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4:21 PM
i like tortles
 
What is a "tortle"?
Is it... an orange turtle?
 
true
note 2 myself: quit answering questions w/ 'true'
 
true doh!
 
programming screws people up. I see logical inconsistence all around.
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@ArnisL True :)
just don't let it get to you in real life situations, if you start thinking what is logical around you and what is not you will end up in some institution
world isn't logical place, at least our puny minds can't comprehend it as such
 
SB
4:41 PM
deep
 
4:52 PM
Hello.
 
hi
 
room's all quiet
 
for the last few minutes
 
There are more rooms, not all are quiet at the same time :)
 
This room is very zen.
If I create a room and no one sees it. Does it exist?
 
4:58 PM
you can't create a room that nobody sees (:
 
:)
So, what is everyone up to today?
 
study study
 
worky worky
 
study worky
Having a laptop in class is a bad idea. I'm so distracted.
 
class diagrams ftw
 
5:03 PM
class diagrams ? You mean the thing you do after you did your code :p
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pictures ftw. I draw a lot of pictures before I write code... most of the time... sometimes
 
HoLyVieR no, we need to design a service layer with a domain model
 
@rebus just as You said - it's our puny minds. not possible to push whole world into ones mind. fun to try though.
 
mind.push(world);
 
SB
bored @ work
 
5:07 PM
bored @ class. will be bored @ work in about .5 hours
 
SB
what are you taking
 
bored after class
 
bored during class
 
Distributed Web Applications
Currently the prof is going over message digests and signing apps and such.
 
Software Design
 
5:09 PM
I'm still in college, I wish I had better course :/
 
I'm getting back to college after... 6 years for my masters. Tried to join twice before... 3rd time's the charm. 1st time I had to go to Iraq. 2nd time I almost went to Iraq again.
 
Afternoon everyone
 
afternoon
 
Just dropping by the Tavern after a hard days coding :P Now then..where's the beer?
 
@JamieDixon beer is on chat.meta.stackoverflow.com
 
5:15 PM
Here there's only wine
 
@LasseVKarlsen Say it ain't so! I want the beer!
 
Haha. Makes sense
 
PYOB - Program your own beer
 
Is it like the 99 bottles of beer program
 
5:18 PM
code golf - output lyrics to 99 bottles of beer
 
The program would get through about 9 bottles of beer before getting agressive and smashing up it's own computer and strangling the mouse to death
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99BottlesProgram - Un Stella Artois Mode
 
while(im == awesome)
might as well put a break in there as the first line
 
see you guys later. i'm out
 
bye vivin
 
bye @Quinn1000
 
5:23 PM
so what happened to Quinn999 ?
 
He ate a 1
 
maybe it's Quinn8 in binary
 
and what did quinn eat?
 
quinn999
 
010100010111010101101001011011100110111000110001001100000011000000110000
 
5:25 PM
@James 0001111001110101010101110001
 
oh no.. what have i started?
 
Helo everybody
I just wondering is there any place in World like SO Taven
but to be realplace
is there any city/kaffe whic looks like SO
 
0110010001101111011101010110001001110100011001100111010101101100 ado
 
0100101010010010201001000010101
 
5:31 PM
and if there is, and there were people drinking and trying to talk in binary ascii...
 
only in some far off parallel dimension ...
 
I am was not thinking about Binary orders
just place where you can find lot of programers
we justu have aero club caffe
 
far off in a parallel dimension, some high level beings are laughing at us for using this stupid letter based symbol language
 
or sample billiard club
when you are inside billiard club most of subject are cules tables sticks games
and so on
 
Olafur, they are probably laughing even harder that we are using arbitrary representations of numbers and not their 'true forms'.... 'hahaha... look at the silly humans! they cannot even instantly factor large numbers'
 
 
1 hour later…
6:39 PM
hi all
is there anybody out there?
 
oh, plenty of us
 
What't the this room about?
 
Here we have our fill of bytes and bits, and then tell of tales of other times we've had our fill of bytes and bits
 
Just general chin-wagging. A water cooler, etc.
 
@James, I've read about that sentence currently, but as I'm not native English speaker, didn't understand the real meaning.
Thanks Marc
 
6:46 PM
@afsharm are you in a chinese room?
 
Why Chinese? I'm from Middle East.
 
@afsharm Yes, that description is pretty idiomatic, it could probably be followed up with something a bit more concrete
 
because that is the name of the experiment. In the same way that Schrödinger singled out cats.
 
What you said made me think of the thought experiment by John Searle. Reading without understanding and whatnot...
 
