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7:00 AM
They can only harm the people that care about their accounts/names, not the trolls
 
anyway, IRC is what it is.. but to argue we should use it instead of this .. is nuts. Totally different goals.
 
it's like DRM, in a way
 
@JeffAtwood what happens if someone steals your account, and talks a lot of sh** in here? The owner is responsible for its account, but there's an already defined procedure to revert that? /me just curious.
 
that has never happened in the entire 2.2 year history of our websites
 
except for when someone did login as you... (;
 
7:02 AM
@rchern Ah, beat me to it ;)
 
@JeffAtwood And yet you use it as an excuse to field captchas to everybody
 
@JeffAtwood ok, what do you say those different goals are?
 
I dunno. If you don't like this chat, don't use it. Seems really simple to me.
 
@JeffAtwood well, it may not had a really bad impact because it was just a matter of deleting answers/comments. But here users have no control over the data they produce.
 
@jweyrich I'm not sure I follow that last sentence, heh.
 
7:03 AM
it just seems like this is a "what if I'm hit by a meteor" argument. I dunno, then you got really unlucky?
 
@TimStone if your account was stolen, you can't revert that on this chat. It's different on SO Q&A though.
 
I mean, what if someone steals your email password and emails "I'm a little teapot, short and stout" to all your contacts?
 
I mean, on your own.
 
team@stackoverflow.com
 
@JeffAtwood, i like and use both. they both have strengths and weaknesses. but there is definitely a closed-minded feeling for irc from others. great example here. you say they're different and have different goals, but won't back it up. what's the harm in explaining what those different goals are?
 
7:05 AM
heck, once they have your email password, they can request account recovery to every site you go to -- since email is the de-facto skeleton key for all online identity (sadly)
IRC's goal is to be obsolete and die, like newsgroups before it.
 
so much for a serious discussion then, eh?
 
it's a protocol, yes, but the world moves on.
 
@jweyrich I'm not sure what consequences that would have in the timespan that it would take to resolve that issue in the unlikely chance it were to ever occur.
 
@TimStone that's what I'm saying, the "what if you were hit by a meteor" is not really useful
 
Chat here is kind of like Twitter without a delete button
 
7:07 AM
I was just curious if you ever though about it. I'm not criticizing the way it works.
 
when IRC dies, will I dance on its grave? probably. But, I realize some people like it. More power to 'em. That's just not me. Saying otherwise would be dishonest.
I will however, refrain from urinating on IRC's grave. Though I can't in all conscience say I didn't consider it.
 
lmao.
 
I think professionals still use IRC simply because it's the best, simplest thing available right now
 
such a broken system, IRC. It makes the web look like the work of geniuses.
 
I'm a big fan of IRC, but I don't miss it a single day too. I use it as a tool, and that's it.
 
7:09 AM
@JeffAtwood, doubt IRC will die
 
well, newsgroups live on too.. but in zombie eating brains form.
 
If something better were to come around, I don't think many people would hesitate to abandon IRC
 
Hehe, well I use IRC daily, not only as a tool for work. And there's still A LOT of users.
 
I'll just suffice it to say "not a fan" and leave it at that
 
Never really understood why people don't like IRC.
 
7:10 AM
the opers and ops
 
@JeffAtwood web is a patchwork too -- too many browsers, and MSIE to worsen the scenario. Also must say it improved a lot in the last few years.
 
well, people like Blood Sausage too. No accounting for tastes.
 
it is exhausting listening to people drone on and on about how horrible it is, but then when trying to have a serious discussion, it is there's no backup. yeah, there's some duds on irc. same anywhere. but at least i attempt to have serious discussions.
 
