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11:00 AM
Haha, there is already 1 year old book for PHP 6 :D
 
books can never be up to date with stuff like that, but logic doesn't have expiry date... it is kind of hard to read more technical books when you are beginner, dunno what to say... you could go through PHP certificaton guide by Marco Tabini (and read phparchitect)...
 
@webarto Can You give me link for PHP certification guide?
 
@DanielsPitkevičs , have you read "PHP Object-Oriented Solutions" ?
 
@tereško Not really
 
but actually , if you want to expand your skills in OOP you should watch & read stuff made by Miško Hevery and Robert C. Martin .. also reading everything that Martin Fowler has ever written might be a good strategy
 
11:14 AM
@tereško Ok, I will check out them. Thank You
 
.. which reminds me that i had planned to get bronze badge in this week =/
 
I'm still yet looking for the PHP 5.0 end of life date. Will try again with the mailinglist now.
 
11:33 AM
@tereško Yeah, why there is no London 2012 for PHP?
 
@DanielsPitkevičs i am talking about this one : stackoverflow.com/badges/504/oop
then again , it's not as rare as one for
 
^ dafuq Oo ... building something is cheaper than a $25 a year :S
 
He did say he was indian, $25 is like a whole years salary
 
Hmm, can I open files from website which are stored outside var/www but in var/somedir/dir/dir/ ?
 
11:47 AM
good morning :)
 
@Steve morning
 
@Leigh come on, not you too :P
 
@DanielsPitkevičs , include '../../var/some/other/dir';
 
hey @webarto
 
@webarto What do you mean not me too. I'm a main protagonist
 
11:48 AM
not really include, but in <a href='...'
I put just the address and in browser it adds server name before opening file.
 
no
 
@Leigh sorry I confused tiny avatars :P Daniels has something against India :P
 
@DanielsPitkevičs <a href="/etc/passwd">Wut?</a>
2
 
you cannot open files outside DOCUMENT_ROOT
 
11:49 AM
@PeeHaa :D
 
@webarto I dont have anything agains India, but they are so interesting, that I just need to troll them ^^
 
@PeeHaa , you assume he has ever played with a server-oriented NIX
 
@DanielsPitkevičs something like that :P
 
@tereško That's not technically true, he can always link to sillyInclude.php that simply does a fpassthru
 
@Leigh from his example i assumed "not with php" constraint
 
11:52 AM
@Steve hey Jerry, I mean Steve :P
 
@tereško hm, I think it's possible to do a filesystem redirect with htaccess? (not sure - I might be wrong)
 
lol jerry?
 
@Leigh , you can use symlinks , but it has to be set in webserver's config
 
oh, lmao
JERRY JERRY JERRY
@webarto Do you guys have the Jerry Springer show in bosnia?
 
11:55 AM
I hate it when I press back button and I lose all the cool questions from index...
no, we have only 3 channels... 1st for news, 2nd for culture, 3rd for sport
 
:(
somebody tell me a joke
 
ASP.NET
 
lol!
hey! i like asp.net!
 
hello everyone
any good intermediate php books?
 
@meWantToLearn good morning :)
 
12:03 PM
good morning :D
 
@meWantToLearn , try "PHP Masters"
 
I love the Apress books, they have a few on php. As to a specific one... I haven't read any Apress php books
 
for php design patterns is this book good >http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780470496701.do
 
@Steve , i think "PHP in Action" was from Apress , but it's advanced level book
 
well, they have quite a few, i think 60 something
i'm sure one of them is intermediate :p
 
12:07 PM
any books to teach how to handle heavy websites?
 
oreilly is good too, i like those books
 
any books for handling heavy websites?
 
that might not be an intermediate book
 
its alright, if you do know one would appreciate if you share it
:)
 
i'm guessing zend framework would be for handling heavy loads
 
12:10 PM
no frameworks
or books to handle many concurrent users?
what about mysql books?
 
@Steve , please , stop trying to help
 
lol
 
@Steve ZF would be good if you wanted to make your "heavy website" as slow as possible.
 
Dooooooodes
whaasup?
 
.. and username added to ugnore-list
 
12:14 PM
i thought the zend framework "compiled" php so it wasn't interpreted anymore?
 
