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Xeo
6:00 PM
Hm. I think @FredO's question won't live long
 
@SpaceC0wb0y Also, I'm not a Python programmer, but I think you want ":".split( "client:user:etc" )
 
Xeo
Already got 4 closing votes
 
Jez
no takers? :-P
 
Xeo
@Jez Nope, hate french language due to highschool circumstances. :)
 
@Potatoswatter: Nope, this works as intended.
 
Jez
6:01 PM
@Xeo darn. :-)
 
@Potatoswatter: But nevermind, I was just a bit angry. A single downvote is random, and I can live with that. But two, that seems lass random, and I would like to know my mistake.
 
@Jez: There are often a lot of Belgians here, but I think you've missed them.
 
Jez
hmm
it'd be 9pm there?
 
@Jez usually they're around this time. Beats me.
 
rlc
@Xeo looks like it's closed already - perhaps it can be flagged to re-open?
 
Xeo
6:03 PM
@rlc Sure can
Hm, but @Kirill does raise a good point about it belonging to the C++ tag wiki
Though, it would definitly pollute the tag wiki with the enormous link list
 
we have a books list too
so why not a videos list
i don't understand the rage
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaublitb Pedantics, all of them.
 
@Xeo We are pedants. We practice pedantics. (Just being pedantic ;v) .)
 
figured out why I got a headache (not C++)
I simply forgot to eat.
 
Xeo
@Potatoswatter Pedant. :)
 
6:16 PM
We practice pedantry
 
@JohannesSchaublitb True, but how to use "pedantics" in an appropriate sentence?
 
Pedantics is to pedantry as economics is to economy.
It's the study of pedantry.
 
"pedantics" gives 26k google results. so I doubt it's well formed english
 
@MartinhoFernandes: Not sure about that.
@JohannesSchaublitb Wiktionary lists "pedantic" as an adjective only. I agree that it's probably not a word at all.
 
@MartinhoFernandes oh i see now!
 
6:19 PM
@Johannes just in case you took that seriously, it was a joke.
Disregard that last message if you were joking back.
 
ohh
i had no idea i thought you were serious
i'm not joking now
 
Suuuuuuuuure, you aren't.
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaublitb trolling != joking
 
Hey, C++ question…
 
Xeo
Dare you!
 
6:23 PM
@Nils very interesting and a very smart woman!! :) :)
anyone familiar with Projection Matrix used in graphics?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheTiger Uhm.. a bit
The 4th dimension & clipping space still kinda elude me
 
@TonyTheTiger: You could guess that I have at least a passing familiarity with it :D
 
… eh, never mind. ADL is a bitch.
 
@DeadMG oh it's so confusing
got any links that explain it simply, if that is even possible?
 
@Tony: If you think of the view matrix as defining the camera, then the projection matrix defines the screen
or maybe I mean the other way around
loosely speaking, of course
to use the projection matrix, you just create one, preferably using a helper function
for a standard camera, you use a perspective projection
 
6:31 PM
I'm just reading this, I"m just at the first picture
 
there are other projections but they're really not particularly important
 
Hello
 
ignore that
you don't need to know how a projection matrix is built, or even how it works or what it does
just make one, plug in the values, multiply it in the right spot, and you're done
 
oh lol
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Not in the left spot? :P
 
6:32 PM
the MSDN docs can be quite technical, often in my view unnecessarily
 
I do like to have some idea what it's for, or what it's purpose is though...
 
Xeo
@Tony, understanding how a projection matrix works is going to be difficult, as it involves the 4th dimension. :)
 
it defines the space viewable by the camera, roughly
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Ah, I was looking for that link
 
6:34 PM
when you use the vertex shader, then the output is in homogenous clip space- or, vertex position multiplied by World, then View, then Projection matrices
to position the geometry in the world, then relative to the camera, and then project it into the camera's image, as it were
how it works is beyond me, but you don't need that to call D3DXMatrixMultiply
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I don't understand why you would call that function in C++ code. Just use operator*.
 
