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8:02 AM
Ow. Just read that google translation. Pwetty bad :)
 
fuckshitballs I'm sleepy
 
There are things to manage that. Biorhythm and just general discipline come to mind
I know - I don't have either
 
more relevantly, I can't convince myself to sleep without applying for these jobs
but I've got writers block on all these covering letters
plus my CV is a giant pile of shibboleet
maybe I should just stop trying to write custom covering letters
 
> Hij erkende zich te hebben gebaseerd op verouderd onderzoek, dat uitwees dat vrouwen hoogst zelden zwanger worden na verkrachting. Nieuwer onderzoek heeft aangetoond dat er geen verschil is met vrijwillige gemeenschap. news
 
I need to reconstruct a Packet structure from a broadcast message seen in wireshark
 
8:07 AM
> He did admit that he based his statements on dated research, that concluded that women rarely got pregnant after rape. More recent research has shown there to be no difference compared to consensual intercourse
@NeelBasu Talk to @daknøk :)
@NeelBasu Who knows? Also: edit fail :)
 
@sehe who is that ?
 
@NeelBasu I think tcpdump/libpcap (and therefore Wireshark) has a binary logging mode in which the raw packets are just available
 
@NeelBasu That is me, you fool.
 
@sehe but how would I understand what the packet structure is from the hex ?
 
LOL
 
8:09 AM
@NeelBasu convert it back to octets
 
@daknøk how ?
 
@NeelBasu ?! binary != hex. Also: define 'packet structure'. Perhaps you mean protocol layers?
 
you guys didn't plonk him yet?
 
Should I? Hadn't noticed any gross misbehaviour yet
 
@NeelBasu 00 is 0, 01 is 1, FF is 255, etc
 
8:09 AM
yes
 
each octet is represented by two hex digits
 
@DeadMG you should force your self to stay awake until a sensible time to go to sleep tonight, in a vain effort at resetting your sleep patterns, that and our amusement
 
@daknøk The packet have 32 bytes of data
 
@NeelBasu yeah so?
 
8:10 AM
Now do I need to convert them all manually ?
 
more like exclusively your amusement
 
loop over each pair of hex digits and convert them to octets
it ain't rocket science
32 octets is 16 hex digits
 
@DeadMG He is sufficiently bored :)
 
@sehe what is this fountain of knowledge you have unearthed?
 
@thecoshman I dunno. I only posted a link
 
8:11 AM
@NeelBasu Write a script to do that.
 
@daknøk No My problem is say there is 6 bytes. and I parse it as first 4 bytes int and next 2 bytes as char[2]. which will be different from first 2 bytes short and next 4 bytes int.
 
In Python it is trivial.
 
@thecoshman But: congratulations on a chat message without typo's, yet with 3 'difficult' words :) Yay
3
 
@NeelBasu ohhh
[[packed]]
struct foo {
    uint32_t bytes;
    uint8_t[2] foobar;
};
 
@sehe oh you
 
8:12 AM
And then some memcpy magic.
Not the best way to do it, probably, but well.
 
@daknøk std::copy, nub.
 
Whatever.
 
@daknøk So I need to parse it in different traits. and see What is meaningfull. and I think I need to try all possible permutations. Is there any shortcuts to do that ?
 
Could someone head over here and find to wall paper and re-host it on imgur so I can get it at work? Stupid filters
 
@NeelBasu I highly recommend Boost Spirit binary parsers: Binary Big Endianness Parsers
 
8:14 AM
@sehe I've been asked to report what the structure is. They didn't ask me to develop anything
 
@NeelBasu they want to reverse engineer the packet format?
 
@thecoshman le effort
 
@thecoshman Yep ;) and gave me an one hour deadline.
 
@sehe but le effort!
 
8:15 AM
@thecoshman The hotlink will disappear 3:00am CEST
 
@sehe thanks
@sehe CEST is GMT + 1 right?
 
Yup. In this astronomical season
 
Huzzar :D
@sehe ¬_¬ cryptic...
 
Huzzah ^ FTFY
@thecoshman Also, not entirely accurate: rmg.co.uk/explore/astronomy-and-time/time-facts/the-seasons
 
fuckshitballs I just wrote the shittiest covering letter ever.
but hey, one down, three to go
 
8:17 AM
@sehe I'm a pirate, I get to say it that way :P
@DeadMG if you write a shit covering letter, you may as save everyones time and not send it
 
no way
 
@DeadMG Way to go! See, just detach from it if it blocks you. A cover letter actually sent beats the crap of an imaginary better-written cover letter.
 
hey, it could have been way worse.
 
