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1:00 PM
Quote from your link:
> Note that the byte code of the two methods is almost exactly the same. There's a small difference, in that the version with the ternary operator contains a goto instruction, while the version with the if just immediately does areturn. Which of these is faster or more efficient is hard to say.

In practice you will not notice any difference between using a ternary operator or using an if statement.

Do not use one or the other just because you think one is more efficient than the other. These kind of micro-optimisations almost never make any sense.
 
Because I'm not interested in winning an argument for argument's sake
 
sbi
@JohnSmith You don't walk into a disco bar and get upset that they aren't playing jazz. If you do, the club is under no obligation to care that you don't like disco, much less why. I can't put it any plainer than that, and the fact that you won't let this bone go provides quite a bit of insight into why things happened the way they did. — Tim Post 1 min ago
A pretty good statement from Tim, resembling my resentments against the guy.
 
@rubenvb Disregard the "I think it's this way" post, and look at the sample program and benchmarks done instead.
 
Yeah, we're being defended by people who don't seem to care much about the Lounge otherwise. It's cool.
 
9 mins ago, by sehe
@Neil That doesn't usually make a iota of difference
I agree with this until proven otherwise.
One line of assembly is not going to change my mind.
 
1:03 PM
It's kind of insulting that after 40 years branching needs to be "manually optimized". The compiler ought to be smart enough to analyze the context and help where it can, automatically.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore if anything else is the case. I use the ternary operator because I want to be a little slicker, not to optimize anything. If a statement is compatible for a one-liner, I do it.
The compiler needs to do the right thing. Be it heuristics or a deterministic analysis.
We all have far more important things to worry about when we write code. That's why we made the damn compilers and languages.
 
@sbi The feeling I get from the whole thing is that this guy sees any kind of opposition as a sign that he's right.
 
Is that John Smith the guy who frequented Lounge<C++> and then got mad at us for not answering his question?
 
sbi
I think I have heard this "I don't want to live on this planet anymore it..." meme a bit often from you young people lately. If you would seriously consider ending your life just because compiler optimization techniques aren't where you would want them to be, you might consider jumping out of the window right now, because life's gonna hand you things much worse that this.
 
It was a joke. </EDI>
 
sbi
@DomagojPandža Why don't you just follow the link to check your hypothesis?
@DomagojPandža As are many memes.
Of course, I was totally serious.
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, something like this.
 
1:09 PM
@sbi You're always serious, you wouldn't be grumpy otherwise.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Lawful Good
 
sbi
@sbi And you need to understand that I never "needed something from you." Again, here is another example of me giving you a snark-free response only to get more arrogant crap from you. "You don't need to listen to me"? Exactly what I'm talking about, here. Why are people here so highfalutin? And I'm the arrogant one?! Give me a break! — John Smith 8 mins ago
What a prick.
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Well, I think I should let go now. He's beyond salvaging him.
 
@StackedCrooked I'm more of a True Neutral myself. Or maybe Neutral Good.
 
Arrogance comes from inexperienced children. They feel the need to prove something, to be "better than others", to find mistakes in benign attempts of help from other people... Just because they are little spacedicks. It's irritating.
Responding to them is good for the lols, but not for the nerves.
 
Wow. Can't believe that guy is still /butthurt.
 
1:16 PM
He comes off as an incredibly hard headed guy. Of course he's still butthurt.
But the more he whines, the more I feel like banning him was the right choice.
 
@sbi Salvaging others is hardly ever a viable goal. It should just be attempted when the victim actively cooperates
 
@sehe It's always worth trying.
 
@SamDeHaan Whining really helps in keeping the aggravation fresh
@EtiennedeMartel Not always.
 
The John Smith discussion is funny as hell
 
Came in here figured you'd all be talking about me :)
Right as usual.
 
1:18 PM
Well, it's not like we have anything better to do.
 
^that
 
Yes, it's not like you're in here all the time either
 
@rubenvb Remember he came in to say hi. And hello. He doesn't always wear dark glasses
 
that's what "regulars" are for
 
I don't understand how people can enter a community on the internet and think they come in at a level of equal, let alone at a level of better. You start out below the bottom man on the totem pole.
 
1:19 PM
not the point Sam
 
@JohnSmith I think it's safe to say that most of us spend a hell of a lot of time in here.
 
I just did not appreciate being told to fuck off, and I didn't appreciate being accused of making up well-known mathematical notation.
 
Not your point, because you don't understand it.
 
@JohnSmith are you talking to me? I can't tell, as you're not conversing the chat.so way.
 
@JohnSmith Ok?
 
