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1:01 AM
@sehe excuse me, the PICO text editor, nano is one that emulates that :s
 
There's a "bin" for chat?
 
@Hoxieboy both very meh. Use vim
 
emacs
 
@SethCarnegie potentially...
 
@sehe XD I don't use them (well, anymore anyways D:) but I was just wondering if you knew of them
 
1:02 AM
But not pico, nano, joe or them lot
 
@Insilico Yes, and it serves excellently for... well, for binning things.
 
@sehe I'm using code::blocks now
 
It will give you a welldeserved peace of mind to know that I do.
And I don't like them.
 
;) I use notepad++ for text and minor programs?
 
@Hoxieboy notepad++ sucks less
@Hoxieboy erm, did what come from?
 
1:05 AM
@sehe the main thing I like about notepad++ is it has essentially syntax highlighting for every major language :D
@sehe that D that was there, I deleted it off of use :P sorry
god it happened again
 
@Hoxieboy all major editors have that
 
@sehe yeah, but don't you have to install a plugin or something?
 
@Hoxieboy not with proper editors. vim and emacs come laden with syntax definitions. It is just the proprietary IDEs that feel the need to limit
 
We humans are doomed not to know. If you spend 18 hours learning, you can read only 300 pages, which is one book. If you adopt even 1/3 of it, you will eventually forget half of it for 10 days ( short long memory ). In that process, your brain is focused only to studying, therefore size of the brain power starts to devalue, and neurons commit high inter charge bonds, making our state of mind to remember even lesser ....
 
@DzekTrek That's what Wikipedia is for. Duh.
 
1:07 AM
@DzekTrek I think you made more sense when you were defending singletons
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But I once liked reading a books. :( @DeadMG Indeed. +* for it .@sehe
 
@sehe: You can customize syntax highlighting in Visual Studio (stackoverflow.com/questions/115388/…)
 
I like Sublime Text 2 much better than NP++
 
storing information in the human brain is rapidly becoming highly irrelevant
 
@Insilico Yeah. The point was 'out-of-box' support
 
1:08 AM
the only things we need to remember are the things we can't store on a hard drive
 
Ah. I see.
I'd much rather people know how to solve problems than memorizing a bunch of stuff
 
like feelings? @DeadMG
 
@DeadMG lol why is that statement so true nowadays?
 
@DzekTrek Why would I care about storing feelings?
@Hoxieboy Probably because of the vast quantity of readily-available virtually perfect external storage.
 
you said things that can't be stored on hd, so first reference to that matter for me are feelings, and I replied with it.
 
1:09 AM
:)
 
@DzekTrek Except feelings have no value to anyone else.
if you forget how you feel, then, well, life goes on
the important things to know are things like scientific data
 
That just doesn't make any sense.
 
@DeadMG one problem though however, is eventually, any electronic storage (modern day) will one day lose charge and wipe themselves, thats what is bad :P
 
@Hoxieboy It's trivial to copy the data before that happens, though.
 
if you forget the pin code for your credit card, life goes on too. If you forget how to program, life goes on. If you forget the specific gravity of cheese, life goes on
 
1:11 AM
@DeadMG True, true enough, but what happens when there isnt someone around to copy data?
I guess that would make the data useless then :D
 
@Hoxieboy Then nobody will be around to care if it's stored :P
 
@DeadMG XD exactly
 
DNA seems to have solved that problem a long time ago
 
@Hoxieboy So what was your point, exactly?
 
albeit not perfectly
 
1:12 AM
@DeadMG None really :P
 
Feelings are cognitive engine of our emotional stance, without it for us, humans, everything would be the same, in the matter of weighting cognitive values.
 
@DzekTrek uh... wot?
 
@DzekTrek: That sentence literally made zero sense.
 
Reply on your "Except feelings have no value to anyone else."
 
