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2:01 PM
Oh, of course I'm wrong.
Dammit.
 
IMHO Java is a good language. It just isn't C++. However it is very versitile
 
I think most people here would disagree about the versatility bits.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true
@jalf lol
 
java is just a language. not good, but still a language. a lot of people use it, somehow.
 
2:19 PM
so why would alignment be so important on a GPU, whereas on a CPU (unless you're optimizing) it's not that worried about?
or am I getting a wrong impression, I'm just reading CUDA docs, and they stress alignment very much, and making sure stuff is correctly aligned
 
I think you are getting the wrong impression.
 
@TonyTheLion because no one cares about performance on a CPU ;)
 
so on CPU it's also important, however it's never really very much emphasized from stuff I've read.
 
They probably stress it because it involves one of the situations where the compiler does not handle it for you.
 
ah right
 
2:21 PM
or rather, on a CPU, most of the transistors on die are dedicated to compensating for inefficient code
 
@TonyTheLion Because in most use cases, the compiler handles everything.
 
right
 
on a GPU, they're trying to cram hundreds or thousands of cores onto a chip around the same size. There's no room for hand-holding, so the code has to do the right thing
 
ah I see
 
Yall ready for a drive by link?
 
2:22 PM
@Chimera Long time no see.
 
Who the fuck doesn't have 120 cols in their editors.
 
old editors
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, how goes it? I was gone for a number of days doing foster parent training classes.
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Q: Fortran if statement errors

kjhI have a program that is supposed to tell a user if a temperature they entered is absolute zero. If indeed it is, then they should see "no entropy for you", if it is greater, then It should tell them how far above a0 they are, but i keep getting messages saying my if statements have errors, and h...

 
you want upboats?
 
@TonyTheLion If my answer is worthy, sure.
 
2:23 PM
OMG, Fortran.
 
Yeah, isn't that funny?
My first work in the fortran tag.
How has everybody been doing?
 
@Chimera Started my new job yesterday.
 
Doing alright, today though, I'm failing entirely to be motivated
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Congrats! Think you'll enjoy it?
 
2:25 PM
Yeah, I think so. The people here seem nice.
 
@TonyTheLion Motivation ... can ... be .... difficult.
 
@Chimera Sorry - I upvoted the other guy for the 'KFC' chicken comment.
 
@MartinJames np, he had a great answer.
 
@Chimera at times
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because noone wants to lose their superstar programmer right ;)
 
2:26 PM
lol
I don't want to be that guy.
 
He's just busy indexing all the documentation
so he can do quick O(log(n)) searches in the future.
 
hey who is flagging @deadmg ?
 
not me
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf What messages? Not me.
 
about the extremists in pakistan and us
 
2:28 PM
Cruella de Vil
 
@TonyTheLion I don't like the idea of two weeks from now having to ask stuff that can be found by RTFM.
 
I don't see any flags
 
i cancelled it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right
 
Oct 24 at 19:54, by sbi
If you are new here, please take a quick look through the newbie hints. Thank you.
 
2:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes You know that the documentation is wrong and two years out-of-date, right?
 
documentation typically is out of date about two minutes after it was written
 
Plus, this is my preferred learning method. I read lots about the subject, even if I don't understand half of it first. I know I will remember it, even if it makes no sense for now. Then I gradually build up a puzzle as I start making sense of the various parts.
@MartinJames Actually, no.
 
Seems I missed a good conversation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmm interesting. I like to read, but for me it has to make sense, else I won't be able to remember it.
@Chimera depends on what you call a good conversation really.
 
Yeah, you suck :P
 
2:32 PM
lol
 
@TonyTheLion Well yeah. Just scanning through it, I'm amused, but not surprised that what started out as having nothing to do with the US, the puppy managed to bash the US. :-)
 
If there is some good docs, it certainly makes good sense to read them. Apart from anything else, you cannot screw up in your first week if you spend it reading documents.
 
@Chimera :P
@MartinJames I spent my first week getting confused. :P
 
@TonyTheLion "Islam" is a large enough topic on it's own.
 
@Chimera I hope you're not trying to restart that debate.
 
2:34 PM
Hmm KFC
 
@Chimera The one about templates the other day? Yeah, you did.
 
Kentucky Fried Chicken
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nice one
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol.
@TonyTheLion Oh god no.
 