1:19 PM
that's why I am not letting it go until people acknowledge this
 
@JohnSmith Oh hi. Can we help you with something?
 
Some cookies perhaps?
 
@JohnSmith The more you fight, the more you come off as an asshole.
 
@JohnSmith Did you understand any of the reasoning that others have attempted to explain things?
 
You didn't appreciate it? The person who did it apologized.
 
1:20 PM
So, people react defensively.
 
No, because I am making a legitimate point that nobody else is willing to acknowledge because of bandwagon mentality
 
@EtiennedeMartel Be-that-as-it-may, explaining that won't help much either
 
That's why I am pushing this so hard
 
bandwagon ftw!
 
1:20 PM
yep\
 
@Collin ^that
 
@Sam and I acknowledged I should have provided a link or asked on the main site. It still doesn't excuse the way I was treated.
 
@JohnSmith you know that's a very sarcastic comic right?
 
@rubenvb of course
 
1:21 PM
@JohnSmith The person who told you to fuck off apologized.
@JohnSmith What more did you need?
 
@SamDeHaan COOKIES!
 
@Sam An acknowledgement that I wasn't just making shit up and asking a question from the twilight zone or something
 
 
Usually when the bandwagon totals at an IQ of +2800 in just this room, I'm willing to tag along with its mentality.
 
Daaaaaaamn it. If I had been treated the same way as you, I would have gotten over it by now. Maybe that's just me.
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1:22 PM
@JohnSmith As various people who commented on your /ragethread pointed out, that notation isn't instantly recognizable even to mathematicians.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The fact that nobody is willing to acknowledge it is the reason
 
@JohnSmith No one claimed your question was from the 'twilight zone'. They only said that you didn't provide enough information. And all you said was "dude, it's easy, everybody knows it, l2google".
 
@Sam Except that it is. Look at the wiki. Look at Mathworld. Look at Google. Look at other forums. It's standard notation.
 
@JohnSmith No. We have absolutely no obligation to do any of those things. Ever. Ever.
 
Then don't accuse me of making up notation
 
1:23 PM
Why are we arguing
 
Simple as that
 
Can someone make him madbro again so we have better things to flag?
 
@JohnSmith then don't accuse us/them of not helping you.
 
@rubenvb I never made that accusation.
 
@JohnSmith We don't care. Drop the case, it's not worth it. Now you're just arguing to save your pride.
 
1:24 PM
@JohnSmith then what is it you're accusing us of?
 
@rubenvb Genocide! And smelly feet!
 
I acknowledge your superiority in every field of science, your Highness - Mr. Smith. I'm sure Gauss and Leibniz would take turns sucking your dick if they could.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, duh... I'm the one who got banned as a result of being provoked by a herd of people accusing me of making stuff up.
 
@jalf oh, phew, I thought it was COOKIES!
 
you can't accuse people of cookies :|
 
1:26 PM
EVERYBODY: Commit chatticide and PRESS IGNORE simultaneously?
Probelmo solvo
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@JohnSmith You do realize that 1) No one in this chat is going to take your side unless you come off your high horse, and 2) Your little meta thread is not going to make the moderators ban everyone else involved. Your pride is unsalvagable.
 
@JohnSmith Nobody accuses you of making stuff up. I'm accusing you being stuck-up :)
 
@SamDeHaan I'm not the one on a high horse. That's the whole point
@sehe I have quotes that contradict you and say otherwise
 
@sehe accusing you of being
 
@JohnSmith See? We have different ways of seeing things. When a whole group turns against me, I wonder what I did to piss them all off. When a whole group turns against you, you just write is off as "bandwagon behaviour" and consider yourself right.
 
1:27 PM
@rubenvb Calm down. I could see that being offensive more than funny
 
> Came in here figured you'd all be talking about me :)
Right as usual.
@JohnSmith You're right. That doesn't come off assholish at all.
 
Well, some people are usually right
 
@sehe Are you accusing me of making stuff up?
 
Explain to me how I'm the one on the high horse when I'm the one who was told to fuck off; I asked an innocent algorithm question. People ganged up on me just because of that for no reason, accused me of making up notation, and started herd-attacking me and then wondered why I tried to defend myself.
 
Actually, no. People ganged on you because you became aggressive.
 
1:28 PM
@EtiennedeMartel And when people completely ignore my side of things, it makes me think that something is wrong with the bandwagon mentality.
 
The source of every problem online is usually found in oneself.
 
the f-off thing was apologized for. Stop dragging that into the discussion.
 
@JohnSmith Or maybe you're just plain wrong. Ever thought about that?
 
