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5:32 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb >my code is managed by subversion
lol
 
 
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6:41 AM
printf("%d*c%d" i,j)
here what does *c means?
 
it's just text
however, you're missing a comma
so maybe you didn't type the rest exactly as it was in the code
 
6:58 AM
even MIT has a sense of humour
From the MIT C++ Course Description:
Ever hang your head in shame after your Python program wasn't as fast as your friend's C program?
Yes! A million times...
 
 
2 hours later…
9:29 AM
man
my mother loves to harass me :(
 
9:43 AM
Ahh, a candle operator! This language can't stop to amuse me :D
It sounds like "here, take this to brighten your path through the mess that follows".
 
9:58 AM
@DeadMG 0_o , in what ways?
templates are way harder than i thought , too much theory , also practice needed to understand them :(
 
man
I'm so sick
need to spend some days resting in bed
but I also must spent all my time rushing around for accomodation
 
@DeadMG still suffering from cold?
 
and its getting worse
colds always own me
 
@DeadMG take complete rest man , rather than sitting next to laptop or desktop. Cold is something that goes by itself
 
I'd like to
but I really can;t
I've got nowhere to live and temporary accomodation is unbelievably expensive
 
10:12 AM
@DeadMG umm.. don't have anything to say. just hold it together. I am also in similar situation but without cold (searching job here in diff. places :( )
Can't even watch pr0n with 56 kbps connection lol
 
lol
owch, that's even worse than my cup and string internet here
 
@DeadMG did you apply for some job? , you're so good in c++ , i'm sure you'll easily get one
 
no, I need to finish my degree
 
@DeadMG without degree nothing?
 
due to the massive amount of dicking around the University has done, then this is the third week of term starting tomorrow
and I've nowhere to live by University
yes, no jobs without degree here
 
10:18 AM
@DeadMG Seriously i hate this when some good talent has to go through all this , and the guyz who even don't know about what is compilation gets per month $800
 
I know
but you have to also look at it from the employer's point of view, especially in the current climate
for every position, they get 100 applicants
how much it costs to search through all of those?
much cheaper and faster to just throw all the applications with no degree
 
@DeadMG here in , i see line of around 2k to 4k fresher students for a single(or 4-6 positions) job
 
yeah
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Read this as an, in my opinion, reasonable view from the other POV. (I have been on both sides of the fence, and I can ensure you it's not pretty, either.)
 
plus, as @sbi will tell you, "so good in C++" is subjective
I'm pretty certain he wouldn't hire me
 
10:24 AM
@DeadMG see from my POV , i am nothing , so you're good for me , can't say what sbi would do :)
 
sbi
@DeadMG I'm not sure, but from what I know my current opinion on the matter is no, I wouldn't. But that has nothing to do with your C++ skills. If anything, your knowledge of C++ and ability to grasp new concepts are, from what I see here, a clear vote in your favor.
But a successful project team is a lot more than a bunch of prima ballerina programmers.
 
yes
and I'll be happy to admit that I don't really like other people and can be pretty hard to get on with
 
@sbi yes i agree with the answers but it's just since i am going though all this that i can't stop thinking one sided :D ...
I wish i could have elders wand :D , i wouldn't worry about money or job , can patiently learn c++ or whatever i want to do :)
 
sbi
Where are you looking for a job, @MrAnubis?
 
@sbi umm.. in Bangalore :)
actually there is point in life when you're pissed of reading and learning ( i accept I know very less) and all you want is to get job and interleave the learning process while doing job (enjoyingly , free of mind) , i am in such state
 
sbi
10:36 AM
@MrAnubis Ah, not a job market I know anything about then. :(
 
@sbi basically this place is IT hub of India
 
Indian Silicon Valley
 
sbi
@MrAnubis I think I know how you are feeling. When I studied, I had to do a practical semester. When that was over, I was -really_ looking forward to do more learning again finishing my studies. But after a few weeks of dreadfully bad lectures and stupid exercises, I really had it, and all I wanted to do was to finish my studies and get hacking for a living. So I put a lot of effort into getting that done.
It took some years, though, because the practical semester was supposed to be in the middle of the studies. (And also my first child was born back then, making me taking a sabbatical twice for half a year each time.)
And then my first job was a real disappointment, to say the least. I ran after 13 months, and should have run much earlier.
 
my head
it no worky
 
sbi
@MrAnubis I'm not sure I'm getting what "being a hub of something" means, but it doesn't seem to sound like it would make it harder to get a job. So what is your problem? Have you just started? Does it take longer than you anticipated? Do you miss important qualifications? Did you happen to hit a bad spot in time economically?
 
