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3:01 PM
guys quick question:
how to turn "1 3 8 14" into [1,3,8,14]?
 
split?
 
@Mirac7 using str.split
 
Interesting post from the site supercollider: yanking out your flash drive without using the "safely remove" option could permanently reduce the drive's available space
 
@Kevin really?
 
Maybe. I'd be very interested in a citation.
 
3:03 PM
like you have numberlist = "1 3 8 14", result = numberlist.split() I guess
 
Specifically it occurs if you interrupt the connection while data is being written. Which isn't too common.
 
@Mirac7
>>> my_str = "1 3 4 5"
>>> l_n = my_str.split(' ')
>>> l_n
['1', '3', '4', '5']
@Mirac7 does that help?
 
You may want a l_n = map(int, l_n) at the end of that if you want a list of integers instead of a list of strings
 
New and improved. Thanks @Kevin I forgot that part! :P
>>> my_str = "1 3 4 5"
>>> l_n = my_str.split(' ')
>>> l_n
['1', '3', '4', '5']
>>> map(int, l_n)
[1, 3, 4, 5]
 
or in one line:[int(x) for x in my_str.split(' ')]
 
3:07 PM
@jbaiter yea, I wanted to do that, but probably the guy dsnt know about list comprehensions
 
Then you can compromise and do map(int, my_str.split())
 
sorry, I was just being a smartass ;-) @Mirac7, if you don't know about comprehensions in Python, they can be a very handy tool
 
@Kevin Wanted to show him the results.
 
Sound reasoning.
 
Total one liner -> [int(x) for x in "1 2 3 4".split()] :P
 
3:10 PM
it worked thanks
 
@Mirac7 awesome.
 
Umm, cabbagebot would have been useful for that :)
 
is there a simple way of removing all non-numerical chars excluding spaces from string
 
@Kevin I tried to do this with __import__ still not working.. any idea?
    _globals = {}
    _globals['__builtins__'] = builtins = globals()['__builtins__']

    def cimport(function):
        def __cimport__(name, globals=None, locals=None, fromlist=(), level=0):
            return function(name, _globals, _locals, fromlist, level)
        return __cimport__

    builtins.__import__ = cimport(builtins.__import__)
 
@Mirac7,
s = "Hello123World!456"
s = "".join(char for char in s if char in "0123456789")
print s
Result: 123456
 
3:17 PM
thanks again
 
There's probably a shorter way, using translate or regexes or something, but I can't be bothered to find out
 
at the end, the exec() calling is missing -- I mean, I passed the newly created _globals to the compiled code object
 
@PeterVaro What are you trying to do in your code btw?
 
This is a bit beyond my capabilities. I tend to recoil at the sight of so many double underscores.
 
@GamesBrainiac I try to pass ONE globals dictionary to all the imported modules in a dynamically executed script (exec)
@Kevin :) you can remove the underscores from cimport, if that helps:)
//ore at least replace it to _cimport
 
3:21 PM
@Mirac7,
>>> import re
>>> s = "Hello123World!456"
>>> print re.sub(r"\D", "", s)
123456
 
My "Dummies' Guide to Python's Deep Magic" is of no use to me here
 
umm... nooooooo...
 
"\D" matches all non-numerical characters, and re.sub replaces these with the empty string in the input string
 
@jbaiter I remember a better way to do this, I forgot though.
 
"".join(x for x in s if x.isdigit()) ? That gets rid of the re import
or: filter(str.isdigit, s)
that's probably the most beautiful version
 
3:25 PM
@jbaiter Thats the one
I just finished testing it, as you wrote it here! :P
 
@jbaiter i also needed spaces to stay so "".join(char for char in s if char in "0123456789 ") works for me fine
 
Oops, next time I'll read the requirements all the way through :-)
 
@jbaiter >>> filter((lambda x: str.isdigit(x) or str.isspace(x)), s)
This one uses lambdas! :P
very readable
 
yep, that one wins, definitely ;-)
 
May as well cut out the strs and do filter(lambda x: x.isdigit() or x.isspace(), s)
 
3:29 PM
>>> s = "Hello123World!456"
>>> filter((lambda x: str.isdigit(x) or str.isspace(x)), s)
'123456'
 
the only reason for using str in the first place is if you need a one-argument function to pass to map/filter/whatever
 
@Kevin Even better.
 
ok, i've got one more question :P
 
@Mirac7 no you don't :)
Oh wait. the answer is, yes, I am this awesome in real life too :)
 
@JonClements Self-obsessed???? :>
 
3:34 PM
Is there a way to retrieve a value from tkinter checkbutton without actual variable in which it is stored? Something like checkButton.get()?
 
