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1:14 AM
@KianMayne Torchwood is TEH AWESUM
 
 
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3:22 AM
Hey how much time should a beginner c++ user spend coding?
 
user457812
4:00 AM
@tanner I doubt anyone can answer that with much confidence
 
@nil Yeah, im just completely lost.
@nil well to a point lol.
 
4:47 AM
Hello.
 
5:00 AM
hiya
 
 
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6:30 AM
Boost.variant is awesome. I love the support for recursive types.
 
Years ago, (shortly) before I knew about Boost, I spent a while creating my own variant class. That kind of issue doesn't just solve itself, it's pretty well crafted :v) .
especially since it's worked so well even since before the compilers were so good
 
Yeah, it's amazing.
Hmm, why is there no boost::apply_visitor(const Visitor&, const Visitable&)?
There is a boost::apply_visitor(const Visitor&, Visitable&), but there isn't one that can take references to const.
 
6:53 AM
How would the overload get resolved?
 
Constness? const Visitable & x; Visitable & y; apply_visitor(v, x); apply_visitor(v, y); The first calls the const reference version, the second the mutable reference version.
 
Hmm, I was thinking the constness of visit would have an effect, but on second thought that shouldn't be such a problem…
 
Stupid me.
I was using boost::static_visitor<>, so the result_type was void.
boost::apply_visitor(const Visitor&, const Visitable&) would be useless in that case.
It can't change anything, and it doesn't return a value.
I changed to using boost::static_visitor<std::ostream&> and it works now.
 
It could have side effects…
 
sbi
8 hours ago, by DeadMG
they were practically building devices faster than they could understand them
 
7:02 AM
Oh, yeah, those.
 
sbi
@DeadMG You could very well they "they are..." and it would still be true today.
Oh, and my condolence, too. I had to bury two people I loved last winter/spring. And there's an even worse funeral ahead of me within the next one or two years.
@DeadMG TTBOMK there's just one regular from Portugal here. (There's at least one other native Portuguese, though.)
 
@sbi Now it's worse because they do understand them, and so much research has gone into safety but implementation cuts into the "bottom line."
 
That would be me :)
 
sbi
@tanner If you are a C++ beginner, code as much as possible, ask as much as possible, read as much as possible. And you need a good book. Beware, there's many bad ones out there.
 
Hmm, so the solution to safe nuclear power is to tax coal more…
 
sbi
7:05 AM
God, I hate Markdown. Letdown.
 
If you put the _s next to the [ it borks down.
Stupid.
 
sbi
The simplest way to decide about the use of NPPs is to require the companies to fully insure against billion $ incidents as in #Fukushima.
Privatizing earnings while publicizing costs of potential incidents distorts competition.
Insurance company will take no shit talk. If it's too risky, they won't allow it.
My take on the issue.
 
@sbi Could you explain what you mean with the second one? I'm not grasping the idea.
 
@MartinhoFernandes It's implying the Japanese Government paid for cleanup, not TEPCO…
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Corporations running NPP's earn incredible amounts of money with that. And who's paying for the incidents?
 
7:09 AM
Ok, I was hung up on "publicizing" as if it meant "making publicity".
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Might be my bad. English isn't may native language.
@Potatoswatter Last I heard TEPCO are required to fill in the pot the Japanese government setup for those who lost everything - at some point later.
 
@sbi Very few nuclear incidents ever cost public funds. I'm not sure if there's really much effect on economics…
 
sbi
Ooops. Got a support call. BRB.
 
Anyway coal is so incredibly unsafe, and does so often require government cleanup, that I'm still for one a big fan of nuclear.
People just decide not to care as much about the lives of coal miners, or the poor folks who live near fly ash ponds.
 
Because those things don't make good headlines.
"Yet another coal miner died of black lung" (or whatever) vs "Nuclear apocalypse at Fukushima".
 
7:19 AM
@MartinhoFernandes Several times every month there are BBC headlines about a coal mine collapse somewhere in the world.
 
Oh, I rarely ever see those around here.
 
There was a huge human interest story in those South American guys, I forget what country, who survived after weeks trapped underground.
 
Chile.
And that's hardly the thing you see every month.
 
