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4:00 AM
@EthanSteinberg it depends on whether you mean natural-language "exit" or a call of the exit function
 
user406009
exit() function.
 
Is it possible to see a list of people who have @ ed you
 
Try searching for @SethCarnegie? And hit "recent". :)
 
Do c++ compilers first compile down to C, or do they go straight to assembly? Or a mix? Where can I read about this?
 
user406009
Which compiler are you interested about?
 
4:08 AM
Any, or just gnu
Just looking for ideas
 
It's complicated. But they all go through some sort of intermediate representation for optimizations.
 
@Mysticial, where would I read about it?
 
user406009
If you are trying to create your own compiler you could compile down to llvm's thing.
 
@EthanSteinberg, nope, just looking for roughly how it works
i.e. does it go .cpp -> .c ->.o
or does it skip the .c
(or do it internally, where it does not get seen as a .c per se)
 
@soandos That topic is soooooo big, that I don't even know where to start you off. I've taken (and am taking) several graduate classes on compilers.
 
4:11 AM
@Mysticial, so its both, it sometimes compiles to c and other times not?
 
First, it needs to be parsed into an Abstract Syntax Tree.
 
user406009
I don't think any modern C++ compilers compile down to C anymore.
 
That is all compilers (as I understand it)
@EthanSteinberg, link for that?
 
Then it gets transformed into multiple intermediate representations. Some terms to search for are:

1. Control Flow Graph
2. Single Static Assignment

and there are more...
 
user406009
No link, just random guessing on my part.
 
4:13 AM
Then optimizations are performed in the intermediate representations.
Then you have a messy process of register allocation and instruction selection, which finally outputs assembly.
 
@Mysticial, at this point are these optimizations language agnostic (in terms of what the data looks like)?
 
@soandos They usually are language agnostic. Take a look at LLVM - actually, don't. You'll lose your head over if you don't have a strong background in compilers.
 
@Mysticial, so If I am understanding correctly, once the code gets turned into these abstract forms, the same optimization that are used for C can be used for anythings?
And the compiler just takes the code, turns it into these abstract forms, and then applies the optimizations (then makes the assembly)?
Apologies for the gross oversimplification
 
There are generally 3 categories of optimizations:

1. Language Level (such as return value optimization)
2. Generic optimizations (such as eliminating of unused code)
3. Instruction optimizations (such as vectorization and tricky use of specialized instructions)
 
so 1) would have to be different for C and C++
2) Would be the same
3) would be the same?
 
4:18 AM
So not all of them are language agnostic.
2 would be the same on pretty much everything. 3 would be dependent on the hardware (such as x86 vs. ARM)
 
Got it
 
The vast majority of the interesting optimizations are in 2.
 
So it would make no sense to turn C++ into C code, as you would not gain anything in terms of optimizations in C that cannot be done in C++
 
@soandos Typically it goes directly from the language to the internal representation. I'm not aware of any compilers that compile to C first.
 
Got it
 
4:21 AM
(though it's certainly possible)
 
Any chance there is some "light" reading that I can do on the subject?
 
You can check out the tag wiki: stackoverflow.com/tags/compiler/info
 
Thanks, will do
 
I learned most of my compiler stuff from classes, random wikipedia reading, and my own experience with messing with them.
 
There are too many pinned messages.
Good Morning!
 
4:24 AM
evening :)
 
ah... the time difference renders all greetings useless. I should think up a generic greeting that covers every part of the day.
Good Day!
 
Good night!
:P
evening... whatever...
we should have a poll to see how many of us are from which area
most are from Europe I assume
fail
double fail
 
@Mysticial actually that's the best way to poll. since you can only star a message once.
 
lol
 
user406009
But most people here won't star junk.
 
4:28 AM
okay. I'll see if I can somehow embed a polldaddy poll here or something.
 
and add it to the list of pins :-P
Geez... if only getting starred was as easy as getting upvotes...
 
@Xeo here's the guide pastebin.com/txtRAL8m
@rubenvb here's the guide pastebin.com/txtRAL8m
@Mysticial getting starred is pointless after you get the outspoken badge, no?
 
@SethCarnegie Yeah I guess...
 
user406009
Are the Europe people all sleeping?
 
4:35 AM
Seriously? There's no one from Europe? I thought everyone here was from Europe?
 
What time is it in Europe right now? hmmm...
Middle of the night perhaps...
 
5:36 CET.
 
lol, so they are literally sleeping.
 
