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7:00 PM
You can experiment with distinct features.
 
It's a damn pastebin. It stores text.
 
Well, experimentation is when you can take it in a totally different direction. Say, a game. You can invent a genre. What can you do with pastebin?
The best you can do is store the text in a structure that forms a helix in memory.
 
I can write pastebin in under an hour, but hell if I'm going to like it.
Also, since life is boring, we need more things to kill the boredom. Like games.
Screw pastebins.
 
Opinions on this code:
Whoa, calm down github: gist.github.com/3111288
 
Life is boring, huh? Your life is different from mine.
@sehe It's PHP code so it sucks.
 
7:02 PM
It's a PHP code.
 
Ok, we've routed out the answers of people who don't bother to read :)
 
I need graph paper to design my GUIs…
I only have lined paper and blank paper.
 
I just checked out that PHP snippet and I honestly need to go take a dump.
3
 
@RadekSlupik I mean, if you're not creative enough to add pleasure for yourself, you're not getting anywhere anyway
 
7:04 PM
@RadekSlupik Sounds like a droll experiment in PS + lpr
Have it generated by 5 lines of postscript :)
 
@sehe I design my GUIs on paper; much easier to work with.
 
@RadekSlupik Yeah. Reading comprehension is desired
I meant: print graph paper using PS. Chance to be creative
 
ooh :P
Just buying graph paper would be cheaper.
 
2 mins ago, by Radek Slupik
I only have lined paper and blank paper.
 
I have graph paper but the squares are one square centimeter; I need 0.25 square centimeters.
 
7:06 PM
^ AFAIK stationary shops are closed on Sunday
 
I know, that's fucked up.
bol.com maybe xD
 
47 secs ago, by sehe
Or, just http://www.printfreegraphpaper.com/
 
@sehe The person who set the default to inches must die painfully.
 
ahahah/ impatience, the hallmark of the lazy programmer
 
Meh, wasting ink.
I'll just buy a Moleskine soon.
 
7:08 PM
That doesn't mean what you wanted. 'Wasting' ink
 
@sehe Shhhht, I just like Dunglish.
Hmm, let's see if I can find €15.00 somewhere…
And a place to buy those things. XD
 
@DomagojPandža If there is a causal relation there, you really need to toughen up. I thought the code is quite ok. Quite a-typical, in a way. Still readable. Not much worse than the equivalent C++ (in fact, it'd be hard to get so succinct).
Full disclosure: it is by @NikiC from the neighbouring lounge. (Edit that was already quite apparent from the github nickname)
 
$target->send(['start', [$name, $attributes]]);
Does PHP support freaking [a, b, c] syntax for creating arrays? :D
That's awesome.
array(a, b, c) is so verbose.
 
it does in 5.4
 
So, I just opened a new tab to go to Stack Overflow, click chat and go to Lounge<C++>…
 
7:13 PM
Did I hear my name?
 
@RadekSlupik Happens to me a lot.
 
@RadekSlupik Useful. Creative. It's almost like a Lego Pastebin
@NikiC Possible
 
@sehe What? Are you replying to the wrong message?
 
o.o
 
@RadekSlupik Nope
 
7:14 PM
I have satay-flavoured crisps.
@sehe Then once again, I don't get your sentence.
 
@sehe I can't quite figure our what you're talking about there
 
@NikiC Use the force
 
o.o
 
@RadekSlupik Going back to come into chat from another tab is both Useless and Uncreative.
 
@sehe That's so brutal!
@sehe Stuff isn't uncreative, people are.
Also, sehe, I used Inkscape today.
 
7:16 PM
It just so happened we had discussions in this room about being uncreative (think Pastebin programming) and being useless (specifically how Lego castles are in fact, not very useful). I just combined the too ephemeral memes into one condensed local contemporal meme reference:
3 mins ago, by sehe
@RadekSlupik Useful. Creative. It's almost like a Lego Pastebin
 
You like Inkscape, huh?
 
@RadekSlupik It's ok. I find it to be excessively slow, but the features are neat
 
@sehe Ah, now I got it. You found my awesome coroutine code
 
Inkscape has the worst UI ever.
 
See, that's something C++ doesn't have :P
 
7:17 PM
@NikiC Mind the word order. Yes
@NikiC Wrong. Of course. But yeah, coroutines are a kludge in C++
 
Wanna change the direction of a gradient? I need fucking shortcuts for that. It's like using Vim or Emacs.
Not even a control in the fill and stroke panel.
 