@DeadMG silly question you may say, but what is the first month of Winter?
 
@thecoshman fuckshitballs
 
8:19 AM
How can I convert ff ea 06 00 to int32. is there any online tool ?
 
@thecoshman ?! not true. Just make it no-nonsense. No need to blandulate and adulate. It might even be appreciated
 
@thecoshman probably November.
 
@sehe I think there's a difference between "no-nonsense" and "shit"
 
september and october have an annoying habit of being fuckshitballs hot on occasion.
 
@thecoshman Are you trying to trick us. Suyrely GOOGLE isn't blocked by your sucky company firewall/application proxy
 
8:20 AM
@sehe indeed, it;s always worth trying the '(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻' approach
 
sbi
@sehe Of course, personal threats are always bad. On the subject, however:
 
@jalf I know that. Why assume that the puppy writes shit?
 
sbi
Even if only one woman in a million having been raped had to have a child from that rape against her will, then that would be one woman in a million too much. The sheer idea of forcing women to carry out unwanted pregnancy strikes me as absurd to the point that I cannot imagine those men (and it's usually men insisting on this!) ever having had an eye-to-eye partnership with any woman.
 
@sbi Have a fuckin' star.
 
Ah you see, I was under the impression that December is considered the first month of winter
 
8:21 AM
@thecoshman The first month of winter is the first month where it's too fuckin' cold to wake up.
 
You guys are still talking about this?
 
sbi
@DeadMG A fucking star, huh? How appropriate! (I consent, though, in case anyone is wondering.)
 
naming an arbitrary month is quite pointless
 
@sbi You know, I (obviously?) agree. But you should be allowed to say otherwise. I mean, we have Geert Wilders on the other end, for christ's-fucking-sake (pardon me)
 
winter is when it's cold.
 
8:22 AM
@DeadMG This
 
@sbi No. It's a fuckin' star, not a fucking star.
 
@DeadMG At least, for a few more years to come
 
@DeadMG there are set months that are considered to be of each season
 
@thecoshman Only if you're an idiot.
what the fuck you gonna do if you ever visit the opposite hemisphere, for example?
 
I think they should come up with a better calendar
 
metric system of a calendar
 
oh hey guys, it's June, the first month of summer! Lovely snow, ice, and shit we're having.
 
@sehe why thank you :P
 
number of days it takes to revolve around the sun is a bad metric
 
Hey, my daughter already noticed that when I visualized the annual and circadian movements of earth vs sun
 
sbi
8:24 AM
@sehe I already said "of course". You should certainly be able to say almost[1] anything you could come up with and you should not be physically threatened. Being laughed at, of course, is a different matter... [1]In Germany, you are forbidden to say things like that the holocaust hadn't happened. I agree with that restriction on free speech.
 
pff
 
@sbi Forbidden as in taboo or forbidden as in against the law?
 
IMO, you should only be banned from denying the Holocaust if you're also banned from saying all sorts of other stupid shit, like that we should ban gay marriage.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Then I do not consent. If you're fucking a star, at least have the decency to do it thoroughly.
 
@sbi Me too. But I think in this case it is a bit much that a competing political party (PvdA) has actually demanded apologies in parliament. That happened, for real
 
sbi
8:26 AM
@Neil There's laws against it.
 
@sbi I honestly had no idea
Muslims do that all the time though
 
@sbi precisely the point. If we can bother to have jurisprudence, I think we should bother to either (a) uphold it or (b) change that
 
@sehe People should only apologize for shit they did. I'm pretty sure everybody who arranged the Holocaust is dead now- or at least, not in Parliament.
 
In arabic countries, most don't even teach about the Holocaust
 
Yeah, it seems like in the UK, they say that as the Winter solstice is December, winter starts December 1st, where as Ireland says the solstice sits in the middle, and so November is the start of winter
 
8:28 AM
@thecoshman They're both idiots.
what more definition of winter could anyone want or need than "When it's really cold"?
 
@DeadMG we can't have winter ever other weekend
 
why not?
 
sbi
@Neil Those laws were put into place after WWII, and given Germany's role in that, and the fact that they killed millions of Jews, I somewhat agree. They are usually invoked to prevent (new) Nazis from spreading their propaganda.
 