I can also see it when I plot out voting statistics. 3 - 8am UTC is always a dead period. I rarely ever get upvotes during that time.
 
damn, am I the only one here from the Middle East? :(
Guess everyone else is too busy overthrowing monarch regimes.
 
4:40 AM
Only 3 people have voted so far.
 
@Pubby I surrender, I only had today and tomorrow to play, and I only got to summer, and then the game crashed and I lost everything. So I've lost my initiative to play the game for a while, someone else can have year three.
 
5:56 AM
hey, someone's here from Central Asia! awesome.
 
@IntermediateHacker You mean, besides you?
 
@Potatoswatter I'm from the Middle East.
 
Anyway, I just wanted to stop by to let y'all know that Java really sucks for numerics.
 
@Potatoswatter I'm in Oman near the UAE . lol.
 
There's the ArrayList class which is like std::vector, but you need to code your own loop to make it into a double[] which is what anyone else wants… the horror!!!
 
5:59 AM
@Potatoswatter noooooo
 
@IntermediateHacker Hah! My mind is in a million places, shouldn't overexert myself :P
 
Okay, so we have one guy from central asia, one from south east asia, 3 from north america and one from the middle east (me). Where are the europians???
 
3 from north america? Americans just like voting :vP somehow they wandered in.
 
lol. they vote for change!
 
They hope for change. They vote for spite.
 
6:09 AM
lol.
 
In 2008 they voted to hope for change, but that's gone out of fashion.
 
user406009
Isn't there a to array function of sorts for arrayList?
 
@EthanSteinberg Yes, but ArrayList< double > is illegal because double isn't an "object" (I'm new to Java, but this seems an egregious violation of OO). So instead i have an ArrayList< Double > which converts to a Double[], but nobody accepts that as an argument.
 
user406009
Oh yeah the whole generics BS.
 
user406009
Where you get a Double[] from toArray when what you really want is a double[].
 
6:11 AM
On the flip side, the Apache Commons library is giving me Fourier analysis, interpolation, and integration so the library atop the language seems very nice.
At least I have something worthwhile to be converting these arguments for :)
 
user406009
Yeah.
 
user406009
Wow, never saw that part of the apache commons library, and looking through it looks pretty nice.
 
Well, haven't actually tried to run any code yet… we'll see…
 
sbi
Something to sooth your arachnophobia:
 
LOL. I actually like spiders a little, but squirrels are vermin…
A spider will give you a bump or a rash… a squirrel will give you rabies.
 
user406009
6:26 AM
Spiders also kill all sorts of other annoying insects.
 
user406009
Squirrels just eat my apricots.
 
sbi
@Potatoswatter That also depends on where you live. Here, squirrels (a different kind, though) are considered cute and are welcome guests in parks in the city. In Australia, a spider might kill you.
 
hey guys
 
sbi
everybody is fleeing from the room
 
I haven't eaten anything for 24 hours and I ate little in the previous 48 and I'm still sick as a dog :(
 
6:37 AM
It might help to eat something... ;)
 
not with what I've got
 
sbi
@DeadMG I am sorry to hear that. I thought you had overcome that. I hadn't heard anything about your stomach problems lately.
 
@sbi Mostly, I just know what to avoid eating, and how often
but sometimes, you get a nasty surprise
the irritating thing is that it really should be gone by now, I haven't eaten anything funky in a relatively significant period of time
 
6:55 AM
@DeadMG hopefully you're drinking nutritious beverages…
 
nothing
 
@DeadMG no matter what you have, not eating won't help. You need to put food in even if it comes back out.
 
I don't think he's dying of starvation yet.
 
I possess more than enough fat reserves to get by for a few days
 
Fair nuff. I don't. When my liver runs out of its sugar stores, it's dazed sleepy blackout time.
 
6:57 AM
I think normally we can live around 30 days on water.
 
I've had food poisoning a few times. There were times when it was a bad idea to eat or drink anything, including water. My stomach would just wring itself out.
 
@doobie Yes, but if you're expelling water, that's all the more reason to put even more water in. Dehydration is a greater risk than starvation.
Chronic diarrhea (e.g. cholera) kills by dehydration.
 
Sure, but I had to let my stomach settle enough first. It took over 24 hours. Another time a Chinese dude gave me some herbal meds that did the trick.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Except for that Swedish guy who survived something like two months in his car in the snow, eating nothing but some snow off the roof. Shudder.
 
he was obviously fit and well-insulated
 
sbi
7:04 AM
@DeadMG He had a sleeping bag. When they found him, he was as thin as a skeleton and basically unable to even speak.
Well, I'm outta here. See you later.
 
