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4:01 PM
I LOVE to read. Can't read like I used to...
 
I'm reading right now.
 
Anybody active on this forum is reading...
I can't read a novel...Long newspaper articles...
Well, I can, but can't tell you what I read 2 pages ago...
 
thats sad.
 
that sucks man
 
Tell me about it. I learn best in SMALL, one-on-one type q&a
I question. I challange. I come up with shit that people NEVER think about....
I took a java programming class [about 7 years ago] The second week, I was asking quetions about my code [Above mentioned WordFunnel] and he was asking how I came up with what I had. "Internet!" I had great stuff, but only 1/2 the story behind what I had [and I wrote it all without help]
I'm also not a people person, so I just end up pissing people off, yet I don't realize it
 
4:22 PM
hey @CarlAnderson, how goes your app?
 
ok. Lots of feature creep.
 
When's the release?
 
yes
I had to put my foot down yesterday and demand that we figure out a hard release date that we're shooting for
so I've been working on estimates for the tasks remaining,
and after that's done the CEO will prioritize them,
 
I recommend the day after it's completed!
 
and we'll set a date
Karl, it's never going to be completed if every time I come out with a new test build they decide they want more features before releasing it.
 
4:26 PM
oh, feature creep...
 
Oh, how many features can be forced into it by next week....I see
 
the current list of tasks, I'm estimating there's roughly 30 days of work
we might be pulling in the iOS dev to do some of those tasks (especially the back-end ones)
of the 26 tasks remaining, 18 of them were added to the project in the last week.
 
why not release the app and then add those features?
 
Because the initial release is important
18 added in the last week? wow.
 
yeah -.-
 
4:31 PM
Which features are not NECESSARY for a good project?
Somebody has to be the ahole and decide what is needed
 
and this was after yesterday's triage where we cut some of the tasks
 
wow
 
It's all about the first impression for a startup I guess
and they are trying to do everything right
 
Wow...and I thought we were bad about feature creep
We just don't tell the developer about an issue until a month after we find out...
 
yeah it's been pretty stressful lately
 
4:34 PM
Then bitch at him about possibly losing the account
 
Don't you use an issue tracker code magic?
 
as long as there's a good tracking mechanism for the features and the estimates and how each new feature impacts the timing, and thats totally transparent... and theres no pressure to overwork the developer...
 
Carl, I hear Indiana devs are pretty good. You should hire one to work remotely ;)
 
Indiana devs?
 
4:35 PM
Not currently, Ahmad
 
cM, if we were hiring, I'd be sure to let you know.
 
Developers from Indiana, neb
And that's why you're the best, Carl
 
I knew a guy that used to get contracts, bill for ~100 an hour, and hire 2 indian devs to do the work for ~15 or ~20 an hour,
 
Developers from Indiana India. Outsource everything.
 
4:36 PM
then sit back and pocket 60 an hour
 
^
 
LOL
 
She gets me
 
he did that for a long time.
he never told the clients, and it never backfired.
all while doing his real, full time gig.
 
I actually heard something about someone doing that a year or so ago on the news
But that time it did backfire
 
4:37 PM
Hehe. I would like to pull something like this off one day.
Just for fun
 
as long as you're a good project manager...
 
he used to use codeMagic as his cover name they said...
 
Yeah exactly
I would still have to supervise the project
 
Emmanuel, shhhh
 
I think I messed up my back while moving to our new apartment
 
4:41 PM
Oh you already moved?
 
well, we didn't end up moving to that nice place
the girl managing it started acting shady
we stayed on the same building we were, but different apartment
 
Oh
what did she do?
 
