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9:00 PM
@SomeKittens oook then
 
@Loktar "long ass entry" pffshht
Oh, yeah, thanks for the reminder, it's 5
 
@rlemon Yeah, that's why I stopped ever tagging him.
 
@Neal
 
WOA! IT IS FIVE!
 
@SomeKittens .
 
9:01 PM
THANKS KENDALL!
 
puts on cool glasses and heads for skateboard
 
@Neal You want to apply me to the current directory?
 
Bye everyone!
 
@SomeKittens eh? directory of what?
 
9:02 PM
fuck I really need to get into webgl
 
Hey guys, as soon as I embed javascript, all my html elements are gone. Even if the script is empty!? ...Can anyone help out? The example is really minimalistic <script type='text/javascript' src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/2.0.3/jquery.min.js"/>
<script type='text/javascript' src="script.js"/> These lines make everything vanish. script.js is empty! I use google chrome and the file is on localhost
 
@mike Can you give us a JSFiddle example?
 
I'm a java developer, never heard JSFiddle? What is that? Sth. like an SSCCE?
 
@SomeKittens Nice!
@mike Script tags can not be self closing. Has to be <script type='text/javascript' src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/2.0.3/jquery.min.js"></script>
 
9:05 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well remove the /> also. No?
 
Why was his message flagged -_- he came in and asked a legit question...
 
I really have no idea.
 
@Neal Yeah, thanks. Didn't notice that.
 
The flag system pisses me off more and more.
 
@rlemon Damn you, now I don't wanna go home.
 
9:06 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum YAY! I'm helpful!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'll try that. Thx!
 
@Neal Hah, did you just star that :P?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Mayyyybe :-P
 
@mike Sure, no problem. Let us know how that works out.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Worked! Thx again :D
 
9:07 PM
mean @BenjaminGruenbaum :-P
 
No problem, glad to help. It's a common mistake.
@Neal I didn't unstar it :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well who did? :-P
 
No idea, you would have to ask a mod, and not just any mod - someone that cares enough about that sort of stuff, and even then - no :P It's not very interesting who stars/unstars stuff. Stars don't work in this room like they do in some other rooms.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum :-P
 
!!s/:-P/please ignore this message/g
 
9:10 PM
@SomeKittens @BenjaminGruenbaum please ignore this message (source)
 
@SomeKittens ^_^
 
Before I proceed to bitch about how broken flags are in meta, anyone here would like to go forward and say they flagged mike's message?
 
flag invalidated; he didn't even post it multiple times
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum There were about 6-7 flags on it.
 
Yeah, making a meta post
 
9:14 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Have fun! (and yes, they are very very broken)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I saw the list and pinged one of those users in a private channel. I don't remember the other flaggers though
 
@ThiefMaster were most of them from this room?
 
none of the regulars iirc
 
Chat-only mods
Nicely done:
-5
Q: Please don't ban me

ZeusThis got 3 downvotes from guys trying to be funny in chat. There's no good reason for the down-votes that I can see. Can you guys do something to make sure I don't get banned for having a ton of downvotes? Login and Sign Up works. How do I log the user in after signing up?

 
9:20 PM
OOhhh I remember @Zeus lol
 
> This sort of thing usually gets flagged because it's posted repeatedly
From one of the people who validated the flag
 
BUT IT WASN'T
@BenjaminGruenbaum You missed fun earlier today
 
@SomeKittens link?
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Q: Flags in the chat are broken

Benjamin GruenbaumYes, I know the topic has been discussed before. I know that Meta already has threads that complain about how flagging doesn't work. I wanted to give a practical example. Today, a user came in to the JavaScript chat and asked the following question: Hey guys, as soon as I embed javascript,...

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Joe
has anyone ever made a game using ember js?
 
3 hours ago, by Zeus
Hello everyone
@Joe Anyone ever? Probably. I don't know of anyone here.
 