10:47 AM
life is so full of struggle sometimes . I really appreciate that you told some part of yous :). Don't know what will happen in future but i just will keep doing what i am doing :)
 
sbi
Ugh, that is smelling suspiciously from the oven, I think I need to have a look at my pork... afk
 
@sbi All the software and IT companies are there , off campus job in India is very harder for anyone due to competition and population (like me , a Nepali , is also here for job)
 
sbi
Ugh, that was a very close shave. I almost spoiled our dinner.
 
@sbi umm.. no more yummy?
 
sbi
@MrAnubis "Almost" being the keyword here. :)
 
10:50 AM
@sbi Bon appetit!
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Ok, so the IT companies are there, which seems to indicate that my suspicion this makes it easier to get a job was right. What does "off campus jobs are harder" mean, though? Do you mean it's easy to get a job at the university? Or as a student?
@MrAnubis Oh, it's going to be another five or six hours until this is due. We just had a (very late) breakfast an hour ago.
 
@sbi yes job at university, but i am sure i'll get job(whether in weeks or months) , i am not that idiot :)
 
@sbi you're not supposed to shave your dinner :|
or into your dinner, or whatever it was you were doing
 
@sbi food word made me hungry
 
sbi
@jalf But pork with bristles is not nice either. :)
 
10:53 AM
@sbi i never ate pork before :)
 
sbi
@MrAnubis What is this, a cultural thing, a taboo, or lack of money?
@MrAnubis Well, I hope you will find a job soon! Just keep hammering at it.
Of course, the situation here might be totally different from yours, but my experience is that, if you do what you enjoy doing, you have a good chance to become really good at it, and that in turn increases your chance of getting a good job.
It's certainly harder when you apply for a first job, though.
 
@sbi it's just we don't have pork meat in shops , just chiken and goat's meat
 
sbi
@MrAnubis So it's more of a cultural thing, IIUC? Keeping pigs is just not common there?
 
@sbi hmm.. we have pigs , but demand is very less , since Hindu's don't like eating pork i think ( i'm not very sure about my answer)
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Ah, I see. Seems to be more like pork in the middle east then. :)
 
11:00 AM
@sbi :)
 
sbi
Gosh, I love these two singing a duet. Unfortunately, very shortly after this was taken, Katie came down with a food poisoning (she actually had to be taken to the hospital later in the evening), so we only saw Greg all alone on stage that night. That was good, too and he surely is a discovery. (Originally we just went just to see her.) But after seeing this video I really would have liked to see them playing together life.
Yeah, I know, most of you young folks severely under-appreciate good acoustical music. But I value it.
 
@MrAnubis What theory?
 
11:19 AM
my head, it no worky
 
I'm Vegan
 
sbi
@vivek Are we now supposed to make similar personal confessions about us? :) Here's mine: I have way too many kids.
 
@sbi Well it's a personal choice.
@MrAnubis hindus shouldn't eat meat technically, but if someone does eat then what difference does it make if it's a pig, cow, goat or dog.
 
@vivek If you ordered a veg salad and meat was accidentally put on it, would you eat it?
 
I eat babies.
 
11:26 AM
@Pubby8 no.
 
@vivek Why not?
 
people don't like having served the wrong thing
@Pubby8 coz I'm a vegan
 
@vivek Are you a vegan for health reasons?
 
@vivek but it is just a choice
 
@Pubby8 Yes, and also coz I'm too kind hearted
 
11:28 AM
you can still make exceptions. if the salad was expensive..
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I wouldn't
 
@Pubby8 not funny
 
what does it have to do with being kind hearted
 
@Pubby8 Well I can prove That whoever wrote that is simply Stupid
 
11:30 AM
animals die for you everytime in your body
 
@vivek agreed
 
poor bacteria
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Yes.. so ?
 
Oh, if it's okay to kill bacteria, I guess it's okay to kill humans?
 
11:30 AM
@sbi That's a fantastic video
 
Also, we don't kill them, we need them, and they thrive in our body.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Technically they're not animals...
 
