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6:12 PM
Some guy I've never met just +1'd a post I made on Google+. That isn't so interesting. His profile, however, is interesting.
Clearly, a master of "Data-Basing"
 
@Josh New drug ? :)
 
Haha, I have no idea.
 
"Other names
JC, J, Mr Flawless Solutions"
 
Hi solutions clearly are without flaws.
 
either fake or all small startups.... this guy doesn't look or sound professional.
 
6:15 PM
Duh :)
Plus, he's a CEO so he clearly will have a board of directors, and more importantly some public stock we can buy.
 
morning all
 
Afternoon @portforwardpodcast
 
morning
 
how we all doin todaY?
 
Very well. You?
 
6:16 PM
anybody strike it rich mining bitcoins yet?
 
My comp is not good enough.
 
He's a CEO of a bunch of names.... and just started a spare pc parts wholesale in his backyard.
 
@portforwardpodcast I made about $90, believe it or not.
 
dayum!
good job bro
 
I took my cash and got out early while it was still being slashdotted :)
 
6:18 PM
you can mine bitcoins?
 
sbi
@Xaade I wish. Actually, though, it's ...to the _bathroom within an hour..._, which makes a noticeable difference. (Half an hour today, but I have been bullying really hard, because we were late.)
 
I had bout $10 @ about $1 apiece late last year, just to try it out
sold them for about $10 apiece a couple months ago
 
@sbi I just realized my parents sent me to bed to get some peace and quiet.
 
@Xaade yep, every 10 minutes, somebody on the network "wins" 50 btc
@X
 
"wins"?
 
6:19 PM
@Xaade so basically it's a race between all the nodes to "solve" the next block
 
"solve"?
Eventually some nation is going to figure out how to shut down bitcoins.
 
@portforwardpodcast Or "trade" the existing hashes for wildly fluctuating value.
 
Your comp decodes stuff, and you get cash
 
@Xaade yep! I could go on for hours explaining this but
@Xaade you could just listen to a recording of me talking about it for hours :D textmyqueue.com/port-forward-podcast/…
 
Ok, so wait, you volunteer your pc for distributed computing?
and make money?
 
6:21 PM
Bitcoin is a digital currency created in 2009, based mainly on a self-published paper by Satoshi Nakamoto. Bitcoin enables rapid payments (and micropayments) at very low cost, and avoids the need for central authorities and issuers. Digitally signed transactions, with one node signing over some amount of the currency to another node, are broadcast to all nodes in a peer-to-peer network. A proof-of-work system is used as measurement against double-spending and initial currency distribution mechanism. Operation People interact with bitcoin with a wallet which may be either stored on th...
 
@Collecter it's not exactly 'decoding' it's hashing the most recent block over and over. each tiem you tweak a fudge factor, untill the resulting hash has 52 bits of 0's leading
@Xaade yep that's an overview
 
sbi
@Xaade Did they say so?
 
@sbi No, but now that I have a kid, that's what WE try to do!
 
Is Bitcoin even practical yet?
 
I actually only heard about this and looked into it the other day. Does anyone stand a chance without a computer farm?
 
sbi
6:23 PM
@Xaade Ah, Ok. IMO that's fine, BTW. As a parent you do need some time off.
 
@0A0D That's a really tought question.
 
@Josh Like, how do you get a bitcoin? Is it like you do work and someone pays you a bitcoin? It's like chicken / egg problem.
 
@0A0D depends what you want to do. Is TOR practicle for everyday browsing? no? but does it work super well for it's purpose? Yes. I would say the same goes for bitcoin
 
@0A0D Currency exchange.
 
@0A0D You can compute them, or you an buy them (hopefully low) and sell them (hopefully high)
 
6:25 PM
@0A0D well it's a currency. So you can do an exchange. There aren't employers who pay in btc (not many) so that's about the only way you can get them. Or you can mine
 
@Josh So you made money by dedicating CPU cycles?
 