@JohnSmith The fact that you don't have a leg to stand on is made obvious by the fact that you keep bringing up the f-off.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I already acknowledged what I was wrong about. You guys haven't.
 
1:29 PM
Admitting one is plain wrong, or at least wrong would make him a decent human being, respected by his peers.
 
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We wouldn't want that, would we now?
 
@JohnSmith where did that happen (seriously, I must have missed that). <- not being aggressive.
 
@rubenvb where did what happen
 
1:30 PM
I figure I could post a question on meta. I'm pretty sure the ignore user function is broken. Nothing else explains this situation
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John Smith - Never gonna give you up (until you acknowledge me)
 
@JohnSmith follow the conversation (mouse over my message and see what I'm replying to).
 
Fuck it. I'm done talking with you.
 
Hi James, warning: you might want to temporarily ignore some user(s) or you might witness a mudfight you probably didn't bargain for
@rubenvb Prolly on meta
 
Oh, this ignore function is so pretty. Made him go away. :$
 
1:32 PM
I know you're going to feel smugly superior, but to hell with that, I'm not wasting my time with someone who can't realize he's wrong.
 
@sehe see that's not very clear is it? I'll stop if you guys want me to stop. I'm just curious as to why he's trying to so this.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You aren't willing to realize when you're wrong so I can say the same to you.
 
@JohnSmith High horse?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Ah, never mind, That's just everybody but you driving the wrong lane. Just keep telling them, and you might eventually persuade them to turn around.
 
@Sam High horse?
 
1:33 PM
@JohnSmith He ignored you. He can't see any of your messages anymore. The powerz of the internetz
 
@rubenvb Because despite the fact I admitted I was defensive and should have asked elsewhere, nobody is acknowledging that the reason I was defensive in the first place was because of unprovoked snark in my direction on two occasions
 
Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.
 
@JohnSmith Yes, yours is showing again. When it's you against a community, you don't win by acting like you're better than everyone.
 
Wait... I haven't really followed this debacle, but is someone seriously whining about people being snarky in this chat room?
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instead they're just bandwagoning together and making fun of me/calling me arrogant/calling me high-horse because it's easier than admitting when they're wrong about something
 
1:34 PM
@jalf yup, unbelievable, right?
 
@JohnSmith Did you just learn the word bandwagon in school yesterday? Jesus, learn some new vocabulary.
 
@Sam Just repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true. I'm not saying i'm better than anyone.
 
BANDWAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON.
 
craze, fad, fashion, mania, rage, trend
^that's google for ya
 
Has the ragegument ended?
 
1:35 PM
 
dafuq is going on in here?
 
someone is whining that someone said something about someone to someone else
 
@TonyTheLion not sex or porn. That's clear.
 
@JohnSmith Good luck in life. I think you're going to need it.
 
sbi
Ok, I have had it with him. Here's the deal: I am going to leave this computer for 5mins now. Everybody still discussing with John Smith when I come back will end up discussing things with him on my ignore list.
 
1:35 PM
can't you guys just be peaceful with oneanother, or do you always need the Lion to come fix it for you? :P
 
something about high horses and bandwagons
 
@TonyTheLion Butthurt. And then some more butthurt. And also, a bandwagon seems to be drivin' around.
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No, it's a case of people being stubborn but accusing me of being stubborn instead
 
the band's high horse is pulling a wagon, I believe
 
1:37 PM
Some people need to learn how to talk to other people.
 
@JohnSmith Maybe both statements are true.
 
Stop with the flags, it's annoying
 
I blame the parents.
 
@JohnSmith euh, I think you misunderstood purpose of this room. You're going right against what we seem to be about in this room.
 
the situation was clearly a two-way street and it is upsetting to me that people aren't acknowledging that
 
1:37 PM
I wish the Robot was here to provide tropes for this argument.
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@JohnSmith the fact that you're still talking about this kind of implies that you, too, are just a wee bit stubborn
 
Use the ignore feature. Banning is only for 30 minutes anyways.
 
Baaam, ignored.
 
my point right there
 
now, do we all have to ignore everyone else, ro can we talk about something else?
 
1:37 PM
Y NO PERMABAN?
 
Baam, ignored!
 
instead of acknowledging fault, just ignore ignore ignore insult insult insult
 
Let's ignore everyone except the person to our right
 
@Pubby Then can we play telephone?
 
Yeah
 
1:38 PM
Am I wrong to say that (for i from 1 to n-1; (for j from i to n)) has complexity O(n logn)?
 
I prefer mumble to telephone.
 
This is the internet, if you can't get over it, you shouldn't be on the internet!
 