@sbi I know. Suffering both from hunger and cold. That's pretty extreme. (Ever went camping and brought too few blankets. It's quite harsh..)
 
I dunno about that story. The only corroborating sources so far are the local police, right? The guy hasn't really had a chance to explain everything and apparently no doctor was consulted before it went to press.
 
I read that his body temperature lowered to 30 °C which reduced his energy consumption.
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, he was warmed by the release of the latent heat of water :v) — oh, you probably mean Celsius ;vP
 
Yep, celsius :D
I don't have the ° sign on my US keyboard.
So I have to copy/paste.
 
7:07 AM
option-K on mac: ˚
 
Well, thanks!
˚˚˚˚
 
˚^˚
\_/
 
å∫ç∂´ƒ©˙ˆ∆˚¬µ˜øπœ®ß†¨√∑≈¥z The alt-alphabet:D
 
Remember: ß is eszet not beta, ∫ is integration not S, and ƒ is the faroese currency sign, not useful and any use you find is improper.
 
ˆ∆˚ is like a wink
Emotionless wink.
 
7:11 AM
It's a mischievous child peering over the tabletop.
 
7:26 AM
Man, it's snowing outside. 5 cm in six hours. Stop the presses!
 
lol
 
I'm still walking around in shoes. Boots are for sissies.
 
lol
 
Sneakers inside snowshoes FTW
 
7:39 AM
Hey does anyone know the third type of data in programming? Stack, dynamic, and...?
I'm drawing a blank and i can't find it
 
@oorosco In programming what?
 
c++
 
I'd say local, freestore, and static.
But those are "storage durations".
 
So local = stack, freestore = dynamic?
 
Depends on the implementation, but generally, yes.
 
7:42 AM
What is the static memory? @EtiennedeMartel
 
@oorosco Globals, string literals, static variables declared in a function.
More or less.
Essentially, anything that lives as long as the process.
 
Okay
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel "automatic", "dynamic", "static", and (with C++11) "thread-local" storage duration
 
@Xeo Yeah, I knew I would mess those terms.
Should have looked on Cppreference first.
 
omg! I just 500 on that floating-point question from last week. Screenshot time!
and then time for bed... cya
 
7:44 AM
hello can i ask somethin OT (out of topic)?
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Sometimes... I just want to slap you. :P
2
 
@rjtubera There isn't anything like "on topic" here.
@rjtubera But if it's your first time here, may I suggest you read the newbie hints? They're linked in the sidebar
Anyway, with that said, I'm going to get some shuteye, it's almost 3:00 in the morning here.
Good night everybody!
 
8:30 AM
> Argh, if you #define rawch, at least undef it afterwards. – Konrad Rudolph 34 mins ago (here)
^ It took me a few breaths not to follow my first thought (wtf, it is a demo, a single TU, not in a header, not a commonly used identifier, unambiguous expansion...) but I thought better of it. The guy did read my answer well enough to care about the #define. :)
@Mysticial 501 - the seven darter. Still no +1 from me, I guess :)
And grats!
 
8:47 AM
Just got out of the shower. Thanks! I think it stands as the #2 highest non-wiki C++ answer behind only Eric Lippert's 2000-point Hotel answer.
Compared to the loop question back in December, this one has gotten a lot more residuals than I'd expected - I've been repcapped for a whole week...
 
@Xeo with a glove
 
@SethCarnegie Seeing as we're in a different time zone, let's just talk with delay: I provide builds of Clang for Windows, integrated with a MinGW-w64 toolchain build here: 64-bit and 32-bit I suggest using the 4.6.3-1 package, because Clang has trouble with GCC 4.7 libstdc++.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's not bad analogy. You are "concentrating" cpu cycles on a certain task.
 
@SethCarnegie Just unzip both to the same directory. Clang has builtin search path (I added them) to find the relevant C, C++ and Win32 headers. You still need gcc/g++ to link. You can use the "clang" package from a 4.7 build, which should work, and has an updated (built from svn) Clang. The lamba crash has been fixed in one of the latest builds, it is now a "lambda's unsupported" error.
 
The subversion repository is very active. Numerous commits daily.
 
Xeo
9:17 AM
@rubenvb Lambdas have been functional for a while now in Trunk, aswell as initializer lists (very recently)
 
Turns out there are more North Americans here than Europians.
or maybe i should wait a bit before passing a final verdict. Maybe the europians didn't vote yet.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Yeah, and I'm sinply compiling Clang daily now, makes the builds happen in under 20 minutes, as opposed to every few weeks which makes the build take over an hour...
 
