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10:00 PM
this is the link of xsl result ..
 
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Q: Any soft release dates for Stack Overflow chat?

Mark RogersIn this answer a few months, there is talk of eventually rolling out a Stack Overflow chat. I'm curious, is there any kind of projected release date or anything on Stack Overflow chat?

Yay, you have a webpage that does what you asked. You emit XML and it shows as a webpage.
I'ld say you're done
Was there still some confusion or is it now a matter of building the page to do the right thing?
Also, @csharper2020 you should install FireBug
 
sorry @drachentern, i just wanted to show what is the look of xsl..
 
@csharper2020 do you mean you want to use another gist to post what you have?
 
No, I mean i should use that mentioned xsl for step 2 and get result
I show this xsl file because you asked me to show u a xsl code
So Now, I need to do what.?
Study Msdn link (routing?) ...
 
something like that, yes ... look, it's thursday here, friday there, spend the weekend messing with it, and try and build a small example. Ignore routing, we can do that later.
I understand that you want to run with this, but sometimes you have to walk
or crawl even
get a basic aspx page that takes a get parameter and that returns an XML
get a basic xsl that shows the XML values nicely formatted
you have demonstrated you have all the pieces
now make them work together
Also notice that you've done all the work, so be proud of that ;)
 
10:15 PM
yes. you are right.. I wanted to see a runner( !) to believe it is possible... :)
 
And you have it from all the pieces you showed me.
start from scratch and make it new for both pages
the HTML doesn't need to be fancy
 
About : get a basic xsl that shows the XML values nicely formatted
How can I get the xsl? like before use XslCompiledTransform xslTran = new XslCompiledTransform();
xslTran.Load(MapPath("TestTransform.xsl"));
I think this is main problem!
 
no no no
you're trying to hard
go back to our basic example
Response.Write( and load the XSL there
@csharper2020 I will now impart to you the single most important bit of information I have for being a good programmer:
> Be lazy. But don't be too lazy. Only work hard enough to get the result you need.
Don't use XslCompiledTransform because you don't know what all it does and it's MORE WORK THAN YOU NEED TO ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOAL
Response.Write is sufficient for what you need and does the thing you need
it's very simple and you can understand it right away.
 
you mean put xsl texts inside response.write(........)?
 
Look, I understand the appeal of using those things, but those are hard. Do the things that are easy until you fully understand what that hard thing does
@csharper2020 indeed.
I know it seems dumb what I'm telling you, and that there are a thousand programmers that will say to do what you're trying and that that's obviously the right way, but my way is from years of experience.
I have a reason
It just seems like a dumb reason. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say.
Let me ask you this @csharper2020
do you know calculus?
Or better, I should ask, have you taken Single Variable Calculus in school?
 
10:25 PM
I know 2+2 !!
 
lol, indeed ;)
SVCalculus seems hard at first, until you get through the whole semester, then it begins to make sense.
However, if we started people off with multi-variable integrals, without teaching them single variable calculus, they would run around screaming madness
I only ask you to learn the tools by doing the vary simple exercises first
as you come to understand the tools that .NET exposes, and as you come to understand how they fit into the problem you're trying to solve, you'll be able to use them
and you'll more likely than not use the simple tools anyways after that point ;)
This is experience talking, not wishful thinking ;)
 
yes , I agree with u
 
Ok. So go build a simple page ;)
You have the weekend ;)
 
Actually I Don't have the weekend!!!
But will work on that ..
Thanks a lot ...
What time Are you here , ...
 
lol, then you say "I bit off more than I could chew, but now I understand the problem, and now I know what it takes to make it work. I will have it in about another week. I'm sorry"
if you confess that you had to find a tutor and learn but that you know now, then you will usually get lenience
and that is a very good thing
hiding will only get you punishment ;)
that didn't work
 
10:30 PM
hi can anyone help me
hello?
 
@csharper2020 I'm normally here from about 10 CST to about 1800 CST most days
@Baccalad sadly my mind reading skills are rusty
 
I dont understand
 
If only we knew how we could help you, we most likely would!
 
Should I proceed?
 
@Baccalad quick, what number am I thinking of?
 