You couldn't digest anything without bacteria.
 
If you think about it, bacteria have done a lot more stuff than humans. I think they deserve to live.
 
11:31 AM
but we need animal meat too if we eat it
 
I don't follow that logic.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb You can live very even without meat
 
i'm too clever for you. you can't follow. I'm so sad :(
 
At least half of my friends never had meat or eggs. So it's not completely impossible
 
11:33 AM
oh
but animals kill other animals too
even those animals that could also live without meat
 
those asshole animals
 
Animals also piss and poop where they sleep. So what?
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Their is a difference between animals and humans, I guess
 
I confess that without killing animals, our whole nature system would shut down and crash altogether. we would be swamped with flies and whatnot, we could not breathe anymore.
 
sbi
@vivek I know (and so is mine), but I was wondering why you would come here and start talking by throwing your personal choices into the discussion.
 
11:35 AM
sometimes it's time for some animal to say "goodbye, I hope my death will help!"
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Actually, so very few animals do this that you could call them anomals, really.
 
@sbi Oh, that. I saw their was a conversation about meat goin on, with you and anubis
 
sbi
@vivek Ah, now I get it. Sorry, there was like 10mins inbetween and I failed to make the connection.
 
@sbi It seems there was a big time interval that had passed, which I failed to notice
yes
@JohannesSchaublitb funny
 
sbi
@vivek Yeah, I guess nobody had posted anything in between, but I had been all over the apartment in those ten minutes, doing other stuff, and therefore failed.
 
11:39 AM
I see nothing wrong with killing humans, as long as it serves a good purpose
 
@sbi I thought you had warped into another dimension were 10 min were 10 hours. ;)
 
sbi
@vivek Mentally, I did. :)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb If it's a really good purpose, then I agree
 
@vivek Define good purpose
 
yes. like for science. if they want to find out something about human behavior, I think it is OK to use humans.
 
11:42 AM
 
@Pubby8 like when a man's on a suicide bombing mission to kill clueless innocent people, then you can definitely kill him
 
sbi
@FredOverflow What <beep/> reasoning is that? The thing is that you will have to draw a line somewhere, and most people draw it this side of digesting bacteria, and the other side of digesting humans. Between those two extremes there's a lot of room for everyone to draw the line where they want.
Arguing "I don't want to be cruel and eat anything but plants" will inevitably lead to bickering, because it's definitely wrong. (At the very least, why should the ant you just trampled care that you don't eat it?) Everybody has to draw the line somewhere, and putting this as absolute statements is just clouding the issue.
 
@sbi Of course there is, I was being sarcastic.
 
@vivek I would say that it NOT ok if that man kills them because of illness or something
if he is not ill but kills them out of free will, then I think it's OK to get rid of him
 
How do you know he is ill?
 
11:44 AM
@JohannesSchaublitb Illnes ?
 
like, if he hears voices telling him to kill them
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Yeah, I was wondering, but couldn't let that stand as it is, especially given that someone even starred it.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb then he should listen to RHCP songs
 
@sbi That someone is me.
my bad
 
sbi
11:46 AM
@vivek You were a very likely candidate, of course. :)
 
It's just that I liked Fred's sarcasm
 
@vivek you can't starr your own messages
 
@JohannesSchaublitb and I did not even try. believe me
 
oh I thought yu refer to he "If it'S a really good purpose..." thing.
 
I starred fred's
 
11:47 AM
question of the day!
 
sbi
OK, so I know there's services that let you upload a youtube link and will convert the video to an mp3, mpeg, and whatnot. I am very sure of this, since I had used one a while ago. However, I lost the link. Does someone here happen to know a good one of these?
 
if there is an innocent guy on the one side, and 100 innocent guys on the other side, and there is something that requires you to kill the one guy to save the 100 other guys, do you think that it is OK to do that act of murder?
 
The Google results look pretty promising
but I've no experience with any results
 
@sbi If super sbi can't then I doubt I can
 
@JohannesSchaublitb You've been watching too many movies.
 