Cabbage folks
 
Difficult to not be if you're me @KDawG :)
 
nice bling @KDawG
 
@JonClements I get it tiny self-obsessed pup... :)
 
howdy zod
 
3:37 PM
not too shabby @JonClements; and you?
 
not bad - sore throat - head ache
been worse :)
 
@Mirac7 haven't played iwth tinker in a long time. Ask @PeterVaro he's the best at this
@Kneel-Before-ZOD Yo bro! :D
 
what's kicking, @GamesBrainiac?
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD I think we're having a friendly rivalry here, like who can solve the python problem most succinctly! :P
Its a lot of fun actually
 
nice! had similar battle a few weeks ago on here; who's winning......and what's the prize? A puppy?
 
3:41 PM
days ago got rid of my old avatar Dat Feeling...
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD I think Kevin is
Although I did win the first battle! :P
 
never thought that bling would be going green :)
 
@Mirac7 so you want to use it without an IntVar, BooleanVar, DoubleVar or StringVar?
 
Yes.
 
Now here comes the best Tkintian @PeterVaro
 
3:44 PM
there are a few guys whose codes are so beautiful that if they speak to women the way they code, they'd be uber mack daddies. @Kevin, @JonClements, @PeterVaro are some of them
 
any PyQt'ians??
 
oops....sorry for the pings, folks
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD true....
 
@Mirac7 is there any reason to do that?
I mean, sure you can, you can always create a custom class, that implements you custom methods like, your get()
 
this guy suggests creating your own CheckButton subclass that keeps track of its checked state.
 
3:45 PM
but I don't see the point of this..
since it will be nothing more, just an interface
 
I understand the reasoning. All other things being equal, I'd prefer to have one less variable floating around my program.
 
because Tkinter Variable Classes has their own get() methods..
 
Why have separate variables checkButton and checkButtonState when I can just have checkButton.is_checked()?
 
@Kevin but there will be a variable for that, only hidden under the custom class's interface
@Kevin umm.. well, it makes sense..
 
That's the beauty of encapsulation. There's a variable hidden under there, but I don't need to name it or keep track of it.
 
3:47 PM
I'd prefer to use a method to retrieve that variable directly.
 
Encapsulation and Abstraction are probably the most important terms in all of CS
 
@GamesBrainiac CS?? Counter-Strike??
 
@KDawG Computer Science.
 
I gotta be retarded
 
do you really need a variable to store checkButton.is_checked(); isn't that one more variable to log around?
 
3:49 PM
thought you were speaking bout games cause your name is @GamesBrainiac
 
@Kevin that makes sense
 
@KDawG lol
 
the problem is, there isn't a checkButton.is_checked in the ordinary checkbutton class.
 
I love the Python lounge. Everyone is so nice. But I got my suspicions about @JonClements. He's too nice, and his avatar is too cute. He's probably up to something! :P
 
no way!; a CheckButton class with no is_checked property? Who wrote that class?
 
3:52 PM
Maybe the documentation is omitting it. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
@GamesBrainiac yup, getting you addicted to this room is his hobby it seems...
 
it's one of the most needed properties; it's like having a dropdown with no selectedvalue method or property
 
@Mirac7 are we taling about something like this?
    import tkinter

    class CheckButton(tkinter.Checkbutton):

        def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs):
            self._var = tkinter.BooleanVar()
            tkinter.Checkbutton.__init__(self, variable=self._var, *args, **kwargs)

        def is_checked(self):
            return self._var.get()


    root = tkinter.Tk()

    c = CheckButton(root, text='Test')
    c.pack()

    root.bind('<space>', lambda e: print(c.is_checked()))
    root.mainloop()
now, if you run it, you can check the button, and after hitting space-bar it will prints out the status of the chackbutton
 
yeah, but unneccessary hassle. i wanted to skip intvar to keep the code simple...
anyway, i already implemented it normally
 
3:59 PM
then why don't you implement your own checkbutton?
I mean, I did that for myself -> draw one in tkinter.Canvas and binded my own function to it
 
it's ok...
 