@meWantToLearn , what have you tried ? what do you have now ?
@Steve , are you trolling ?
 
lmao
no, i'm completely retarded i guess, i'll shut up
 
I didnt learn php from books, but im planning to get few good php books
that are actually helpful and the things in it cant be found online easily
 
@meWantToLearn , i meant in regards to you "heavy website"
 
@Steve no, it is just a framework (well not exactly one), it is powerful, but heavy and slow... which doesn't necessarily means anything bad or good..
 
12:16 PM
heavy website none
just learnt few tools like jmeter
but I want a book that explains or teaches tiny things that can be used to handle a heavy website
 
I was reading a comparison between asp.net and php, and it said that with using the zend framework it compiles php so it doesn't have to be interpreted(MAKING it run faster), but I just googled it and that site was apparently full of S***
 
define heavy website
 
there are no such books
@Steve , it was referring to opcode cache , which provided by APC extension and has no relation to any framework
 
by heavy website I mean like website with users of above 50k
 
ah
okay, so i obviously don't know what i'm talking about then and will zip my lip
 
12:18 PM
or handling 2000 concurrent connections or above
bez I really want to know how do websites handle too many connections
 
by using clusters and load balancers
 
so any books that teaches clusters and load balancers?
 
a.k.a. unicorns
 
Well it is just a warning where is the problem ? — Mian Khurram Ijaz 2 hours ago
 
12:23 PM
@tereško any books regarding clusters or load balancers ?
 
@tereško You guys need to stop visiting the r-site. ;P
 
just bringing some taste of "general php community" , people here need the reminders
 
I see nothing on r (no comments (yet))... oh LOL
 
is this a good book for teaching clustering > books.google.ae/books/about/…
 
there isn't a book for that
 
12:28 PM
u mean I should learn from google?
 
what about books regarding mysql optimization ?
 
no, you should be a f* engineer and work with people that are system administrators...
to me it seems like you a trying to force yourself into learning this, without real problem...
if you came and asked, hey, I have this website (link) it is powered by ... and I have problem with...
that would be another story
and we are mainly programmers here, not sys admins, so you are praying in the wrong church... ok?
 
@meWantToLearn You can search for mysql indexing, the book about mysql clustering wont steal all knowledge from You, so it is good too, You will get something from that. Search for mysql optimization book in google. Try harder
 
hi
i have a doubt regarding proxy server
 
12:40 PM
@techno Then don't use it, if you have doubts. ;P
 
is the data send through proxy server eg:email passwords secure
even after using ssl connection
 
@techno Question needs more context.
 
if my system connects to the net via a proxy,is the data send between me and a web application say email secure
eg:SSL Pages for entering passwords
 
morning all
 
12:48 PM
hi @MikeB!
 
guten morgen her Mike
 
And good morning
Ja guten morgen und guten tag herr mike b punkt
 
Moin moin, Mike-san.
 
yakshemash
instastar
 
12:51 PM
@PeeHaa thought you had a magic star
Or was that for mysql deprecation
 
@Leigh It faded away. Have to wait until @nikic, @ircmaxell, @Gordon or @LeviMorrison returns. All hail the room owners :)
 
I'm so tired, I don't want to code today :(
 
Hi all, Can anyone help me to find Magento 1.7 MySQL database diagram ?
I found in the link inchoo.net/ecommerce/magento/magento-mysql-database-structure But it is old version
 
@Leigh Yeah, me too. No more god damn work for me...but have to :-|
 
Anyone using web based, collaborative localization tools? I'm currently on Pootle, and am looking for something less aggravating...
What is wrong with this question? Bad question, bad answers, and the only sensible answer by @Daniels was deleted by @casperOne...?
 
1:07 PM
@deceze Haha, nice. Probably my post was deleted because I didn't write the full code for him.
 
That's not a valid reason to delete your post
It makes it less helpful.. but it's an answer and it's not low quality
 
^ Word
teaching to fish etc...
 
I flagged it asking for some clarification
 
Finally I was able to sign up with the mailinglist: news.php.net/php.internals/61920
@PeeHaa Thank you for taking care. And everybody else: Yes please star that one please.
 
1:25 PM
@deceze: While you're around, are you actually a moderator?
 
@Leigh Not that I know of.
 