11:49 AM
hmm
 
@JohannesSchaublitb I will have to know the worth of all those people
 
sbi
@DeadMG What keywords did you use? The one I used seemed Ok to me, and maybe I would recognize it.
 
everyone has the whole worth on earth
 
giving different people different worth is evil
of course it'S a different thing if one of those people are relatives
 
11:50 AM
 
@JohannesSchaublitb So you value Gosling just as much as Stroustrup?
 
sbi
@DeadMG Thanks, I'll try them!
@FredOverflow Haha, a good one!
15 hours ago, by sbi
Herb Sutter: "Is there a programming language that is the best choice for all (or nearly all) application development?" Dennis Ritchie: "No, this is silly." Bjarne Stroustrup: "No. People differ too much for that and their applications differ too much. [...]" James Gosling: "I think the one that has the best broad coverage is Java [...]" What. A. Prick.
 
@FredOverflow i like stroustrup more (from what I can tell from conversions with him). but the level of sympathy would not change my decision not to prefer any of them for a potential act of murder in the sense discussed above
 
Can't I star a message from history?
I really want to star this Gosling = Prick one
 
@vivek you can. just scroll up in the main view until you hit it
it's only 15 hours
 
sbi
11:54 AM
@vivek In the transcript, you can. Just click on the date link, then do as @Johannes says.
 
also you can click the arrow on the left and then "star as interesting", I think
 
Yes I did it
@JohannesSchaublitb I couldn't get the other one's so used this method
 
it's mine now <3
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Nice. So you like South Koreans ;)
 
@JohannesSchaublitb There's only one button.
 
12:01 PM
two more buttons in the bottom
but they are soft.
 
3 buttons? Wow is that fancy!
 
sbi
12:34 PM
Well, here's one thing I really should have known, but which obviously needed to be rubbed in one more time: Do not go chatting while you are attempting to cook. :( Or if you do, at least take the notebook to the kitchen.
After I got the roast (the one I nearly burnt) out of the oven I kind of slacked, feeling like I had turned away the penultimate dinner disaster, and forgot about the gravy I had then put onto the fire. That backfired badly. I wonder whether I will ever get that stove fully clean again, and the pot looks very bad, too. Sigh. I now feel like a 21 year old ADHS victim.
I wonder what I will sell my kids for gravy for the dinner. Does anyone have a good idea?
 
Now you know how my cooking looks like.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus What? You keep forgetting you're doing it? So are you a 21 year old ADHS victim? :)
 
Happens.
What did Arizona Department of Health Services do to you? :.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus See, I'm not a great cook, but I like to think my cooking is good enough, probably at least on par with my mother's, who is at average housewife level, I guess. But forgetting you are cooking is bound to make you fail.
@CatPlusPlus Ah. It seems it's called ADHD in English. Sorry.
 
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
 
12:46 PM
Silly benchmarks, part one of many:
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Q: c++ vector performance non intuitive result?

Daniel Gratzam fiddling with the performance wizard in vs 2010, the one that tests instrumentation (function call counts and timing.) After learning about vectors in c++ STL, i just decide to see what info i can get about performance of filling a vector with 1 million integers: #include <iostream> #i...

 
1:01 PM
heh
 
someday, I will get used to the culture separation thing
got downvoted for calling someone a nonce
 
lol...yeah, it did come across as a bit rude. oh well. :)
 
well, the OP was being a bit wtf
he didn't post his code with reserve, so there's a good chance he was calling it in the loop
and then there's this gem
"I just freshly installed a trial of visual studio ultimate 2010, haven't done any optimization as i haven't learnt how. So i just press the green button basically. Clicking on performance wizard does this for me."
Perhaps the smart thing to do would have been to at least look at the tooltips of the buttons, and the project configuration, which have "DEBUG" written all over them
 
Why did he say 1 week if his account is 3 months old?
 
anyway
a nonce is really an extremely minor thing to be called
oh well
it's not like -2 rep is a big deal for me
unless he wants to downvote me 20,000 times
 
sbi
1:16 PM
@DeadMG You know, I considered downvoting it, but then thought I couldn't be bothered. That would have been a good comment, but it's a bad answer.
 
why would you call someone a nonsensical never-reused token used in cryptography?
 
I have to admit, I have absolutely no idea what a nonce even is
but at least here, it's a pretty trivial thing
 
well, I just told you ;)
 
I has been told
 
In security engineering, nonce is an arbitrary number used only once to sign a cryptographic communication. It is similar in spirit to a nonce word, hence the name. It is often a random or pseudo-random number issued in an authentication protocol to ensure that old communications cannot be reused in replay attacks. For instance, nonces are used in HTTP digest access authentication to calculate an MD5 digest of the password. The nonces are different each time the 401 authentication challenge response code is presented, thus making replay attacks virtually impossible. It is basically a cryp...
 