@RadekSlupik Agreed. I like GIMP's UI better. And that says it all, I guess
 
lol GIMP
Fuck paper, I'll just design the GUI on my computer.
 
@RadekSlupik No, just show the 'property dialogs'. Of which there are a few, enough to get (very) lost, but once you have them nicely spread around your twin-monitor setup, it's ok (for me)
 
Then comes the per-window menubar. XD
Stupid X11 applications.
 
7:20 PM
It seems that I cannot use [] on a const unodered_map
why?
 
Because [] creates a new element if the key is nonexistent. You cannot do that on a const map.
It doesn't do bounds checking.
 
@Nils Because it is const ?
 
void f(const unordered_map<int, int>& bitch) { int a& = 3; const int b = bitch[a]; }
 
You need to use .at(), which throws if the key doesn't exist.
 
@RadekSlupik Obviously. Or, just use a WACOM style tablet and Pencil or MyPaint. Takes the bisquit for artist impressions.
 
7:21 PM
ah of course
thx @RadekSlupik
 
No problemo.
@sehe Tablets are kind of cumbersome to use to design GUIs, which almost completely consist of straight lines.
 
Wacom > paper for me, since I'm not so good at drawing. However, software has undo and unlimited retouche :)
 
Ha undo! That's evil.
 
@RadekSlupik Well, I don't mind since my sketch doesn't have to be photorealistic.
 
Having the possibility to undo doesn't force you to think before doing something.
That's the main reason I like markers and paper.
No need to carry a computer at all times, either.
 
7:27 PM
I just threw $55 EUR
at blizzard, bought WoW
need to relax, hah.
 
@RadekSlupik that's just GIMP for ya.
 
@DomagojPandža 55 dollars euros?
 
Ahahah, damn habit.
€*
without EUR
 
^ Tablet make me think I can draw (which, in real life, I can't)
Also, WTF, 3Mb for a fragment of my drawing :)
 
That's actually nice. :D
 
7:32 PM
@DomagojPandža I was surprised too. Bought a tablet on a whim (Aldi) and installed MyPaint. My kids love it too.
 
@RadekSlupik yes, it's enabled from php version 5.4
don't ask me why I know this..
 
@refp rep whoring is a valid excuse
 
@sehe I'm interested in many languages, but it's true that I'm a rep-whore in disguise.. but that's not why I know what I know. I have a thing for learning.. well, pretty much everything I can, no matter the subject
I guess I have a lite form of autism or something
 
@refp That's a good attitude. Except for your attitude towards multiple displays. :P
 
@refp I know what you mean. See e.g. stackoverflow.com/questions/7616420/…
 
7:35 PM
@sehe you can't imagine how hard it is to resist editing that post and format it in a nicer way..
 
@refp Oh yes I can :) But, be my guest
 
I just love the lounge, so many diverse people.
And game development hating vacuum cleaners. :P
 
Meh, I suck at designing GUIs…
 
wow that's dull.
where's the CoverFlow?
 
@RadekSlupik GUIs are for people who can't read
 
7:37 PM
@rubenvb it's an impression
 
My task manager doesn't need Cover Flow.
 
You need to cut back on the borders, add some patterns to add detail and variance.
 
@rubenvb It's not the final GUI. :P
 
@RadekSlupik of course it does! Slide all the things!
 
It's a sketch.
 
7:38 PM
Also, change your color scheme.
Dark orange and black talk nicely.
 
12 secs ago, by Radek Slupik
It's a sketch.
 
@refp I also did a fair bit of Excel VBA cruft (example, other) and worse stuff that I've forgotten about
 
White and blue also.
 
lol
 
It already is white and blue.
 
7:38 PM
That's not white and blue :P
 
lose the margins.
 
31 secs ago, by Radek Slupik
12 secs ago, by Radek Slupik
It's a sketch.
 
waste of space
you're quoting yourself quoting yourself
 
@sehe in high-school me and a fellow classmate wrote a super mario clone (where each cell was a pixel), that was.. a lot of work
 
@refp I tend to use this to 'learn' new stuff on the horizon:
 
7:39 PM
Just sayin'
 
I know. :P
 
especially since we weren't that experienced with this whole programming thingie back then
 
@refp you mean, in Excel Lotus 1-2-3?
 
The GUI design looks like a cartoon right now.
 
@sehe oh, Excel (VBA) can't believe I didn't write just that one thing.. it was the only thing that was going through my mind when writing the previous message
 
7:41 PM
@refp You must have accidentally mixed the edit/upvote buttons there, mate :)
 
@RadekSlupik GUIs are for people who can't read!
@sehe hmm, where?
 