9:25 PM
@Joe What role would you like ember to fill there?
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm curious to know the limits of these JS frameworks. I understand that there however exists other JS game frameworks out there too
 
@Joe Ember is good for UI, don't build a game with it it's too slow for most such purposes.
 
Vanilla JS is the way to go ^_^
 
MV* frameworks solve a problem well for common forms UI, it doesn't work as well for games.
 
If you want to make games, look into uses of <canvas>
 
9:28 PM
@ThiefMaster To be honest it is
 
Joe
@SomeKittens I've heard of that
 
Obviously, it depends on what game you're making.
 
yes i know, most flags on "just code" are because of annoying repetitions by help vampires who don't like being ignored
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Most games do have a gui. I don't think MV* is inherently wrong for games.
 
but i think people should check that before validating a flag
or the act-on-a-flag dialog should display the last 3 messages of the user in the room if there are any recent ones plus the 3 messages right before/after the flagged message
 
9:29 PM
also, what is a game if not a model, view, and controller?
 
I'm sure something like cookie clicker would be fine with MV* frameworks. Something first person? Less so.
 
Joe
I still don't think HTML5 is appropriate for most mobile games.
 
@Shmiddty A tv, a player and a controller.
 
@Joe What u talking about willis?
 
@Shmiddty Separation of concerns is needed everywhere, but common MV* frameworks don't attempt to solve that. When I say common MV* frameworks I think Ember and Angular - not the design pattern.
 
9:30 PM
I'm addicted to writing urban definitions
 
@Shmiddty You'd be surprised how controversial a question that is. (Or, maybe you wouldn't)
 
@Joe I agree, for 3d games I'd probably go with something like Unity over HTML5 with WebGL. It's getting there though and for simpler games it rocks.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum There must be a better title to ur meta post. Right now the title implies a bug report.... :-\
 
@ThiefMaster Also a solid suggestion.
@Neal Come up with one and edit
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I am thinking :-)
 
9:31 PM
> Flags in the chat are defective by design
 
I think an MVC pattern could work extremely well for video games.
 
Joe
This can't be true. "In fact, Vanilla JS is already used on more websites than jQuery,..."
 
> [Node.JS is] essentially just a JavaScript interpreter that isn't a web browser, plus some handy APIs
 
@ThiefMaster ehhhhh. Idk.
 
@Joe Why can't it be true?
 
9:31 PM
Oh... You already changed it.
 
@Joe Yes, mobile games shouldn't be developed in JS (yet)
 
@Joe That's a pun, try to download vanilla JS. "Vanilla" is a term for "no libraries"
 
@SomeKittens That phrasing is so ambiguos it is asking for trouble.
 
Joe
Isn't JQuery everywhere? Literally?
 
@Shmiddty No doubt there, I was talking about the framework.
 
9:32 PM
@Joe LOL
 
Joe
@SomeKittens Unless its Firefox OS
 
@Joe No, not literally. It's not in your hand for example. Use literally properly :P
 
@Joe Yes it is even in my pocket. Wait I don't have any pockets.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well yeah, Angular, for one, is too reliant on the DOM
 
Vanilla JS is the best! ^_^
 
9:33 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Preach.
 
@Joe It's not here, for example: info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
 
@Shmiddty Most JS MV* frameworks are and that's not bad - it just doesn't work for games.
 
Joe
I wonder if there are any websites in the world without any JS on them
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Or, it would only work for a handful of games (the previously mentioned "clicker" genre)
 
@Joe The one I just linked you was created before JavaScript
 
9:34 PM
or facebook style games, etc
 
@Shmiddty I have issues with sites designed using Angular and such beasts. E.g stackoverflow.com/questions/18853183/…. The consensus seems to be -None, as long as you are using title and bla bla
 
@Shmiddty You'd have to ask @IvoWetzel what Zynga do
 
@Joe bestpageintheuniverse?
 