Currently bitcoin is 99% forex and 1% some minor services.
 
@portforwardpodcast I do think it's really important to point out that it is a fiat currency, and the only fiat currency with no bank behind it. Whether this is good or bad is not clear, but no way am I going to dump big money into it.
@0A0D No. I bought 10 btc @ $1, sold them recently for $10 apiece.
I've seen the value fluctuate all the way to ~$30, but it's a wild ride.
 
@Josh I see your point. Ya I agree, im not going to dump $$$ into it, but I am going to promote it in as many ways as possible. just like I ran a TOR node for months till I pissed off comcast and hulu and cnn.com all at the sametime
 
@portforwardpodcast Nice.
 
6:28 PM
@Josh mostly it was my roomates who figured out that hulu.com wasn't working, and then it was a whole big deal like, lets blame ben
 
@Josh Almost seems like play money
 
I do think that it's interesting that it's really difficult to influence the value of bitcoins on the technical side, and that you cannot cheat the system with known mathematics.
 
@portforwardpodcast Is it really possible to be able to mine anything without a ton of computers at your disposal?
 
@0A0D I don't really know what to make of it. I feel fairly educated on it, especially after having conducted actual trades. I still can't say it's good or bad. I'm hopefully cautious.
 
6:30 PM
@Collecter it's more about how many gpu's you have. If you have 1 or 2 gpu's you can get like .50 btc per day by joining a pool
@Collecter my estimate may be inaccurate, however the current exchange rate is over 13 dollars for one btc. so that's not bad income
 
@Josh I could see how money could be laundered through it though
 
@portforwardpodcast At this point, I know that if you were to sell the btc at their current value you lose big time with the amount of energy you spend on those GPU's. I think the hope is that the btc you mine now will eventually be like Berkshire Hathaway stock and you'll make a fortune selling them later when they become scarce.
 
@portforwardpodcast So I probably would not be able to mine much with my laptop one. ~.~
 
@0A0D Oh yes. People bring that up a lot.
 
@0A0D It IS!!! Which is why nations are worried about it.
They can't actually do anything about it.
 
6:32 PM
I don't get the dedicated GPU.. what are you dedicating it to? SETI? Who is paying for those cycles that you are mining?
 
It's like give me 1000 pieces of dust for this money, and then taking that dust to someone else to get money. There's nothing to trace of value.
@0A0D Inflation is paying for the cycles.
@0A0D They "print" money to pay for the cycles.
 
@Xaade Yea, but what are you mining?
 
@portforwardpodcast How would one get the software to do this?
 
what service are you providing?
 
@0A0D The GPU is just better that a CPU because the problem is embarrassingly parallel.
 
6:33 PM
@Josh No, I got that.. just what is the purpose?
 
@0A0D Basically. You get a little bitcoin that comes from NOWHERE as you mine. It's a transaction log entry from nowhere.
 
@Xaade by the way, a "nation" can only shut down the exchange website. they can't shutdown the network. The network only needs 2 people to run the client to be active and alive
 
Like, is the GPU being used to analyze signals
 
@portforwardpodcast That's why they really can't do anything to stop it.
 
@0A0D You are providing a service to yourself, in that you discover valid hashes that you can sell. Why do people buy these hashes? Because we say they have value - there is nothing else there... I know, it's weird.
 
6:34 PM
@0A0D the GPU is being used to hash some bits millions of times trying to get a special hash
 
@Josh Jesus.. is this a steampunk novel or what?
 
@0A0D Lol. Not enough brass and leather :)
 
@portforwardpodcast wait, so how do you know you come up with unique hash?
 
@Xaade Because it doesn't exist in the entire history of known hashes, something everyone who uses bitcoin gets a copy of.
 
Bitcoins are only high right now because it is rare.. otherwise, the value to translate into dollars would go down as production goes up.
thats my impression
 
6:35 PM
@0A0D Production is gauranteed to go down over time, there is finite hashes.
 