:)
Like I told you, this is only an interface, but as @Kevin pointed out -- it could make your code simpler, and easier to handle
 
I wish I could see a comparison between the speed of compiled python and interpreted python
compiled python being bytecode
 
@GamesBrainiac there is none on execution
 
according to this tutorial, there is a variable properties with values 0 or 1, depending on if it is checked
 
4:05 PM
@GamesBrainiac bytecode is faster to load
 
@PeterVaro I see. I will remember that.
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD yes, a builtin tkinter variable class is used here (just as I used one in my above example), called IntVar
 
Let's test this variable property.
 
so, it doesn't need an is_checked() method then; however, if a subclass is already being created for it, there's no reason not to include that
 
from Tkinter import *
def report(*args):
    print a["variable"]

root = Tk()
a = Checkbutton(root)
a.pack()
b = Button(root, text="report variable", command=report)
b.pack()
root.mainloop()
Result, when clicking 'report variable' button: 37244616L
This is the output regardless of the state of the checkbox.
 
4:17 PM
Why does condition not a in [a,b,c] return False, but entry.get() in [a,b,c] returns True, even though a is equal to entry.get()
 
is that an example? seems you have two a
 
Checked string variable is equal to one in the list. That's what I meant
 
is it actually a string or just some object with a __str__ method?
 
Actual string variable
 
@Mirac7 Give us a code paste.
 
4:31 PM
I can't paste code, I'm on my phone now, but the code goes like this:
 
@Mirac7 Then go home, sit at a desk, and give us a proper paste mate.
 
Hang on...
 
oh yes, and use dpaste.de
It has good python syntax highlighting
 
@Kevin does that indicate that the object isn't behaving as it ought?
 
4:42 PM
I'm guessing 37244616L is the address of the IntVar that Tkinter assigned to the checkbox by default. It's not very useful information unless I already have an actual reference to that object, which is what we're trying to avoid in the first place!
 
rockstar! @Code-Guru
 
@Mirac7, which part of that code corresponds with the not a in [a,b,c] expression in your hypothetical?
 
well, I don't think we are trying to avoid it; the state has to be stored somewhere; however, it makes sense for it to be stored in the actual class, than in a subclass
 
not entryName.get() in nameList (line 5)
 
Could you explain again, how this code is behaving differently than expected?
 
4:50 PM
not entryName.get() in nameList is not the same as entryName.get() not in nameList, I believe
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD Hello!
 
@Code-Guru your connection is that slow? :-P
 
@Kevin if entryName.get()="abc" and nameList=["abc","bcd","cde"], not entryName.get() in nameList returns True
 
BTW, it may be bad to have a while loop in a Tkinter application that continuously checks the state of a UI widget.
 
why?
 
4:51 PM
@Kevin True.
I'm sure there are other ways
 
You need to occasionally yield time to the Tkinter event loop, so it can process input coming from the user.
Ex. The user types into the Entry box, but Tkinter never has time to register that, since it's eternally trapped in your while
 
How should I integrate my check within mainloop()?
 
so entryName.get() returns an empty string, long after the user has typed in information.
You could put this check in the keyboard event listener for each Entry box. Whenever the user adds or deletes a character, check to see if the input is valid, and enable/disable the confirm button as necessary.
 
untrue. if entryName.get() changes from "" to anything, it will automatically respond (button enabled)
 
Then this while loop is occurring in a place I didn't expect. It's hard to make predictions when I can't see the whole code :-)
 
4:57 PM
for item in clients:
    nameList.append(item[0])
    print("item")
prints out nothing
 
Where is this loop, anyway? Before mainloop? Inside an event callback? Invoked by after_idle?
 
not even an empty list
 
Makes sense. If clients is empty, then no printing whatsoever will occur.
 
after mainloop, just after frame gui created by user's trigger
within a function called after mainloop
 
Well, the thing about mainloop is, it's supposed to run forever. So anything appearing after it should never execute.
 
