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12:16 AM
anyone buy a roosr for their laptops? i'm looking for a stand for my surface pro
roost
maybe i should belooking at ipad holders
or just ordinary book holders
 
1:02 AM
@GrahamChiu I have a Crane stand that I like quite a bit.
 
1:34 AM
That Crane stand price is close to what I paid for the Surface Pro!
Maybe I can go to local craft shop and buy some balsa wood and carve out what I need ...
something like this alibaba.com/product-detail/… but made of acrylic would do the job. The support part would need to be a bit wider.
 
 
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4:10 AM
@GrahamChiu It's the same price: google.com/shopping/product/5206087361426979191
(as the other stand you were looking at)
 
 
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5:18 AM
I looked at the Crane pro which was $199
but your other link is considerably cheaper :)
 
5:56 AM
this is pretty cute dekke.net/slope.html but doesn't really give much height off the table for me
 
 
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6:58 AM
@rebolek are you sure tab box works in r3-gui?
it's commented out in Cyphre's demos
 
The Crane Pro is a different product yeah, they're pushing it via marketing, you know how it goes.
 
that link of yours is pretty cheap but out of stock, and the normal retail on Amazon is twice that.
 
@GrahamChiu I'll check it.
I have the simple chat window demo for you almost ready, I'll be leaving soon and post it in the evening, when I come back.
 
@rebolek great! :)
 
Also, I've fixed the scroller in text-area bug.
 
7:12 AM
@rebolek which bug is that?
 
When you insert long text into area, scroller is not updated.
 
when using arrow keys after scrolling, cursor jumps to bottom?
oh .. different bug!
 
That one not yet :)
Yes...the text handling needs some rewrite.
 
interestingly it's some type of regression because it's not present in Carl's original code
Other bug .. you can't highlight using cursor and up arrow, only with down arrow
 
Well, it needs total rewrite to handle rich-text editing, but that should probably wait...
 
7:14 AM
@rebolek we going to get color text???
that will make shadwolf happy!
 
@GrahamChiu Someday, yes. I'm not promising anything.
 
@rebolek I can imagine it will be difficult
 
Right now I was talking just about fixing current text editing.
@GrahamChiu I think so. Currently I don't even know where to start with that.
 
@rebolek that would be good .. my editor is pretty broken with all these area bugs
 
Text handling needs simplification. There are too many functions to handle it. Too many sources of bugs.
 
7:31 AM
It's basic example that shows how to add and remove faces to/from pane to have limited number of messages in the chat window.
 
Ok, but ST has no value
 
@GrahamChiu Updated. ST is just mold system to have some text.
 
so what I need to do is area with wrapping text, but will the area auto size to hold the text?
ie. how to determine the size of the area or text box before you add it
 
You can get size with size-text. I'm adding TEXT faces to the scroll panel and they are autosized.
You can see that some boxes have two, some three lines.
 
7:40 AM
This is really simple example, but If you predefine width of text face with word-wrap, It will automatically create taller text face.
I will do word-wrapping example in the evening.
 
ok, looks straight forwards
 
@GrahamChiu Yeah, the companies on Amazon are resellers with big markups, don't buy through there.
 
 
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9:06 AM
>> import %editor.reb
** Script error: datatype assertion failed for: spec/name
** Where: assert -apply- make catch case -apply- apply import
** Near: assert/type [
    spec object!
    body block!
    mixins [o...
Anyone know what causes this error ?
Ok, figured it out .. module name has to be a word!, and version has to be a tuple!
 
 
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10:49 AM
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11:16 AM
posted on May 08, 2014 by qtxie

FEAT: move url! rule to word! rule (as a branch of word! rule)

 
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hello, xavier
 
hi @Henrik
 
are you new? :-)
 
11:27 AM
yes
I did heard about rebol before but never about red
 
ok... community is growing, so I don't know all names. I guess that's a good sign. :-)
 
I come from a python background
 
ok... I've been using REBOL since 2001, and otherwise PHP and javascript.
and actually not that much into Red yet. I'm waiting for it to become more complete, but conceptually, it's more exciting than REBOL to me.
 