Ok, no problem :)
 
Not interested either, SO is already taking too much of my time. ;P
 
Yea I hear you, I only have petty problems to lambast you with anyway
I have 5 exploits lined up for ignite.io, but I don't intend to tell the author until he fixes the other ones. I need to make him fully realise that he's doing it wrong. One of them means he has to disable DOMDocument ;D
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Which is a bit shit for a codepad site
 
morning fellas
 
1:37 PM
@Leigh LOL :D
@hh Morning
 
is it safe to safe that amongst the owners and the top contributors of this chat room we have some of the PHP community leaders?
 
god help us
 
Depends on who you're calling the "community". I think it's safe to say that a majority of the "PHP community" aren't being "lead" by anybody... :3
 
lol what i meant was the owners of this room are pretty well respected in the PHP community right?
 
Sem
@hanleyhansen Owners? Where?
 
^ Access tab
 
Sem
@hanleyhansen Didn't know that :)
 
@hanleyhansen It's safe to say that we have people here who try and influence the direction of PHP, and directly contribute to the development of the engine
 
@Leigh thank you. that's what i was aiming for.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11760641/nested-foreach-loop-skips-first-element-in-array
 
1:48 PM
There needs to be a
 
@MikeB Should be closed for or moved to codereview
 
already voted for too localized
 
what's cv-pls?
 
I have a post that I want to post. The post should be like the last sentence, which represents how you aren't asking a question. — Event_Horizon 7 secs ago
 
1:51 PM
@hanleyhansen In short, we share terrible questions for peer-review, and if we think they should be closed, we crush them.
 
I think all chat rooms do that in some form or another.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11760697/php-2-array-merge-and-get-value#comment15614499_11760697
 
A more noble way of putting it is that the PHP chat room takes it upon itself to make sure stays squeaky clean
 
@MikeB An impossible task, we need more delete votes for that
 
> A more noble way of putting it is that the PHP chat room takes it upon itself to make sure stays squeaky mildly clean
 
1:54 PM
@Leigh Maybe we can come to some sort of agreement with the c# guys
 
got it. thanks everyone
 
what should we flag that one?
 
@hakre Good thing we're not responsible for too... ;P
 
Gooden Morning
 
1:55 PM
low quality?
 
"hide slowly with exploting effect".. I'm having a hard time visualising it..
 
Morning @ircmaxell
 
how do i put the tags here in the chat?
 
Gooden day
 
@ircmaxell morning
 
1:56 PM
do [ tag : yourmom ]
without spaces
 
@Event_Horizon I dunno.. it feels like an honest question.. it shows zero research-effort but that's not a valid flag.
 
...or click the help link
 
@MikeB Its a question asking for someone to write their code....
 
@Event_Horizon cool thanks
 
1:57 PM
@deceze Yeah, I peeked in there, but it's even harder than with PHP ;)
 
@Event_Horizon Yeah but it's a 1-liner's worth of code :p
If he asked for an ORM I'd close it in a heart-beat
hi @ircmaxell
 
2:01 PM
@Leigh that would be awesome if it didn't almost break chrome for me
 
@Leigh Need to point an additional fan at my laptop now, but cool nice. ^_^b
 
Do low rated questions get auto flagged?
 
There are 7,956 questions tagged - and none of those was last asked nor edited in 2012 :D
 
@Event_Horizon no
 
@ircmaxell Sometimes I wish they would, at least so someone looked at them to make sure they are asking a question.
like -15 or below should probably get burninated (I haven't seen a -15 that didn't deserve it honestly)
 
2:04 PM
@Event_Horizon i should've just believed you smh lol
 
Can be used to find such low-quality questions.
 
120k page views in July...
 
@ircmaxell Nice. You should try to blog more ^^
 
lol...
 
2:12 PM
im awesome
 
@ircmaxell a book next year ? :)
 
 
i wanna work from home so badly
 
@Shikiryu working on two right now...
 
@ircmaxell which ones?!?!
 
2:15 PM
@ircmaxell About what ?
 
In time I'll share...
 
Hope for one on security
 
nope
not planned at least
 
surprised my question hasnt been answered...
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Q: Get Employee Name from another table, by employee ID from input field in form

gorelativeI have an access database that i have gracefully been deemed responsible for.. I for the life of me cannot figure out how to do this simple relationship scenario.. Call Table id - PKey Auto Inc job_number employee_id - Text -> links to UserInfo Linked SharePoint List Table call_description ...