1:13 AM
... which they don't
 
@DzekTrek I think if people had computers somehow attached to their brains, life would be a bit more intelligent, and give new meanings to the word "virus"
 
@Insilico Evaluate your claim.
 
the things which are important to store is the information on which our society depends, and personal feelings are most definitely not on the list
 
though intelligent loosely used as the ability to calculate at a very high speed
 
@DeadMG a lot of popular books and movies are basically all about other people's feelings. Must have some value to a lot of people
 
1:14 AM
@jalf: And how many of those survive?
 
@jalf Just because people want to read about it doesn't make it valuable.
 
@DeadMG people being willing to pay for it does, however
 
Not to downgrade anyone's opinions or what not, but studies have shown that babies without human feelings being shown to them tend to die for no reason, now the data from those research studies is most useful!
 
that's pretty much the definition of value
 
You can't define feelings as just a tool for emotional stances. Feelings are way more than that, you know. @DeadMG
 
1:15 AM
the only thing that demonstrates is our collective short-sightedness on what's valuable and what isn't, and that subjective value has little correlation with actual value
 
"Babies without human feelings"?
How did they define that?
 
and I'm pretty sure our society depends quite heavily on feelings. Without them, it'd look quite different, for better or worse
 
read again I typo'd
 
but the society we have here and now depends on people having feelings
 
You mean like social standards?
 
1:16 AM
@jalf Correct! I would dare to go even further on it and say that feelings are just an engine that keeps us going.
 
That's not saying much, considering how untrusted the US government is
 
having feelings and recording your feelings in all perpetuity are two different things
but more importantly, I'd happily bet that we'd be better off without them
they're vestigial crap from our evolution, like appendixes
 
If our politicians depended less on feelings and more on logic we wouldn't be in such a huge mess
 
I can't imagine society without feelings. More over, does some sort of without feelings society exist in this vast universe?
 
@Insilico my point being, (yes, I have a point now that you may argue with) if human babies didn't have feelings exposed to them, they would die within a matter of days after being born. The scientific data from the studies of such proves how we should value data against feelings
 
1:18 AM
@Insilico That is only partially to do with feelings, and partly to do with the fact that the electorate usually has no idea wtf they're talking about
 
@DzekTrek: Vulcans seem to get along fine with at least the minimal amount of "feelings" :-)
 
Are we talking about feelings like physical pain or hunger? Because babies definitely have those.
 
@Insilico lies, vulcans aren't humans ha!
XD
 
That's just a TV show. Could you imagine some high-tech society somewhere over there without feelings?
 
@StackedCrooked Not really. Those are only of very short-lived consequence and definitely not on anyone's list of long-term important.
 
1:19 AM
What would our society wait for lets say 100 years, when we get developed enough to rule this part of the galaxy?
 
@DzekTrek: Duh. Note the use of a smiley. :-)
 
@DzekTrek robots
 
Nah, robots also need to be filled with some kind of feelings, otherwise thinking of them wouldn't be possible at all.
 
Join me luke, and together we shall RULE THE GALAXY AS FATHER AND SON!
 
@DzekTrek What on earth makes you think that?
 
1:20 AM
It's like being saying that exist random. You can't tell that randomness exist at all.
 
I'm not sure I see how we'd be better off being coldly logical the whole time. Logically, it might make great sense to steal, but our conscience usually gets in the way. Logically, it makes sense to be a selfish bastard, but most people care about others.
 
@DzekTrek Quantum Mechanics says otherwise.
 
It's all caused by some trigger, but the answer on the question What is trigger remains unspoken.
 
@jalf I disagree with that.
in a logical society, there would be no need for theft in the first place
 
@DeadMG Quantom mechanics is wrong with that for sure.
 
1:21 AM
@DeadMG Why not? Isn't it logical to ensure my prosperity over others?
 
I agree with @DeadMG :)
 
How can be anything random, for everything there must be a cause.
litterally.
 
@jalf That's not in the long-term benefit of anyone.
 
also everyone
 
@DzekTrek Quantum Mechanics is what makes your computer work. I'm pretty sure that it's accurate.
 
1:21 AM
It is in my long-term benefit. Why would I care about anyone elses?
 