Current Poll Result: Europe 27% , North America 45%
 
Xeo
r151239 | dgregor | 2012-02-23 06:44:09 +0100 (Thu, 23 Feb 2012) | 1 line

Clang supports lambdas.
Hah, svn log :D
 
@Xeo oh my. Cool. "a while"... sheesh. SVN log whore. That's today.
@IntermediateHacker what poll? People are just starting work here.
 
Xeo
9:23 AM
@rubenvb No, that's the official "no more features needed, only bugs from now on" statement, aka the c++ status table of clang now shows "SVN"
I specifically said "lambdas have been functional" :)
 
@rubenvb this poll. It's starred too.
 
@IntermediateHacker my screen only has room for 3-4 starred messages.
there now Europe ties
 
Now Europe and N.America are head to head.
Ironically there's no one from the most densely populated area in the world, South Asia.
No people living in India , Pakistan, Bengladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives etc.?
 
@IntermediateHacker The Indian SO C++ lounge probably has a member names tyPleaseComeAgainAlf
 
sbi
9:40 AM
@StackedCrooked I was once snowed in with my girlfriend while camping in the Yellowstone NP in the end of September. It rained a bit while we hiked all day, which turned into sleet in the late afternoon, when we had already pitched our tent. That turned into snow in the evening, while we cuddled in the tent. The next morning, we had 25cm of snow.
@rubenvb Too low a resolution. Too big a font. Too clumsy a user to click on show all 7120.
 
sbi
OPERA experiment gives update on neutrino time of flight measurement: http://ow.ly/9eMmX
@KonradRudolph Tach! Long time no see.
@MooingDuck According to the article from CERN (see above), it's not yet decided whether it's true or false.
 
@sbi So extremely busy :(
having a hard time to get a proper footing, to be honest
 
@KonradRudolph hi :)
 
@sehe Hi :)
thanks for fixing the post ;)
 
9:52 AM
@KonradRudolph Anytime. <grin/> It was one of those "shall I argue it" points. I keep learning to sidestep those. I guess undeffing doesn't hurt :)
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Your log reveals that statement to be a shameless lie.
:)
Wow. You have 40 Guru badges. I have 3 of those. Meek.
 
@sbi My log is a traitorous bastard and will be presently executed
Seriously though, I can’t really concentrate and my default distraction has become SO, sad though this may seem
 
@sbi Well, why would I do that. I can't even star those once I've read the context. Or unstar my old ones once I realise that sober, it wasn't funny at all...
 
@KonradRudolph Just noticed your second comment, which is a good point (I considered removing the define for exactly that reason.) I still left it in as a define in the end.
 
sbi
@rubenvb Uh? Does it really take room owner powers to star in the transcript? I hadn't thought so. Lemme check...
Well, for me there's a "star as interesting" link for messages in the transcript of a room I'm not an owner of.
 
10:00 AM
@sbi Well, I can sure as hell not star them (not that hell is "sure" at all: democraticunderground.com/discuss/… )
You must have super cow powers
 
Xeo
@sbi According to the Badges tab, he only got 19 :P
 
sbi
@rubenvb Please follow this link. Open the menu that appears when clicking the V link left of that message. Do you, or don't you have a "star as interesting" link?
@Xeo Yeah, of course I saw that the moment my editing period had expired. I messed the 40 rep it designates with the 19 times he got it. :(
@Xeo Damn!
 
Xeo
Well, "only" ... I got one. :/
@sbi That was me.
 
@sbi yes, I thought we were talking about the starred message log (not the transcript). Confuzzlement!
 
sbi
@rubenvb If you click on individual messages in the starred message log, you will get to that message in the transcript.
 
10:15 AM
@sbi Thanks , didn't think of this :|
 
sbi
@MrAnubis See, I even removed the hint as to how to find out, and you post the answer!
 
@sbi :)
 
sbi
@MrAnubis Sorry, but posting a smiley was a quite dumb reaction. You could have deleted your message, too, instead.
@MrAnubis I have flagged for a mod now to do that.
 
@sbi I had tried but it was late
@sbi couldn't interpret the sentence properly so thought to post smiley instead to get away honorly :D
 
Xeo
@sbi FWIW, @StackedCrooked's profile links to nl.netlog.com/StackedCrooked where he's listed with his real name.
 