@Xeo that operator does not know how to multiply two matrices....
it only knows how to multiply two numbers
 
Xeo
It does, in C++. I use it all the time in DX lessons. It's overloaded for D3DXMATRIXN
 
yeah
I never use it really either- it was just a phrase
I've been working with XNAMath and they don't provide operator overloads
 
@Xeo oh I see, I didn't know that :)
 
6:41 PM
@Tony: Ownt :P
 
@DeadMG lol
I'm learning, so I'm expecting to be wrong about things...
 
indeed
 
@TonyTheTiger have used them, but a long time ago
 
7:28 PM
@Nils oh ok
 
7:40 PM
ugh
I feel like shit
 
@DeadMG Watch what you eat!
 
Xeo
Mm, doesn't Comeau online have lambdas?
 
I have been
 
Xeo
"ComeauTest.c", line 7: error: expected an expression
    auto l = []{};
             ^
 
Comeau is getting old, see the website copyrights. It's circa 2008.
Also, i think you want [](){}.
 
7:45 PM
@Potatoswatter Ow, that looks like Perl.
 
Well, typically you would put things inside the parens ;v)
 
But it's kinda funny that all three kinds of brackets can be strewn together and make a valid C++ expression.
 
you don't need () for no-arg lambdas, iirc
 
Xeo
@DeadMG no-arg no ->ReturnT
 
@MartinhoFernandes pretty epic :)
 
Xeo
7:46 PM
@MartinhoFernandes They're missing <>, but I believe that comes with generic lambdas
 
auto a = [](){}; so that is a valid construct?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheTiger even auto a = []{};
 
@Xeo: You can't have generic lambdas. @Tony: Yes, it defines a lambda function
indeed, you can nest lambdas to your heart's content
 
Xeo
It's a function that takes nothing, returns nothing, does nothing
 
@DeadMG ah, "lambda-introducer lambda-declarator[opt] compound-statement"
 
7:48 PM
auto x = [](){[](){}();};
 
Xeo
@DeadMG We currently can't have generic lambdas!
 
@DeadMG I wonder how many I'd have to nest to content my heart :P
 
I defined a lambda which defines a lambda and then calls it inline
 
@TonyTheTiger But it's an empty nest :v(
 
@Potatoswatter well, we gotta fill up the nest then :P
 
7:49 PM
@Xeo It's 0 from untyped lambda calculus!
 
Xeo
Meh, I don't have clang handy.. anyone of you does?
 
you don't need clang- MSVC and GCC both have lambdas in their most recent versions
 
@MartinhoFernandes no untyped lambda calculus jokes. And it's never that simple, Church 1 = ( \ a b . a b )
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I wanna test something across compilers that support lambdas
 
Xeo
7:53 PM
Meh, g2g. Can someone compile the following on Clang and report the result? ideone.com/hi744
 
clang supports alias declarations
+ alias templates
 
Xeo
Doesn't matter, I wanna test the operator()
 
it doesn't have lambdas yet though
 
Xeo
Ah, k
 
msvc accepts it
 
Xeo
7:55 PM
Yeah, I can test that and GCC
I use it to implement a 2 really simple delegate :)
assembler and stuff
 
note that lambdas convert to function pointers
 
Xeo
oh well, see you tomorrow o/
 
so you can do void (*p)() = l; in that code
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaublitb No, I wanna explicitly test for operator()
I'm gonna show the trickery when I get back
 
7:59 PM
so what's new?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger An operator as well as an expression to allocate an object on free storage.
 
@sbi yes that is new
how are you?
 
sbi
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints. Thank you.
12
 
you do like to remind us all of our noob status, don't you? lol
installing DirectX SDK.... :)
 
sbi
@Xeo: This fucking chat system unpins pinned messages after 14 days. It's a nuisance, and I think it's stupid to prevent room owners from pinning messages for all eternity, but I'd rather live with it than get beaten on meta for asking to remove that stupid restriction.
@TonyTheTiger Tired.
 
8:05 PM
@sbi did @Xeo ask you something about that?
or are you just venting your frustrations about the chat
hello @SpaceC0wb0y, how are you?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger No. But I really like that message to be available point out once in a while. (You call me Uncle FAQ for a reason, you know. I like final solutions.)
7 hours ago, by Xeo
Hm, interesting. Wanted to repin the newbie hints message from @sbi, but the chat tells me the following: "You have starred and pinned this message.". I don't remember pinning it yet oO
@TonyTheTiger I bet @SpaceC0wb0y is preparing his CV for applying to that job we talked about when we had beer at the Prater. :)
 
@Tony: Fine. I am busy writing application letters. It sucks. I am not good at this kind of stuff.
 