If only Schrödinger had known about transparent plastic boxes, so many cats could still be alive today...
 
6:50 PM
Oh my God! Getting confused more... For the God's sake Who is Schrodinger?
 
tnks for links. I read about Chinese Room. And I must yes I'm in a Chinese room.
 
@James But will hydrocyanic acid melt through plastic and "open" the box?
 
According to wikipedia, it only weakly acidic, so I'm guessing not.
But if so, someone needs to invent transparent aluminum already
 
7:06 PM
hello
 
7:17 PM
its rather quiet around here
 
*cricket* *cricket*
 
lol
 
yep
 
7:33 PM
/me drops a pin
 
hehehe, /me and italics? (;
 
How about two-way smileys? :∫:
 
no ):
 
hey!
 
hey
what's the topic right now? 'How to not speak to each other'
 
7:51 PM
Hello
 
good bye
 
hello
what's new?
 
guten morgen
nothin
 
Guten Tag
sprichst du Deutsch?
 
I'm gettin nothin 4 Christmass
hablas espanol?
 
7:52 PM
lol
nope, no spanish for me
 
me no speak english
 
hablo espanol un poco..
 
@Chacha102 sry, that was just a joke
spaming a bit
 
Ich kann Deutsch
 
Es muy abburido..
 
7:53 PM
mir auch
 
I bought a watch with a slide rule on it
 
voting to close - this is getting too localized
I just lost in Starcraft2 match
TvZ imba
 
I just got back from Blizzcon
 
lucky You :P
learning some new VIM tricks VS reading a book. hard decision...
 
8:09 PM
@Tony I've seen quit a lot of German speakers in the Tavern (compared to the amount of conversations I've had here anyway). We should make a Biergarten room. So we can demonstrate "How not to speak to each other" in German I guess...
Anyway, I'm off to bed. g'night.
 
8:28 PM
lol
 
Question: Who here likes coffee?
 
me
love coffee
:)
 
who doesn't?
 
donno
some of my family don't like coffee
 
If you like coffee, do you think it has any negative effects on your health? :O
 
8:36 PM
possibly, it definitly has a dehydrating effect
so I try to limit myself on coffee
 
Yeah, i have a bottle of water i try to drink in parrallel
 
yep
good idea
 
8:56 PM
cerebral caffeination, can't work without it...
 
I like the background on that site, how it changes down the bottom
Oh man
Totally thought i still had some left in my mug : (
 
Hello (again)
 
9:51 PM
anyone tried firesheep?
 
@rebus: are those like ElectricSheep?
 
hah... firesheep is da new hype!
should be fun
 
Hi people. Is this just a general chat room?
 
Looks fairly pointless, have been able to do this for eons (or is Firefox integration the point?)
 
@deannolan yep - no discussions about hacking though (like Firesheep) :)
 
9:59 PM
/me nods
 
although if people are running unsecured Wi-Fi networks then they get what they deserve ...
 
it's a silly thing, but wide availability might push big sites towards using more SSL in the future
and make people secure their wifi ofc
 
@PiersMyers i think that 'the point' is that now it's so damn easy even for mortals. :)
 
cool, so where is the room to vent off about being a rubbish developer? ;)
 
that's over in #php (high hat!). Thanks, I'm here all week
 
10:02 PM
:)
 
@AdamWright ha, good one
 
10:13 PM
lol
 
10:23 PM
Hey guys, can anyone give me a hand with this,it's been bugging me. What's the property of a function where f(a) + f(b) == f(a + b)?
 
it's linear?
 
Is it? Wikipedia for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_function doesn't seem to agree :/
I take it back, wolfram does mathworld.wolfram.com/LinearFunction.html
thankyou!
 
no problem
and you might want to look at linear systems if you are using wikipedia
i think the article on linear function is just the equation of a line etc
 
Yeah it is
Thanks for that, I needed the name so I could do some googling on a related topic!
So I don't suppose anyone knows a hash function that has the linear property?
a cryptographically secure one
 
10:39 PM
@Martin
@Martin: Actually, it's additive not linear.
 