I tried being completely 100% logical all the time, it sucked and I am still recovering
 
simply saying: feelings COME from attempting to be logical
 
And is it ever logical to risk your life to save another person?
 
@jalf Because their society is what's going to feed your children.
 
I said QM is wrong with that, not QM is wrong with all.
 
1:22 AM
@jalf: Because we all live together. If I keep stealing from others people will oust me
 
@DeadMG Is it? I can feed them if I'm selfish and greedy enough
 
And I'm more likely to die without being in a group
 
and I am pretty sure that all in the PC is defined by some protocol, i.e. there is no randomness at all.
 
They can feed themselves if they do as me
 
Even for picking up a random number, there must be random generators for it.
 
1:22 AM
@Insilico die from what? You're not a monkey on the savannah, you're human.
 
Am I wrong? if you saw someone with a broken arm, you would logically feel that you need to help them
 
and logically, what is the group's interest in helping you anyway?
 
@DzekTrek nothing is ever truly random
 
@DeadMG Why would you care about your children when you have no feelings?
 
@jalf: Well, do you agree that you are better off as part of a group than as a solitary person?
 
1:23 AM
@jalf And generate your own electricity? Advance your own technology? Manufacture your own drugs?
 
@Hoxieboy radioactive decay is truly random
 
@Hoxieboy correct, that is what I am trying to say all the night.
 
@SethCarnegie radioactive decay depends on the mass of radioactive matter
 
@SethCarnegie don't be sarcastic, we are having some serious talk here. :)
 
and gravity, and air pressure
 
1:24 AM
@DzekTrek A transistor is a deterministic device. Quantum computers, however, are probabilistic.
 
we're loaded up with a lot of behavior and feelings that makes us act in certain ways that's good for humanity as a whole, but suboptimal for the individual. If I rely on pure, cold logic, then I have little reason to care about others, except when it benefits me
 
@Hoxieboy doesn't matter, it's random
 
@SethCarnegie nothing nothing is random
 
just because it's influenced doesn't mean it's ultimately random
 
@DeadMG Hence the theft. I can take it
 
1:24 AM
@jalf Why? If you have no feelings, then you don't care about your own survival either.
 
@Hoxieboy I don't see how you can prove that
or where you're coming from
 
everyone's chance of survival is greatest when society is co-operative
 
@DeadMG but in that case how would you make things work
 
@DeadMG Why not? Or what do I care about? Why would I do anything other than sitting under a tree all day then?
 
lol, you are mixing two crucial concepts here. deteminism with randomness has very few connections in general. @DeadMG
 
1:25 AM
if everything is purely logic, you need a goal, an optimal state to reach, but how can you say something is optimal/best when you have no feelings to decide what is optimal/best
 
we should try to see how many messages we can create arguing about feelings :D
 
Yes, it's really logical to kill myself then
 
@DeadMG Why, if no one cares about the survival of themselves or others, would society cooperate? Why would anyone generate electricity or manufacture drugs?
 
@KillianDS: You don't need a goal. A goal is not a prerequisite for logic to work
 
(by the way everyone, you have feelings if you are arguing about this topic) :3
 
1:26 AM
@Insilico it's a prerequisite for doing anything interesting with logic though
 
@jalf Logically, those which don't feel that it's logical for them to survive will die off, and the rest will survive.
 
What world would be without logic or feelings? What world would it be?
 
@Insilico not for logic itself, but for execution it is
 
being logical = a feeling
 
@DeadMG you said "feel"
 
1:27 AM
@jalf So what? You can feel a fact.
you could replace it with "decide" if you want
 
why would people decide differently, if they base their decision in logic?
Why would person A decide to die, and person B decide to survive?
 
who said the human brain is deterministic?
 
please, look at my code and ctitise it ;)
 
@user1131997 Zdarova druzya.
 
so you'd prefer humans acted randomly than following their feelings?
I thought you wanted logic
 
1:28 AM
Zdrahstvooy kak dee lah? XD
 
it's not going to be random
evolution will take care of it
 
@DeadMG What does "useful" even mean? Useful for what purpose?
 