@JohnSmith I think quite a few people who "ignore ignore ignore" have not even been involved in your little whine-fest, so I don't see why they would admit any fault. Maybe they're just tired of listening to this garbage... Just a thought
 
nah I am done
@jalf and that's justified
But a lot of those people were present, actually
 
must...
 
1:39 PM
@JohnSmith Being present is not the same as being at fault
 
resist...
feeding...
the...
 
oh yea, QUIT THE FUCKING FLAGGING, IT's FUCKING ANNOYING
 
@SamDeHaan Uhoh. Sam, you're out of line character
 
troll...
 
lol, all the stars
 
1:40 PM
stars! Yay!
 
lol
 
and with that, you're going on my ignore list too. I have no stake in whatever it is you were fighting about, it's not my problem and I don't care about it
 
@sehe I felt the need to add some dramatic finality to my portion of the ragegument.
 
i'm done talking about it anyway
 
I'd like to see the ignorance flag next to ignore.
 
1:41 PM
me too
 
@rubenvb Ignore instead?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Only minutes late! I put in a request for tropes and it even got stars :O
 
@sehe I don't like self-censorship.
 
I like food.
 
@rubenvb That's not self-censorship. Think about it. I think it's a sign of maturity
 
sbi
1:42 PM
So, I see I gave you 7mins, even. Anyone still feeling like feeding the troll?
 
@SamDeHaan You know the rules, gropes before tropes.
 
@sbi +1
 
9_9
 
lol he thinks I am trolling
 
user50049
1:43 PM
I think I'm going to enjoy being an alcoholic.
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I sometimes wonder how people like John Smith look like while they argue.
 
sbi
@sehe Um, are you raising your hand?
 
@TimPost lol
 
@sehe sure, but I'm pretty philosophical when it comes to this.
 
What is the expression on their face, I imagine it to be the same as the one while taking a dump in the toilet.
 
1:43 PM
@DomagojPandža Just sitting here, nothing special
 
@DomagojPandža Food is good. Especially good food.
 
user50049
Ya'll can, you know, stop flagging stuff because I'm .. you know .. HERE
 
Oh noes, flags all over.
 
Ok, what in the love of god is going on in here?
 
I'm going to do some work for a change. Plink me when the room is usable for procrastination again.
 
1:44 PM
Not on the toilet, in
 
@Octavian Stubbornness meeting stubbornness
 
@rubenvb Mmm. That's some strange usage of the word philosophical censorship that I wasn't previously aware of
 
sbi
Uncle @Tim, please make him stop bothering us.
 
@OctavianDamiean We got assaulted by an angry troll.
 
user50049
WILL YOU STOP TOUCHING ME???!!
 
1:45 PM
There's more to it than that, of course, but I think that sums it up.
 
@sbi No. See starboard :)
 
Ah, I see. Tim is already on it.
 
Intervention time.
 
jumps on his unicorn and flies away
 
@OctavianDamiean I called him in. It went out of hand with abuse of stars
 
1:45 PM
lol mods are funny
 
sbi
@sehe I am confused.
 
Unicorns are yesterday's news. Multicorns are the new gangsta.
 
@sehe since when can stars be abused?
 
unicrons
 
sbi
@TimPost What? Are you drunk, uncle @Tim? You smell funny, and you walk so unsteady, and also you fail to understand.
 
1:46 PM
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
I hope this works.
 
user50049
This horse ... has been drawn and quartered, then beaten to a bloody pulp with it's own limbs.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, it does. Now go ahead and selectively provide access. (Didn't you want to do work?)
 
I'm not sure switching it to Gallery is a good idea.
 
Thanks for accepting me. I feel wanted already :)
 
1:47 PM
Hey what happened?
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel We had used it before as a temporary measure, and it worked splendidly.
 
good grief, what happened now?
 
Well, as long as it's temporary.
 
the gallery is not a bad idea, if only to keep trolls out
 
sbi
@RadekdaknokSlupik I pinned the notification. /cc @jalf, @Radek
 
1:48 PM
@RadekdaknokSlupik Switch to gallery mode, troll-evasion maneuvers have just been engaged.
 
Gallery mode? What is this, android chat?
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Boo ya.
 
user50049
1:48 PM
You don't need to switch to gallery. I don't intend to let this continue. I think everyone has said all they care to say on the matter, and yes - continuing it at this point will be considered a deliberate disruption.
 
our inner Android is coming to life
 
sbi
1 min ago, by sbi
@EtiennedeMartel We had used it before as a temporary measure, and it worked splendidly.
Haha, now the guy himself wants access!
 
user50049
@sbi I smell funny because of this six year old vomiting contraption I had to take care of all day :P I always walk funny.
 