@Chimera Well, there is some documentation for it. Could do with some revisions to update it.
 
@TonyTheLion You know me by now. I don't get involved in debates. :-)
This got re-opened and Ron Maimon chimed in. :-)
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Q: What are the challenges to achieving cold fusion?

ChimeraI am an absolute neophyte regarding physics. What are the challenges to achieving it? I'm not sure this is a duplicate of Why is cold fusion considered bogus?, because that question is talking largely about the validity of some claims of cold fusion being realized. This question is specifically ...

 
2:38 PM
lol
Wait... meta.physics.stackexchange.com?
2
 
Quran V1.0 - action on God to update.
 
I'm trying to diversify my TAG and SITE portfolio. :-)
 
@Chimera right, well some are interesting, others are less so
 
@TonyTheLion agreed
 
2:40 PM
Anyone know if MySQL has a cap on maximum queries in a time frame or is it unlimited?
 
stop the flagging
 
community edition
 
no one here cares about MySQL
go to the PHP room
 
What is being flagged?
 
@MartinJames' last statement
 
2:43 PM
oh gawd
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Am I missing something or are the data files (udc/age.g.inl etc.) in the Ogonek repository missing?
 
@KonradRudolph I don't keep them in the repo. They're in the downloads section.
 
Yes, You are missing the udc/age.g.inl etc files.
 
In the repo I only keep the C# program I use to generate them (under tools/).
The input is the official UCD XML.
 
ah, that makes sense :0
:)
 
2:45 PM
But for the lazy, I keep a pregenerated set in the downloads.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes okay, you probably know this so I don’t have to research this: can the library solve this question?
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Q: Standard function for displaying names of chars c++

Barnabas SzabolcsIs there a standard function for user-friendly representation of non-alphanum input characters? Say char(27) would be "ESC" or something alike. I am asking this because that would be an easy way for me to display help on controls in command line. EDIT: As @ypnos pointed out: the question is how...

(total overkill of course if the OP only wants ASCII non-printable chars …)
 
I don't understand the flags? The word of God could only be updated by God.
 
@KonradRudolph Yes, though the public API functions for that are currently commented with a TODO that I only remembered about yesterday.
 
Fixing that will be trivial though.
 
2:47 PM
@MartinJames the flags generally mean "I'm an immature oversensitive jerk who gets off on trying to censor the chat"
 
@MartinJames lol
 
in other words, they can be safely ignored
 
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Q: Is there any concrete relation between Gödel's incompleteness theorem, the halting problem and universal Turing machines?

Marc van LeeuwenI've always thought vaguely that the answer to the above question was affirmative along the following lines. Gödel's incompleteness theorem and the undecidability of the halting problem both being negative results about decidability and established by diagonal arguments (and in the 1930's), so th...

Nice, I always forget about the existence of cs.SE and then rediscover it :)
 
@KonradRudolph This is where the internal bits are: bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/ogonek/src/c046eda94e16/src/… and this is the public API: bitbucket.org/martinhofernandes/ogonek/src/…
Now that text is working, I should tackle that TODO. :)
 
Oh wait, we also have cstheory.SE? WTF?
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Q: Halting problem, uncomputable sets: common mathematical proof?

ThomasIt is known that with a countable set of algorithms (characterised by a Gödel number), we cannot compute (build a binary algorithm which checks belonging) all subsets of N. A proof could be summarized as: if we could, then the set of all subsets of N would be countable (we could associate to eac...

 
2:50 PM
Oh, God, while you're at it, Leviticus could do with a good going over as well.
 
@FredOverflow We have been over this.
 
As I said, I tend to forget.
 
> If F proves G(F), then F proves both that F proves G(F) and that F doesn’t prove G(F)
erm, confused much?
 
It's called "proof by contradiction".
 
@FredOverflow cstheory is for researchers, cs is for... non-researchers, I guess.
 
2:51 PM
@FredOverflow it's confusing
 
Don't ask me why researchers don't get along with non-researchers.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stupid re-searchers, couldn't they have found the solution during their first search? :)
 
I never liked this theoretical computer science stuff during University, but for some reason I am quite fascinated by it right now.
amazon, y u no ship my Gödel and Turing books already?
 
it is fascinating
however the math mostly confuses me
 
2:54 PM
You have your own math? :)
 
basic_text<utf8> get_name(codepoint u) {
    return basic_text<utf8> { find_property_group(name_data, name_data_size, u).name };
}
 
what?
 