 
@ircmaxell a little teaser at least?
 
2:17 PM
nope
 
Shhh he likes its secrets
 
(:
 
@ircmaxell when will they be finished roughly?
 
php 5.5 ~= phpPass lib? ohh goodie
 
no idea
 
2:19 PM
saw it may only supp sha1 outta the box though
 
HUH?
@gorelative what are you referring to?
 
@deceze Finally remembered where I stayed, thanks to ascii street view, I was in Soka
 
@hakre I'm excited about Curiosity landing this weekend
 
in C#, 6 mins ago, by PeeHaa
Just came here to say: Spaces FTW!!!1111
 
> Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Computers/Internet;Online Storage"
blocked github =(
fires up vmware and hotspot muahahha
morning @MikeB
 
2:22 PM
@MikeB Yeah, that will be cool. I hope it get's a soft landing.
 
I see no point in blocking websites, employees are not kids...
 
@Leigh You needed an ASCII view for that? :D
 
I'm confused, where did you see anything about sha1???
 
@deceze No, I just needed a view
 
@webarto i work in a government based corporation, we are still using IE7/xp on 83% of our machines.
@ircmaxell might have mis-read early this AM.. i cant re-read it since the eggheads up on 5 blocked github >_>
 
2:23 PM
@gorelative lucky you, half of UK govt. uses IE6
 
@gorelative So what? You want to play with the webkids instead?
That throw tech-facts about their smartphones onto-each other each other day?
 
@Leigh Taiming the beast :)
 
@hakre i was inferring that our It department is slow, and retarded at doing anything ... while i agree with webarto's comment about not blocking sites, its just not the policy here.. We have several employees which use github for corporate based projects, yet they deemed it necessary to block it..
 
@gorelative Well, never stop a running system, so actually XP still has support and I think even IE6/IE7 are kept alive, so does not sound wrong to me.
 
2:26 PM
@webarto I see no point in blocking websites either
 
It's OK in some cases, but not in IT department, although I don't know what Mike is doing there :)
 
well yeah, but we have had an initiative to rollout win7 since a year after it came out.. and were just now at the point of machine reimaging.. not like were the size of Intel.. we have ~3200 workstations on the corp lan..
@webarto accounts receivable. Absolutely nothing to do with the IT dept, or hardware management.
 
Hi Mike @gorelative
 
plant a virus :P
 
hakre, it just makes me sadd to see how much money big names like this waste on some very useless procedures.. Pays the bills though eh =)
@ircmaxell guess i should read the RFC straight from PHP eh?
 
2:29 PM
@NikiC's blog wouldn't qualify as some kiddie's site
 
didnt realize that =P
 
download drivers from Dell they said, it will be fast, they said
 
/me is enjoying writing some jQuery Javascript using jQuery for a change. Is /me a bad person? :-|
 
no, jQuery is great
function poll()
{
    $.ajax({ url: "/notifications/xhr", success: function(response)
    {
        window[response.action](response.data);

    }, dataType: "json", complete: poll, timeout: 60000 });
}
 
ummmm.....
 
2:33 PM
better than Javascript
 
posted on August 01, 2012 by Anthony Ferrara

If you've been following me for a while, you've likely heard me use the term "N-Tier Architecture" before. Today's question comes from Arno. He basically asked "What is this N-Tier Architecture thing you keep talking about?"... So, to answer his question, a N-Tier Architecture is one that uses more than one tier. Of course there's more to it than that... Read more »

 
Cannot tell if being trolled...
= .=
or being helped.
 
read this last night: cirw.in/blog/time-to-move-on ... thoughts?
oh goody another ircmaxell article to read..
 
2:38 PM
I'm sirius @deceze it's great for some things, but it is abused raped... that is why I can't stand it anymore... jQuery this, jQuery that... btw, need help?
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A: Dynamic database admin framework for php application?

jderdaYou probably look for something like Yii - http://www.yiiframework.com/ Screencast on http://www.yiiframework.com/screencasts/ named 3rd stop - CRUD County is probably what you're looking for

 
@webarto Nope, as I said, actually enjoying it. Need to implement a carousel-slider kinda thingamajig, started hating the world looking at existing plugins, now wrote my own -> joy.
 
dafuq
 
@gorelative Eih, I think it's overcomplicating things. What he posts is actually MVC, he's just formalizing the intercommunication between everything with "events" instead of the default coupling...
 