@CaptainGiraffe was there a question you wanted to ask?
 
Joe
9:36 PM
wait, actually I have seen a couple of blogs with nothing but HTML
 
@Joe Nope. I do not believe you.
 
@Shmiddty No I made the statement I disagree with the use of SPAs, Angular in particular, they hurt Accessibility bad. I apologise for not being clear.
 
@CaptainGiraffe How do they hurt accessibility?
 
@Shmiddty I work with a blind guy. He is a programmer and extremely proficient with his tools.
@Shmiddty I can only refer to his judgement that JS to render content sucks donkey balls.
 
That's pretty cool. I've always worried that I wouldn't be able to continue this line of work without my eyesight.
 
Joe
9:39 PM
I bet none of you here have logged onto twitter for the past 4 weeks and some of you probably dont have/use it
 
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Q: game on javascript+html in exe file

Roma Perfilyevis there any platforms like http://cordova.apache.org/ but for converting pure javascript into the executable files without browser ? i want to make a game but know only javascript.

 
@Joe I use it a lot, actually: twitter.com/rkoutnik
 
@Shmiddty He prefers (la)tex docs to plain html, to pdf. Just as an example. A simple html form is ok.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Do you mean JS to generate content?
 
9:42 PM
@Shmiddty Most JS is a nuisance. I'm required to use a font-setting/manipulating framework. I customized it so he doesn't see that.
 
Angular uses HTML as a templating engine. AFAIK, it doesn't generally give you anything you don't ask for.
@CaptainGiraffe like font-scaling for articles, etc?
 
@Shmiddty Yes as a for instance.
 
That should be mostly handled by CSS
which, I wouldn't expect a blind person to be working with
 
Yes, but most sites has ad-hoc JS for formatting.
 
well that's not JS's fault.
 
9:44 PM
@Shmiddty His drawings are quite impressive =)
svg style
 
He sounds like a pretty cool dude
you should have him pop in here some time. I'd love to chat with him
 
Awesome dude, as long as he has the source =)
 
!!afk smoke
 
@Shmiddty Why are you leaving me!?
 
@Shmiddty This is exactly the kind of html that would confuse the hell out of him
 
9:45 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Shmiddty is afk: smoke
 
@CapricaSix So you are the IRC bot standing in for Shmiddty?
 
!!tell CaptainGiraffe help afk
 
@CaptainGiraffe afk: Set an afk message: /afk <message>. Invoke /afk again to return.
 
!!>44596..toString(36)
 
@Doorknob "yes"
 
9:47 PM
@Captain ^ :P
 
Joe
is it wrong to ask people in chatrooms to do things like view blogs or get twitter follows?
 
That was kinda fun =)
 
@Joe well if you just dump links, that would be considered spam.
 
@Joe Only if it's genuinely interesting and relevant to the room.
 
9:48 PM
@Joe Twitter follows yes that is wrong. View blogs, in a proper context fine.
 
(Then it isn't wrong, that is :P)
 
@Joe It's kinda frowned upon. Most of us believe that good content should stand on it's own. If it's good content, share away.
Back when I was regularly writing, I'd share the results with the room
 
Joe
I don't think I'd be able to even put a link. Trolling is strong in every place where people interact
 
@SomeKittens Yes your writing is interesting. Tweets sucks harder than NP.
 
9:49 PM
@CaptainGiraffe What do you mean by that? I'm assuming you enjoy my blog but not my tweets?
 
@SomeKittens Yes, I can form an opinion about your blogs, not your tweets.
 
Cool! Glad someone likes the blog.
I've been working on a reboot
 
@Joe ...well that's quite discriminative
 
Joe
I'm gonna start blogging about my exp with python. I'm sure some linux noob like myself will find it useful
 
i hope you follow PEP8. i hate seeing python blog posts with ugly code :)
 
Joe
9:51 PM
@Doorknob true, but you don't get many female coders, fact.
 