7:11 AM
@JeffAtwood, you just pointed on two things I do like a lot, haha.
 
the backup is my meta post. Don't make me link it again!
well, that and every single interaction with IRC I have ever had, has ended in failure and suffering.
maybe I'm "doing it wrong", I dunno.
 
the protocol itself is pretty terrible
http://blog.webicity.info/2010/10/14/a-quick-basic-primer-on-the-irc-protocol/ (has RFC links too)
 
It ain't easy being an internet star!
 
even before that, though.. just getting on IRC to do ANYTHING .. never works. (for me anyway)
 
Main things that bug me on IRC are joining channels where you can't speak because they've enabled "voice moderation" (or whatever it's called), condescending channel ops, and underage network opers trolling for people to kline.
 
7:13 AM
@JeffAtwood, so you let someone get the best of you instead of laughing it off and rolling with the punches? gave 'em what they wanted. shrugs
 
Oh, and netsplits. It's wonderful having half the people in a channel disappear.
 
"Although many specifications on the IRC protocol have been published, there is no official specification, as the protocol remains dynamic. Virtually no clients and very few servers rely strictly on the above RFCs as a reference." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Technical_information (the most authoritative of sources)
 
@JeffAtwood i disagree. programming channels can be hella useful (and have helped me solve things that go unanswered on SO!) and i do help run the asp.net channel on freenode.
 
@dan like I said ... wretched hive of scum and villainy ...
 
@badp yeah, you don't get to zillion friends without making a few enemies - though that suits Skeet better.
 
7:14 AM
@JeffAtwood again, thanks so much.
 
There's still no IRC specification? Maybe that's why they can't keep servers talking to each other 30 years later
 
lol
 
How can people still use html tables as primary design-tool when creating NEW web-sites?! Seriously..
 
@DanGrossman uh, there is. It's the RFC linked to Macha's post.
 
@rchern well, if you choose to live in a bad neighborhood, then pray for gentrification :)
 
@badp Kevin just wrote that virtually no clients or servers rely on those RFCs
 
@JeffAtwood, there are some networks like what you describe. i don't hang out on those.
 
@FilipEkberg If you consider SO to be new, then here's your chance at asking Jeff about it ;)
 
yeah, they're more like guidelines
or, you know, RFC's
:)
 
@YiJiang, Does SO use Tables for design?..
 
7:16 AM
yes, we use tables a bunch of places
 
@DanGrossman Well, every client and server expands on them, but usually what is written to them usually works -- and network-specific parts are authentication and abuse prevention measures
 
I remember running BitchX on Slackware Linux when I was 12 or 13. Installed from a dozen floppies. I was promptly "rooted" by someone in the IRC channel and my hard drive deleted. I cried to my parents about it.
 
@FilipEkberg Tables for Layout, check. Tables for lists, check. Tables for headers, check
 
Single column tables... cringe
 
@JeffAtwood, I'm talking about the "old style" "use table for every for whole site"-way.
 
7:17 AM
oh yeah that's clearly crazy
 
@FilipEkberg Still, single column tables for what is very obviously a list is just bad...
 
@DanGrossman it still happens, not only with IRC clients, but browsers, PDFs, and stuff like that, you know :-)
 
I also think IRC is increasingly the seedy underbelly of the net -- all the "legit" stuff moves on to HTTP
 
I am trying to argue with a 50+ year old developer that wants to do it "the old way".. Impossible to win this war.
 
@FilipEkberg maybe show him how simple the markup could be.. show him CSS Zen Garden
 
7:18 AM
I'd guess that layering all of chat's awesome on top of IRC would produce the most non-compliant IRC server ever, it'd be practically pointless
 
@YiJiang, Using tables for anything other than tabular data is crazy.
 