10:32 PM
72
 
@Baccalad only if you want help
 
I do honestly
 
@Baccalad close, I was thinking of -3
 
well thats reasonably close
 
@Baccalad and yet in 3 minutes you've not said why you need help
@Baccalad at least you can smile ;)
 
10:32 PM
Well, are you experienced in objective-c
:D
?*
 
@csharper2020 but honestly if you'll use @drachenstern in a message on here I'll see it when I am around and I'll answer it
@Baccalad no I'm not, but what does that have to do with anything? Is that your question? I doubt it. Let's try again: (I'll type slowly)
What do you need help with?
Try and be objective and declarative in your question
 
Well I am trying to program an iPhone app in objective-c. I am trying to implement network error alert codes that will pop up when there is no internet connection or when the app loses internet connection. It works but the error alert pops up 3 times in a row
I only want it to pop up once
 
Ah-ha. That sounds like a question that someone can help with.
So now the next three questions:
Have you asked in the apple iphone/objc programming room on this server? (it's probably dead)
 
What 3 questions?
 
Have you asked the question on SO as a proper question that has a link?
 
10:35 PM
yeah that place is always dead :/
 
#3 can you wait about 3 minutes while I wrangle up some assistants?
 
Yeah
 
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Q: Trying to get network error alert to show on iPhone app properly?

BaccaladOk so I am trying to get this app to show network error alert codes. I have added the SystemConfiguration.framework framework and Apple's "Reachability" sample code. Here is the viewcontroller.h file: #import <UIKit/UIKit.h> @class Reachability; @interface Test_Internet_ConnectionViewCo...

pasting the link to the question tends to work really well around here
 
no.3 sounds good because I have asked on the SO thing already
oh yeah you found it
 
Ah, but you'll get a LOT more eyes on SO than in here
@Baccalad ;) I've been doing this a bit
 
10:37 PM
It seems so
 
> I don't mean to be rude, but just like in all my other questions, it's been 25 minutes
 
Yeah
 
it takes time to get answers, not everyone is always an expert at the thing you're doing
 
no one ever replys to cmments :(
 
do you reply to them by using their name, like so: @Baccalad
it will cause their indicator on their page to light up, the same as when they answer you or comment to you
 
10:38 PM
No would that be advisable?
 
that would actually get you responses from the people asking you questions
 
Oh the red number thing in the top left of the page.
 
so if you wanted to get my attention you would use @drachenstern
and it would flash at me and I would know to come investigate
 
@drachenstren hia
 
indeed, like so
and if you did it to a question I had commented on, I would get notified on the site
someone must comment on the question for it to work (or answer)
 
10:40 PM
ok
 
you can't just spontaneously "pluck" someone from the internet
So, working on getting you some help
 
thanks
 
hmmm, my "secret weapon" left spontaneously.
 
Hey so what programming language are you experienced in? @drachenstern
(s)*
 
C#, asp.net(if you can call it a language), javascript, css, vb.net, vb, sql, dos batch, and a whole mess of other stuff like that
mostly scripting stuff, or interpreted, or JITed
 
10:42 PM
Quite a lot then
 
So what was wrong with the answer you got on that page?
declare a variable called "myrandomvariable" and if you've displayed before set that value, and if that value is set then you don't display again?
 
Yes, it sends notifications multiple times for some reason. To overcome this I maintained a network status variable in application delegate, which was an observer for kReachabilityChangedNotification. The view was an observer for a custom kViewReachabilityChangedNotification, which was sent by an application delegate when the value actually changed. More than that, after getting a notification from reachability I called a Reachability function on getting a current network status and changed my application delegate variable accordingly. Then I could send a notification to a view to update it
I dont really have a clue how to do this :/ but it seems like a good solution in theory.
I can try and have a go at that
 
waiting on my hero to slide over here, let's see if he does
 
What's up?
 
Can you read up just a bit? I'll link you a question too
 
10:46 PM
@drachenstern is here
k
 
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Q: Trying to get network error alert to show on iPhone app properly?

BaccaladOk so I am trying to get this app to show network error alert codes. I have added the SystemConfiguration.framework framework and Apple's "Reachability" sample code. Here is the viewcontroller.h file: #import <UIKit/UIKit.h> @class Reachability; @interface Test_Internet_ConnectionViewCo...

@Baccalad may I ask, are you a male or a female? I prefer to say he or she instead of quoting @Baccalad everytime
 
he
 
Okay...
 
thanks
 
First of all, the network here is working strangely, the question may or may not load.
 
10:47 PM
@Moshe he's trying to combat multiple network failure alerts being displayed to the user
 
That said, glad to help.
 
Yatta! ;)
 
I see...
 