@Josh what's a hash used for?
 
Algorithm is rigged to stop producing results when there is enough coins live.
 
@all Anyone know where I can get this software?
 
One of my coworkers started mining big coins relatively close to when it started. Now he's rich, and we're all wondering why he still works here.
 
@Poik HAH.... it's a pyramid scheme.
 
6:37 PM
Wish i was him ~.~
 
He bought a Lotus Elise with some of the profit
 
@0A0D Bitcoins are valued because they're useful, not because of something inherent to them.
 
@Xaade Kind of, kind of not.
 
@Xaade it's not about being unique, it's about the hash having 52 0's in the first 52 bits of the hash
 
The last person in makes no money
 
6:38 PM
That because of the mining difficulty increases.
 
that means you need to do about 2^52 hashes to find one like that
 
hash of what?
 
The "mining" of bitcoins is letting your computer hash for the exchange.
 
I don't understand..... I can make a number with 52 0's in the front.... then find some combo of bits that isn't used yet?
 
Essentially, you get money for making the system work.
 
6:39 PM
@LucDanton Yes, like dollars. I got that but you are not doing any real work to produce them. A robot is :)
 
@0A0D True capitalism.
 
@0A0D Right. And a printing press makes bills. 'Mining' is the worst misleading name ever. It's distributed minting.
 
The point of Bitcoins is that they are completely valued by the investments of those involved so that they don't need to be attached to a bank or anything. This means they have no back-up plan.
 
@Xaade go to www.portforwardpodcast.com and listen to the most recent episode, it seems like you really want to understand this topic
we talk about ALL this stuff !! :)
 
@LucDanton 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000??????????????????????????????‌​??????????????????????????????????
 
6:40 PM
I don't really get why hashes are un-reversible
 
There's a hash
 
Mathemagic.
 
surely, the Pigeonhole principle states that when you come to a computation that you can't reverse, you can just make it up
 
So you could replace credit cards with bitcoins?
 
@0A0D You can.
You'd be silly to.
 
6:42 PM
@Poik why?
 
How long does a transaction usually take to be accepted?
 
Well, at it's current fluxuation, the price of bitcoins aren't guaranteed by just about anything, also transactions are not immediate like they are with normal currency.
 
@DeadMG if you have 10*1000 mod 50
@dead
 
@LucDanton That depends.
 
6:43 PM
@DeadMG or 11*1000 mod 50
@DeadMG your answer will always be between 0-49
 
@DeadMG They're not reversible because an arbitrary number of inputs can produce the same result. They are, however, repeatable. A (good) cryptographic hash also makes it infeasible to find a second preimage - i.e., a second input that will produce the same result. Logically, we know they have to exist, but finding an example is unrealistic.
 
@DeadMG there's no way to reverse that calculation
 
@LucDanton "Usually less than a minute" according to my coworker.
 
so it's like some world of warcraft currency? Means nothing in the real world
 
@0A0D How much is a 'real world' currency on a desert island?
 
6:44 PM
But you wait a little more to have the transfer fully verified.
 
@JerryCoffin Great explanation.
 
@Poik Thanks for the clarification
 
It means what people say it means.
 
@LucDanton It's worth it's caloric intake.
 
@0A0D You say that,but people exchange real money for them daily.
 
6:45 PM
@LucDanton As much as it is. If you find a dollar on a desert island, it is still a dollar.
 
If the currency is limited, and people trade with it, then it's valuable.
 
@0A0D Sounds tautological :) A bitcoin is also worth a bitcoin. Is a 1911 dollar as much as a dollar today?
 
@LucDanton Yes and no. You can spend it like a dollar, but you could go on Pawn Stars and maybe get $20 :)
 
Why do pawn shows all have puns on porn names?
 
Because of the intrinsic value
 
6:46 PM
what's up with that?
 