> Hey Mike, i moved smoething to my desktop and now theres a blue square around all the text for all my icons... how can i fix this?
srsly?
 
@ircmaxell great article
 
2:41 PM
@deceze gmarwaha.com/jquery/jcarousellite I modified this one to suit my needs, and it's working great... others make me wanna puke... they are written by everyone...
 
thanks!
 
@hanleyhansen x2, @ircmaxell's articles are always well written.
 
@webarto Oh gee, I've seen and used that before, gave me rashes for some reason or other as well.
 
not only informative. it's interesting too. big difference. some tech guys have good info but poor presentation so they lose their audience quickly. @ircmaxell does a good job balancing that out.
 
@deceze yeah, it's old though... this one > jquery.malsup.com/cycle
 
2:44 PM
 
@Leigh Why not?
 
I'm using this and dynamically filling it with slides using php for my work website.
 
@ircmaxell Is the PHP <-> PHP supposed to be a web page talking to a daemon?
 
No, it's simplifiying having Apache instances all over the place
 
@ircmaxell I think I'd like it more if the other platforms talked directly to the database, instead of to php
 
2:45 PM
Guys, I said I just wrote my own because all the existing ones don't work for me! ;P
 
@Leigh Which results in great duplication of code. And major security issues (really, you want an iOS device to talk directly to a backend DB???
 
@ircmaxell I wouldn't want an iOS device tbh
 
I'm just now getting into PHP internals and RFC's.. I'm interested in this RFC (wiki.php.net/rfc/annotations-in-docblock) which is in the Discussion phase - is there any way to view this discussion?
 
2:48 PM
@MikeB Why is there even an RFC for that. A comment is a comment. Write what you want there, but keep PHP ignoring it.
 
@Leigh PHPUnit, Symfony2, and Doctrine2 use them to seemingly positive effect. The idea of a framework supporting this sort of meta-data is attractive to me
Those projects basically implement the same kind of reflection proposed in the rfc
 
@MikeB So use their implementations.
 
It's not something I would use in a core-library.. but when implementing a framework it makes sense
 
no, it doesn't.
comments are comments. they're meant to be ignored by the interpreter.
 
Amen!
 
2:52 PM
@Leigh by that logic, we'd never have generators, password_hash, classes, etc...
 
Sup?
 
@cHao they aren't ignored right now...
 
Comments lie.. if your comments controlled the functionality of your implementation then they can't lie
 
in C#, 5 mins ago, by Hans Z
"How many SEO experts do you need to change a lightbulb lightbulbs buy light bulbs neon lights sex porn"
:D
 
2:53 PM
@ircmaxell That's not true, there's always room to do something useful. Making comments something that's not comments, is not useful.
 
cv-pls this room
@PeeHaa do you need php 5.3 compatibility?
 
I'm off swimming, see you later.
 
@ircmaxell wherever they're not ignored, i'd file a bug report.
 
2:54 PM
@MikeB still on the subject of annotations in PHP eh? hah
 
@gorelative Yep, still :)
I found an RFC trying to standardize what we were discussing the other day (wiki.php.net/rfc/annotations-in-docblock)
 
@cHao why? Because you don't understand or appreciate the use-case means that nobody can benefit from that style of programming?
 
@ircmaxell btw, thanks for the mailing list link
 
@ircmaxell Well that's ridiculous and should never have been implemented imo
 
@ircmaxell because comments should not matter. if you want annotations, feel free to put them in real code. but don't fuck with my comments, k?
 
2:56 PM
@Leigh HUH?
 
Have you ever heard of metaprogramming?
Metaprogramming is the writing of computer programs that write or manipulate other programs (or themselves) as their data, or that do part of the work at compile time that would otherwise be done at runtime. In some cases, this allows programmers to minimize the number of lines of code to express a solution (hence reducing development time), or it gives programs greater flexibility to efficiently handle new situations without recompilation. The language in which the metaprogram is written is called the metalanguage. The language of the programs that are manipulated is called the object...
 
@ircmaxell I was writing self-modifying programs before I'd even heard of PHP to be honest
 
@ircmaxell heard of it, yeah. support it, yeah. IN CODE. But the day PHP complains because my comments aren't compatible, i'm done with it. Period.
 

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