Ah, that was a copper mine.
That story was pretty special, most often it's coal miners in China…
 
But you can't tack words like "apocalypse" next to "coal mine".
 
7:24 AM
@MartinhoFernandes The disasters are nevertheless pretty awful. It's just that we can't associate them with hyperbolic fictional accounts.
 
That was my point.
 
Fair nuff. Hmm, "solar power apocalypse" has a ring to it.
The panels are out of control! The sun will incinerate everything!
 
Well, I've seen people suggest that we pave the Sahara desert with solar panels...
That would probably speed up global warming instead of helping against it.
 
They would be stolen as fast as they could be installed…
 
sbi
7:35 AM
I have some invitations for Stack Overflow Careers 2.0, grab one here: http://t.co/Ew33F41
 
Well, at least we're in good company. If you're gonna go down, take everyone else with you.
 
sbi
7:49 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Please feel free to call me a fool (and a lazy one, because I don't feel like googling for a single-letter name), but who's Mr. T?
 
Oh boy.
Mr. T (born Laurence Tureaud; May 21, 1952) is an American actor known for his roles as B. A. Baracus in the 1980s television series The A-Team, as boxer Clubber Lang in the 1982 film Rocky III, and for his appearances as a professional wrestler. Mr. T is known for his trademark African Mandinka warrior hairstyle, his gold jewelry, and his tough-guy image. In 2006 he starred in the reality show I Pity the Fool, shown on TV Land, the title of which comes from his catchphrase from his character in the movie Rocky III. Early life Mr. T was born in Chicago, Illinois, the youngest son in a fa...
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter But the ones that did cost, did cost a lot, right?
Also, this negates the (hard to quantify, I admit) costs to the environment. Who is paying for the treatment of those who suffer health consequences? And what about the personal tragedies involved with so many people losing the homes they and their ancestors grew up in? (That, too, turns up under health costs.)
 
All the same can be said about coal, except as I said, coal accidents are far more common.
 
sbi
@kbok Uh. Maybe I was better off not knowing Mr. T.
 
7:55 AM
You never watched The A-Team?
Or Rocky III?
 
@sbi Ignorance is bliss.
 
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Q: Range based loop with iterators

小太郎Currently, I can only do ranged based loops with this: for (auto& value : values) But sometimes I need an iterator to the value, instead of a reference (For whatever reason). Is there any method without having to go through the whole vector comparing values?

I keep getting surprised by the kind of questions people come up with.
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Of course, they are. But they rarely ever require thousands of people leaving the area for the next few hundreds of thousands of years.
Don't get me wrong - 36 coal miners dying a horrible death 300m below ground is terrible. But the several tens of thousands of predicted cancer deaths and several hundreds of thousands losing their homes in Chernobyl play about two dozen leagues above that.
 
@sbi Hundreds die every year in coal mining accidents, and many square kilometers are reduced to wasteland.
So, the cost in human life and ecology is absolutely less for nuclear.
 
@Potatoswatter A thousand Americans die every year just from black lung.
 
8:04 AM
I only said "hundreds" because I don't feel like looking up real numbers. In any case, the cost of coal is overlooked because it disproportionately hurts rural locales and poor people.
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes When the A-Team was broadcasted at the end of the 80ies I didn't have access to western TV (I was on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain until 1990, and only had access to ~1987) and I'm living without TV since the 90ies. I have caught up with a lot of what I missed in my earlier life, but haven't seen the Rocky movies yet.
 
@sbi Mr. T is a kind of ageless celebrity here, he still appears in commercials and cameos.
 
@sbi Oh. I didn't recall that. In fact, I repeatedly forget that part of German history :(
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter I might have given the wrong impression: I know what coal mines are and I know very well what especially open coal mines do to the environment. When I lay in bed at night as a kid, I could hear the great machines they use in open coal mines screeching and howling from a very long way, and the area I grew up in was laid to waste by them plus by the chemical industry. (Both dominated the area for a century.)
However, I cannot, for the life of me, see how the death of "hundreds every year" could be higher "cost in human tragedy" than several tens of thousands dying of cancer from a single incident, and how the devastations in the area I grew up with, where hundreds or even thousands of people lost their homes to the open coal mines over the course of a century, cost more in ecology than >350k people resettled from a single incident.
 