@0A0D I don't mean a bill from 1911, I mean a dollar when it was 1911.
 
Hardcore Pawn
 
@portforwardpodcast So it only relies on the GPU for the calculations? If I made a pretty low end PC with a couple spectacular graphics cards, i could mine a decent amount?
 
@0A0D That's not what intrinsic means.
 
@Collecter yes, infact some people are doing that, with fanless atom cpu's
 
6:47 PM
@0A0D That's a great example with the problem with fiat currency. I'd argue that if you found a dollar on a desert island, it's worth far less than what we accept a value to be worth because it would be useless there - it's outside of it's market. As long as bitcoins have a market that believes in them, they have value. Normal fiat currency has banks and government collaborating to enforce that value. Bitcoin does not and cannot have such enforcement.
 
@LucDanton Yes, it is. The "fundamental value" - check it :)
@Josh Yea, but If I go to a remote island and take the dollar back, it is worth something
 
I read something about how the gov set up a large super computer using PS3s for graphical processing. I wonder if I could do that...
 
@0A0D But then what's the fundamental value of one dollar? A tautological 'one dollar' again?
 
@0A0D Well, you brought it back to the market. My anology was based on inherent worth. In somalia, you trade tablets of salt. Those have value even if noone else on earth exists.
 
You can replace my use of 'instrinsic' by 'in and of itself' if it helps sidestepping the issue.
 
6:50 PM
@Collecter yes they probably could mine on the ps3, but they care more about getting actual data than $$$. They are using it for simulations i believe
 
@Josh Yes, but its being a fiat currency doesn't make much difference. The alternative is generally valuable commodities -- but if you had a pound of gold or a 10 carat diamond on a desert island, how much use would it really be? Despite their (supposed) intrinsic value, their value is still pretty much "what the market will bear".
 
unlike bitcoins, they can print more USD whenever they want
 
Insta-inflation.
 
Most items with truly intrinsic value (food, water, air) also have fairly low value, at least in the normal market).
 
@JerryCoffin Clever, but the gold still has more value than the dollar, because you could craft fishing implements and weapons out of it :P
 
6:51 PM
@portforwardpodcast Are you talking the gov for the super computer? I know they do. Or the people behind bitcoin?
@Josh you cannot make weapons out of gold, too soft
 
I thought gold isn't very good for tools by itself.
 
@0A0D Let's stop the discussion -- I redirect you to Jerry Coffin. I'm on the 'goods have no instrinsic worth' side of the philosophical question, and not just for currency.
 
@Collecter gov super computer
 
@Josh Maybe more valuable than a paper dollar, but a silver dollar would probably be more useful still (harder, more durable metal than gold). A current penny (made from zinc) might be more valuable than either one, and a piece of steel wire almost certainly better than either.
 
@portforwardpodcast Yep. My point was though a cheap efficient way to make use of a good gpu
 
6:53 PM
@JerryCoffin Of course. I would take the diamonds you gave me and make some really serious sand paper, too.
 
Silver makes better hammers than gold.
 
@LucDanton I must of missed something...
 
@MartinhoFernandes The Beatles would agree.
 
@0A0D Referring to what I brought up about the value of one dollar vs the value of one bitcoin.
 
Salt used to be as much or more than gold
 
6:54 PM
Minecraft has taught me that gold is only good for making watches.
 
I believe it was aluminum that was also worth more than gold
 
You can make anything worth something if you convince people of it
Diamonds are expensive because there is a monopoly that controls the diamond market
 
Aluminum was more than gold because it was so hard to purify.

Salt because it was needed to live.
 
While we are speaking in metaphors, on my desert island the only way to get back to civilization is a strange, wonderful machine that is broken because it is missing one element. An element that must be very ductile, cannot corrode when subjected to a wide variety of acids, and must conduct electricity well.
 