1:18 PM
anyway, I live and learn, it's hardly a big cost
 
that which does not kill you makes you stronger?
 
preferably, that which does not cost me a significant amount of reputation should teach me a lesson?
but I accept your answer to be more generic
 
lol
 
more importantly, now I have to actually call people to arrange viewings for accommodation
I dislike speaking to random people on the phone :(
 
sbi
@DeadMG And the lesson should be: However harmless the name calling, it wouldn't have been hard to put this into polite words. (And if it would have been, why bother to answer at all? I certainly didn't bother.)
 
1:22 PM
@DeadMG who needs to be accomodated?
 
tis true
I do
I'm supposed to be at university doing my degree but have nowhere to live
 
ah
that sucks
 
yeah
temporary accommodation very expensive
maybe the university will help me pay for it
 
why do you have nowhere to live?
 
because either I was going to commit to paying £4000 for a place to live when I might fail my degree and not need it or have income to pay for it
or I didn't commit until I knew I needed it and could afford it- which, because the University dicked me around for so long, is only recently
 
1:25 PM
ah
in other news, I wish 32 bit software was dead and buried
 
why?
 
the hoops I have to jump through to to keep my STM library working in 32-bit builds are getting silly
 
I thought that 32bit was easier for thread-related libraries, because x86 can atomically CAS two pointers, or something like that
 
sbi
@jalf Why go to the trouble to bury it? Just let it rot.
 
because I need efficient atomic loads and stores of 64-bit values, and the sanest way I've found to pull that off is using MMX, which means I have to emulate all the arithmetic operations I need
 
1:28 PM
32-bit will be dead about 5 years after Intel or AMD announce 128-bit CPUs.
 
using the most crippled instruction set ever concieved of
@DeadMG So can 64-bit. It has a 128-bit CAS :)
 
sbi
We are constantly fighting out-of-address-space situations, because we have some components (in-house and 3rd-party) which are only slowly being ported to 64bit, some of which are hard to put into their own process. It's so frustrating.
 
funny, I swear I read on MSDN that it didn't
 
but I don't actually need to CAS pointers at all. Until yesterday, I only needed 16-bit CAS, which was np. Now I need it for 64-bit integers too, even in 32-bit mode, and that's just a bitch when your 64-bit ints are represented as MMX registers
 
suggests here that the Interlocked API supports interlocked writes of 64bit values on x86
and is "optimized" on x64
 
1:30 PM
@DeadMG yeah, it does
my point was that the same API supports 128 bit values on x64 :)
 
lol
 
because being able to CAS two pointers is so essential for a lot of things
but again, I don't actually need that. What I need is just robust and efficient handling of 64 bit unsigned integers
 
should be able to CAS a 64bit integer in 32bit mode?
 
@DeadMG Yes, that's what I'm saying! I never denied that the function existed! ;)
 
lol
so what's the problem?
I'm a bit lost
 
1:33 PM
a: in 32 bit mode, my 64 bit values are represented by __m64 values (MMX registers), which means I need an awful lot of ugly casts and conversions to convert it into an in64 (which is what CAS expects)
 
ok
 
and b: I need to load/store 64-bit values as a single instruction, and if I just use uint64/long long, the compiler will emulate it by generating two loads or two stores, which breaks atomicity
 
why are they in MMX registers?
 
that's why I had to resort to MMX
 
ah, ok
 
1:34 PM
oh, and c: because MMX allows me to carry out some operations more efficiently than the emulated stuff you get with long long
it's just a pain to work with :D
 
so you need __m64 for atomic loads and instructions, and you need uint64 for CAS
 
yep
and I need it all to be fast, so conversions between scalars and MMX just make me cringe
 
well, you can get an atomic store on a 64bit variable with msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms683593(v=VS.85).aspx
 
yeah, and I'm tempted to experiment with that, but the interlocked intrinsics generate memory barriers, which would make it slower than necessary
I could use CAS as an atomic load too, btw
 