@sbi Hundreds every year is only those crushed in mining accidents, and only a very conservative estimate at that.
You're counting sickness from pollution as casualties.
That's a completely different story. Acid rain and other kinds of coal pollution certainly have health effects comparable to radioactive iodine poisoning.
I'm not an expert in these things, but there's no way the two nuclear incidents that ever had any effect add up in comparison.
 
8:18 AM
morning all :)
 
Open pit mining isn't the worst either, here in the US they completely obliterate hilltops, reducing them to gravel so both the hill and the underlying valley are laid waste.
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter You really might want to read up on Chernobyl. They threw half a million people alone at containing the radiation. That's a whole city.
And that is the last I will contribute to this debate. To me it seems you're not interested in numbers and figures, and I suspect I appear to do the same from your POV. :) Have a last word and then let's stop that before it turns into a religious debate.
 
@sbi And how many people are affected by pollution from coal plants? Pretty much everyone.
 
cpx
@TonyTheTiger morning!
 
morning, how are you today?
 
sbi
8:22 AM
@Potatoswatter <sigh> Did you even read what I wrote? These half a million were involved in work right at the NPP. I was not talking about the dozens of millions exposed to the fallout over Europe. </sigh>
 
cpx
Good thanks, how are you on this morning?
 
@sbi Didn't you offer me the last word? ;) I'm sorry I don't have more numbers on hand, but it's a matter of scale. The effects of coal electricity generation are hard to separate from other industrial pollution and fossil fuel waste. They are harder to quantify, but quantifiable nonetheless, and bad air makes people just as sick as radioactive iodine.
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Yeah, I meant to bring no new arguments into the debate. I couldn't keep still, though, when you seemed to have misread the arguments I already had written. :-x Sorry for that.
 
@sbi Considering that this isn't the last time I'll have this debate, I should probably get some real numbers sometime :vP
Although of course, that means first finding an unbiased source, lol.
 
@cpx not too bad
 
8:30 AM
@Potatoswatter Trust me, you can't beat Chernobyl in such an argument.
@Potatoswatter Stay away from newspapers, then. They hardly ever link to official sources.
Which should be a crime.
 
@MartinhoFernandes Chernobyl is easy to analyze because there's no other source of radioactive iodine. You take the number of deaths from thyroid cancer and multiply by some factor. But there are also a lot of deaths from lung cancer, and sickness resulting from sulphur, etc. There are many sources of such pollution, so the fraction of illnesses due to coal electricity generation isn't as easy to analyze.
I'm pretty sure the EPA has done the math, but they are probably not unbiased, nor is the situation in the USA representative of worldwide.
China and South/Southeast Asia have places with terrible pollution, but that again is a combination of industrial and vehicle sources.
And then there's the question of whether places with less regulation are as relevant to the potential safety of a power source, and that applies to nuclear as well as coal.
 
@Potatoswatter That's why I said you can't beat Chernobyl. You can't pin it on anything else, and the numbers are pretty scary.
And even if you manage to convince someone that coal is worse, that's not an argument pro-nuclear.
That's an argument against coal.
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@MartinhoFernandes Heavy metal poisoning has killed/brain-damaged a lot more than a million people. Coal is the main vector of that pollution into the environment. You can beat Chernobyl. The analysis just gets hazy when you restrict it to electricity generation.
 
I think the debate is moot anyway, because it usually boils down to evaluating the risk of accidents in nuclear power plants.
 
@MartinhoFernandes Until there are other viable alternatives, it's not yet a false dichotomy.
 
8:40 AM
@Potatoswatter You need to show all the alternatives are worse, or at least, not better.
 
@MartinhoFernandes Wind power is great, and quickly growing here in the US. But it's not limitless, and can't possibly replace coal.
 
Wind power produces very little energy compared to NPP.
 
I only brought up coal saying that the solution is to tax it further… and that applies equally to solutions besides nuclear. Everything else becomes more viable once you better account for the externalities.
A wind farm is a group of wind turbines in the same location used to produce electric power. A large wind farm may consist of several hundred individual wind turbines, and cover an extended area of hundreds of square miles, but the land between the turbines may be used for agricultural or other purposes. A wind farm may also be located offshore. Many of the largest operational onshore wind farms are located in the USA. As of November 2010, the Roscoe Wind Farm is the largest onshore wind farm in the world, producing 781.5 MW of power, followed by the Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center (735...
 