@CatPlusPlus Gold is actually good for quite a few things. It's almost immune to corrosion, and (if memory serves) more malleable than almost any other metal -- gold leaf has been made for centuries by simply taking a small nugget, and pounding until you've gotten it down to only a few molecules thick. Most other metals will crack, break, etc., long before that.
 
6:57 PM
Gold therefore has tons of intrinsic value :P
 
Josh you are applying the value to the gold. If I did not want to go back, the gold would be worthless to me.
 
@JerryCoffin Some nobel prizes where "saved" in WW2 because they were temporarily stored as a solution in aqua regia
 
@JerryCoffin Sure, but I don't see how it's infeasible- they're just made up of and, or, xor, etc- if you have (x + y) = 10000, then you can just make up x and y
 
I'm guessing it's wasn't common knowledge for the Nazi's that you can hide gold in a liquid.
@Collecter The washington monument has a cap of aluminum because of it's value at the time.
@DeadMG That's not how it works. You are assuming all math is associative.
 
@DeadMG The algorithm are designed to make that extremely difficult. It's not impossible, just not practical.
 
7:02 PM
@Josh Yes, higher than silver.
 
@DeadMG For a simple hash, it's feasible (or even trivial). A typical cryptographic hash includes (among other things) some table lookups that are relatively hard to reverse (among other things, you normally want to ensure the output is not linearly related to the input).
 
I can't open a jar. It's frustrating.
 
omg i am so happy that I can finally vote up comments. After years of lurking --mooching -- now I can share my happiness, my joy... sigh I don't really understand what I even did to earn this privilege.
 
And then it opens just like that after 20 minutes of trying.
Fucking jars.
 
@JerryCoffin You know your stuff. Have you used Crypto++?
 
7:04 PM
See, all you had to was was trying for 20 minutes.
 
Apparently, all I had to do was complain.
 
@CatPlusPlus hit with a spoon all around next time.
 
@CatPlusPlus I like how all this heady conversation about intrinsic value, crypto, and other rhetorical bullshit is flying around and you keep it real with something that matters - why aren't jars easier to open.
 
Next time, just drop it.
 
I think I'll buy a sword and cut the lid off.
 
7:05 PM
That would be rad.
 
@CatPlusPlus A sword made of ...gold??
 
@CatPlusPlus Usually I have my kids try it for a bit, then after they fail it opens right up.
 
And then you can use it to compile.
 
A sword made of lasers. I shall name it lasersword.
 
What about lightsword?
Or lasersaber?
Or maybe something similar.
 
7:07 PM
No, that's silly.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus What I usually do is to use my pocketknife's screw driver to let air under the lid. Then I pass them to my kids to open them. :)
 
@CatPlusPlus You cannot have a sword made of lasers. You would just chase it around constantly. Which is even funnier since you are holding it.
 
I tried that too. :(
I'm starting to think I was trying in a wrong direction.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus You tried chasing a sword made of lasers which you're holding?
 
@sbi Sounds like a solvable problem in Prolog.
 
7:09 PM
@sbi Cats can't help it.
 
:P
 
Not that I'm a cat.
 
sbi
@Josh You mean, with full backtracking and all?
 
@Josh I've played around with it, but never used it in earnest, so to speak.
 
@sbi Yes!
 
7:10 PM
I tried Crypto++ once, but since all I wanted was to get some string's SHA1 hash I found the interface terribly complicated.
I cracked the RFC open and stole their sample code.
 
@JerryCoffin Me too. It just seems like nostalgic, older programmers are generally espousing it's almost mythological problem solving ability.
 
Don't get me started on Prolog :P
 
@MartinhoFernandes It is pretty complicated. You have to hand it to the guy - he had to take some pretty damn complex stuff, mix that in with some way to generically transform data, and make that all work in C++.
 
I'm also totally not drinking milk right now.
 