@Hoxieboy Otkuda ti ? :)
 
@DeadMG Evolution has taken care of it. You're basically reinventing feelings now.
 
@user1131997: The code looks very C like for C++
 
1:29 AM
@DzekTrek Sorry lol I don't speak russian, I'm attempting to learn it but its hard for me :D
 
@jalf A logical decision that I think that the survival of my species is a good thing is a very far cry from love, anger, etc.
 
only know a couple words
 
@DeadMG Why is it logical that the survival of your species is a good thing?
 
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Every action has it's own consequences. What an utter bullshit. So what has caused primal action? It's like a loop, except from which what has first began can't be concluded.
 
1:30 AM
@user1131997: Why not make TT a class and make the functions like AddNode a member of the class?
 
it doesn't have to be, evolution will take care of that
 
Why, logically speaking, is your species particularly important?
@DeadMG ..
 
those species which decide that they can't be bothered to survive won't
 
@DeadMG But you just wanted to remove that which makes us decide to survive
 
@jalf: I don't think anybody here claims that humans are a particularly important species
 
1:31 AM
That is what feelings are
 
@DeadMG but while it is a very basic one, you still have one feeling, one subjective rule: that the survival of your species is important
 
I need to create an iteration program to count how many messages are about logic and the related topics here
 
@jalf A random decision will suffice just as well.
 
Where do you think our feelings come from, if not evolution? They are the behavior that turned out to benefit the survival and propagation of our genes
 
that doesn't make them beneficial anymore
hence why I said that they were vestigial
 
1:32 AM
Saying you want to eliminate feelings, and instead rely on evolution to make us care about survival is nonsensical. Unless you want to get feelings back into the game
 
the only feeling that we, as a species, actually need, is the desire for our own survival and propagation
 
Emotion is a complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences. In humans, emotion fundamentally involves "physiological arousal, expressive behaviors, and conscious experience." Emotion is associated with mood, temperament, personality, disposition, and motivation. Motivations direct and energize behavior, while emotions provide the affective component to motivation, positive or negative. No definitive taxonomy of emotions exists, though numerous taxonomies have been proposed. So...
 
the rest can go on the rubbish heap
 
@DeadMG So, the things that make us want for our species to survive are vestigial, and yet you want evolution to supply us with a trait which makes us want our species to survive?
Seriously, I know you're not that dumb. But you really need to get out more
 
@DeadMG by that you have just included almost every feeling. :)
 
1:33 AM
@DzekTrek Which was my original point.
feelings, in general, no longer serve a useful purpose.
 
@jalf don't insult, he is our pal.
 
What about the feelings that simply make us survive? Say, curiosity has done more to advance our science than the mere "desire to survive" will ever do. Is curiosity an unimportant feeling?
 
please, read everyone
that way we can settle this
 
@jalf Our propagation will be made more effective with more advanced science.
 
retarded (sorry)
chat session
 
1:34 AM
@DeadMG I don't understand you at all. Isn't that motion one of the matters what keeps us for expressing our emotions?
 
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once in a screen's height is enough
 
sorry, trying to get the message through
 
@Hoxieboy I'm clearly not interested in reading it, or I would have done the first time
 
@DeadMG So? How do you advance science through pure logic? All the great advances have come from randomness, imagination, curiosity, people poking around with things that didn't, logically speaking, seem important to the survival of our species, but whose usefulness surprised us
 
@DeadMG this isnt all about you, its about everyone (all)
 
1:36 AM
@Hoxieboy It's not about you either, you're the only one whining to stop this discussion and spamming a wikipedia link to accomplish that
 
How do you determine that feelings are "vestigial"? How do you measure their usefulness?
 
@KillianDS do I care?
 
@jalf So logically, from experience, we would deduce that it's impossible to decide which branches of science provide the most important benefits
 
@jalf: Being purely logical doesn't preclude imagination
 
@KillianDS you clearly noticed it, so why not help
 
1:36 AM
@jalf How about those billions of people starving in Africa and other developing places because the West is too busy painting their kitchens?
what about the contributions they could make to science?
 