5:02 PM
@GamesBrainiac sorry I missed your @ - I was too busy disposing of evidence...
 
when user selects option in menu, mainloop is already running
 
Yep. if the window is visible, that means mainloop is running.
 
Poll: Code blocks inside blog posts.
Vertically fully expanded or fixed height with scroll bar?
 
@kevin window is visible before mainloop is running too
 
fixed height for me
 
5:07 PM
it appears that clients is always read as [] even though it isn't really empty
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD Example: Last code block in this blog post. Still fixed height?
 
You could do something like this, removing the need for while loops and time.sleep:
 
@ŠimeVidas fixed height with option to expand
 
from Tkinter import *

clients = [("Alice", 4), ("Bob", 8), ("Charlie", 15)]

def perform_validation(*args):
    nameList = []
    for item in clients:
        nameList.append(item[0])
    is_valid = name_entered.get() != "" and not name_entered.get() in nameList and subject_entered.get() != ""
    if is_valid:
        confirmButton.configure(state=NORMAL)
    else:
        confirmButton.configure(state=DISABLED)
    confirmButton.update()

root = Tk()

name_entered = StringVar()
name_entered.trace("w", perform_validation)
 
I don't want to a 100-lines of code, especially if I'm not interested in reading such code :)
 
5:10 PM
@Kneel-Before-ZOD That's my idea too:
 
even SO truncates pasted text after a specific line; to read the rest, you need to click on a link :)
 
Chat needs anti-flooding precautions, but your blog doesn't.
 
give ppl what they want: a choice to skip unwarranted code; (chants What do we want?)
 
I think we agree on an option to expand/contract, but we disagree on what the default state should be.
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD The connection to my mind is that slow
 
5:15 PM
@kevin I wasn't using additional variables for entry fields
 
Ideally, readers of your blog are interested in reading everything that you are writing, including the code blocks. So optimize the common case and leave them all expanded.
 
@Code-Guru time to upgrade your mind? I heard that they do it free of charge now :)
 
Hell, why not just a link at the top of the code 'skip code', that moves down to below the code.
no javascript even required.
 
@Mirac7, that's the easiest way to fire an event whenever the Entry box changes.
 
@Kevin not necessarily; sometimes, readers are interested in the idea and not in the actual implementation
 
5:17 PM
yeah. I didn't know about trace method
 
is anyone familiar with flask send_from_directory()?
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD I heard it's called sleep.
 
Ok, sometimes readers want only the idea, and sometimes readers want everything. The default should be set for the convenience of whichever side is the majority :-)
 
rhubarb guys
 
rhubarb; have fun @Mirac7
@Kevin in that case, the poll should be on the blog and not on here? :-P
 
5:21 PM
So what you up to, @Kneel?
 
bye folks
cya again soon :)
 
this and that :)
bye; have fun :) @GamesBrainiac
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD school? any random personal projects?
 
@Code-Guru there's a sch project.....and lots of reading...........and work............and SO :) ; everything else has been suspended
were you able to find a solution to that python-Android issue?
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD kind of...I'm going to manually add the directory to Jython's search path before trying to load my module.
very kludgy, but it looks like it should work...
actually working on it right now.
 
5:28 PM
no better solution online? weird
 
For some reason monkeyrunner or Jython won't look in the current directory for my module, even though it is listed in sys.path.
looks like I'm running into another problem: starting the android emulator on this computer ;-(
 
how was it listed in the sys.path ? insert or append?
lol....problem with computer or emulator?
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD not sure
maybe problem with my Android SDK install
@Kneel-Before-ZOD import sys; print(sys.path) at the beginning of my script shows the CWD in sys.path.
 
haven't you been using the same computer for it?
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD mayber it's just slow...incredibly slow
@Kneel-Before-ZOD no, I'm on a different computer now than the one I usually use.
yah...it's just slow.
 