7:12 PM
I kinda like cryptlib interface.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah? I haven't used it.
I think a good example of what happens when you try to simplify crypto and how things can go horribly, terribly wrong is PHP's crypto libs
 
You can't spell "PHP" without "terribly wrong".
4
 
@Josh Well, if I needed some hardcore crypto stuff, I might have used it. But I didn't. I just wanted something where I could stuff strings on one end and get hashes on the other. I'm happier with my iostream-like interface to do SHA1 hashes :)
 
How many questions on SO are there about people saying "How do I make X crypto routine in PHP make compatible output/input with library Y in language Z"
 
Haven't seen many of those.
 
7:16 PM
I have on ignore.
 
@MartinhoFernandes I've stumbled across a couple in my ~2month tenure on SO, so I figured there must be several
 
I don't have it on ignore. It's one of the top 40 tags.
 
1
Q: Why does fprintf print extra values

deciduousI want to encode tags that will contain a field number and a wire type for the purpose of protocol buffers. The problem that I am having now is that whenever my value for 'tag' is below '8' fprintf writes additional values next to the correct ones. i.e. instead of 38 it prints 38c0 3. If the valu...

 
If I get 15 upvotes in it, I'm one step closer to the Generalist badge :)
Wait... I already have 15 upvotes in PHP.
 
I have 32.
 
7:17 PM
Ok, it's on ignore now.
Most of my php upvotes are from regex questions that happened to be tagged with php :)
 
@Josh Going from (admittedly distant) recollection, it did seem to be pretty decently designed. I'm not sure I'd go a lot further than that though.
 
@0A0D Did he quietly fix his code in his question? Is that the relevance?
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I have many times more tags on "ignore" than I have on "watch".
 
@0A0D Ugh, what an ugly indentation.
@sbi Me too.
 
Yes that and he fixed the code without notifying the other answerers
 
7:20 PM
@sbi Me too. When I came to that realization my ego became decidedly smaller :)
 
sbi
@Josh ???
 
@0A0D That's pretty terrible. He wasted time, didn't give any credit to the answers, and his "question" was more like "Please debug this for me"
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus And are you also sitting on your bum, stretching one of your hind legs into the air, and cleaning the area exposed by that with your tongue?
 
@sbi I realized more about what I didn't know I didn't know
 
@sbi I hardly bother with either one. The New Q! extension works better than the web site's watch/ignore.
 
7:22 PM
@sbi No.
 
sbi
@Josh Ah. Well, it's long ago that I had illusions in that regard.
 
@Josh sure candidate for the WTF category
 
Let's start .
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Mhmm. So far all I've tried was RSS, and that was decidedly to slow in pointing out questions in order to earn rep. But then I don't use Chrom either, so...
@CatPlusPlus Why not? Cleaning's what cats do after they had food (drank milk), isn't it?
 
@0A0D See, now that's what I don't get. I think this kind of noise is clearly harmful to stack overflow, but if you look at the question I posted earlier where the asker made the decisive mistake of asking for an example instead of an example explicity, he was burned at the stake. It really seems like arbitrary policing.
 
sbi
7:25 PM
@Josh Mob policy is always arbitrary.
 
@Josh Depends on the views the question gets too
 
@sbi That would definitely put a cramp on things (though it wouldn't surprise me if there was an equivalent for FF, etc.)
 
Meta police, to serve and remove comments!
 
@0A0D The only person this question could ever benefit is the original asker, because it's not generic at all, therefore, it really is noise because it populates searches and is guaranteed to not be applicable to anyone ever again.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Well, for the one or two questions I answer per week I really don't need all that. :)
 
@Josh That's why I voted too localized
 
@MartinhoFernandes I lol'd off my chair. This applies to an entire class of misunderstanding, of which I wish I knew the name for.
 
@Josh Sounds like a typical SO fight :)
 
@0A0D Ah ok. One day, when I get such privileges, I will be sure to join the ranks of the meta police.
 
No, no, you got it wrong.
We're the resistance here.
2
 
7:30 PM
@CatPlusPlus I'm not sure we qualify as much of a resistance, but definitely "The gallery", complete with plenty of catcalls...
 