@DeadMG What about them?
 
well, don't you think it's pretty fucking stupid and illogical for our society to just not do anything about it?
 
@Insilico Yes it does. It takes time and energy away from other, more productive tasks.
 
we're too busy spending money on killing each other because we're afraid of our neighbours
 
@DeadMG Yes I do. But that was not what I asked
 
1:37 AM
@DeadMG on the contrary, we would achieve factor priority.
 
I asked how you determined that feelings serve no purpose
 
@jalf Well, I think that the utter waste of half our number because of how we feel is a pretty good definition of "useless".
 
@DeadMG well, it's not
 
why don't you guys contribute to science? instead of sitting here chatting about it
 
Because it misses the point entirely
look up the word "useless". It means "has no uses"
 
1:38 AM
@DeadMG Maybe it would be logical to kill 90% of our numbers to get a sustainable environment
 
you have shown that there is one specific problem that feelings have, so far, not solved. You have not shown that there is no problem at all that feelings are able to aid in solving
 
@jalf: And imagination is not productive?
 
ok
well, why don't you suggest a problem where feelings in general are capable of solving it?
 
@Insilico no. Not really. Sit and daydream about spaceships, or go get food on the table. Which one is productive?
 
@jalf: If I imagined a better solution to problem that saves time and energy, then my imagination was not useless
 
1:39 AM
@DeadMG The burden of proof is on you
 
Logic derives from feelings. Those two concepts should not be mixed. Logic is at some higher level than feelings.
 
I feel like hercules: chopping off one head of the hydra and three more sprout out of it
-.-
 
You want to take away our feelings, show us that they serve literally no purpose
 
@Mysticial SuperUser
 
You're the one making the big unfounded claim. You back it up.
 
1:40 AM
@jalf: I can use my imagination to come up with new, innovative ways to get food to the table
Therefore it can be productive
 
actually, I believe that my original claim was merely that we'd be better off without them
 
@Hoxieboy you should
 
@DeadMG And that they are vestigial
 
@sehe Cool, thx!
 
@jalf i.e., no longer beneficial to us
 
1:42 AM
@sehe I wonder if this is the reason why SO breaks sometimes :3
 
Without feelings you wouldn't have logic, and therefore any progress our society desperately needs every epoch( time that for some society needs to advance one level at the scale of evolution ) wouldn't be embraced.
 
a byproduct of evolution which no longer has a positive impact upon us
 
@DzekTrek: [citation needed]
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@Hoxieboy you should
 
@DeadMG and again, what do you base this upon?
 
1:43 AM
@sehe what is it that I should do?
 
@Insilico my sayings here are pure logic.
 
You can have perfect logic but have wrong conclusions
 
All you have shown is that the society we have created here and now is not idyllic
 
@DzekTrek then you write a book and get famous
 
I think sehe is broken D:
 
1:43 AM
you have not shown that feelings are not beneficial
 
@jalf And it's because of our feelings that it is the case.
 
oh nevermind
 
@DeadMG prove it
 
@Insilico If you deem my sayings are bad conclusion of my logic, back it up with some arguments.
@sehe I have better things on my mind.
 
@DzekTrek: There's a difference between a sound logical argument and a valid logical argument
 
1:44 AM
@jalf How about the defence budgets of the entire planet? Virtually all of it is completely unnecessary if you don't fear your neighbours.
 
@DzekTrek trolling
 
The structure of an argument can be totally, 100% logically valid
 
@DeadMG again, how does the absence of feelings preclude the need for defense?
 
@Insilico there is, but every concept of arguments tends to assumption that something said relies on the testimony of the clue, therefore go ahaid and point out your arguments to confront my statements.
 
1:45 AM
the entire reason we have active militaries is because we fear each other
 
I wonder where C++ went?
 
Might it not be considered logical for some that "me and mine need more room. We'll take it from you and yours"
 
@DeadMG that shows a problem with some particular feeling, not why feelings in general are useless
 
What's with the new wave of chat users. They all speak Polish/Russian or something and they don't care what they argue on about as long as there is an argument. (<-- tentative observation)
 
@jalf Not really.
 