If the developers for the bleeding edge languages and libraries weren't on IRC (things where documentation is still sparse and communities not yet established) I'd never have a reason to go there
 
@FilipEkberg And I'm not implying otherwise ;)
 
yeah, in a way it's too bad we can't open source this chat to spread it more widely. but the reality is on a microsoft stack being open source would not actually cause it to spread that much.. due to the built-in friction of requiring non-free software
 
for those who love IRC so much, maybe you could be of help on this project - github.com/ghewgill/soirc
 
7:20 AM
not because M$ sucks or anything like that (the dev tools and environment are world class IMO) but because, free software tends to win because it's just everywhere and promiscuous
 
@JeffAtwood, Yeah I'll try that dout it will change his mind, I tried telling the guy that it actually makes SEO work less good when you nest a lot of tables. But without any luck :)
 
@jweyrich I think that's already working
 
@JeffAtwood yep, it is.
but there's a lot that can be improved.
strip actions, and stuff like that.
 
@FilipEkberg You could always blind him and have him use the page with a screenreader..That might be taking it too far though ;)
 
Hah!
 
7:21 AM
@DanGrossman obviously, the community of users is what ultimately matters. If Anders wanted to send the C# 5 spec via carrier pidgeon I'd start reading up on bird tending (pidgeoning?), basically.
 
@TimStone Great idea! (The use a screenreader part, not the blind him bit, that is....)
 
@FilipEkberg you could invoke the SEO magic words and go over his head to authority (this would be rough, but if it's the only way..)
"your way of building the page will cost us pagerank, customers, and money"
 
@JeffAtwood, He's best friends with the founder / president of the company. ;)
 
you are so screwed
 
@JeffAtwood Right, now that we've settled down on IRC, can we talk about your (ab)use of HTML now?
 
7:22 AM
@KevinMontrose I'm still annoyed that I'm pre-booked so can't go to the 2011 summit in Redmond :(
 
@YiJiang I like to go for maximum impact. Although I guess blinding him would make it hard for him to fix his mistakes..
 
More <table>s than I expected on SO, never looked before
 
@DanGrossman SO devs are humans too.
 
hmmm, @KevinMontrose i had an api question the other day and now i can't remember what it was - fail. ):
 
It's not a horrible thing
 
7:24 AM
@DanGrossman sometimes it's just easier and quicker. I don't blame them. If it works fine, good.
 
thank you for allowing /questions/{id}/ links even if the {id} is actually an answer btw
 
When was "Designing With Web Standards"? 2002 or 2003 or so? Zeldman effectively banished tables from my brain, I don't even think to use them except for actual tabular data anymore
I'm still behind the times, I only used one of those "CSS grid system" things for the first time last month
 
@jweyrich Not an excuse. Not when you're in 2010 (or even 2008, when this was first built)
 
@DanGrossman yeah, that's pretty much on the tableless furore. I avoid it too, but tabular data is almost impossible.
 
It's not bad semantics to use a table to represent something tabular, right?
 
7:29 AM
@DanGrossman Definitely not. But SO has some pretty horrible examples of them
 
that's the only feasible solution I guess.
 
<table>
 
I'm not sure how you could redesign the SO comment area without tables however.
considered you need to accomodate scores higher than 999 on whatever font the browser happens to use etc.
 
@badp Shouldn't be that difficult, will take a look at the structure right now
 
@badp using ul/li, it's possible yep.
 
7:31 AM
Do I have to repeat the obvious? Nothing SO does is needs to be done with tables.
 
Ugh, these EFTPS "Your Federal Tax Payment Has Failed" phishing mails almost get me every time.
One of these days I'm gonna slip and click on the link
 
@YiJiang well if you can produce a workaround that is valid in all 5 of the browsers we test on, and doesn't introduce new problems, then fine.. I suggest starting small
 
@JeffAtwood Badge list on the homepage
Single row table replace with ul + li
 
5? chrome, firefox, IE, opera, and?
 
safari
 
7:32 AM
oh, almost forgot that LOL (I use OSX but never use safari :)
 
@JeffAtwood The support level is IE6+ or 7+?
 
hi Mark
 
@YiJiang as I recall that was tough to get the badge to line up right vertically (a serious weakness of divs) but since we sprited the badge icon itself, might be better now
 
I dont know SO has chat rooms...I am surprised...
 