Why does it take so long to build a new Android project
 
well she changed her mind constantly
 
Btw, it's horrifying to what rates some developers in india are willing to work: elance.com/r/contractors/q-android/rte-lt10/o-1/s-rateSort
 
4:43 PM
first I could pay her with credit card
2 days before we were signing the lease she demanded cash
 
:/
 
that is one month rent + one month of security deposit + pet deposit
she didn't fix what we told her we needed fixed before moving in
and she wanted us to sign the lease before showing us the apartment again
total mess
 
Yeah, seems like a bad sign
 
lol
 
4:47 PM
@Emmanuel I'd walk away too
 
so we had to find an apartment in 2 days during a weekend
 
Mario Kart 8 looks pretty fun
 
the only option was to re-sign at our current place
 
Hopefully they have a "no blue shell" option
 
posted on April 03, 2014 by Tor Norbye

We've just released Android Studio 0.5.4 with the following improvements:Many bug fixes!A new Lint API check, which flags usages of attributes that are not available on all versions supported with minSdkVersion. This is just a warning rather than an error, since unlike unavailable method calls, this will not cause a crash. In some cases, such as in the following screenshot, the fact that the at

 
4:55 PM
> There is a new template for creating a Google Maps Activity (invoke via New > Google > Google Maps Activity) :
that hopefully reduces some SO questions on maps
 
yes
 
Does anyone use ACRA?
 
what is ACRA?
 
no
acra is diarrhea
use crashlytics
 
5:02 PM
ACRA's website is not loading...
 
I forgot about that one. I will check it out.
Can it send crash logs without user intervention?
 
thats what it does
it sends you a full report on any crash regardless if the user does anyhting about it
 
Ok, I didn't know if it popped something up to the user also
 
you can even trigger nonfatals to report to you as well
 
Ah, ok
 
5:04 PM
Not sure if adding "Science, bitches!" was an appropriate response to this job application
 
LOL glitch
maybe if you were sending it to Pavlov he would understand...
(nerdy, probably bad joke)
 
I use ACRA
 
JMR what is better about crashlytics, in your opinion?
I've never used either
 
I use ACRA to send crash reports to BugSense
 
I use BugSense
 
5:13 PM
hmmm
crashlytics is just really clean
its very simple to set up and the dashboard is really good
you can set custom logging and flags too that persist through the entire session
has just a lot of good features
like when a user logs in, you can set their user ID for the session and every crash report will include it
you can do the same for any variable, like if you suspect a certain setting is causing a crash but cant confirm it, just log the status of that setting and then when the app crashes no matter where it occurred it will show that setting in the report
so you can say "oh every time it crashes they have this set to false" or whatever
so i need to read this inputstream and look for certain characters
never done that before, i always cheat and just use IOUtils and get the entire body of the response, i cant do that here though cause the response is massive
 
you can do (m)any of those things with ACRA/Bugsense as well
I'm not going to make any sort of claim as to which is better
I looked at adding one or the other back in October and picked Bugsense/ACRA because we already had ACRA hooked up to the app.
 
acra makes you push to some godawful google spreadsheet right
 
no, that method is deprecated
that's what the app used to do, when I inherited it (it was broken).
The new method is that the ACRA framework pushes the report to Bugsense, which interprets it and handles it.
since we haven't launched yet, I haven't paid Bugsense any money
will probably need to once we launch
 
crashlytics is free
 
crashlytics and bugsense are both free up to a point.
When you start having lots of users and lots of crashes, and want a longer history, etc. then you start paying for a non-free account.
hrm, reading the crashlytics site, it looks like they're moving to a more free model?
 
5:23 PM
i havent hit that point with crashlytics yet
 
Although you have a million user app?
nice
 
i have almost 2 million users i figure if they were looking for cash id be hit with it at this point
 
crashlytics was founded by someone from my school
just found that out
 
the guys who do it work(ed?) for twitter iirc
 
he's probably living comfortably after being bought out by twitter
they sold to twitter for 100 mil before the ipo, afterwards it was valued at like 250mil
 
5:25 PM
damn i love blueberry muffins
goddamn 100 million
 
100 million?!
 
i dont understand that
 
the crashlytics site is really annoying me right now. The "pricing" page claims that all the accounts are now free, with a link to "why is it free?" which doesn't say anything about why it's free, just that it is!!!11!
google says they "only" paid $38 million for Crashlytics
 
The app doesn't have to go through the market to use it, does it?
 
the rest was probably stocks then
 
5:28 PM
cM - no
 
Thanks, didn't think so but thought I'd ask
 
or at least not in the ACRA/Bugsense one. I'd be surprised if Crash was different
 
Once my blood pressure simmers down and I can focus again I can look into them myself a little but wanted opinions from those of you who's used them.
Thanks!
 
we're here to help you with problems cM, we are only programmers after all!
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ugh
i dont even know where to start with this nonsense
 
5:32 PM
lol carl
 
it's a good thing I'm never sarcastic
 
I'm glad you realize your role, Carl ;)
 
seriously, who socializes with software developers? NOBODY. That's who.
 
