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10:01 PM
Claiming you are a "scientist" makes you look like you're not.
 
The answers and comments to my question on physics.se clearly indicate that the physics community has both opponents and proponents of CF. So I'm not sure studying CF will mean the end of a career if the study and reporting of results is scientifically honest.
@kbok Who did that?
 
@Dave do you not know how to use the chat? See the little grey arrow to the left of the text? Click on it.
 
no cold fusion articles get published @Chimera they are simply not accepted because they fall under "Quack science" they aswell as those who research into perpetual motion and faster than light travel.
 
@Dave That's my point. It appears that not everybody in the community believes CF is quack science.
 
@Chimera only about 99%
 
10:03 PM
yeh but they are the quack scientists :P
 
:-)
 
the problem is they want the fame of being the first to crack it. but thats all well and good if it were possible in the first place
but scientists that do it for fame are destined to fail
 
Scientists are supposed to kind an open mind. They need to be willing to look into new evidence or studies of CF.
 
Xeo
@Dave, you really are narrow minded, aren't you?
 
no @Xeo its simple maths
well not simple but you know what i mean
the only way CF would be re-looked into is if the experiment could be repeated and explained.
 
10:06 PM
@Dave and that's why nobody has heard of Thomas Edison.
 
everyone has heard of him ...
 
Xeo
@Dave </sarcasm>
 
one man recently made something called an ECAT which he claimed could do it.. he didn't reveal how and wouldn't let any one replicate it and he tried to sell it. aka he went for fame and money
 
@Dave the experiment? There's only one possible experiment that could produce cold fusion?
 
Apparently Edison never invented much himself, he was just good at selling stuff
 
10:07 PM
@Dave oh really? In that case your previous statement is wrong.
 
a experiment*
how ? lol
 
Ell
@Dave Rossi?
 
Xeo
@Dave I still think FTL travel is possible if you don't plan to go faster than light. :)
 
yes Andrea Rossi
 
Ell
@kbok yeah mostly true I think
 
10:08 PM
@Dave freaking google chrome spell checker lied to me
3 mins ago, by Dave
but scientists that do it for fame are destined to fail
 
correct.
they are
Rossi failed.
 
@Dave Serisouly. Edison. Follow the conversation
 
he didn't do it for fame
he just became famous like Einstein they don't plan to
 
@Dave no, check again. he made a full business out of it, and had some rather dirty practices to put competing inventors out of business.
 
well products etc is business
a scientific discovery on the other hand is not the same thing
 
10:10 PM
@Dave except he didn't discover most of the things he got famous for. His employees did.
 
Edison was a douchebag.
 
this his employees were the brains and they didnt go for fame evidently
cos i dont know their names .
 
@Dave right. Edison got the fame. An the success. He's not a failure. Ergo...
 
but his employees were the brains lol
edison seems to be just a douche who took credit for it
 
Hello friends
 
10:12 PM
@Dave you said scientists who do it for fame are destined to fail. Edison was a scientist who did it for fame and didn't fail. Ergo, your statement was incorrect.
 
I have a question for an algorithm
 
@MooingDuck my statement still stands you clearly said his employees did the work
so you kinda ruined you're own point
 
Say you want to make an entire picture DARKER (such that it seems to be more in the background or less important), how would you guys recommend doing that?
 
Xeo
@Crowz If it's not an algorithm for cold fusion, you're off-topic currently.
 
and i don't see much evidence that he decided to try to invent things solely for the point of becoming famous
 
10:13 PM
@Xeo It's an algorithm in C++
 
if any thing he invented then became famous and it got to him
 
@Dave You're claiming that Edison was not a scientist? He did invent the modern light bulb.
 

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depends what your definition of a scientist is.
 
Ell
@MooingDuck I'm not so sure about that
 
10:14 PM
do you define inventors as scientists
cos i think inventors use what scientists discover to make products.
 
Ell
It was Tesla wasn't it?
 
@Dave after he invented his first thing, he made an entire business dedicated to it. Sounds like fame and money to me.
@Ell no, tesla just invented everything else.
 
it was Maxwell that really started it .. he came up with the equations for light. if any thing it goes to him not edison for any thing to do with light
 
Edison was a genius, but he also was a massive asshole. Tesla only had the "genius" part.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Tesla was an asshole too.
 