@KonradRudolph it will be something like this.
 
:) easy
 
Is 2+2 = 4 a fact that existed before humans declared it to be true?
 
2:56 PM
@Chimera Is this a serious question?
 
Or is it just a human made concept?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
@Chimera The symbols are.
 
of course it was true before humans were around.
if there was 2 things and 2 other things, you had 4 things
humans or no humans, that is still true
 
This is an overly broad and vague question and it can't be answered in its current state
 
@kbok Vote to close. :-)
 
2:57 PM
you're vague and broad :P
 
@kbok He just called you fat.
 
@kbok that was the intent. It's not as simple a question as it appears.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)
 
@Chimera ask on r/philosophy
 
@Chimera What are 2 and 4? I only understand 0 and 1.
 
2:59 PM
@TonyTheLion I'd ask on math.se but I'm afraid they wouldn't take it seriously.
 
I always see "sex" in those WNDCLASSEX macros
 
@FredOverflow 10 && 100
 
@Chimera Because it's not a mathematical question.
It's something that interests philosophers.
 
And why would the answer matter?
 
@FredOverflow because he wants to know
why does anything matter?
 
3:00 PM
@FredOverflow Why would the fact that the answer matters or does not matter matter?
 
I have an important question for you guys
 
@FredOverflow I'm not sure it does. But I think it's an interesting question.
 
another one
 
@TonyTheLion "you had 4 things" doesn't make any sense in a world without humans, especially the "you" and the "had" parts.
 
@Chimera If anything, I recommend asking on Philosophy.
 
3:01 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Please parenthesize next time, that was hell to parse :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, great suggestion.
 
@FredOverflow dude, ok, "There were 4 things". Pedant.
 
@FredOverflow That was the point.
 
Are the aliens in Battleship inspired by Halo, or do they share a common ancestor, like D&D and Discworld does for Tolkien's universe ?
 
@kbok I have no clue.
 
3:02 PM
Dec 13 '11 at 20:23, by R. Martinho Fernandes
But yeah, it was really cool to type "type type Type".
 
@TonyTheLion Numbers aren't real, so I don't think they "existed" before humans came about.
 
Maybe I should ask on /r/philosophy too !
 
@FredOverflow STAHP
 
I have to say, I really like Bitbucket’s new clean look. Now, if it only implemented some of the features of GitHub, such as favouring projects …
wait, you can
 
@kbok yes
 
3:03 PM
@KonradRudolph I like that the overview page has the readme on top, and not the latest commits.
 
@TonyTheLion Do you want to discuss this or not? :)
 
 
I never read a readme.
@FredOverflow no. Frankly I couldn't care less.
 
fine
 
^ The halo guy for comparison
 
3:05 PM
lol
 
The shoulders look totally different.
 
So they are obviously unrelated :)
Now compare with this ^
 
oh gawd
are you bored?
 
Obviously they completely discarded the original universe and stole the one from Halo instead.
@TonyTheLion I have a very annoying bug to fix and I don't feel like working today. :(
 
@kbok oh same here.
though mine isn't a bug fix
but it's annoying nevertheless
 
3:16 PM
arrrgh, fighting teh stupid on SO. Sooo irritating
 
yes, stupid people are stupid
 
@KonradRudolph Hehe, someone uses a crappy text editor and is jealous, I guess.
 
@kbok Look at Milton Bradley Battleship, now me. Now MB battleship, now me again. Look down, your keyboard is made of gold.
 
However, @Konrad, since the question is about displaying key names, Unicode codepoints do not cut it.
 
3:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes OP talks about Unicode specifically. I think “key names” is simply a misnomer
 
well my search for some social contact tonight has epically failed
I get go home and stare at the same walls again
meh
 
Get a Thai bride.
 
Don't you start that too
someone else was going on about this the other day
 
3:28 PM
and when I told them I give no fucks, they got all pissy and offended
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I remember that. That's why I mentioned it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how could you remember, this was on FB. Maybe I mentioned it here
 
@TonyTheLion <insert lame joke about Thai brides and giving no fucks>
 
@TonyTheLion Yes, you did.
 
3:29 PM
ah right
I think I mention too much here
 
I am not on Facebook, so I wouldn't know otherwise.
 
how do you convert unsigned to int?
 
static_cast?
 
no i need unsigned 1 = int 1
 
static_cast gives you that.
 