Hello?
Ah
The mathworld link above looks pretty convincing for it being Linear :/
but then wikipedia agrees with additive
sigh
 
A linear function is both additive (the criterion you asked about) and also satisfies f(ax) = a*f(x)
Over the rational numbers, additive and linear are the same
but over the real numbers, there are some highly pathological functions that are additive but not linear.
 
ahh
 
Cauchy's functional equation is the functional equation : f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y). \ Solutions to this are called additive functions. Over the rational numbers, it can be shown using elementary algebra that there is a single family of solutions, namely f(x) = cx \ for any arbitrary rational number c. Over the real numbers, this is still a family of solutions; however there can exist other solutions that are extremely complicated. Further constraints on f sometimes preclude other solutions, for example: * if f is continuous (proven by Cauchy in 1821). This condition was weakened in 1875 by Dar...
has some examples
 
So for a hash function, I want additive and not linear
 
10:41 PM
yay, I'm math illiterate. stop that jibber-jabber!
 
Hey, it's all to do with programming in the end!
 
Generally, you don't want a hash function to be additive
 
I need an additive cryptographic hash function to verify data blocks
 
unless it's for a fairly special purpose
 
It's for a digital fountain system, I know the hashes for A, B and C, and I have a packet with A ^ B ^ C in, so I want to verify that
 
10:42 PM
Well, over the integers (like binary data) additive and linear are the same
 
@Martin not that I'm proud or happy about that 0_0
 
Are there such things as additive hash functions which are cryptographically secure? :/
 
hi guys quick SQL question. if you Select from two different tables, and you reference a column name that appears in both tables, does it choose one of them by default? I know you can avoid ambiguity by writing table.attribute for everything, but i need to know if it reliably chooses the first table listed after FROM
 
@Martin: sorry, not up-to-date enough on the crypto literature to know that.
 
Ok,thanks for your help though :)
 
11:02 PM
@Andrew I am relatively certain that it won't pick, and it will tell you it is ambiguous and that you will have to clear it up
 
11:16 PM
medicine.stackexhange.com
...My messages appeared out of order.
Odd.
 
11:31 PM
woah, anyone else getting 503 errors on SO?
 
yeah
they've been having some db issues
 
:/
 
when it comes back up, check out
 
I'm getting awful slowness
 
11:33 PM
especially when adding/reading comments
in fact it has gone offline for maintenance
probably this isn't working either :)
 
chat is good (:
 
weird
@Andrew in fact some (many?) db servers will force you to deambiguate the query
 
Sad day... where's my precious stack exchange
 
SO lose everyone else's login session with the restart?
 
mm i'm still logged in
 
11:42 PM
yay global login kicked in
 
nope. login intact
 
i am so frustrated by the fact that i missed my fanatic badge for the second time with <10 days to go >.>
 
@Nathan: =(
 
Granted i was cheating by using a scheduled task to visit the site for me when i forget, but on day ~91 scheduled task kicked in and my login cookie was expired
 
@NathanTaylor - what did you get cut of by, the outage?
 
11:45 PM
hum, I'm still on my 127 days streak
 
nah this was a couple of weeks ago
 
visited 473 days, 355 consecutive woohoo!
 
god
animal
 
pfft, cheating = fail! (:
 
11:47 PM
i'm at 120 (:
 
they're getting the outage days fixed for people with a streak screwed because of that:
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Q: Proposal: Free day in the visit log to account for the Oct 9th downtime

Nick CraverGiven the downtime for today (Oct 9th, 2010) due to the UPS Failure, I propose giving every user that visited on Oct 8th, 2010 a free entry in the visit log (or whatever the name may be) for Oct 9th, 2010. It shouldn't matter to other users (at least not for reasons I can think of, correct me ...

much better idea to fix it than I proposed though, you'll see when it gets applied :)
 
it wasn't out that long was it?
 
4 hours was lost in a rollback, then another 4-8 getting the site up iirc
so yeah, a little bit, anyone who visited 12-4 EST between the last backup and the UPS fail did visit and got their day rolled back, ouch
 
134 for 134, and going strong, heh.
Hmm...what was I going to work on earlier...Oh right, the what was that a reply to thingadongdong.
 
that's why you always visit twice (:
/whatwasthatareplytothingadongdong might be a bit too long of a command name...
 
11:52 PM
/wwtarttadd then
 
@TimStone perfect!
 
But no, I have my own ideas on what could be done to improve that scenario, but before I delve into that, what kind of thing were you thinking? You'd like a command that automatically jumps to the message a particular reply was to, based on the ID?
Heheh :P
 
/origin 36416: var reply = $("#message-id .reply-info"); if (reply.length==1) reply.click(); else showNotification("This message is not an explicit reply");
 
Oh, you've already done that bit then? ;)
 
haha well i just looked to see what the click event did shrugs
happy to hear other ideas
 
11:58 PM
I don't have any problem with that, but I did want to try out a few other things too, so if any of those seem reasonable I'll throw them your way, heheh.
 
10-4 (:
 

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