@ThiefMaster room owners can't invalidate flags right? (As in, remove all spam flags on a post)
 
Joe
@ThiefMaster I'll be using Django best practices
 
@Joe That is the way to go. I was going to do the same for myself about angular, but I discovered too quickly I disliked angular.
 
Blogging is awesome. I've learned so much just from writing
 
@Joe PEP8 is just the coding style standard for Python, it has nothing to do with Django (which also has its own conventions you should follow)
 
9:52 PM
x= 'Am I evil? :D'
print ( x )
@ThiefMaster ^
 
DBP seems to suggest zen-of-python and pep8 anyway
@Doorknob: stfu :p
padding-space is so ugly.. also in javascript
 
!!youtube am I evil?
 
Joe
@CaptainGiraffe I learnt that ember is a better option then Angular. then it became a relative issue, then I found microjs.com and then I found this other tiny JS framework and then I realized that at 30kb here or there, size doesn't matter :D
 
and since jquery does it so many people do it in their code, too :(
 
Joe
9:54 PM
My logic behind these JS frameworks is simple. If you want 1-pager apps, use a JS framework. For anything else, use a fullstack one instead.
 
and since jquery makes it easy we don't have to think about the blind guys. - Please do.
 
@Joe What? Frameworks and libraries are just tools in your toolbox. If you're serious about coding the only thing that really matters is creating quality code and following the paradigm and standards well. Most JS MVC frameworks just solve separation of concerns in one way or the other and libraries like jQuery just cover up for a bad API.
 
Fun fact. My buddys banking site works very well with a braille reader. (40 chars with needles indicating the character)
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum True. But you gotta pick your battles right? If we all had to follow the framework fights, no code would get written
 
@Joe You're making agreeable generic comments out of context without saying much. I really don't know how to answer to that.
@CaptainGiraffe Our site doesn't work too well without JS but we really really really don't care. I can't even begin to explain the amount of not caring XD
 
10:00 PM
Our site looks terrible on a braille reader (we're a video platform)
 
Joe
I didn't even understand that frontend web dev could be a job until I realized that Google uses them for things like gmail :D
 
@Joe JS is the most popular programming language if github repositories are a measure.
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum How long did it take you to learn git?
 
@Joe The basics? An hour at most. More advanced topics? It's been 1.5 years, and I'm still working on that.
 
@Joe 5 minutes to get started.
 
Joe
10:04 PM
I get how it works, but it is way more complex than it seems
 
You just git init and you have a repo, you add stuff to it with git add you commit with git commit -m "why am I making this change" , then if you want to commit to a remote you go to bitbucket/github and follow the instructions.
You push to a remote after you add it with git push and you pull from it with git pull, you clone a remote with git clone.
That's pretty much all you need to know to just get started.
 
@Joe what's a full stack js?
 
Joe
@FlorianMargaine I didn't mention full stack JS anywhere. I said full stack framework. Something like RoR or Django or Laravel
 
All Hail The Almighty Lemon!
 
10:14 PM
 
@rlemon How is that karma? She couldn't see that the guy was waiting for the space?
The Explorer was blocking the sight lines
 
@SomeKittens SHE KNEW. SHE KNEW...
 
@Shmiddty Where were you!?
 
Joe
@rlemon Pissing into someones car... clever
 
@Shmiddty they always know....
 
10:19 PM
it sucks that CSS3 transitions don't work well for height:auto <=> height:0
 
also, I imagine (if you look really close, it looks like his window is down) he yelled something, to which he got a curt reply or a flat out fuck you.
 
@ThiefMaster also for display:none display:whatever
 
omg no css transition to display none is such a PITA
 
opacity 1 => 0 - unless you actually need display:none behaviour of course
 
not even a hack like 100% { opacity: 0; } 100% { display: none; } in the transition definition.
horrible.
 