@sbi Yeah, I know, you are right about doing it. :)
@sbi hehe :P
 
Lol and I thought the messages stayed there because they were starred.
 
@sbi: Pretty sure that it's just me that calls you Uncle FAQ :p
 
8:11 PM
Careful saying that you like "final solutions" while talking about nicknames…
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter The difference between starred and pinned messages is that the later won't disappear. Well, not for 14 dys, that is. <sigh/>
 
@Space_C0wb0y oh I absolutely hated doing it, and I still hate it. Thank god I never had to write an application letter for my current job
 
sbi
22 hours ago, by DeadMG
hey hey, it's Uncle FAQ
May 12 at 17:09, by Als
@Raze: Uncle FAQ knows all....he literally owns the place :P:)
Apr 27 at 10:33, by Tony The Tiger
@sbi you uncle faq.... lulz
@DeadMG I wish.
 
@DeadMG Can I just create an empty C++ project in VC++ to start playing around with D3D10?
@sbi does it offend you?
gotta love how this chat keeps all its history so whatever you say can be used against you anytime after :P
3
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Be reasonable, man. How could that puppy offend me?
 
8:15 PM
@sbi I'm talking about being called Uncle FAQ, I know that mere puppies cannot offend Gorrillaz
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger I was talking about that, too. The puppy is right in so far as he called me that first, which is why, would I be offended, I had been then. (And you didn't think a living room tiger like you would beat the puppy at offending me. Or did you?)
 
@Tony: Yes, indeed you can
my sister sent me videos of my puppy today
she's so goddamn cute
 
@sbi no I did not think I could offend you, but perhaps my paws can hurt you or my roar can scare you.... :P
@DeadMG I presume that was an answer to:
5 mins ago, by Tony The Tiger
@DeadMG Can I just create an empty C++ project in VC++ to start playing around with D3D10?
 
yes, of course
 
@DeadMG puppies don't stay puppies forever though... so cuteness might not be a persistent condition.
 
8:20 PM
this breed is a permanent puppy
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger The word you were looking for when all you found was scare (ha!) is: annoy. That, all of you can. But it really isn't all that hard to annoy the grumpy old man.
 
oh
I recommend D3D9 over D3D10
D3D10 and D3D11 stripped a lot of the helper D3DX classes
 
sbi
@DeadMG We will remember that.
 
@sbi didn't seem that way when we met... maybe online its easier :P
 
what, that my puppy will be a puppy forever?
 
8:21 PM
@DeadMG I just installed the DXSDK_june2010
not sure if all is in there?
 
yeah, there's just one DX SDK
for all versions
 
hmm ok
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Ah, but going out for beer is a special occasion. Slogging through the daily routine makes me grumpy much more often.
 
oh, by the way, the DX SDK gives you the option to change your D3D runtime to debug
don't leave it that way, because, quite hilariously, virtually nothing works
 
@sbi oh I can understand that though
 
8:22 PM
Windows Media Player won't run, games will crash, etc etc
so many times I stopped a debugging session to watch some TV I pirated, and WMP won't run
 
@DeadMG not sure what you're talking about?
 
the Direct3D runtime has a debug and release mode
but debug runtime breaks programs
 
@DeadMG I don't watch pirated TV my machine, and I don't play games, neither do I have a single game installed
though if you can suggest a good 1st person shooter, I might change that :)
 
it doesn't have to be pirated
 
sbi
@DeadMG Oh, c'mon, don't pretend you hadn't seen that. What would you expect us to understand, when someone with a puppy avatar writes "this breed is a permanent puppy"?!
 
8:24 PM
pretty sure that any video file won't work
lol
personally, you could try Battlefield: Bad Company 2
it takes a little while to get into but is quite fun
 
@DeadMG question is, will it run on my machine?
mostly my graphics card
 
how should I know? What, am I psychic now?#
puppies are pretty fkin' incredible things, but psychic ain't one of them
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger I play a round of Q3A every night before I go to bed. :) (Yeah, I know that's as old as Egyptian mummies, but so am I.)
 
lulz
just a sec
 
honestly, I really didn't like Q3A
much more of an Unreal Tournament guy
 
sbi
8:26 PM
@DeadMG That's because you're too young.
 
hey
 
so I've got a NVIDIA GeForce GT452m on my laptop
 
my parents let me play Resident Evil, Grand Theft Auto, and Duke Nukem 3D when they were released
 
sbi
@DeadMG I'm sorry for you.
 