10:23 AM
@sbi I just read in Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet that all the fuzz was probably caused by a loose cable.
 
A quick google search also reveals my name. It would be pointless to try to hide my real name here.
 
sbi
@Xeo I know that. (I pointed it out.) But it is one thing to be able to find this out, and it's another thing to use a trumpet to blast it into the world.
 
Xeo
@sbi Ah, okay.
 
@sbi I think he's stated it here in the Lounge at least once earlier. Anyway I remember that it became known to me. Oh yes, he's posted in clc++m.
I think, yes @StackedCrooked?
 
Yep.
Don't start stalking me now :D
 
10:25 AM
well everybody saw yesterday or whenever that i suck at stalking
 
@Xeo Used to work for that company :D
 
trying to get info on the "Jensen" in Jensen & Wirth
 
@MrAnubis Why do you need to know?
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Yeah, that's what everybody is talking about. (I already posted a link yesterday.) The CERN, however, says that there were two errors. One would increase the speed of those neutrinos, one would decrease it. Of course, it's unlikely that something is faster than light, and it's always been unlikely, and everybody assumed that it's probably an error in the measurements. But it is not yet fully decided.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked The projects on the wiki I'd guess
 
10:26 AM
Ah.
 
@StackedCrooked I was very impressed , so decided to stalk you :)
 
sbi
There's a reason I hadn't posted any projects of mine on the wiki. :)
 
@MrAnubis You're welcome to send me money ;)
 
@StackedCrooked I'm jobless , control yourself :D
@sbi What reason ?
 
sbi
@MrAnubis After many years of posting under my real name all over Usenet, I have learned to value online privacy.
 
10:28 AM
@sbi I posted code there that is a mixture of half-baked and half-cocked. Not sure. :-) Anyway, the Mercurial GUI I used for placing the code at Bitbucket sucked (not even handling Unicode), and the @CatPlusPlus looks like he's really the one from Dilbert series, judging by the password requiring the user to praise his abilities
 
@sbi That is very understandable , I neither want to reveal my indentity ( nor Whole SO'll feel overwhelmed after finding out who am I xD)
 
I'm just happy that nobody here, except possibly @sbi, know who I am. ;-)
 
sbi
@CheersandhthAlf Huh?
 
Everyone knows you're Alf.
 
We all know you. You are Alf, the furry alien midget.
 
10:33 AM
As it is, folks here on SO feel free to contradict me any time. I think that's nice.
 
@CheersandhthAlf personally or by identity ?
 
sbi
@MrAnubis I certainly don't know him personally, so that can't be it. (The closest I have come to Alf before he appeared here was a few emails in the 90s.) I think he's just trying to be obscure.
 
@CheersandhthAlf You are the former dictator of some country and have gone into hiding after the revolution?
 
@wilx That's bad to say!!!
I'll come for your soul personally now !!
 
@sbi What privacy problem did you run into (I don't care who you are ;), just curious)?
 
10:35 AM
@sbi Yeah, I do the same. It's fairly easy to find my name if you want it, but I intentionally don't use it as my handle online
 
sbi
@KillianDS If you know my real name, you are able to find out a lot of stuff about me. Which companies I work(ed) for, where I studied, how many kids I have, who was my wife(s), what books I like to read, which hobbies I have, how I raise my kids, what I think about employers... I am not comfortable with that anymore.
As "sbi", the most you can find out about me is that I am probably not the State Bank of India. I'd like to keep it that way. I can be much more relaxed if no future employer reading my application will find what I say here. (Although, at least @RMartinho claims to have found out about my real name, and I believe he's right.)
 
The Robot knows all.
 
sbi
The robot is an annoying Know-It-All.
I didn't do it!
 
@sbi I liked your version better ;)
 
sbi
@rubenvb Yeah, but it wasn't as mysterious. And on the tagline, that values higher. IMO, anyway.
 
10:48 AM
@MrAnubis: I am referring to the synonymous TV series character.
Likely.
 
and there was 3D version too :D
@sbi He know about @TonyTheLion too he once spilled :)
 
11:07 AM
spilled all over his keyboard?
 
11:29 AM
@sbi Hm, yeah, employers are annoying on that part.
 
sbi
@KillianDS They are curious about people who want to work for them. Who could blame them? You do google a new employer before you write a job application, don't you?
 
I tend to use my real name on forums where I don't think it matters (like SO) but try to shield off everything else (not that I always succeed int hat)
@sbi I understand it perfectly, I do it myself also :)
 
text mining = n. dealing with the fact that biologists are idiots who don’t understand the importance of storing data for 100s or 1000s of items in machine readable format
and instead using prose to describe them
GAAAA!
 