@Potatoswatter No, coal is not the main cause of heavy metals in the environment.
It's metal purification.
Which includes the purification of nuclear fuel.
 
"As of November 2010, the Roscoe Wind Farm is the largest onshore wind farm in the world, producing 781.5 MW of power, followed by the Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center (735.5 MW)." — nothing to sneeze at
 
8:45 AM
(And just for clarity, I'm mostly pro-nuclear.)
 
@MartinhoFernandes That is localized to mining sites. I said the main vector, intending to capture delivery to a large population.
 
@Potatoswatter Sorry, I'm misunderstanding something here. Metal purification is not localized to mining sites.
 
one thing people rarely take into account in that debate is that nuclear power probably looks artificially good at the moment, because we're so paranoid about it. It's subjected to far stricter safety requirements than pretty much anything else. If we were to embrace nuclear power wholesale, most likely we'd be more lax about the safety of it. And so, it might end up causing more harm than current numbers would suggest.
 
@MartinhoFernandes It's localized to wherever ore is refined, right? Which is likely close to a mine, and in any case not as widespread as electricity generation.
@jalf It's really hard to get a handle on nuclear safety because all the relevant parties are interested and motivated enough to form a conspiracy.
At least here in the US, there were reports about the revolving door between industry and the regulators. They did get ever more lax… but it's not clear which way things would be pushed by an economy of scale.
Perhaps safety would get cheaper and more affordable. I really have no idea. In any case, pro-nuclear as I may be, there are a lot of ancient reactors here that need to be shut down.
 
8:55 AM
Those are everywhere.
They keep running because replacements cannot be built, because they're bad or something like that.
 
Exactly. A freeze on implementing safer technology does not improve safety…
 
lol
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Q: Assign value to textbox

belinqHi i have a radio button(StarRating radiobutton using jquery) and a textbox. When i click on the star, i would like the radiobutton value to display to the textbox. <input id="InsRating1" class="star" type="radio" name="InsRating" value="1" title="Worst"/> <input id="InsRating2" class=...

> I tried put the Onclick() in the but
 
Japan has gone on designing generation after generation of ever-safer reactors, and their own antiquated design is the one that melts down.
 
That's not how one should use jQuery.
 
@Potatoswatter There's also the issue that many modern reactor designs do not produce a lot of weaponizable material.
 
8:57 AM
@MartinhoFernandes Yeah, lol, that kills the bottom line!
Also, the power characteristics are all wrong for running the centrifuges.
 
@Potatoswatter yep, I try not to be pro any of them, I don't really feel I have the facts to support it. There are too many unknowns, and I tend to distrust people who know that X is going t obe safer and better and cheaper
 
9:09 AM
You know that nowadays, we can find traces of plutonium in almost every person?
 
nope, but doesn't surprise me. :)
 
@MartinhoFernandes I'm guessing that involves a very sensitive detector, and dissecting/cremating said person…
 
It's due to two things: we have super-sensitive detectors, and we've spewed the thing all over when testing nuclear weapons.
 
yeah, makes sense
 
9:23 AM
This guy
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A: Palindrome is not working

kbokThe quickest way is to reverse the string and compare it to the original. You don't really need the integer conversion.

He copied the same comment on every answer
What is the deal with this guy.
 
lol
 
@kbok Ah, yet another DoesNotWorkException question.
 
It's so obvious the OP does not get a clue at what he's doing.
do {
    j = numbers / 10;
}
while (j < 10);
 
9:31 AM
@TonyTheTiger YOU HAS MAIL!
 
@ÓlafurWaage oh thank you :)
 
You're welcome.
 
@kbok He probably meant to say until (j < 10). Many beginners get confused about this.
 
C# should have an irregardless keyword
 
the semantics being...?
 
9:35 AM
@ÓlafurWaage so I don't get "What do you mean you have basic knowledge of algorithms? " What I mean is, I'm not like an expert, but I understand them when I see them
 
Does this link work for you guys?
 
not sure what your question was on this
@MartinhoFernandes blank page is what I get
 
@TonyTheTiger When I see "basic" I think beginner, maybe you should put that under intermediate
 
Ok, makes my downvote even more justified.
 