10:20 PM
anyway, i now simply go from max-height 3em to max-height 0
 
not pretty because it would break if the element needed more space but it works for a simple info line at the bottom of an image that should slide out on hover..
 
height: 0px;
width: 0px;
overflow: hidden;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
border: 0px;
was my solution
 
Joe
According to who is it "possible to get a job by using github a lot"?
 
@Joe Me, sorta. Just using it a lot won't get you a job. It's probably the best way to showcase your skills.
"You should hire me"
"Why?"
"I write good code"
"Prove it"
*Links to GitHub*
"Oh, hey, that *is* some nice code. Will a million dollars be ok?"
 
10:25 PM
I've had a few people try to head hunt me off my github
"we found you by your github profile"
 
@rlemon Same here.
Though it was so MadLibs-y it hurt
 
people blanketing for you is always better than you blanketing for a job.
 
not perfect but looks fine...
 
I would rather turn down 50 people then hand out 50 resumes
 
10:26 PM
some space to show the title of the gallery but when hovering it the full cover image is shown
 
@FlorianMargaine I just found another desktop computer I forgot I even had, still usable. So we're at what? 9 or 10?
 
@rlemon heh, only had that once (google recruiter)
 
Joe
@SomeKittens I don't think guys that write binary in their sleep can even earn 1 million dollars a year.
 
@ThiefMaster three times for me now
 
"We liked your work in $GITHUB_PROJECT_0 and $GITHUB_PROJECT_1. We think you'd be a good candidate for a $LANGUAGE job at $EXCITING_STARTUP.
 
10:27 PM
@rlemon Not sure that's true, I spend way too much time dealing with those.
 
which is insane, I have nothing on github worth turning your head over.
 
Joe
@rlemon did you get 'excited' that somebody recognized your skills?
 
i do have one "real" project there (maildump), but yeah
 
@ThiefMaster For me it was the Stack Overflow profile (at least for the Google recruiters).
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum think that again if you are unemployed and looking for work :P
 
10:27 PM
@Joe Oh, it's fairly common here.
 
anyway, i'll see how far i get in their interviewing process... just in case i don't get the CERN job it could be a nice alternative
 
Zuck made $2,000 million last year.
 
@rlemon Are you unemployed and looking for work?
 
but i did see quite a few job listings where they ask for a github link or another link where they can see some code you wrote... in my opinion that's much better than making someone write code on a piece of paper / whiteboard during an interview
 
Joe
@SomeKittens Zuck was self-employed. Savarin made 2500 million without ever writing hello world ()
 
10:29 PM
(i HATE writing code "offline" or with someone looking over my shoulder, so i guess it'll be just as annoying in such an interview...)
 
@ThiefMaster We do both (well, no whiteboard - we give people a computer with internet and common IDEs and they can code in whatever language they want)
 
Joe
@ThiefMaster I'd fail at doing that
 
that sounds awesome @BenjaminGruenbaum
 
@Joe You have a really broad definition of 'self-employed'
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'd pass that
 
10:30 PM
"implement a hash table using just arrays", "implement quicksort in pseudocode", ... - such awesome interview questions!
because you totally cannot google that when you actually need it
 
@ThiefMaster I hate those, but it's hard to come up with good ones too.
 
and you surely need to implement a search algorithm instead of using whatever your language's stdlib provides
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum no, but one situation is definitely better than the other. I would rather have work and have to turn down recruiters than have no work and no one looking at me
 
@Joe I'm not sure that's true.
 
Joe
For a coder job, learn algorithms, design patterns, and every other advanced coding technique. For a couple million dollar startup success, just learn rapid prototyping and know 'people'
 
10:32 PM
@rlemon Oh, of course - and I get interesting offers too, today I got an offer to code in Scala - that's fun.
@ThiefMaster No really, interview questions are really hard to come up with.
 
I want to work with something that isn't .NET or PHP
 
For my interview here, they went back a few commits and asked me to implement the feature they just un-did.
 