10:16 PM
@Ell Edison "invented the first commercially practical incandescent light." Previous "bulbs had such flaws as an extremely short life, high expense to produce, and high electric current drawn, making them difficult to apply on a large scale commercially." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
@Crowz Then we probably don't have the same definition of "asshole".
 
He said "if Edison was smart at all, he'd know that he could do xyz"
 
and few people know maxwell any where near edison. so my point stands fine. edison was an inventor not a scientifist in my book.
 
I would define Tesla as quite passionate about his work. Okay, CRAZY about his work
 
@MooingDuck you are describing a businessman and an inventor. by that notion mark zuckerberg is a scientist for making facebook and making money. but he isn't.
 
Ell
10:17 PM
@MooingDuck ahh right okay. So he basically took the original one and made it a viable commercial product?
@Dave only because maxwell's equations don't concern people as much as lightbulbs do
 
@Dave I had previously considered inventors and scientists the same, yes. Now that you show a distinction, I see your point.
 
its fine. alot of people often consider them the same thing
 
@Ell he figured out the filament thing that made light for a long time without catching fire. Yes
 
Ell
right okay
 
"Although ITER is expected to produce (in the form of heat) 10 times more energy than the amount consumed to heat up the plasma to fusion temperatures, the generated heat will not be used to generate any electricity" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER The frick is this? What are they doing over there?
 
10:19 PM
yeh it is an experiment
an exciting one though :D
 
@Dave just because it's an experiment doesn't mean they can't do anything practical with it!
 
the plant is not big enough to join the electric grid. its only going to run for a few minutes
 
Ell
I have a DF live wallpaper now :3
 
Gentlemen.
 
French people smoke way too much.
 
10:22 PM
@Dave they're going to be using it off and on for twenty years
 
What's wrong with that?
 
you have to remember the plant will basically have a star at its core 1million times hotter than the sun. that will be running freely.
 
@Dave You can connect anything to an electric grid. my lightbulbs are.
 
@Crowz Smoking? How about it fucks up my lungs?
 
@EtiennedeMartel People know that, if they decide to do it anyway, that's their choice.
 
10:24 PM
@MooingDuck it wouldn't even provide 1% the need of france
 
@Dave so? How is that relevant? My lightblub provides a negative percentage of the need.
 
Ell
@Dave it could power a town probably orr maybe?
 
@Crowz It's their choice to breathe carbon monoxyde in my face?
 
im sure there will be a stage in the experiment to hook it to a grid for a few minutes to see if it works
 
@EtiennedeMartel Eh, that kind of stuff never bothered me personally
 
10:25 PM
but its not the main point
 
LOVE the smell of cigarrette smoke
 
@Dave yeah, I'm aware and happy it's not the main point. It shouldn't be.
@Dave they'll know it works and stable long before they hook it up. But AFAICT they aren't even planning for that.
 
Ell
I rather like the taste of cigarrette smoke
 
im sure theres a reason we're not aware of
 
@Crowz Do you smoke?
 
10:27 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Nah
 
@Ell by my math, at maximum output (which it can handle for ~30s) it could power about 40 American homes.
 
Ell
Ahh right :P
 
maybe theyll power the reasearch computers on site with it
also america are working on fusion using lasers too
different type of approach for the same thing
 
huh, I get a "stack was corrupted around the variable 'board'" exception when my function returns. it looks about like this: pastebin.com/gqEYwFPS
 
Ell
I was under the impression they heated a hydrogen pellet with a laser
 
10:32 PM
hmm alot of people don't use curly braces with their if statements i've noticed
i always do xD
 
Ell
Or was it helium o.O
As do I
 
@Ell causing the nuclei to fuse
or thats the plan
 
@Dave so do I, but I didn't want to bloat the paste
 
I have three test in compsci on monday
Super lame.
 
super lame + monday :(
 
10:34 PM
Makes me hate compsci...
 
you didn't already hate compsci?
I sure do
 
@melak47 that means something wrote out of bounds to an array. if you're on linux, valgrind might be able to find it.
 
Ell
I think its kewl, but don't think ill be going to uni
 
@MooingDuck windows :3
if I use a std::array, it should tell me where I went out of bounds, right?
or is that only vector :/
 
@melak47 then you have to (A) find the out of bounds manually, or (B) get an expensive program
 
Ell
10:36 PM
You can use at
 
Yeeeah. Super lame
 
@melak47 neither checks operator[] in release mode.
 