@refp That's usually the exact reason to forget mentioning it. If the context is so obvious (bias) you feel no need to mention it
 
@sehe the previous answer you linked? nope, I would definitely not up-vote that one
 
@refp Oh good. Someone else must have been deluded :)
 
blargh, time to get something to eat.. and I need to find another addiction to serve as a substitute for not smoking anymore. What do you guys know about heroin?
 
7:43 PM
@refp GUIs are for people who want to use their smartphone quickly.
 
Time to take a shower. Damn, I'm tired.
'night everyone. <3
 
@RadekSlupik shyssch.
 
guys and guis
it matches!
 
Yuck, that's gooey
 
7:44 PM
lol
 
goohai
 
what's going on in here?
 
She doesn't exist, usually. She's just a normal person.
Also, I heartily recommend sex
 
@TonyTheLion GUIs
 
thiefs stole color and a ladder out of my basement
 
7:45 PM
owned
 
It's your own fault.
 
@RadekSlupik phoetal GUIs in fact
 
You should have protected your basement.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb color?
 
7:45 PM
Probably paint.
 
@RadekSlupik Could be worse.
@RadekSlupik Farbe. Makes sense
 
@sehe heroin?
 
Or wait, in Germany everything is grayscale, as I know from movies.
Not that gray ain't a color.
 
@RadekSlupik No, red sometimes sticks on the screen
 
7:46 PM
Don't you just love it when your debug output discovers some trivial bug that will later hurt you bad, you see that you actually already designed the stuff to handle it and a trivial change fixes the problem?
I do.
 
GUI's require a mouse, and that requires moving your hand away from the keyboard, and that generally sucks
 
@TonyTheLion gui's doesn't require a mouse.
 
@TonyTheLion GUIs have keyboard shortcuts.
 
I don't know those all by heart
 
some gui's do (most of them for that matter), but it isn't part of the definition of a "GUI"
 
7:47 PM
@refp Damn. Confused with Heroine. Blame it on the language barrier
 
@TonyTheLion That's the programmer's line of thinking... The secretary one's is different
 
@sehe well, I asked what you guys knew about heroin.. really need to quit smoking
 
probably true, but since we're all programmers, I give no fucks about secretaries
 
when you reach your daily rep-cap, that's when you really start digging into questions (more specifically your answer) - since at this time all you can benefit from are accepts, and the answer must be much better than the rest so that it isn't a waste of time
the only problem is finding a question which you actually find interesting enough to spend some time with.
 
7:50 PM
@refp you take SO waaaaay too seriously.
 
@rubenvb I'm at home, sick.. what else is there for me to do? I either spend time on SO, try to work on one of my projects (though the fever isn't exactly helping my thinking patterns right now) or go out pretending I'm not sick, drink way too much and then I'll probably wake up at some random gals house with a half eaten cucumber in my hand (it has happened)
 
I have an unordered_map and want to put the key entries into a vector sorted by the values.
 
@refp the random gal's house sounds A LOT better than SO.
or watch some TV show or movie.
 
@rubenvb I'm just trying to put my body first this time, I look quite worn out as it is
 
@refp How did @rubenvb end up with such a recent picture of you, then?
 
7:55 PM
@sehe I think you will have to ask him that.
 
Why yes, I am running the new Jelly Bean, thank you for asking.
 
@sehe I believe @refp's Google privacy settings are too loose.
@Cicada Fuck you. My barely two-year-old HTC Legend can barely cope with ICS.
@Cicada and hi btw.
 
Sure, I will then proceed. Jelly Bean is so smooth and fast and overall butter than ICS.
Hi also.
 
how me and my friends usually spend our time (me to the far right), two drinks in each hand at every "fashion event" we have time going to
 
MUST BE SOOOOO FUN!!
 
7:58 PM
it's free, people get wasted.. and that's pretty much it
 
Can't wait to try this.
 
@Cicada always nice to hang out with friends, though.. but you get my current mood
 
Who's that nigger on the right btw.
 
lol
 
@refp so you go actually out?
 
7:59 PM
@Nils I work as a model, of course I go out.. that's mandatory, party too hard and thank make-up the day after! ;)
 
@Cicada what Jelly Bean?
 
and photoshop..
 
@refp nice so you have a job where you don't have to use your brain :)
 
@Nils Android Jelly Bean ofc! Version 4.1 My Nexus updated itself today.
 

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