5:34 PM
maybe the path being overridden somewhere;
oh okay
can you print the path again as the last line your program?
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD working on it
bleh...gotta tweak my configuration
@Kneel-Before-ZOD I haven't worked on this in ages...almost forgot how to even compile my Android app lol
 
5:52 PM
@Code-Guru lol....isn't that ant debug (from your root folder) and adb install file.apk (in the bin folder) ?
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD or just ant debug install.
@Kneel-Before-ZOD Also had to update my $JAVA_HOME variable and run android update project to update the sdk.dir variable for both my library and app projects.
@Kneel-Before-ZOD Anyway...I'm out for a little while. Time to take a nap. TTYL.
 
I never had to use that before; it works?
have fun @Code-Guru
 
6:29 PM
@JonClements have you ever used assert statement for example in testing?
 
nope - not really
 
Lately I've been using assert for debugging in place of "I'll just put a bunch of print statements everywhere to see where it's crashing"
 
@Kevin yeah, but isn't it easier to put if not condition: print('problem here')
instead of:
try:
    assert condition
except AssertionError:
    print('problem here')
of course, you don't have to handle the exception
 
I never catch assertions. If an assert fails, then the program is behaving incorrectly, so it's pointless to continue.
 
@Kevin but if you are doing a huge unit-testing or something
you want all tests to run, and get the result
^ this is what I'm doing atm
 
6:35 PM
So the resulting code is quite small: assert foo == bar, "expected bar to equal {}, got {} instead".format(foo,bar)
The unittest module is basically what you describe. It performs all the tests and tells you how many failed.
 
@Kevin exactly, I used it before -- but I thought I implement my own, and use the assert statement for the first time in my life;)
 
As I understand it, unittest doesn't actually use the assert keyword. It uses methods like assertEquals(x,y), which report the results to the unit test manager, instead of actually raising an exception.
 
yes
umm.. anyway, thanks for letting me know, that assert statement has an extended form: assert expr, expr2
 
yes, it's very useful :-) Remember not to put it in parentheses. assert(1==2, "foo") will never trigger an exception!
 
heya @ПавелТявин
 
6:42 PM
The warning from the interactive prompt is so coy:
>>> assert(1==2, "bluh")
<stdin>:1: SyntaxWarning: assertion is always true, perhaps remove parentheses?
Remove parentheses, perhaps? I might be wrong, your mileage may vary. That's just my opinion.
 
@Kevin umm.... is there any tea left.... or do I need to somehow extract it from the ocean again?
 
I forgot to fire retrorockets during the venting stage, so it's not a Low Orbit Tea Cannon any more. More like a free floating interplanetary tea cannon now.
I'm planning to use Europa in a slingshot maneuver that will bring it back into alignment. While it's there, I'm hoping it can detect liquid water. Both for the sake of scientific discovery, and so I can get some raw materials that haven't been ruined by a million years of inadvertent homeopathy.
Earth water's nasty. People have died in it, you know. Europaean water will be comparatively much better.
 
I love that plan on so many levels - but it fails somewhat on the "I would like a cup of tea now level" :)
 
@JonClements heya!
 
Never depend on Internet strangers for regular tea delivery. We're a bunch of scoundrels.
 
6:57 PM
heh, awesome... inventwithpython.com/pyganim/tutorial.html "12/9/2011 - I'll finish this tutorial this weekend."
 
WGH
hmm, I was sure unittest does raise AssertionErrors
 
scoundrels, all of 'em
 
@ThiefMaster I like the It's pretty straightforward, ... :)
@Kevin so - no tea? :(
 
Hmm, maybe it does, @WGH. For instance, what happens if your setup function raises an exception?
Sorry, @JonClements, I'm powerless to bring you tea :<
 
WGH
@Kevin Probably an error (as opposed to fail)
 
7:00 PM
@Kevin but, but....
 
WGH
ff you check the unittest source, there are raise self.failureException all over the place
and failureException defaults to AssertionError
anyway, AssertionError results in "fail", any other exception - in "error"
not sure if that applies to setup, since it probably doesn't make sense to assert something in setup function anyway
 
SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S NO TEA!
 
WGH
you won't believe it, but I'm actually drinking tea ATM
 
Crying will only make you thirstier!
 
Ooo... think I got that to line up - funky
 
7:06 PM
Oh, I'm drinking tea too
 
Tea all around me, and not a drop to drink because someone's disrupted the orbit of the tea cannon!
 