12:14 PM
rebol is quite closed source
 
posted on May 08, 2014 by XieQ

Hi, all I find this online book looks beautiful and it also support multi-languages. Since it can be hosted on github, it is possible to write it in collaboration. http://www.gitbook.io/ Some example: http://samypesse.github.io/How-to-Make-a-Computer-Operating-System http://rustbyexample.com/example

 
12:44 PM
@XavierCombelle Rebol 3 is opened source and on github. it already has a few forks of various magnitudes.
 
12:57 PM
@moliad sadly rebol3 doesn't run with my version of libc (2.13) under debian wheezy
and it needs rebol3 to build rebol 3
 
@XavierCombelle I'm not here
But what do you mean?
What's your install ISO?
64/32-bit?
Rebol is not required to build on the platform it targets. You can build makefiles on any platform that Rebol supports for your target platform
Then you FTP or put the generated stuff on the target platform with carrier pigeon or whatnot
If I can run Rebol on Haiku, you can run it on Wheezy, which I have
 
@XavierCombelle unfortunate. I'll let other more experienced R3 builders and linux users guide you through... cause you should definitely get it to compile on just about any linux out there.
we've compiled it on stranger things than linux ;-)
 
@XavierCombelle The only dependency Rebol has is pure, boring ANSI C. To what I consider to be a fault. The "bootstrap" is actually rather simple. Just automation of header file generation and makefiles. If you were bored you could do it by hand, the idea was that you don't have to. But Rebol/Core is easy as Raspberry Pi to build.
 
@HostileFork when I try to do make it answers *** ERROR: Missing r3-make to build various tmp files.
 
@XavierCombelle Watch this Haiku video it will give you the idea, I don't think anyone's done anything like it, but same idea:
Your r3-make is just a rebol executable you name that and put in the make directory
If you have a working Rebol3 that you can get to give you a command prompt from rebolsource.net
You should put that in the make directory and rename it "r3-make" as the "rebol you use to make"
Now, if you cannot (on your platform) find a rebol that fires up and runs normally, then you are going to need to do your build to make all the prep files on another machine
So like, prep for haiku on Linux, or prep for Windows on OS/X. Transfer the .h files and makefiles over. Then run make and the only dependency is ansi c after that
 
1:14 PM
thanks a lot @HostileFork with the binary in rebolsource I successbul build r3
 
@XavierCombelle I have resigned from chat and am trying to get other people to take over :-)
But glad I could help.
Even if it breaks my resignation rule.
(I'm trying to devote more time to finishing my programming problems, less to being taken for granted in my political and logo attempts.)
Marketing is important but I'm not doing any more!
 
posted on May 08, 2014 by CarlRead

On 6-May-2014 Matt Gushee wrote, >Hello, list-- > >On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Carl Read wrote: >> The reason I think an alternative for the Web would be a good thing is >because it's now such a mess from the developers' point of view. > >I'm not entirely clear what you

 
 
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2:26 PM
posted on May 08, 2014 by Brian Dickens

For several months I had been contemplating and outlining a Red book, possibly using http://softcover.io The block for me is that I do not have support in shaping the language to make sense for beginners (or any skeptical/educated expert with a sense of discernment).  There is not (in my opinion) sc

 
3:07 PM
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3:52 PM
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4:55 PM
I've built Rebol on Haiku, and if you for some reason don't have a Haiku build (from the build site) then you can generate the helpers on another OS and just copy the result over.
 
5:40 PM
posted on May 08, 2014 by Jacob

Remember, I will buy that sucker if you ever put it out there =).  Would there be any chance that parse could fix these things?  For example, what if you told the nub to download your spiffy nub file which makes these corrections automagically to the code.  I know that this could be done in the land

 
 
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6:48 PM
posted on May 08, 2014 by maxim

[Comment] I just saw this ticket... there are MANY good ideas here. I also really like the name. you might want to build a prototype of this function for people to try out... I definitely will give it a trial if you build it. We all have a few custom functions which look like this, but this proposal would probably be used very often by me, instead of the current REJOIN. ignoring none with

posted on May 08, 2014 by Jacob

It makes sense.  I assume there is little cost in abstraction when it comes to Red(meaning that the abstraction still results in good control and performance) so why not have a RedFX that covers every conceivable application.  Especially now that the browser can use our graphics cards, all of os tar

 
Just had my first proper play with r3GUI (using Atronix 32bit build running on Ubuntu Linux) by doing this codegolf - codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/26818/11021
Anyone got any improvements to the code then let me know.
 