Joe
@Shmiddty The savarin part?
 
Waaaaay better than silly logic puzzles
 
@Shmiddty won't ?
 
10:33 PM
@Joe Very false.
Anyone with an iota of industry experience would know better.
 
@Joe You need to learn concepts, not memorize algorithms.
 
It sounds like you're just repeating the front page of HN
 
I expect people who come interview to be able to explain how something like MergeSort works. I don't want them to implement it on a whiteboard
 
media.salon.com/2013/09/vishavjit_singh1.jpg he he hehehe if it makes me racist I'm sorry but this made me giggle.
 
Joe
@SomeKittens I'm making light banter buddy. Don't take me too seriously...
 
10:35 PM
Where do you work?
 
yeah, but even that is questionable in my opinion - depends on the job though. what if you are 40 years old, have been developing application for the last 15 years? then chances are good you forgot the differences between the various algorithms because you never needed them anyway
 
@SomeKittens 5 bucks says @Joe isn't a professional programmer (yet)
 
(Nothing wrong with being new/not having experience)
 
or the not-an-interview-yet phone talk with the google recruiter where she asked me some stuff that would be asked in an interview, too. i felt like being in an oral exam at university
 
@ThiefMaster You do need to see people write code though. I wouldn't hire someone without watching them code.
 
10:36 PM
I'm pretty terrible with jargon and buzzwords
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm a noob, I shall not deny
 
I can't remember that stuff.
 
"what data is stored in an inode", "how many bits are used for the owner permissions of a file on linux", "what's 2^24", etc.
 
@ThiefMaster def super_fancy_search(pattern, string): return re.search(pattern, string)
:D
 
Guilty pleasure - I love interviewing. I really enjoy the process. I wish I had more time to interview though I doubt I'll change jobs at this point.
 
10:37 PM
!!> Math.pow(2,24)
 
@Shmiddty 16777216
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum why not give them a small task and some time (+ the pc with IDEs etc.) and someone sitting in the same room for questions should they have any?
 
This here room is interesting... specially on a 3ds... Can anyone read me?
 
!!> 1<<24
 
@Shmiddty 16777216
 
10:37 PM
@Shaz: no
 
@ThiefMaster Everything on unix/linux fs?
 
Joe
hacker news is interesting though. they ask questions I'd ask too.
 
who expects you to know that?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: there was something from various areas
"what's the first argument of a python method", etc.
 
@ThiefMaster That's what we do right now. We give them a lot of time, a fast computer with lots of IDEs and they get to even choose the language most of the time (except for JS client side specific tasks).
 
10:38 PM
"which function gives you all data about a file in C?" (stat)
 
@ArnoldZak Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Joe
something tells me that at least 68% of average developers cannot write a piece of code without googling a solution first
 
@ThiefMaster It's funny that they ask that in an interview, I'll admit that I knew the ones you listed but I'd hate to be asked those in a phone conversation.
 
I guess I should probably become familiar with ruby... But I don't want to.
 
Joe
of course, 'dev' being the most broad definition there is
 
10:39 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum also, 72% of percentages are made up on the spot.
 
@Shmiddty It's not bad.
 
@Joe I wrote a whole npm package on a bus.
 
@Joe I prefer people who Google before attempting to invent a solution.
 
I think I'd rather work with Node
 
Depends on the task at hand
 
10:40 PM
@Shmiddty Ruby is very nice.
 
Node >>> Ruby for most practical purposes
 
@Shmiddty That's really bad sometimes.
 
Ruby beats Node at rapid prototyping
 
You know what I want my server to do? return data.
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum so there is a slight truth in saying that its less about coding and more about the 'hacking/debugging' process
 
10:41 PM
Anything file system stuff node can be quite a pain.
 
I want my next job to be in Haskell, although I really don't care about the language that much, I care a lot more about the assignments. I like learning new technologies and methods and early adopting stuff. Job should let me do that.
 