I played DOOM when I was 4.
 
8:27 PM
I'm not
 
sbi
@DeadMG Quadro FX2700M here. :P
 
haven't suffered a shred from it
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, we all noticed that.
 
I've got an ATi 5770 here
not the fastest, but is DX11
 
@sbi What do you mean? :(
 
8:29 PM
my i7 930 is much more a source of pride
 
@DeadMG so does mine support that game you mentioned?
else I'd have to play on my desktop machine
 
don't believe sbi mentioned a game, I did
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus You have a strange and twisted kind of humor, a kind that would fit well with a kid that played DOOm at 4. (But don't feel bad about it. I admire your humor even more that @FredO's.)
 
and you'd have to check the system requirements, as I didn't
 
did someone mean to favorite "this breed..." instead of pin it? (we already have too lengthy pins, imho)
 
sbi
8:30 PM
@DeadMG Tsk. So young, and already suffering from dementia.
 
@sbi what's wrong with @FredO's humor?
 
if an IQ of several billion could be construed as dementia
 
@sbi :)
 
so, guys
tell me of your opinion of the Meyers-Briggs psychological profile test
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Q3A is from before the stone age. Back then we were making fire by rubbing two monochrome monitors together. It would run on a on-board graphic.
 
8:31 PM
I... like the name?
Q3 will run on your damn phone these days.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Nothing's wrong with it. I admire it almost as much as @CatPlusPlus'.
 
literally
I also have Red Alert for the iPod Touch, somewhere
 
@DeadMG you must then, by definition be a GOD, if you have an IQ of several billion, which then doesn't explain to me how you don't fully grasp perspective projection matrices :P
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus In fact, I think I have seen a demo for that.
 
@Tony: I'd rather spend my time daydreaming about UIElements
 
8:33 PM
@sbi lol
 
I've seen Q3 port to JavaScript, I think.
 
@DeadMG oh gosh... some geeks do worry me :P
 
lol
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Ugh. Now you're spoiling all the fun I'm having with it every night before I go to bed!
 
#define UIElements naked women
 
8:34 PM
@sbi oh oh...
 
QuakeLive didn't do that already? ;)
 
@DeadMG oh I see... :)
 
kek
I can't help it, I like to think about things
 
@DeadMG I'm gonna post that as my FB status now
 
although it would probably help if I stopped wasting so much time on Starcraft 2
 
sbi
8:35 PM
@CatPlusPlus I life a sheltered and secluded life. I hadn't even heard of something called QuakeLive. (And please don't tell me what it is.)
 
what, #define UIElements naked women?
 
@sbi Okay.
 
@sbi: It's Quake3 played in the browser
 
luckily none of you follow me on FB... else I'd be raped by comments.... (then again you'd be the only lot understanding my techie statuses :P)
 
I didn't do it!
 
8:36 PM
heh
Mischief Puppy™ strikes again!
 
I don't even have FB account.
 
sbi
@DeadMG What is so hard about understanding "please don't do it", that you, allegedly having an IQ in the billions, fail so utterly at it?
 
sbi has removed DeadMG from the list of this room's owners.
 
honestly, my flatmate woke me up far too early this morning for my poor fragile mind, and it's been kinda worthless all day
 
@sbi he's way too smart to comprehend our plain english :P
 
sbi
8:37 PM
*room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where puppies are a nusiance. *
 
sbi
:P
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Where puppies are a nusiance.
 
oh I get it now... that's how we're gonna play
:P
 
sbi
Damn trailing spaces. Someone should file a bug report with balpha.
 
wow @Feeds guy came in and left in the blink of an eye, didn't even see it
 
8:39 PM
Room Wars, Episode V: The Gorilla Strikes Back.
2
 
sbi
@Feeds Nice that this is tracked now. Relieves me from having to announce it. :b
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd like to watch that episode :) Can we have it on youtube sometime?
 