7:50 PM
@draegtun You could save 4 chars by creating a helper function for the /state/value lookup:
v: func[v][v/state/value] v a v b v c
    ;; instead of
a/state/value b/state/value c/state/value
 
        v/state/value: false
        update-face v

        change to

        set-face v false
 
8:21 PM
x: func [v] [
	r: all collect [
		foreach e reduce [a b c][
			keep e/state/value
		]
	]
	if r [ set-face v false ]
]

view [
	title "SELECT ANY TWO"
	a: check "FAST" on-action [x a]
	b: check "CHEAP" on-action [x b]
	c: check "GOOD" on-action [x c]
]
Haven't counted characters ...
x: func [v] [
	if all collect [
		foreach e reduce [a b c][
			keep e/state/value
		]
	][
		set-face v false
	]
]
@Respectech have a go at the latest chat client?
 
8:49 PM
x: func [v] [
	if all collect [
		foreach e reduce [a b c][
			keep get-face e
		]
	][
		set-face v false
	]
]

view [
	title "SELECT ANY TWO"
	a: check "FAST" on-action [x a]
	b: check "CHEAP" on-action [x b]
	c: check "GOOD" on-action [x c]
]
 
@GrahamChiu Haven't had a chance yet. Crazy couple of days at work yesterday and today. And it doesn't look like it is letting up yet. I hope to have a chance later today or tomorrow. Looking forward to it, actually.
 
9:13 PM
looks like the latest r3-gui has broken my editor
 
9:44 PM
REBOL []

if not value? 'to-text [ load-gui ]

v: module [
	Version: 0.0.0
	type: module
	exports: [ test ]
][
	test: func [] [
		view [area]
	]
]

import v

test

Fetching GUI...
** Script error: layout word is not bound to a context
** Where: if view test do either either either -apply-
** Near: if block? window [
    window: layout/background window any ...
Modules used to know about layout etc, but in new r3-gui version .. not
so some type of binding issue?
 
10:04 PM
@GrahamChiu Same error with Atronix's older R3-GUI version.
 
@earl but not saphir
 
@GrahamChiu Huh? I get the above error both with Saphirion's and Atronix' builds.
Those use different R3-GUI versions.
So I think that's an indication, that above error has nothing to do with Saphirion's latest R3-GUI changes.
 
@earl hmm. I didn't explicitly test the above with saphir
but I had wrapped my editor into a module and it was working fine until the new r3-gui came out
 
@GrahamChiu Working fine with which build?
 
Saphir
still works with old r3-gui
 
10:10 PM
Can you do a diff between the two r3-gui versions? Should only be 5 lines changed.
 
Hmm.
Does fail with the old r3-gui
So, it must be another issue that I have found
:(
@earl any idea of how I can get access to the gui from the module then?
 
@GrahamChiu nope. trying
Can't you get rid of the module?
 
@DocKimbel have you seen the gitbook.io ?
@earl I'd like the editor to be a module so I can run multiple instances
otherwise I'll have to wrap the editor into its own context
 
10:48 PM
@Respectech do you get to use rebol at work?
 
@JacobGood1 he owns the business!
 
@GrahamChiu Seems I can't get the module thingie to work as I'd expect.
 
@GrahamChiu lol so does that mean that he is using rebol?
I assume that it does
 
@JacobGood1 yes
@earl well, that doesn't sound good ...
 
@GrahamChiu Better go with the context for now.
Supposedly, modules should always import from the LIB context. So I thought, that after LOAD-GUI is done, I'd just explicitly export from USER to LIB before importing the module.
Doesn't work.
 
10:59 PM
and loading gui inside the module?
 
no cookie
 
11:49 PM
Anyone know of a free online spell checker? Google killed their spelly service and all I can find is this one blog.afterthedeadline.com/2009/11/12/… which means running a 4Gb vm with java just for spelling checking :(
 

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