Conversation started Apr 4, 2015 at 7:54.
Apr 4, 2015 07:54
Fair enough.
Also:
graphics for C++?
Hopefully never
idk I think it might help C++ as a more versatile programming tool.
Of course, we'd use other stuff.
@Cinch Vulkan and DX12 and Mantle not enough for you? :)
waste of committee time
Apr 4, 2015 07:58
@MarkGarcia No, C++/Graphics not for power, but rather for more learning and surface prototyping
i.e. if I want a graphical prototype I can use C++
and NOT have to jump through more hoops
@Cinch Herb Sutter would love you!
@MarkGarcia (who's herb)
Why do you think the Standard Committee can help with that, and/or should?
@LucDanton I think it should be just a standard extension.
i.e. make it linkable to the standard library if desired.
That’s not an answer to what I asked.
Apr 4, 2015 08:00
Because it would help make C++ be more generalized and "friendly"
I’m not asking the details of what you want. But whatever it is you want, why should it fall within the SC’s lap?
It would increase it's competitiveness
C++ is not a product, the SC is not a company.
And yet they still try to take cues from other programming languages
Apr 4, 2015 08:01
What?
@LucDanton The guy himself in the video said that they want to remain relevant and competitve
It’s one guy. Not the whole of the SC. (Not to mention the ISO, national bodies etc..)
Although I don't think C++ should have an absolutely standard graphics library, I think it would be helpful to have a standard graphical I/O library or something
And isn't that guy chair of...
He can’t overrule the votes.
But he's also chair of one of the 4 major groups
Apr 4, 2015 08:03
19 secs ago, by Luc Danton
He can’t overrule the votes.
he only gets one vote
@LucDanton They had a vote on this right?
Where is it?...
nowhere because it's in a study group
it hasn't been formally proposed AFAIK
@Rapptz Oh, but there IS a study group then...
not particularly special to have one
Apr 4, 2015 08:06
I never said that it needs to be.
It wasn't an attack.
Wonder when the next meeting is
@Rapptz Next month
Kansas.
Perhaps they could find a way to wrap Vulkan or something.
meh.
Perhaps that belongs in languages like Java
This is exactly what I mean.
yeah we know
That's Herb's crazy proposal.
That's the SG I'm talking about.
SG13.
@Rapptz It's pretty rational though
No it isn't.
Apr 4, 2015 08:12
Why?
It's a waste of committee time.
@Rapptz That's not a reason.
Alright I'll bite.
The proposal is based on Cairo, a C library.
It hopes to magically make an OOP based interface for this library.
Something that anyone and their mother can do themselves without the committee spoonfeeding this.
No one has implemented this magical OOP based interface as far as I'm aware.
For all I know, Cairo itself has been updated to a different version than referenced from the proposal since it has been made.
It's a waste of time.
@Rapptz ...
Your argument is disjointed; you make no direct connection to the original statement:
C++/Graphics is bad because _____
I'm not going to entertain this much longer.
Apr 4, 2015 08:15
4 mins ago, by Cinch
This is exactly what I mean.
Standardisation has massive implications and has a lot of political aspects involved.
There are a lot of things that would be nice to have but shouldn't be standardised.
@Rapptz Why don't you directly answer the question?
I am answering the question.
C++/Graphics shouldn't be standardized because ___
You're asking the wrong question.
You're asking "Why is a C++ graphic library bad?"
I'm answering "Why is a standard C++ graphic library bad?"
Apr 4, 2015 08:17
@Rapptz So it's bad because ____
Fucking. Read.
I'm done replying.
All you basically said is that "oh, it's bad because it has massive political implications and shouldn't be done and it's easy anyways so why do it"
@Cinch Nope.
And then "Cairo might be outdated so it's not worth looking at anymore"
@Cinch You might want to reread... like everything @Rapptz said.
Apr 4, 2015 08:19
>
Standardisation has massive implications and has a lot of political aspects involved.
There are a lot of things that would be nice to have but shouldn't be standardised.
Right?
> everything
Not a fragment picked specifically to ridicule what he said.
Also known as cherry picking, quote mining, etc.
gah mysticial you and your global lookup table
Bah.
bookmark?
Trying to bookmark the range.
While thinking about SG13 I was wondering if we have anything standardised that's based on an existing cross platform C library.
 
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