That guy was just ridiculous
 
he was hilarious
 
5:38 PM
He apparently didn't realize the irony
 
6:34 PM
 
7:13 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/2567012/… if you can. It might you think that I did wrong but I did correct
 
You did right....voted to close
 
thnx
has merged to and every question which was tagged in market , today all were re-tagged to google-play tag
 
I wasn't following that one but thought it might go through
 
> can u tell me the example codes, tutorials for that?
 
yes sure Ahmad :)
 
7:20 PM
erm... yes
lol
 
today doing web stuff grails grails.org
 
for some reason I read gratis which means free in Spanish...
 
Ah, okay, grails use same build system as AS use, gradle Nice
 
grails is groovy
gradle is groovy
so makes sense I think
 
hmm
 
7:33 PM
do you like Grails? was looking at trying it out but went with NodeJS instead
 
hmm I don't know much about NodeJS, never worked
 
hey @codeMagic I think Cubs players need some training on how to choose the correct uniform for the game...
 
I'm back!
Anybody miss me?
 
How do you mean? I didn't get to watch today...just updates
Emmanuel did, Karl
This made me laugh...
> CodeMagic think I have it working like a boss now:
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A: onItemSelected method help - loading an Intent

AndrewNRCodeMagic think I have it working like a boss now: @Override public void onItemSelected(AdapterView<?> arg0, View arg1, int arg2, long arg3) { if(go) { int index = arg0.getSelectedItemPosition(); if(index == 0) ...

 
^ chose the wrong uniform
 
7:42 PM
Ha, even being a Cubs fan that's still funny
They finally won today so maybe he is on to something
 
that is what desperate fans do...they hold on to players doing something stupid as a sign of luck
I would be the same way if my team didn't actually win for 105 years
 
Hey, that's sports. Haven't you seen the commercials?
 
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A: ViewFlipper inside ViewPager - OutOfMemory

PearsonArtPhotoOne of the 10 commandments of Android: 4) Thou Thou shalt remember thy variables, to recycle them. Neither thy Bitmaps, nor thy TypedArrays, nor thy Parcels, nor even a reference to thy MotionEvents outside of thine functions shall escape without being .recycle()d! So do this: Bitmap icon...

> recycling bitmaps was important on pre - Honeycomb. on post honeycomb the system knows automatically to reclaim this memory when there are no references to the bitmap anymore. anyway - recyling the bitmap imidatlly after setting it to image view is wrong!!!
Is that last statement accurate?
 
8:03 PM
> In addition, prior to Android 3.0 (API Level 11), the backing data of a bitmap was stored in native memory which is not released in a predictable manner, potentially causing an application to briefly exceed its memory limits and crash.
So yes, that's only a pre HC thing
 
I'm pretty sure this guy on the phone just called me "hun" can't be positive though
 
LOL
 
Afaik, simply doing bitmap=null will do task for you, no need to call recycle prior to Android 3.0
yes it is not correct to recycle the bitmap after setting it to imageview
cya
 
8:23 PM
cya
 
I see you
 
I see you too honey
 
I'm SCARED
 
user457812
Never got the point of cheat sheets.
 
user457812
8:27 PM
Why can't you just memorize the crap you need?
 
user457812
If you're using it often enough, you don't need a cheat sheet because you'll remember it. If you're not, you don't need a cheat sheet because you're not using it often enough to justify having one.
 
that's the point of it
to help you memorize lol
I have a git cheatsheet next to me that I would reference, but now I don't need it
 
some of those cheat sheets are really bad
 
user457812
I've never seen a useful cheat sheet.
 