@ÓlafurWaage oh I see, yea perhaps I'm not that much of a beginner anymore...
heh
 
@FredOverflow There's a bigger problem, the value of j does not change while iterating.
 
WhoTF uses "irregardless"?
 
So, what does that mean after all ?
 
It means the speaker is an ignorant fool.
Or making a joke.
 
@MartinhoFernandes Bingo.
 
9:49 AM
Well that was useful to know now.
 
I thought C# actually had an until keyword when I saw Fred's comment. I Googled and it doesn't, but there sure are a lot of folks asking for it…
 
Honestly, why?
As a C# user, I'd rather have Real Features™ than have one more keyword that does not enable anything I can't do today.
Even as syntax sugar, it's not really that sweet.
 
10:04 AM
heheh
who in here knows this phenomenon:
 
I swear I didn't do this today!
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Because you didn't turn it off last night, right?
 
oh only today eh?
 
And my urge to publicly affirm it does not mean I did!
 
10:09 AM
woah, some police obviously have nothing better to do
 
I mean, "a suspicious coin" wtf?
 
It's obvious quarters are suspicious.
 
very, esp if are not in the US
but I suspect this is in the US... so
 
Civilized countries use only coin denominations consisting of one of {1,2,5} followed by zeros.
 
10:11 AM
yea the american monetary system is somewhat strange
I still can't figure it out
 
@MartinhoFernandes How many zeroes before things get suspicious?
 
@Potatoswatter 3 for bills, two for coins.
 
I still plan to mint me some 5000 euro coins…
 
I don't think that counts as counterfeit money.
Because there's no real 5000 € coin for you to be counterfeiting.
So, go ahead.
Just don't try to pass it as real money. That's fraud.
However, you probably can sell those as if they were works of art or something.
Not sure if they would be worth 5000€ though.
 
10:18 AM
@MartinhoFernandes Prolly not. But, there is a sucker born every minute.
 
It just boils down to finding the right sucker.
 
Do you guys have television shopping / QVC?
 
What's that?
 
TV shopping? Hmmm never heard of it
 
Oh, I got it.
QVC is a multinational corporation specializing in televised home shopping. Founded in 1986 by Joseph Segel in West Goshen Township, Pennsylvania, United States, QVC broadcasts in five countries as QVC US, QVC UK, QVC Germany, QVC Japan and – from September 30 – QVC Italy to 200 million households. The name is an acronym standing for Quality, Value, Convenience. Corporate history QVC was founded on June 13, 1986 by Joseph Segel. One of the first brands to sign a two year deal with QVC was Sears products. Its first live broadcast took place at 7:30 PM ET on November 24 of that year, reach...
This?
 
10:20 AM
A TV station which advertises worthless trinkets and baubles, 24 hours a day. You call a phone number and waste your money. They sell lots of silly coins.
 
oh yea we have that
retarded
ok, this pic confuses me
 
Of course we have that. We're a first world country (maybe not for long, though).
 
fuckin economy is slumping again
investors losing confidence on stock exchange
bastards
 
Yes, but education is supposedly better there…
 
There where?
At the stock exchanges?
 
10:22 AM
no it's not better here
 
Anywhere besides the USA.
You don't have quite as many creationists.
 
it sucks, just look at the number of failures coming from college, uni etc
lol
 
Um, if they went at all, they win.
 
oh I see
 
sbi
Lo, the Dow fell over 500 points. This is when financial managers start killing themselves. Not that any of them end up here.
 
10:35 AM
What do you guys invest in? I was thinking just yesterday about buying back some gold, which I sold a couple years ago… maybe I still should.
 
You need money for that, right?
 
@MartinhoFernandes Yes… the idea is to avoid losing what you have. Unless all you have is debt ;v)
 
Ok, just checking.
 
I buy games.
 
An economically sound choice.
 