@DeadMG Mmm. I can't say I fully agree. I certainly wish to apologize for things I didn't personally do. I'm humble enough to realize that my actions are in part shaped by the culture in which I was raised, and my actions/beliefs will in turn shape actions of others. By acknowledging that by way of apologizing on behalf of 'your group', you can certainly influence the opinions and future actions of others (in or outside 'your group')
 
@sbi If I was the German government, I'd let them deny the Holocaust. No more effective way to prove how extremely stupid the are.
 
8:30 AM
@sbi I see the reason behind it, but I don't see that as a risk, it's more like a mark to remind everyone about what a bad country Germany had been
There's more risk that America turns to Fascism than Germany
 
@sehe Part isn't enough. Especially when you consider the massive cultural differences between 2012 and 1938. Personal responsibility runs both ways- you can't be responsible for shit you weren't even alive when it happened.
 
@DeadMG If your strategy is to encourage humans to prove how stupid they are, you'll inevitably find that they are more stupid than anticipated. I think the very function of civilization is to encourage people to try to act less stupid than comes natural (by levering history, consensus - basically shard brains)
@DeadMG But you can still acknowledge that what happened was bad and you regret it
 
I hope you guys will stop punishing yourselves and allow free speech in its entirety. Free speech is not the problem, just a symptom
 
@sbi I like the idea of a law saying "you can't deny things that we have evidence for happening, have seen happen, can provide very sound explanations that mean it must have happened"
 
@sehe There's a big difference between that and an apology.
besides
 
8:33 AM
@DeadMG Ok, call it what you will, but your statement seemed to me to point to the other extreme :)
 
I might be alone in this view, and I haven't spent very long thinking about it, but I think that WW2 was a completely necessary evil
 
@DeadMG War is probably inevitable, if that's what you are getting at.
 
@sehe When you apologize, that means "I should have acted in some other way". When you didn't act, it fundamentally doesn't make sense.
 
A bit like arguments in any relationship
 
@sehe Something like that.
 
8:34 AM
@DeadMG It was a bit of a watershed I will grant you that
 
I was also going to draw analogies to things like immune systems and whatnot.
 
Does not mean it was a desirable way for humans to awaken as better people
 
sbi
@Neil I dunno. Just this weekend, there was a big event in Rostock, a city at the coast of the Baltic Sea in what used to be Eastern Germans, commemorating an event 20 years ago, when a nazi mob, cheered by common citizens, burnt down a house sheltering Vietnamese asylum-seeker.
 
@DeadMG Well, then by definition, you can't apologize for actions of others (unless you facilitated)
 
sbi
As everywhere, in Germany, too, there's a tendency to blame others for your own misery and hate them for it. Only that in Germany there's such a history to root your hate in. I'd rather this country put a strong lid on that.
 
8:35 AM
@sehe Which is exactly fine and appropriate as far as I'm concerned, and a perfectly reasonable consequence.
 
@sbi Well then your law doesn't do anything, does it?
 
@sbi The problem with emotions is, that putting a lid on them only (a) hides them (b) postpones the eruption
 
@sbi Failing to take responsibility for your own failings is not a German problem. It seems to be human nature to blame others
 
@thecoshman No, it doesn't. But I do think that those events were both inevitable and necessary, and I don't think we'd be better off if WW2 never happened.
 
sbi
@thecoshman In general, I disapprove of such a law. We have sound evidence for Einstein's theories to be true, after all — yet, if someone comes across with a diverging opinion, we shouldn't deny them the opinion to say so in public.
@sehe Exactly my thought to @Dead's statement.
 
8:37 AM
@DeadMG The events that lead up to WW one and two are far to long running to really be able to say they were inevitable
 
Ku Klux Klan rallies still happen in the united states, in particular in the south
 
@sbi My point is, I'd rather concentrate on ways to 'combat' the emotion: try to change perception (most often achieved by serving more facts). Of course, in the mean time, you will want to 'contain' the harmful emotions, because history tells us they can be highly contagious (especially in adverse times)
 
@thecoshman Not really. It was a fundamental culture.
those specific politics in those specific times aren't really important
 
They have a right to free speech, and even though they've had a bad history, you cannot deny them the right to march down the street
 
sbi
@Neil There, the state has simply failed for reasons not fully understood. However, that was the executive having failed. That doesn't necessarily make the legislature wrong.
 
8:38 AM
what's important is that prior to WW1 and WW2 the industrialised nations viewed war as almost cheap
 
However, if you prevent it, it would only serve to make it go underground
 
throw away a few of the working class in return for a nice economy stimulation? sounds good
 
@sbi I was thinking more along the lines of people not being to able to our right lie
 
and they were very intolerant and short-sighted
for example
consider the reparations in the Treaty of Versailles
 
@sbi I think that makes the legislature wrong if it cannot be executed
 
sbi
8:39 AM
@sehe That is true for real wide-spread emotions and opinions. For extreme positions held by a few people, however, putting a lid on it tends to decrease the spread.
 