@sbi Why? I just answered your question: I don't feel like feedin the troll.See:
24 mins ago, by sehe
EVERYBODY: Commit chatticide and PRESS IGNORE simultaneously?
Probelmo solvo
20 mins ago, by sehe
I figure I could post a question on meta. I'm pretty sure the ignore user function is broken. Nothing else explains this situation
 
sbi
1:50 PM
@TimPost And why did you think somebody touched you? (And what's with those big eyes? And those ears? OMG!)
 
@sbi Several times in fact
@TimPost Still no hat in the avatar, though
 
sbi
@sehe Ah, now I get it. You expressed agreement with what I wrote. Sorry for being so dense.
 
@sbi It was kind of hectic :)
 
user50049
@sehe That's due to my gimpy GIMP skills. I'm seriously considering printing out my gravatar, using a marker to add the hat and then scanning it.
 
I was serious about that "doing some work" part, so I won't be whitelisting anyone else now (the others can do it if they want to). If you're not given access upon request, please don't assume I'm being a dick. I'm just writing code instead.
 
1:52 PM
@TimPost If you have some patience, I could gimp it up for you. I'm at work though. Will be late night for me to...
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, there are other room owners can help out. I'll keep an eye on the requests
 
@TimPost Pretty sure that's either a super early GIMP beta version, or a highly advanced version of GIMP we won't get for a few more years. Or both.
 
Woah, what happened.
Why are we Gallery?
 
Somebody set us up the bomb
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Quarantined. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Why don't you first look at the top of the starboard (and then all the way down).
 
1:54 PM
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Actually, isn't that more of an inverted quarantine?
 
user50049
 
@EtiennedeMartel What's the difference?
 
user50049
I was able to do that without much hassle, but can't seem to find a suitable top hat
 
I see a mod that's going to enjoy being an alcoholic, then funny mods, then harassed mods, then tropes, then bandwagon, then something about ignoring then something about flagging.
It doesn't really paint much of a picture.
 
1:55 PM
@TimPost Perhaps there's more room for one on the table?
 
@sehe The difference is that we quarantined the outside world, not the room.
 
@sehe If we were quarantined we wouldn't be able to leave.
 
sbi
Ok, since the guy isn't learning, and since all this discussing on meta did was to draw him back here, I propose to close-vote the question on meta. Anyone with me on that?
 
And we're already not able to leave.
 
@CatPlusPlus Our favorite trollcake, John Smith, came in for revenge.
 
1:55 PM
So, we're quarantained. Reminds me of ill-specified partitioning problems
Bwahahaha
 
Ah, this guy.
 
@sbi How will that help?
 
@sbi If I had more meta-rep, I'd be with you.
 
And that warrants a quarantine, how?
 
He smeared shit all over the place before @TimPost came in to save the day.
 
sbi
1:56 PM
@sehe Stops discussions.
 
@Pubby Good point
 
Is stupidity suddenly contagious?
 
Singletons.
 
@sbi I don't think the person behaviour will be changed
 
That as well.
 
user50049
1:56 PM
@sehe Not a bad idea at all :) I could probably do it in a way that looked like it was part of the original image (which has been a series of unfortunate failures so far)
 
sbi
@sehe I don't care. I just want him off our backs, whether he'll change or not.
 
Also I had a dream where some guy came here and asked how to hack someone with satellites, and we had to flag him.
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sbi
@EtiennedeMartel You have a quite colorful language. And a particular color at that.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah it would be better if we all practiced clicking the ignore link for 15 minutes, then try again, in the 'real world'
 
user50049
Yeah, this has gotten beyond obsessive and now borders on creepy.
 
1:57 PM
@CatPlusPlus hahah lol
 
27 mins ago, by sehe
I figure I could post a question on meta. I'm pretty sure the ignore user function is broken. Nothing else explains this situation
 
@sbi You should hear my French. It's even worse.
 
I mean, I now chat even in dreams.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus It's only fitting, since many are dreaming here in the chat.
 
chat 24/7 * 365 days per year, time to live? Nope.
 
1:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus Start mumbling yet?
 
How do you know you're not dreaming right now?
 
@CatPlusPlus Seen to much James Bond recently?
 
@TonyTheLion Good the cat sleeps a lot
 
sbi
Ah, now I understand @Tim:
 
1:59 PM
this room has been the subject of quite a few interesting quibbles between individuals...
 
sbi
I've spent 14 hours looking after a six year old vomiting machine, and an hour showering. Now I'm off to work. Dearest Monday - f*** you! :)
BTDT, @Tim, and got a lot of lousy shirts.
@TonyTheLion Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 

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