1:45 AM
Dammit I finally managed to setup Clang 3.1 on OSX only to discover that lambda's are still not supported. Guess I'll have to wait a bit before I can use @jalf 's STM code on Mac.
 
@sehe I wouldn't be racist, please
 
@DeadMG so you're saying that because we wouldn't feel fear, we wouldn't bother defending ourselves? Now you're contradicting your earlier claim that we would magically see the logic in ensuring our survival
 
@jalf Who is there to defend ourselves from?
 
@Hoxieboy Oh, but I can back my observation with facts, there are chat transcripts :)
 
@Hoxieboy: Since when was one's ability to speak Russian tied to their race?
 
1:46 AM
@DeadMG other people. Why would it be logical for them to be on my side?
 
Do you mind for having Russian friends here? @sehe
 
@EVERYONE logic = true, false not "lets shit on some poor dudes face because its better for us"
 
Not at all. I do wonder what happened to the C++ Lounge, though
 
@jalf Because our species is more than capable of acting for the benefit of the whole, instead of individuals, and doing so is more effective than not.
 
herp derp, now could we stop and become less productive?
 
1:47 AM
in order to declare something as fact, you must first argument it. @sehe
 
Why would logic lead all of homo sapiens to band together into one inseparable whole? Why would logic say "it's ok for there to be 7 billion people on this planet, despite all the suffering it is causing to other creatures on the planet"? Why would logic say "I should only do what benefits homo sapiens as a whole, and not some subset of it"?
@DeadMG "the whole"? What is "the whole"?
 
@jalf: Because our survivability goes up in a group
 
Why, logically speaking, would I care more about the humans on the other side of the planet, than the cats in my backyard?
 
@jalf If we went about it a little more efficiently, there would be less of a problem.
 
HOLY HELL you can't have logic and emotions separated, thats why computers can't think for themselves
 
1:49 AM
@Insilico Does it? Our survivability goes up in a diverse ecosystem too. There's no reason to give humans preferential treatment
 
@jalf Because they manufacture the sofa you sit on, and the cats don't.
 
@DeadMG what logical purpose does my sofa serve?
and the leather in it came from a cow, not a human
 
@jalf: Why do you think we tell people when they're going out at night to always go in groups?
 
@jalf I know. But it still requires humans to manufacture.
 
@Insilico And who cares about "our" survivability anyway? That's a circular argument. We'd care about humans because we care about humans?
 
1:50 AM
@DeadMG That doesn't make me care about them. If they die somebody else will make it.
 
@jalf Presuming that you decide it illogical for you to suffer from numerous diseases resulting from poor posture
 
@DeadMG but it also require cows. So why would I worry more about the survivability of humans than cows?
 
thick 'eads over here don't understand that logic and emotions isnt thinking
-.-
 
@StackedCrooked Then somebody else will just stop making something else. The net productivity has gone down.
 
@DeadMG Why do I care about productivity? How many sofas do I need?
 
1:50 AM
@jalf Well, logically, there would be a point at which we need cows rather than humans.
 
Yes, Sigmund once said that our state of mind consists of three parts, one that he called id, second that he called ego and the third he called superego. Id stands for our emotional stance, ego stands for our logic and superego stands for the higher level of logic( also called as virginity level ). @Insilico
 
hmmm, another wikipedia, to prove pointless sh*t
Thought generally refers to any mental or intellectual activity involving an individual's subjective consciousness. It can refer either to the act of thinking or the resulting ideas or arrangements of ideas. Similar concepts include cognition, sentience, consciousness, and imagination.Webster's II New College Dictionary, Webster Staff, Webster, Houghton Mifflin Company, Edition: 2, illustrated, revised Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1999, ISBN 0395962145, 9780395962145, pg. 1147 Because thought underlies almost all human actions and interactions, understanding its physical an...
 
@jalf You do need to replace them as they get damaged.
 