@CatPlusPlus Damn @CatPlusPlus, going for a star award?
 
Hm..."Lounge<C++>: the gallery, complete with catcalls" Has kind of a ring to it, doesn't it? -- and nobody's edited the name in, like, minutes now.
 
@Josh Already got that long ago.
 
serious question though.. should a driver have knowledge of the communication to the application.. meaning if I have a driver that talks to an upconverter and the driver receives commands over TCP/IP, should the driver know that or does it care? To me all it needs to know is what command to execute, not connect to the socket directly.
 
@0A0D I don't think so.
 
7:34 PM
But having more stars on the board than @sbi is always good.
 
@0A0D Make the API independent of the communication details, so they can be improved later. One day you decide to go to 0mq or the like, why make the client care about the details?
@0A0D Or add support for SSL or something.... lots of reasons
 
YAGNI.
 
That's my thought. It's not my driver, but we have the source and want to use the driver but it is too coupled
 
Don't overblow your architecture just because there is some hypothetical possibility that you might need something.
 
@CatPlusPlus I think you can actually remove quite a bit of complication from the driver by making an API.
 
7:36 PM
It uses a proprietary messaging over TCP/IP to talk to the driver. We want to make it standardized but we have to rip out the TCP/IP messaging.
 
@0A0D See, if the person in the first place did this with the API this would be a much easier change - my point exactly :)
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, sometimes I let you win. <strokes_cat's_head/>
 
@sbi I'm just more shiny.
And cute.
 
@Josh I think it was rushed. Our customer provided the driver, now I have to break the bad news
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Ah, so you did lick yourself, after all!
 
7:38 PM
Well, I don't have a girlfriend.
 
class MutableBoolean
{
public boolean value = true;

public MutableBoolean(boolean v)
{
value = v;
}
}
 
@0A0D I've seen that before.
 
Looking at TDWTF, huh?
 
What the fuck. Don't just attack us with a Java code.
 
Ah, yeah, yesterday's DWTF.
 
7:40 PM
@0A0D Stuff like this makes me think OOP exists for the wrong reasons.
 
That's not C++.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I can't believe some of this stuff exists in the real world
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, freudian slip
 
Not really OOP either.
 
Ok, how about this? :)

private boolean isLoggingEnabled() {
return MAX_NUMBER_ATTACHMENTS != -1;
}
 
7:40 PM
@0A0D I've been an avid reader of TDWTF, so I'm pretty much immune at this point.
 
@CatPlusPlus My point. No benefit, all the scaffolding.
 
(At least I like to think I am)
 
@0A0D enum Bool { FALSE, TRUE, FILE_NOT_FOUND };
 
@CatPlusPlus Maybe
 
Here, some C#: typeof(string).GetField("Empty").SetValue(null, " ");
 
7:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus I knew there always was a third case :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Brillant!
 
@CatPlusPlus Today we salute you, Mr. Crappy Programmer Guy
 
While the rest of us write code properly and know how to use bool, you say screw the false dichotomies and write your own...
 
7:44 PM
@CatPlusPlus It was better in the original though -- enum { TRUE, FALSE, FILE_NOT_FOUND};, which adds insult to injury by making TRUE=0, FALSE=1.
 
Well, it's like hiding a #define true false somewhere in a header file.
 
Needs more cool cam.
 
@CatPlusPlus It can save any project!
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I linked to it even. :P I didn't remember that particular detail.
FileNotFound cracks me up every time.
 
 
7:46 PM
Holy height, Batman!
 
Someone's going crazy.
 
int arr[10];

for ( int i = 0; i < 10; ++i ) {
   i[arr] = i;
}
 
@0A0D You have a limited amount of those stars, you know. :P
 
@Josh Does that even build?
 
@CatPlusPlus Shit :)
 
7:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Well, actually....
 