Write one!
 
user457812
8:37 PM
I probably never will see one.
 
My engineering mathematics test were so hard the professor encouraged us to bring a cheat sheet
10 possible multiple choice answers that were taken out of a pool of commonly wrong answers to that problem
so yeah, a good cheat sheet was needed
 
for some of my engineering tests if you scored a 40% it was considered good, and that was with a cheat sheet lol
 
there was an Organic Chemistry I exam at my school in which the mean was a 30%
since it was curved
if you got a 0 you passed
 
lol
name: 5pts
 
I really do not see the point of making a test so hard that the majority of people cannot pass it
 
8:46 PM
there's a point
the really smart kids can still shine and be challenged
and the average students still learn all the basic stuff really well
and get to attempt the complicated stuff
 
that is true
but that is where the grading comes into play
all the A+ A A- crap
 
yea that can be tricky and usually arbitrary
 
and if you go to an Ivy League school, all people there are smart
(or their family is really well connected)
 
like for my semiconductor physics class my professor could have easily asked a basic question from the book that we would have all got right
but instead he asked a very abstract and more real-world type of question that had us think outside of the box and apply the book examples in a unique way
 
yeah, those are the classes from which you actually learn stuff
but you hate when you are in them
The class I liked the most in college was called Transport Phenomena
 
8:51 PM
yea, was a miserable class. still learned a lot, but don't think I'll be able to apply any of it to programming lol
 
the instructor always created a real world problem for the test
and we got to play with real world mathematics and physics
I didn't know I liked programming while I was in school...
 
Did you program at school?
 
took one Matlab course
and basic C++ my first semester
(I sucked at it)
 
lol
 
user457812
I'd have probably sucked at the Matlab course.
 
user457812
8:56 PM
I aced both my intro C++ courses, but that was 'cause I'd been programming for a fair amount of time by that point.
 
I did get A in both, but I cannot say I learned a lot
I really had no interest
 
Noel you couldn't place out of the classes?
 
user457812
I took them for fun. I didn't study CS.
 
user457812
Basically, easy credits.
 
user457812
I gots a parrot on my shoulder.
 
user457812
9:08 PM
Said parrot is fairly apprehensive about leaving my shoulder, too.
 
hello room
 
hi Alex
 
whats up..
trying to understand fragments,
apparently google has started pushing that .. so gotta learn it :)
 
user457812
Hm, a friend's twitter account got hacked.
 
@alexsummers I made a blog post about some Fragment gotchas the other day: trevore.com/android-fragment-gotchas
/shamelessplug
 
9:23 PM
hey, blog looks neat. going thru it now :)
 
thanks, still have some layout kinks to work out. I think there are tons of grammar errors too lol
 
grammar is fine, understandable
 
user457812
I could probably find a ton, but I don't really care
 
9:42 PM
Hey the blog does look really nice
I've been trying to finish my blog for a while now
but every time I want to finish it something else comes up
 
thanks. I took an existing theme and then modified it a bunch to make it more readable
 
That's open sans right?
I'm using that atm as well
 
yup, Open Sans
 
I feel if android now creates a new fragment by default, it should atleast do it in another class
 
you mean how android studio creates an inner class for the fragment template?
 
9:50 PM
Yeah the sample code is not always optimal
A lot of the code in the android dev guide doesn't even work
I've noticed that a few times
 
it does that in eclipse too now (in the updated version)
the sample fragment code that they have is horrible!
complete madness!
 
why?
 
they just use one fragment and create multiple instances of it!
 
why is that wrong?
reusing code isn't bad
it's encouraged
 
nah, i mean they should atleast have fragments in different classes and also show different types of xml's being inflated etc
 
9:54 PM
They probably don't need more than one Fragment for the sample project
 
since it is a sample code
 
user457812
Hm, I should probably get my blog tool back to working so I can actually update my blog again
 
user457812
10:53 PM
 
user457812
Okay, what the hell did I break this time..
 
user457812
Ok, now I know what stupid mistake I made.
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