@DeadMG And perhaps that point was crossed a few billion human beings ago? Perhaps, logically, it'd make sense to attack your neighbors, thin our numbers a bit
 
Surprise! I'm going to talk about C++ now!
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1:51 AM
@jalf The last time I checked, if we ran things a little more efficiently, our population actually still has significant room for expansion.
 
@Insilico thanks, finally
 
@DeadMG When did you last check? In the 1600's?
 
Consider an DOM XML library
 
@jalf Or more likely: kill them before they kill us.
 
there are vast untapped resources in many places of the world
 
1:52 AM
or a GUI toolkit
 
@Insilico go on
 
usually because they've been destroyed by conflict
 
both which involve things organized into trees
 
@Insilico Thank god
 
@Insilico I sense a great idea coming
 
1:52 AM
If something has been destroyed by conflict, it does not exist. That's kind of what "destroyed" means
 
:o
 
for example, node can be organized into trees
 
our ability to access them was destroyed
 
and windows can be organized like trees as well
 
but they can be rebuilt
 
1:53 AM
and no, we are running short on a lot of resources, and it takes more than a "little more efficiency" to get down to a sustainable level
 
@jalf Very true. it takes reasonable actions to confront the upcoming menaces.
 
Us programmers can manipulate the nodes of a tree at will
 
and once again, why would I care about productivity? Why would I care about trying to cram as many humans as possible onto this planet?
 
sorry @DzekTrek I can't speak russian remember? I'm still learning XD
I only know a few phrases/words
 
@jalf I never said that the two are equivalent.
if we reach a cap where the planet can't support more of us, then it is indeed illogical to expand our population
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English in teh chats, guys
 
1:54 AM
@DeadMG breaking news: we reached that point a long time ago. The planet can't support all of us indefinitely
 
The thing is, a lot of DOM xml libraries do this by making the programmer new the nodes and work with raw pointers
 
@DeadMG why don't you go ahead and remove all that logic then too while your at it
 
So logically, assuming we care about finding a long-term solution (which I don't see why we would, given our lack of feelings), the logical solution would be to kill off a lot of people
 
@DzekTrek I think it meant "end of formal" something
 
@jalf And I don't support our current state of excess population. But I think that natural causes will be plenty to take care of it. When our resources run out, then our population will of course reduce in response.
 
1:55 AM
Qt does this too. I'm trying to think of a better design than that.
 
Oh, I forgot. @Hoxieboy the best tool for learning our language is to read books, go to some public library and take some books and begin learning. Very shortly you will notice progress. :)
 
but again, why would we worry about our survival? Evolution, you say? But evolution worries about our survival now, it doesn't make us care about finding sustainable long-term solutions
 
@Insilico You can work with recursive variants instead. Type erasure under the hood
 
@sehe Where do you come from? Germany?
 
@jalf But I and every other human are more than capable of seeing in the longer term.
 
1:56 AM
@DzekTrek :) I wish my library had books on russian, sadly they don't :( I know quite a bit of german though
 
@DzekTrek Now, don't be racist :)
 
@DeadMG But why would you care about the longer term?
 
well, since I plan to still be around in sixty years, and it's my descendants that will have to live in whatever society we've become in six hundred years, then it's pretty much in my own long-term interests to maximize the long term.
 
@sehe for what saying you are from Germany? @Hoxieboy You can always download some books on the internet as well. :)
 
@sehe I believe he inquired on where you live, not "a bunch of polish/russians or whatever"
 
why would you care about your descendants?
and 60 years is hardly long-term
 
@Insilico Yeah or more like boost.org/doc/libs/1_48_0/doc/html/boost/… - but basically. Yes.
 
well, they are my genetic legacy
 
and?
 
@Hoxieboy You misremember what I remarked earlier. 'or whatever'
 
1:59 AM
evolution provides plenty of kick to care about your genetic legacy
 
@sehe Please, don't
 
@sehe I'm going to have to take a look into that
 
the only difference is that I can see that legacy for more than just the most immediate descendants
 
@Hoxieboy what?
 
@Hoxieboy some nice books of Russian literature can be downloaded here mirknig.com
 

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