@CatPlusPlus Guess it isn't anonymous
 
@Josh When the IOCCC was new, that was pretty cute, but it's a bit stale now...
 
It is, but it's quite obvious when you star everything except your own messages, which you can't.
 
@JerryCoffin What is the IOCCC? I guess I should just google it...
 
@CatPlusPlus I'll be sneakier next
time
 
7:49 PM
International Obfuscated C Contest.
Or something with one more C.
 
C Code ?
 
@Josh Definitely. International Obfuscated C Code Contest. Lots of fun for all.
 
Oh, I've heard of this before. I should have known someone else discovered this strange bit of the C language
 
Everyone reverses index and the array name on their first trip.
 
for(c = buf;*c;c++) {
if(isdigit(*c)) {
if(!ws) { // new number, increment location.
ws = 1; x++;
if(x >= width * 3) {
y++; x = 0;
}
}
if(x > rx * 3 && x <= (rx + rwidth) * 3 && y > ry && y < ry + rheight)
putchar('0');
else
putchar(*c);

} else {
ws = 0;
putchar(*c);
}
}
from underhanded C contest
 
7:51 PM
I remember that one.
 
Man, MEF's got some horrendous error reporting. If an exception happens during part instantiation, bam, the only thing you get is some random exception with meaningless stacktrace and the original message appended at the end of that exception's message. Result: you know what happened, but you don't know where it happened.
 
THE STARS ARE GOING OUT!
 
There, I needed to vent a bit.
 
I know I have recycled that #include </dev/stdin> from the IOCCC for my own cppshell. Not that I use it that often but it is nifty.
 
@Josh Going there, I notice it's now mirrored at Wall Drug, which seems fitting, in some strange way.
 
7:52 PM
My favorite of the underhanded contest was where they encoded 0 as 0, 00, or 000, subtly giving away more information that they were supposed to. It was for a redacting application
 
@CatPlusPlus BAD WOLF
 
@EtiennedeMartel Good lad.
 
@JerryCoffin Wall Drug?
 
sbi
yesterday, by sbi
@Als Someone got a little bit excited and jacked off to starring all messages. I went after them and cleaned up the mess^Wstars.
 
@JerryCoffin walldrug.com ?
 
7:53 PM
@sbi So you're, like, a star sheriff.
With a star.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I'm just a grumpy old man who doesn't put up with such nonsense.
 
@Josh Yup -- that's the one. One of the strangest tourist traps on the planet.
 
My favorite comment of the day
2 hours ago, by Xaade
@Josh My brain was the code.
 
Wall Drug — America's Favorite Roadside Attraction!
I can't even think it with a straight face.
 
sbi
Mhmm. I've lost one rep in the last few hours. My record doesn't show any downvoting. What happened?
 
7:56 PM
recalc?
 
Rep gnomes are about.
 
sbi
@DeadMG I suppose a recalc would lose me much more. At least, that's what it does every time I start one.
 
@sbi What, you expect with only 40000 MIPs and 400 MegaFLOPs worth of computers that they can count?
 
maybe you got lucky
 
@sbi Maybe your rep has reached critical mass and is starting to decay
 
7:57 PM
maybe you got .. fradulently upvoted? they have a script to check these things, right?
 
sbi
@Josh Yeah, looking at stackoverflow.com/users?tab=reputation&filter=all, that seems so likely.
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, their buffalo burgers are pretty good anyway. If you've never been there, the badlands really are worth seeing.
 
Reversed upvote would be -10, not -1, wouldn't it?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Yeah, according to stackoverflow.com/reputation, I#d lose another 14 on recalc.
@JerryCoffin Actually I do. In fact, I still believe they're counting alright, I just don't grok the algorithm.
 
@JerryCoffin I've never been anywhere near USA. Hell, I've never been anywhere outside my country.
 
sbi
7:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus That's what you get if an old question gets deleted, and you lose your one upvote on the answer.
 

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