@sbi the robot probably does not like to be insulted :p
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion How can you insult a robot?
 
11:34 AM
I don't know, but this robot seems sensitive to insults, I've found in the past
it has learned
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Isn't producing mineable databases where you come in?
According to SO, 59,797 + 30 = 59,826 before a rep recalc, and 59,830 afterwards. On the bright side, this is the first time ever that a recalc resulted in my rep going up. Also, if I happen to come upon one good question today, I'll have 60k rep tonight.
 
@sbi Why does the prose description exist in the first place? NOBODY is going to read it, ever!
Using prose here serves no purpose whatsoever
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph That's what we programmers tend to think. It's wrong, though.
 
@sbi Of course, I’m aware of that. But it’s still frustrating because it’s such a conceptually useless job
it shouldn’t have to be done
a proper format should have been defined first, data collected after
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Maybe you should have studied something else?
 
11:38 AM
In particular since this project was actually pretty well specified from the beginning, done by a consortium. But while a lot of things were specified in great detail, apparently nobody (!) took care to actually think about data formats
@sbi I studied number crunching ;)
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph ...for biologists, AFAIK.
 
@sbi Details
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Weren't you the one who just insisted that details (like data formats) mattered? :)
 
Good afternoon!
 
@sbi Yes, and I insisted that they should be specified beforehand, especially if every other aspect has been specified :p
 
sbi
11:43 AM
@KonradRudolph Well, wasn't what you studied specified beforehand?
 
@sbi just to give you an example, I’m dealing with data from transcription factors (TFs). Each TF has a few relevant attributes, such as its name, and whether it serves as an activator or repressor or a few other things
… but this data isn’t provided. Instead, each TF comes with a small blurb of text that some poor grad student had to write, and which, amongst others, may contain information such as “this TF acts as a repressing element”
now, that’s stil fine although it would have made a lot of sense just to add a column to the table (yes, it’s a table) containing this precise information
but sometimes the blurb instead reads “this TF blocks a repressing element”
 
sbi
When I studied CS, a professor once told a story about the time he was an assistant managing databases and doing some AI stuff for the medicine gods at the Berlin Virchow clinic. So this one god comes down into the computer guys' hole in the basement and says that he needs for his research all available files of former patients who had disease A and disease B and disease C.
So the programmers cook up a query, and 20mins later hand the professor a page with three or four cases. The professor looks totally bewildered at them, and finally bursts out "but there must be thousands!" As it turned out, he wanted all patients who had disease A OR disease B OR disease C. And as daily language goes, that's what he did ask for...
 
which means that if you want to filter these TFs by function (which is a common operation) you essentially have to do it either manually, or implement an AI smart enough to understand basic English grammar
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph ...or employ NI (i.e., more poor grad students) to do the translation. :)
 
@sbi Well, of course, that’s also possible. But for this you don’t need a ~5 year CS education
… and even with my meagre stipend I’m certainly overpaid to do that
hm, I should create an Amazon Mechanical Turk for that ;)
 
11:49 AM
Once I had some chemists at my workplace, and I asked whether a database would help organize their results. They said no, because the experiments weren't reproducible, they were just getting a feel for the domain.
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Nor would you need it to dig through a DB, had those poor grad students typed their results into such a beast in the first place. So what are you complaining about? :)
 
@sbi I’m complaining about the fact that I’ve got a job which is essentially unsolvable by automation, but would be trivially solvable with just a little foresight
… a common task, mind you …
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph ...which you wouldn't be needed for.
 
The world would be a much better place if grad students were better managed.
 
@sbi What am I needed for in this task, precisely?
I can’t do anything here that any preschool kid couldn’t also do
 
sbi
11:51 AM
@KonradRudolph I thought you are supposed to dig out the data from the prose? Using AI?
 
@sbi Actually, no. I just need the data incidentally, my actual task is quite unrelated.
But if that were my primary task I would hand it back as unsolvable with my resources
of course you could write an appropriate AI for that. But this would probably earn its own PhD, or at least a couple papers
@ScottW Yes but it’s a spoof
The Flat Earth Society is a club of physicists poking fun at doofuses
as far as I know, it used to be real until the half of the previous century though
damn, gotta go, lunch
@sbi Thanks for letting me vent my frustration and just throwing it back at me ;p
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Anytime! :)
 

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