There was a reason I got fired from the astrophysics factory :'-(
 
WGH
so, channel ops get notified when someone never seen before joins, am I correct?
 
And that reason was, I spent too much time on Reddit. But if I hadn't, they would have soon discovered I was a lousy astrophysicist anyway.
 
@WGH do you mean in the SO rooms?
 
WGH
7:09 PM
@JonClements yes
 
@WGH absolutely NOT
:)
 
@WGH not unless they're using some kind of user script.... some of them just pay attention and say hi though :P
 
@JonClements That also happens when the tea is awful
 
Of course...
 
Does anybody have a deal with django here?
 
7:15 PM
Have a deal?
 
I mean uses
 
Oh, I thought, if he did something ,we let him go and let him save his wife or something...
 
:)
I want to ask very personal question about him
the question is a little bit about slavery
 
Anyway... don't really use Django so much anymore.... why do you ask?
 
Right now I deploy some django app to a server. And I was thinking about good way of deploying
cause once i've choosed a way to do that and maybe nowadays there are some more better approaches
 
WGH
7:19 PM
I'm interested in this topic, too
 
to do that. You know, there is an interface called wsgi
 
WGH
though I don't have Django apps
 
Ugh - can't help there... I normally just copy the directory and change the wsgi settings
 
yes. So how do you run wsgi?
 
WGH
do you really need to change wsgi settings that often?
 
7:20 PM
no of course. I mean wsgi is launched by a webserver
 
I think most of my stuff is apache2/mod_wsgi
 
yes, apache2/mod_wsgi is the way I did for about 2 years
But they say, that nowadays there are more efficient ways to do the thing
 
WGH
nginx/uwsgi, I suppose?
 
there are some pythonic based webservers that can do the same
uwsgi/gunicorn/mod_wsgi
i know these three
 
WGH
IIRC uwsgi isn't really pure python
 
7:22 PM
one interesting is gunicorn
 
WGH
webserver interface is written in C
 
@WGH not always. See gunicorn
So I want to ask, maybe someone had tried it
 
WGH
@ПавелТявин I was talking about uwsgi actually
uwsgi is uwsgi/FastCGI server, mod_wsgi is Apache module and gunicorn is actually HTTP server, so they use quite different approach to the same problem
 
7:52 PM
Interesting article on a man who could get drunk by eating starchy food.
 
user image
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Umm.... interesting post for the 5 year thingy
 
Isn't that nice :-)
 
What further endorsement could be required :)
 
It seems that we're more than just a question answering collective!
 
heya @Shawn
 
 
1 hour later…
9:19 PM
Hey, anyone knows more about webscraping using mechanize/
 
What exactly are you trying to do?
 
9:47 PM
can I include "graphic design" on my resume if I made a cheesy poster for a company?
 
10:18 PM
@Kneel-Before-ZOD You around?
 
@Code-Guru hey rockstar! what's up? :)
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD I found the problem.
['e:/bin/java/android-sdk/tools/lib/monkeyrunner.jar:e:\\dev\\src\\java\\bbct\\android\\functional-tests', 'E:\\bin\\java\\android-sdk\\tools\\lib\\Lib', '/E:/bin/java/android-sdk/tools/lib/jython-standalone-2.5.3.jar/Lib', '__classpath__', '__pyclasspath__/']
That's my sys.path.
@Kneel-Before-ZOD Apparently monkeyrunner doesn't correctly add the CWD to the list.
 
there you go :)
 
@Kneel-Before-ZOD Originally, I saw the CWD listed and didn't notice that it isn't included as a separate string but as part of another string in the list.
 
what path is _classpath_ ? Not familiar with it
 
10:30 PM
no idea
The 'e:/bin/java/android-sdk/tools/lib/monkeyrunner.jar:e:\\dev\\src\\java\\bbct\\android\\functional-tests' is what has me worried.
 
so, you gonna add your path now?
 
It's all one string when it should be two separate strings.
Yah, for now I'll probably add it manually. Hopefully I can find a better fix, though.
IMO, it looks like a bug in either MonkeyRunner or Jython.
 
are you using a Win system?
 
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