And this being for iPhone and Obj-C and you knowing my level of Obj-C abilities ;)
I said "let me see if @Moshe is around to help"
 
@drachenstern Heh
 
10:48 PM
Also, freereps ;)
 
Okay @Baccalad - What are you using the network request for?
I want to possibly offer an alternative method.
And I may have some explanation for those alerts too...
Are downloading a resource for your app?
 
I have a UIWebView (well 4) and I want to display an network error alert when there is no internet conecction or when the app loses connection
 
Okay... Are all 4 being shown at once? (just checking)
 
2 are in a landscape view 1 in portraitupside down and 1 in portrait
 
okay.
 
10:50 PM
the view switches upon orientation change
 
So you are just downloading webpages?
 
Yeah
 
@Baccalad I understand that.
May I recommend a library that handles a lot of this stuff for you?
 
Apple say apps will be rejected without network error alerts
yeah ok
 
I know.
I've released some apps before.
It requires a little setting up, but it's a breeze to use once you're done. And it handles the alerts for you.
Well, at least it can do checking and you can handle connectivity changes, I think.
 
10:52 PM
ok
 
As far as the alerts, I suspect that you are showing two alerts, right?
And one appears and then disappears, when the second one pops up?
 
What do you mean by that?
yeah
 
You said a given alert appears thrice, yes?
 
then when I click dismiss a third one pops us
pops up*
 
That's an iOS behavior.
If you have multiple UIAlertViews in a row, the first alert will show, but the second one will take it's place almost right away.
The third one is really the first one coming back.
I just had this issue in a Game I'm writing. (Ask @drachenstern about the game, heh)
I actually did not work it out yet.
 
10:55 PM
Hey what is your Apple developer name on the app store
I can check your apps out
 
Moshe Berman
The game is not up there yet.
But I hope to be finishing it up soon.
 
ok
You have quite a few apps up
 
@Baccalad Yes, but if you look carefully, some of them are almost dupes.
 
@Baccalad you and @Moshe might review your questions and see if you can eliminate any that are dupes. I understand refining a concept, but sometimes the questions are just clutter :\
 
Two stream music and Two are "speed dial" apps.
@drachenstern What are you referring to specifically? @Baccalad's dupes?
 
10:57 PM
Yes
 
@Baccalad I do appreciate you looking at my apps,
@drachenstern Okay, I'm game.
 
@Moshe thanks ;)
Ya know you'll likely be at 10k before me at this rate ;)
 
@Baccalad - By the way, your alert problem should go away if you use that library I linked.
 
ok thanks
ill have to try it tomorrow though
but ive saved the link :)
 
@Baccalad Been there before.
 
10:59 PM
its getting late for me
 
@Baccalad great
 
11pm in england
 
@Baccalad Np, oh nice. I have a few more hours till it gets late in the US (EST). Feel free to find me in the Tavern on MSO.
Good luck!
 
Thanks
 
@drachenstern tips hat thanks
 
11:00 PM
lol
 
@Baccalad You're welcome.
 
@Moshe posh ;)
 
ok so im off now to bed i go
see ya
 
@Baccalad G'nite.
 
Best of luck
 
11:01 PM
stars "It's Waffles' fault" and leaves
 
11:13 PM
Hi! one question: I forgot the word used to name "non-standard" API functions, as in "hidden, unofficial" - could you please help me remember?
hm; or maybe that was it, "unofficial"? although I have a feeling like if there should be a better word...
 
unofficial usually will suffice
 
"undocumented"?
 
altho hidden or unsupported work as well
 
"unsupported" I think I'd rather expect to be present in docs, only marked as unsupported
 
Which stackexchange site is best suited for questions about Amazon EC2? (My question is about how to convert a small instance to a large instance while reusing the old hard drive from EBS.) Serverfault? Stackoverflow?
 
11:19 PM
My advice? Honestly?
Write the question on SO and at the bottom tag it "help, please migrate me, I don't know where this belongs"
The site will do so
We're good at that
But heed this advice please:
Write a good, well written, complete question, so we can determine where it belongs
don't half-ass it with "uh, EC2, amazon buzzword help me"
 
thanks!
 
@Akavel - you talking about iPhone? The word is Private API.
 
@Moshe: WinAPI is what's of interest to me
but tx :)
 
No clue then, sorry.
 
just call it undocumented
 
11:27 PM
@drach lightning only strikes once...
Heh.
 
yep, think I'll stick with 'undocumented'. k, cheers to all.
 
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