3:39 PM
ohh okay
thanks
 
@Luka very carefully :-) it's like porcupine sex
 
porcupines aren't very careful during sex
 
@Luka ^ need not only be porcupines involved
 
lol
 
3:43 PM
> 2 Russian tourists challenge Florida law prohibiting sex with porcupines
erm
man, I wish I could give a fuck today
but no, none are given
 
Today is ELECTION DAYYYYY.
Damn, @jalf went ballistic earlier.
 
Hey, does anyone here use a Linux Distro?
 
I think @CatPlusPlus does.
 
My computer just went up in smoke so I figured if I'm going to reinstall everything I should also reevaluate my Linux choice.
 
Go with Arch. I heard it's good. Although I never used it.
 
3:58 PM
@ThePhD I use Arch and I think it's the only viable one out there
 
oh joy, I may just have to dig up the spec on TCP tomorrow...
 
But of course, it's a matter of taste.
 
Arch... looking it up.
 
Yeah, I like Arch too.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Argh, you beat me by half a sec :)
 
3:58 PM
Arch is one of the best distros.
Don't use it if you don't know how to recover from broken updates, though.
 
Don't come back crying next time you fuck up your system because you updated without keeping an eye on the mailing list.
 
@CatPlusPlus I've been struggling with broken Fedora for quite some time, especially the graphics drivers. So, I'll take my chances.
 
They still happen about twice a year.
 
I did fuck up my system by updating several times, but it's never hard to recover quickly.
 
Yay, fresh Windows 7 install.
All the fun of reinstalling... ...
Visual... Studio.
... =l
 
4:00 PM
But you really need a wired connection. Always.
 
Not really.
You're not reflashing a router silly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because wireless drivers tend to go crazy quite often.
 
I don't suppose anyone here can remember all the stuff about how TCP ack works?
 
I mean you don't need to be always wired, but you need to have one available.
 
4:02 PM
Hmm. Never had issue. Except for the crazy router, but it didn't play nice with Windows either.
@jalf All? Probably not.
Some things? Maybe.
 
Also, serious speed issues for updating if you're in a crowded space like me (there's 80+ routers in my wireless range)
 
Change the channel
 
@jalf I remember some of it
 
Or the band
 
I did read it a while back in gory detail.
 
4:04 PM
All channels are crowded, still
Anyway I'll be moving soon and then I'll just wire every fucking device. Problem solved.
 
SYN -> SYN/ACK -> ACK (IIRC)
 
SYN, ACK, SYN ACK
 
unless you have RST packet somewhere in that
 
Or maybe not.
@kbok Then change the band.
 
I'll even plug my coffee machine to the network with HTCPCP.
 
4:06 PM
@CatPlusPlus nope
 
submitted bound_function proposal.
 
@CatPlusPlus The band ? What do you mean ?
 
Switch from 2.4GHz to 5GHz.
 
I'm not sure I can do that
 
I've got both bands in use on my router.
 
4:09 PM
Buy better devices.
(I'd go with wiring too, if I could drill holes in walls here)
 
WiFi sucks
for large amounts of data, nothing beats a wire
 
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Q: Automatic community-defined hot-links

Luchian GrigoreSO already supports automatic hot-linking for inside comments for some pages like stackoverflow.com or the faq. If I wrote [so] or [faq] in a comment, a link to the page would automatically appear. Since there's a lot of comments that redirect the users to other pages, it would be nice to have a...

 
@TonyTheLion Knives do.
 
@TonyTheLion Actually, nothing beats a truck of magnetic tapes.
 
4:12 PM
@LuchianGrigore That is highly unlikely to happen.
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Q: AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE

Benjol No more re-typing the same comments over and over! This script adds a little 'auto' link next to all comments boxes. When you click the link, you see a popup with 6 configurable auto-comments, which you can easily click to insert. This script was inspired by answers to this question on meta....

Do you know this?
 
(Except maybe a boat, but you get the point)
 
COMRESET ata1 keeps failing with errorno -16.... I wish I understood what half this kernel nonsense meant.
 
@EtiennedeMartel WiFi routers armed with nukes and ICBMs do.
 
@CatPlusPlus Wiring will do, It will probably be a very small place (I still live in the center of Paris)
 
4:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did not.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Stop fucking around with that funky definition of "beating". We're talking about bandwidth here.
 