Joe
I sense a flamewar now, ruby vs. node
 
*hacks his 3ds into a stackoverflow dedicated device *
 
@OctavianDamiean Only with automation. I hate not having a synchronous version of running a system command.
@Joe ruby is a language, node is a platform...
 
Joe
@BenjaminGruenbaum its not me. its them...
 
Speaking of all this, I've got a phone screen Friday!
 
@ThiefMaster did you pass?
 
does/did anyone here watch Buffy?
 
yes, i knew pretty much everything (even though i was lucky with some theoretical cs stuff)
 
10:46 PM
Yeah, that's why I'd never be able to work for Google. I'm not well-versed enough in the advanced CS stuff
 
I really considered Google at a point, I think it's a good place to work.
 
they scheduled a phone (well, G+ hangout) interview with an engineer (his name sounds indian :/) for november.. i think 2 or 3 days before the date where i get the response from CERN if i get a job there or not
(i'd prefer the cern job ;))
 
@ThiefMaster You've applied at CERN and Google?
 
at cern i applied, at google i was contacted by recruiter who saw my github account
 
@ThiefMaster Probably me too. I've decided against working for Google, although they seem really nice.
 
10:48 PM
@ThiefMaster nice.
 
what annoyed me a bit was that the recruiter didn't know details about the benefits, e.g. how many vacation days you get per year
 
@ThiefMaster wouldn't both of them require relocation?
 
yes, zürich or geneva
 
Joe
living in CA where its always warm is a good thing
 
10:48 PM
See, that's the only problem I have.
 
but most companies here in my hometown suck anyway (mostly buzzword-friendly java companies)
 
@ThiefMaster They're really good if they're like what I was "offered" (and I say that with quotes because I didn't really get an offer, it was more of a "if you're interested we can discuss X")
 
@Joe Where in CA?
 
Joe
@SomeKittens I dont know, but wikipedia says that some parts of it have the Mediterranean climate
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: wanna tell me the value of X? I'm curious. if it's somewhat confidential just edit it after a few seconds and i'll purge the message history afterwards ;)
 
10:49 PM
@Joe Some parts. It's actually rather cold in SF right now.
 
@nderscore the short solution for km4 is to cheat
 
Joe
@SomeKittens define cold? in celcius
 
@Joe 10C w/ regular high winds. Not terribly cold (I'm from NY) but not 'always warm' either.
 
Delete is enough, no need for purge
 
10:53 PM
oh it's almost 5 already
 
i'd love something with 30d tbh - but maybe i'm a bit spoiled by the year i was at cern
 
yw, it might be completely different since Google is a big company with a lot of local branches who might be doing things differently.
 
@ThiefMaster how old are you again?
 
good job winning at life
 
10:54 PM
30 is reasonable. It really depends on what you ask. After I finish with my MSc I intend to try and work between 60% and 80%
 
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the system at cern is pretty nice: you get 2.5 days per month (so, 30 per year) but the whole organization is closed for 2 weeks over christmas
and you don't need to take any vacation days for that time
 
That's amazing
Here we make a big deal out of getting the Friday after Thanksgiving off.
I think we get some time off around Christmas, but we have to use vacation days.
 
There are two periods of time (that usually sync with school vacations) where most companies here allow you to take days at 50% cost. So you get a week at the cost of 2.5 days and it also aligns with another vacation so you get like 10 days off for 2.5
 
I'm not sure how my PTO works. I accrue 2.8 hours every two weeks. And I also get some number of days every quarter.
 
10:58 PM
2.5 days off a month sounds fun though, I really want to do 60-80% work time.
 
and the other benefits there are somewhat nice, too
international/european organization => for some reason you don't pay income tax
 
^ that's huge
 
Joe
you guys should read the 3 hour work week. that guy sold a couple million copies and ended up working those 3 hours by making so many suckers by his book
 

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