Xeo
@sehe not at all, my internet was suddenly cut off :s
 
the utter failure of that treaty is one of the most important lessons that era has to offer
 
War, as I see it, is the release of tensions between nations, like an earthquake is the release of tension between two plates.
 
Hitler's entire political power was built around the fact that the Allies virtually tried to enslave the German people, if I recall correctly.
 
sbi
@thecoshman I said it's not. It's just that in Germany, idiots have that history to root their hate in. It's a full-fledged, in some way consistent believe system, that's been proven to work. In other countries, extremists first have to come up with such a thing.
 
8:41 AM
@sbi Ok. The risk in that is that, if it goes underground it can be hard to recognize the growth. This might - I feel - be one of the most common ways in which civilized nations may come to the point of war.
 
@DeadMG yeah, making people resentful and desperate is always a great way to cause trouble further down the line
 
and look whats happened now
US invades Muslim states. Surprise- Al Qaeda gets a bunch of new recruits.
 
The way to prevent war would require all major countries coming together
 
@sbi In that respect I very much encourage the 'extreme' movements to organize themselves as publicly visible, accepted political parties. Once you start forbidding it, you run the risk under-appreciating a sentiment - and consequently fail to address it
 
There's the UN, but that's a joke by comparison to what I'm talking about
 
8:42 AM
@Neil Nah. They just need perspective.
 
sbi
@sehe I do believe Germany is still spending more efforts on educating people about Nazism and what it did than on putting a lid on those immune to education. (Of course, it's not enough education, but it can never be enough anyway.) However, as you said, fighting the root of the evil doesn't mean you should let it spread while you're digging.
 
by that what I mean is that compared to the two wars which followed, the 9/11 attacks are a piss in the ocean.
 
I mean if someone wants to commit war against a country in this world union, all other countries would put a trade embargo against that country for years after the war
 
@sehe And once you make it visible and accepted, you also run the risk of failing to address it
 
and from what I understand, Osama's primary motivation was how the CIA had attempted to topple governments or somesuch
 
8:44 AM
It seems a bit naive to sit here and tell Germany how they should tackle nazism. ;)
 
Countries should be punished for starting a war, and the mere amount of economical pressure would mean no country would start a war if they had their people in mind
 
@Neil They wouldn't anyway, if they had their people in mind.
 
Unfortunately there's no setback for starting a war, aside from nasty glances.
 
the problem is that they don't, they just want to get re-elected
or they're Neanderthals, like Bush
 
@DeadMG That's already the case, but at least maybe that way it would be a lot harder for dictators to convince their people that 20 years of economical turmoil and suffering is worth killing some of their guys
 
8:45 AM
when you consider the costs to the US of their response to 9/11, it's been massive and far worse than several 9/11s.
 
sbi
@thecoshman But what is a "lie"? It's a statement that is false according to your believe system. There is no objective truth, there's only subjective truths. So there can be no objective lie, only subjective ones. (To a Fascist state rooted in German Nazism, claiming the Nazis are responsible for the death of dozens of millions of people would be an obvious lie.)
 
@Neil Eh. Those people have to find their own ways out.
you can't invade somewhere and declare it free and walk away
 
sbi
@Neil But it can, and it is executed. The simple fact that a failure 20 years ago is still making such a stir (our president went there to give a speech) shows that this is an exception that's not acceptable to the majority of the society.
 
their fundamental society has to improve itself, and until it does, they won't be anything but military dictatorships
 
@sbi Yup. In holland too. Good news is that we start to acknowledge more how many Dutch people actively/passively participated. The bad news is, that young people seem to forget about that stuff as soon as they leave school
 
8:47 AM
Before war can end, the people of that country can't want war, and before that happens, they must have strong incentive not to go to war (it's not enough war in of itself, strangely enough)
 
that'll just be time and economics
 
@jalf But at least you continuously give as many critical thinkers as possible a chance to correct for that. I know there are no guarantees. Well, we can only guarantee things will go wrong, as history amply demonstrates
 
@sbi The tact is wrong. The people must change their beliefs. Without that, all you have are laws which are half-heartedly fulfilled
Just look at how Italians drive.. there are laws in place to prevent such driving, but it is not enforced and nobody cares.. so why have the laws?
 