@Ell but then I have to change eeeevery [] call to .at()
@MooingDuck I'm in debug?
 
@melak47 yup, makes the code slower too
@melak47 I don't know if either checks in debug. I think they both do.
 
Hey. Hey everyone.
 
10:38 PM
I didn't ask for this.
 
this may end like this max payne shit
 
hate deux ex
 
Funny fact: GCC throws internal error on this one: ideone.com/e02A7F
 
*awaits assassin's creed
 
how do I initialize an array<array<int, N>, N> ? memsetting over the outer arrays data seems...weird
 
10:40 PM
I like Deus Ex. I love the ending where he
SPOILER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKPCCj6YVPA
 
@melak47 array<array<int, N>, N> myarray{};
 
@MooingDuck will that zero stuff?
 
i still play sim city 4 lol
 
@MooingDuck Neat function declaration.
 
@melak47 yup
 
10:41 PM
@MooingDuck Most vexing parse
 
@LucDanton oh wait
CURSES
 
lol
 
Switch to {}.
 
not sure any one is clicking them crowz :P
 
10:42 PM
I know
 
back in a bit guna visit the game dev chat
damn looks like its a ghost town
 
Here's a quick question:
Does YouTube use UDP or TCP?
as in, to send the videos
 
cannot convert parameter from 'std::array<std::array<int,0x05>,0x05> (__cdecl *)(void)' to 'std::array<std::array<int,0x05>,0x05> &'
....wat, I just want to pass it by reference? :/
 
Ell
I'm guessing tcp
 
@melak47 MVP
 
@DeadMG model, view, phuckit?
 
@Pubby Nice, I was thinking they used UDP
 
ohh
right, {}
 
when some one says they want to learn C++ just say "int initialized from rvalue int, or function named x returning int and taking another function which takes nothing and returns int? Owch. "
sums it up nicely :P
 
10:51 PM
Does anyone know of a tutorial on how to make your programs actually usable by other people?
 
you mean a release build?
 
As in, making it a full indendent application and not compile/run
 
@Crowz have them write them for you :p
 
i thought thats what the release build did
 
@Crowz What's wrong with your .exe ?
 
10:54 PM
@kbok I mean, I have a GUI when compiled and run. I just want to make it actually simple for an average user to use
 
> Dwarf Fortress is a game I wish I understood. I've tried to play it a few times, but it just boils down to my playing the part of Neo in that one scene in The Matrix "All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead..."
 
It's a series of artist tools
 
ever played trouble in terrorist town ?
its hilarious to play
 
@Crowz get someone who would use this to use it and tell you what sucks
 
@Crowz I don't understand what your problem is
You want a better UX ?
 
10:55 PM
@kbok Like programs, when you install them, are neatly packed into a little .exe with an icon. That's what I want.
 
give it the girlfriend test.
 
@Crowz each time you hit compile it makes an exe in the source folder somewhere
 
@Crowz Oh you want a setup and shit
 
eww
 
@kbok Precisely, I've never done that.
 
10:56 PM
Do you have VS pro ?
 
Me? No
 
@kbok I'm not sure if he wants a setup or just an icon on his exe
 
If this is the case then you have an install tool handy
@Crowz Look up NSIS then
 
@Crowz do you want an installer/setup, or just an icon for your .exe?
 
@Crowz Or WiX
 
10:57 PM
pft, forget installers. I distribute my programs as zips.
 
@melak47 Installer setup
 
Ell
@mooingduck shame on you!
 
@MooingDuck I want it to be incredibly, incredibly simple
 
what's simpler than a zip?
 
Ell
Self extracting :P
 
10:58 PM
@Ell meh, true. uTorrent has a nice thing going.
 
ever played this youtube.com/watch?v=ZXzbL-LLSxE so funny
 
You don't want simple if this is for dumb users, you want standard
 
@kbok hm, true
 
Hence NSIS
 
@kbok It's for dumb users
 
10:59 PM
I'm not sure how, but I've smashed the stack of my own application.
... It's pretty sweet.
 
@ThePhD ...smashed?
 
Unzipping is simple. Installers are longer and more a pain. But all users known they have to click "next" again and again. A good portion of them don't know how to unzip.
 

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