yeah
 
1:37 PM
so the interlocked API would actually solve both load and store
 
I was just thinking that I don't see an atomic load
 
it'd just be slow because of the memory barriers
 
but will the MMX casting stuff be even slower?
the compiler might optimize away some memory barriers/etc if it's ballsy and smart
 
depends on how often it's done. I don't know yet
but I also need to do a bunch of comparisons and such on these values, and many of them can be done a bit more efficiently with MMX
because you can operate on the upper and lower values simultaneously
but again, until yesterday, I didn't need the CAS part, so I didn't have the additional MMX casting
 
yeah
and the Interlocked API offers no InterlockedMin or anything like that
 
1:38 PM
now the need for that popped up, which is just making me sad
 
which is really quite curious, because HLSL does
rare to find a feature that GPUs offer that CPUs don't, except raw performance
 
Well, the interlocked functions have a different purpose. They're a synchronization mechanism, basically. HLSL is all about SIMD and vectorization
 
the Interlocked functions in HLSL serve synchronization as well- between GPU threads/blocks/etc
 
ah right
 
in fact, the whole point of the new designs is that actually, SIMD wasn't proving very effective anymore
 
1:40 PM
anyway, looking on the bright side, I've learned a lot about the crazy idiosyncracies and limitations of MMX
 
because people were writing more complex shaders that simply didn't execute in parallel
 
HLSL is still basically a SIMD language. The underlying hardware is just moving away from a strict SIMD execution model
 
oh yeah, the architecture is basically SIMD
the problem is that those instructions aren't lock-step anymore
it's still SIMD- if you consider the whole shader as one instruction
 
but seriously, why would anyone design an instruction set which (1) corrupts the fp registers, (2) supports signed, but not unsigned ints, (3), has >, but not >= or < instructions?
I wonder what Intel's engineers were smoking
never mind that they marketed a set of integer-only instructions as multimedia extensions, which by itself is just ridiculous
 
lolwot
 
1:47 PM
They're smoking past CPUs.
 
damn, I really want to find that paper talking about VLIW and Fermi architectures
 
btw, I could abuse doubles to solve my single-instruction load/store problem too, but converting between double and int is potentially pretty slow too
 
Hasn't MMX been deprecated for a couple of years now?
 
@FredOverflow I don't think so. It's gone from 64-bit mode, but it's still a part of 32 bit
and it'd be insane to remove it
 
I mean in the sense that you shouldn't program for it anymore, because there are better alternatives.
 
1:48 PM
well, I'm not aware of any :)
for my use case, that is
admittedly, my use case is pretty unusual
for most things I'd definitely use SSE2 instead
I wonder if I could do something like load 64 bits into the lower half of a SSE register as a double, and then process it in the register as a vector of ints
 
you know, I've been thinking about AMP
 
SSE needs a reinterpret_cast :D
 
I think that it could yield vastly faster performance for games
 
@DeadMG but isn't the GPU already fully loaded up for most games?
 
yes
I was talking about effectively, using it to directly replace DX11 and write your own rendering system from scratch
 
1:52 PM
ah
 
I had an interesting question on this at StackOverflow, and DirectX itself actually doesn't do much except abstraction
pixel filling algorithms, and a little else
but the reality is that virtually all of the pipeline is now shaders
 
but then you'd have to do everything in software, where DX11 can make use of all the fixed-function bits that still exist on the GPU
 
that's true
 
there's still plenty that's not shaders
 
that's also true- but AMP should still be able to access them via the Compute shader
the reason I think that this can yield better performance is because you can write smarter algorithms
for example, shadow mapping
 
1:54 PM
@DeadMG hmm, I don't see how, tbh
 
it occurs to me that if you're playing a game, then actually, from one frame to the next, the shadow maps won't change much- if at all
 
but yeah, I see your point, and there are definitely advantages as well
 
it should be possible to take large advantage of temporal coherency
 
especially if you want to do some kind of "alternative" rendering mechanism
 
not to mention there are new depth buffer algorithms that produce much higher image quality than the existing one
for example
in DX11, it's realistically impossible to take advantage of a lot of temporal coherency
you can't, for example, only project those vertices that need it
you have to re-project every vertex, about 20 times a frame
whereas I was thinking in AMP that you could run a smarter algorithm that would only re-project if it was needed
I haven't played with it much, but that's just my opinion- that you could use it to write much, much smarter algorithms than are possible using the existing specialized systems
 

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