@sehe but you also give as many non-critical thinkers as possible the chance to listen in and go "hey, this sounds like a cool ideology". But yeah, it's all what-ifs... Hard to say what would work out best in reality
 
The Italian drivers have to want to drive safer
 
sbi
8:49 AM
@sehe Yeah, that is a true danger, and, in fact, Germany has just learned that this has actually happened. A year ago, nobody would have known what NSU stands for — now we know they have killed half a dozen people. The failings of the executive in this one are hilarious, and, of course, not enough is done to change the system that allowed this. Yet, things are done.
 
@jalf The problem is that critical thinking is not sufficiently rewarded in our existing societal structures, especially for children.
 
@jalf Yup. And if the majority of people have a brain malfunction, than objectively, that isn't a brain malfunction anymore. Sadly, Darwinism will have the final say, putting it really abruptly
 
@sbi I'm sure the number of people in the NSU is comparatively proportional to the number of skinheads in America
I don't think it's possible to entirely root out such mentality anywhere
 
sbi
@sehe An important example for this are Nazi parties like the NPD. Their cadre, appearing all snappy and with tied, behind the scenes support the Nazi thugs and bruisers.
 
It makes no difference that it's Germany
 
8:51 AM
@sbi We have unbelievable stuff happen in the Netherlands. You don't need to have an obviously bloody local history for that
 
sbi
9 mins ago, by sbi
@sehe I do believe Germany is still spending more efforts on educating people about Nazism and what it did than on putting a lid on those immune to education. (Of course, it's not enough education, but it can never be enough anyway.) However, as you said, fighting the root of the evil doesn't mean you should let it spread while you're digging.
@Neil No, it isn't. They were three, two of which killed each other.
 
what the eff
 
sbi
@sehe You have a colonial history to watch for instead.
 
now gcc is just screwing with me
 
@sbi So does most of Europe.
 
8:54 AM
"illegal instruction" on equaliity testing of a char against a char literal
 
Xeo
Hmm... does anybody here have a link on how to protect oneself from packet sniffing / editing? :)
 
@DeadMG Very true.
 
@sbi Well I meant in a broader sense, not just the NSU
 
sbi
@DeadMG Actually, that's a very Western POV. It's the British, Dutch, French, Spanish, and Portuguese. The rest of Europe never had any colonies to write home about.
 
@Xeo Aren't they encrypted by default?
 
8:54 AM
@Xeo encryption? :p
 
@sbi Didn't the Italians have a few?
 
@sbi Hey, we had a few!
 
sbi
@Neil That, of course, is true — in general. There are areas, however...
 
... encryption :) HMACs all the way
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Even then they might be edited. I remember a simple encryption used for private WoW servers where they just swapped pairs of bytes
 
8:55 AM
I just had to change something in the Windows registry. I think I am going away for a while; I need some rest.
 
a few islands somewhere, which subsequently got sold to the US...
 
I think a more interesting thought, is what would it have been like in the Nazis had claimed all of Europe for there own. Sure they would have killed off all the Jews, and then probably turned on a few of minorities. But in a united Europe, 'properly' rules by one government, how prosperous would the new 'regime' be
 
sbi
@DeadMG Nothing to write home about, though. /cc @jalf
 
@DeadMG They have had colonies in Africa
 
@Xeo Then VPN.
@jalf oic
 
8:56 AM
@Xeo HMAC - guards against alteration
 
also Iceland, but not sure if they technically qualified as a colony or if the relationship was something else
 
sbi
Even Germany had an African colony. Nothing to write home about, though.
 
@sbi it would be if your where there :P
 
Some would probably say Greenland is our colony today, even
 
@jalf Like the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.
those have some seriously strange relationships with the British mainland.
 
8:56 AM
@sbi Is that a saying in English? I'd have sworn it was Dutch specifc. Apparently, at least also applies in German...
 
sbi
@thecoshman Yeah, of course. But compared to the real global colonial players, we were nothing. (Not that I'd resent that.)
 
@jalf I wonder whether Greece will become a colony of China
 
We do generally have a bit of a colonial attitude towards Greenland, at least :/
 
sbi
@sehe It's not a German expression, no. I learned it from Merkians.
 
@sehe It's somewhat American, I think.
but not unknown here in England
@sbi Well, I of course am hardly from the innocent nation here. The British Empire was the biggest in history.
but also the one that disbanded the most peacefully
 
8:59 AM
@sbi English too
 
@thecoshman Not as far as I'm aware.
 
@DeadMG depends where you look I would say
 
maybe
 

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