10:39 AM
hi
 
And servers.
Well, a server.
 
meh
hi @DeadMG
how are you today?
@CatPlusPlus what server did you buy?
 
doing ok
my bank is objecting to my use of my overdraft :P
 
oh darn
 
ah, it's no big deal
I just need to finally sort out sending money from my other account into it
 
10:49 AM
oh k
 
@TonyTheTiger 2G with a Celeron from OVH. I'm thinking about that more powerful one, though.
 
@CatPlusPlus woah, and that's not too pricey either
what do you plan to use it for?
 
11:07 AM
Currently I'm mostly running a buildbot and a CS server. With a more powerful one, I was thinking about Minecraft server.
 
oh I see
 
11:20 AM
> I love how bashing Java in a comment gets 17 upvotes but if you did that as an answer it would be at least at -5. – Chris Lutz Oct 24 '09 at 21:21
For the record, said comment is now at +63.
 
11:37 AM
linky?
@CatPlusPlus "Kimsufi". Is this a pun ?
 
@kbok Hell if I know.
 
@CatPlusPlus When pronounced out loud, it means "Which is enough for me" in french.
"Qui me suffit"
 
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Q: Subtraction and Intersection of two vectors in C++

Amresh KumarI've two vectors having pointers to my custom class object. The pointers in these two vectors don't point to the same object, but the values stored in the objects are same. My custom class structure is: Class Item { string ItemId; string ItemDescription; float ItemPrice; } The first...

 
@kbok Well, OVH originates in France AFAIK, so it's plausible.
 
@CatPlusPlus @kbok @MartinhoFernandes
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Q: Subtraction and Intersection of two vectors in C++

Amresh KumarI've two vectors having pointers to my custom class object. The pointers in these two vectors don't point to the same object, but the values stored in the objects are same. My custom class structure is: Class Item { string ItemId; string ItemDescription; float ItemPrice; } The first...

 
11:48 AM
@CatPlusPlus Yes, that's why I think it's plausible.
 
@AmreshKumar What?
 
@AmreshKumar Yes, we can see the question list, thank you very much.
 
@MartinhoFernandes can u please have a look at stackoverflow.com/questions/6955578/… and suggest some solution
 
@AmreshKumar You know that the official policy here about dropping questions in the chat is to massively downvote it, right ?
 
Is it downvote time?
 
11:49 AM
@kbok no
 
@kbok No, it's not. Don't downvote questions for that.
 
It's the official policy of the evil puppies.
 
@MartinhoFernandes I don't do it, I think telling people that I could is enough.
 
when I posted about link dumping, a moderator suggested it to me
 
@DeadMG What? Downvoting?
 
11:51 AM
so don't look at me
 
@MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
@AmreshKumar you have an answer there that can help you along.
 
When they drop in chat to drop their question link and bolt, it's your turn to visit the question and downvote as they wished for it. Obviously they had no thought into the question and chat is easier than reddit. random♦
 
Oh. I thought it was just to flag it or something.
 
@ÓlafurWaage i'm not getting how to implement with set_difference
 
11:53 AM
@AmreshKumar Also, you already have an answer.
 
and, seriously, it's only been 21 minutes
what, your life depends on it?
 
Maybe he has to defuse a bomb using this algorithm.
 
sbi
12:35 PM
@Potatoswatter I'm investing all my money in a bunch of kids. It's not a safe investment, though, and the earnings are strictly non-monetary. Not for everyone's taste, I suppose.
 
My dad instead of linking me the articles, sends it over as pdf. Hey Dad, I have internet too!
 
sbi
@AmreshKumar Drive-by linking (showing up just to dump a link to your question) and not to participate in discussions, is frowned upon here. In fact, regulars might flag such messages as offensive or downvote the question.
@hexa I also have an Internet! Which version is yours? I bet mine's shinier!
 
My dad is almost reaching version 60
I usually have problems with his legacy code
 
sbi
@hexa :b
 
@sbi I thought you were talking about the Dad program before your edit :P
 
sbi
12:40 PM
@hexa 'course you did! I never doubted.
(Did I ever mention I like her?)
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes That.
 
Did you see the tweet by ChrisMcEvoy she replied to this morning?
 
sbi
@MartinhoFernandes Yes, I saw it, but I'd like to pretend I didn't. I'm not a bitch, after all. :)
 
Yeah, that's a good approach.
 

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