@LuchianGrigore Well, install it, be happy :)
@EtiennedeMartel But, but...
 
> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
Found that damn quote.
 
@thecoshman Yes. (You all still suck for not posting)
 
I should install some nukes on my router.
 
4:16 PM
@TonyTheLion ah, I'll figure it out tomorrow. Too tired now. Thanks though, might ping you tomorrow :)
 
Oh oh
are there "british scientists" jokes there?
there = wherever you might be from
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry for that, I absolutely hate it when people write other people’s names wrong
 
It's ok. I'm used to it.
 
well, in your case it was simply a typo instead of ignorance but still …
 
4:21 PM
@jalf no probs :)
 
God damn CS educational system.
Sixth "Programming - Basics" lecture and what? Pointers!
:F
 
So, it's very good, right? They teach rather fast ;)
 
Yeah, if they first explained SBRM, smart pointers, vectors, algorithms, iterators...
Lecturer states that he teaches "basing on" C++.
 
teachers mostly suck at C++
 
Everyone mostly sucks at C]].
Oops. Wrong keyboard layout.
 
4:27 PM
I suck at sucking
oh wait
 
Sluuurp.
 
But no! We don't have objects before second semester, on "Objective Programming" course, we cannot use them, we need to explain underlying and completely unnecessary things at lower level!
...he mostly writes C with iostreams.
And sometimes even without that.
 
Seams reasonable if it's a basic programming course rather than a C++ course ... raw pointers and low level structures are something students need to comprehend before moving on.
 
no, they're not.
 
Agree to disagree.
 
4:38 PM
IOW neither of us has any hard evidence for our positions
 
@robjb You can't get away with this. This is a dangerous misconception and not only a matter of taste IMO.
 
Can't get away with what?
 
low-level programming is not a prerequisite of higher-level programming.
 
No, but it's a prerequisite for a well taught CS student.
 
People who want to learn about programming have a 99% chance of never having to deal with bits or structs or pointers or whatever. The concepts and semantics matters, not what lies behind.
@robjb It this about "well taught CS student" or "basic programming courses" ?
 
4:41 PM
16 mins ago, by Griwes
God damn CS educational system.
 
@robjb Yes, God damn it.
 
That's unrelated.
 
Look for my top starred message here.
And agree to agree.
 
No, it's not unrelated at all ... it's what I was referring to.
If it's a introductory course in a CS degree, it makes sense to introduce students to low level programming at some point, if only to lay the basis for concepts and semantics.
 
@robjb Not really.
CS deals with high-level abstractions more than low-level crap.
 
4:44 PM
CS is not about implementation details and low level programming is not the basis of the semantics of programming languages
It's the other way around, and the fact that many teachers fail to understand that is the cause of so many CS courses sucking
 
If you say so.
I personally would expect a CS graduate to be educated on both low level programming and high level abstractions.
In my education, math / digital logic / low level programming came first, theory and abstractions later (and I didn't think the courses sucked.)
 
how old are you?
 
25, why?
 
ok
I was about to write a piece about how the world has changed in the last 40 years :P
 
Ha, I wouldn't mind reading it when you're done :)
 
4:51 PM
anyway
the point is that a lot of new CS people, including myself, picked up higher-level languages on their own.
if you needed low-level first, how can that work?
 
Being someone who teaches high schoolers to program, it's very hard to motivate people to deal with some of the learning curve. Python/Perl/Whatever is just too easy and shiny for new people
 
there's no need to deal with anything else
there's nothing wrong with starting with Python
it wouldn't be my choice, but
 
CS? who needs CS IRL? like to write an application like a fucking Notepad
 
@DeadMG there's nothing wrong with starting with it, but the problem is people never get past Python. It should be a first language, then you learn others
 
eh
if people don't want to go past Python than that's really their problem
I agree that people should have exposure to numerous languages
but I wouldn't do that until they really knew Python.
there's equally no point doing "Append to a list in Python/C++/Java/Javascript/Prolog/Haskell/PHP/SQL"
 
4:57 PM
I feel like you can't really appreciate python unless you've used static typing and can see the differences and advantages.
Otherwise you never really get parts of the language
 
meh
fuck language appreciation
you know what's more useful? Learning enough Python to do something useful in it.
 

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