(Now we're waiting for Return of the Puppy).
 
@sbi did you remove @JohannesSchaublitb again too? I added him earlier...
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Strikes back? That would imply that somebody did strike against me first. <looks_around> Anybody willing?
 
8:41 PM
the puppy ran in fear of it's life...
gorillas are known to be very dangerous and aggressive at times :)
 
sbi
23 hours ago, by sbi
I might actually have taken @Johannes off, or someone else did it. I really don't know. (I'd like to feel I'm not the only one doing this janitor job.) However, as @Tony has already explained, it fits with the room policy.
23 hours ago, by sbi
@cpx It is room policy here to turn regulars into room owners. (See the newbie hints for why that is so.) If you do that, you either get an ever-increasing list, or you not only put new users on it, but also take others off it. I sometimes put new users onto the list that I have seen chatting here regularly for weeks, and when I do this I usually also quickly browse through the list for whom I haven't seen in a while, and might take someone off the list.
 
Nice URL. A bonus gorilla.
 
@sbi oh ok, I guess I violated the room policy then... I just wanted to be Mr. Nice Guy for once
@CatPlusPlus lol :)
 
8:44 PM
@sbi pretty big teeth
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger I merely wanted to say (repeat) that I can't remember whether I did it. I might have, though. (But definitely not since last night.)
 
@sbi oh, funny, he seems to have been removed again, after I added him only hours ago... then someone else might have done it, or perhaps he removed himself
 
@sbi So essentially, his job is to sit around and yawn now and then.
 
@Potatoswatter lol, and your job is to swat potato's now and then
 
@TonyTheTiger How do you think fries are made?
 
8:47 PM
@Potatoswatter by cutting potato's, not swatting potato's
unless I am missing a definition of swat
 
@TonyTheTiger Crazy Belgians!
 
@Potatoswatter With magic and black sorcery.
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Don't insult the tiger! He's from where they invented fries.
 
Like all food.
Food is magical.
 
Xeo
Hah, back on my ipod touch!
 
8:48 PM
Yeah, that's why I suck at making it. Because it's magic.
 
@CatPlusPlus If radiation is magic sorcery, and fries are made with black-body radiation…
 
@Potatoswatter ever been here?
 
@TonyTheTiger No, but I'd like to.
 
@Potatoswatter you should, and taste some decent beer!! :)
@CatPlusPlus yep, cause I can't cook for shit
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Fool.
 
8:49 PM
@Potatoswatter Radiation, eh.
 
I sense a longcat!
 
Xeo
@sbi there's decent beer? I only ever tasted ones that nearly made me puke
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Are you in southern California?
 
@sbi Arizona.
 
sbi
@Xeo Yeah, most girls don't like beer.
 
8:51 PM
That reminds me that I suck at geography, too.
 
Xeo
@sbi no really, i think it was becks. One gulp and i felt like puking...
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Then you're not the guy on linkedin one finds when googling for your real name and "C++"?
@Xeo Yeah, most girls don't like beer.
(Oh, and it was @Tony who brought up "decent beer", BTW.)
 
@sbi That query doesn't return a linkedin result for me.
Anyway, I don't use linkedin, although I do have an account.
 
Xeo
Is @Johannes there? I can't see the user list
 
Also, there are other C++ programmers by my name. Hence sticking well to the handle.
 
sbi
8:54 PM
@Xeo That makes us all want to have an iPad.
 
@sbi That has a different number of S'es. Would I really misspell my own name ;v)
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter What do you mean? I pasted the name from your SO profile.
 
Xeo
@sbi what, why?
 
@sbi Google removed an "s".
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Oh, now I see. Sorry.
 
8:57 PM
@Xeo that beer is like drinking piss, with some water added
 
sbi
@Xeo I was being ironic.
@TonyTheTiger Yeah, but most girls consider all beer to be drinking piss.
 
Hmm, that guy is about 30 years older than me.
 
@sbi oh, I shall remember that, next time I go out with a girl... :P (if I ever do, me the sad loner :( )
 
The worst thing is when a girl says she only likes the good beer… and that is Corona.
 
Xeo
@Tony what beer would you recommend then?
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter Where can you see this on his linked in page?
 

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