7:33 AM
IE7 really. We want to work on IE6 but we don't really care what it looks like there any more
line-height is a really crap workaround for real vertical centering that tables do, trivially
 
↑ problems I can foresee with fully-CSS comments, freehand drawn.
assigning a fixed width to comment scores and having text flow under the comment area
 
badges on homepage is a good place to start.. any where we can kill off small tables we are using for small things, I am for
 
@MarkEstrada chat.SO is only since Friday
 
ahhh OK.. I just recently earned my reputation and it says that I could join chat rooms now... I am so glad nevertheless...=)
 
@JeffAtwood My main problem with tables on SO is not even the semantics of it, but that given that SO is a site where we come around and talk about best practices and teach each other
 
7:37 AM
I can't believe cake and cupcake decorating really comprise half a dozen reality shows on multiple TV channels right now
 
Why are we in effect advocating for the use of what is really a legacy technique used for things like IE4
 
@YiJiang It's also about getting things done :) see the whole "OMG WHY IS ASKUBUNTU RUNNING ON A M$ STACK" complaints
 
Is it ok to ask HTML/CSS IE6 questions here?
 
pragmatism trumps an awful lot, professionally speaking
 
@MarkEstrada keep questions to SO please
 
7:38 AM
@badp Bad excuse. I can produce the same results faster without tables by hand
 
@bap ok..
 
SO is also a place where you're not supposed to be religious about crap like this
and if you are, maybe you're in the wrong place...
 
@YiJiang dare I say, my "best practice" is sure: ideals are great, but you need to ship; spending 3 times as long to get it architecturally purer-than-pure is not good practice. Customers/users don't care about architecture. They care about "it works; it arrived"
6
 
Please stop telling us to leave :(
 
@YiJiang and make sure it works right on all 30 different SE designs on all supported and unsupported browsers?
 
7:39 AM
eg, "working shipped code trumps all"
 
@YiJiang not everyone has your experience/skills/ability on this specific thing.
 
@JeffAtwood Hey, not being religious, but it's about as bad as sticking in a goto in your C++ code
 
that said I DO welcome suggestions of places where we can replace tables, if you can suggest markup that works in the 5 browsers
@YiJiang sez you; I am not sure many would agree with that analogy
 
goto still has some sensible use-cases. Very rare, but it isn't the evil that people make out. The problem is using it inappropriately.
 
goto 11735
 
7:40 AM
I'm glad they added goto to PHP in 5.3
 
Oh no..
 
@MarcGravell There are weird things on SO that are caused by bad markup, for instance that weird blue question votes thingy in stats view on Firefox
 
They've added goto in PHP?
 
@MarcGravell - I remember when Jarrod tried to check one in. Fun times.
 
7:41 AM
@DanGrossman did you ever read about how Zappos does training? blogs.hbr.org/taylor/2008/05/why_zappos_pays_new_employees.html
 
Ironical that they marked it as "not our bug" when the bug is caused by SO using invalid HTML
 
> "If you quit today, we will pay you for the amount of time you've worked, plus we will offer you a $1,000 bonus." Zappos actually bribes its new employees to quit!
 
Expected result:
----------------
The world will end.

Actual result:
--------------
The world failed to end
 
that's sort of my philosophy as well
 
Fixed it for him
 
@JeffAtwood "Shipping is a feature"
 
@YiJiang on which page? we pass the html 4.01 validator.
 
@JeffAtwood Eh? No way. div in a is not valid HTML on any of the versions
 
(although I haven't checked recently, we do validate against our DOCTYPE occasionally to make sure we haven't backslid too far)
 
Or did they fix this already
 
7:44 AM
okay, bad joke
 
@JeffAtwood The /user/stats tab has a lot of validation errors, all of them I think are caused by
 
Pretty bad ass. Public IRC-server back-end?
 
<a href="..."><div>8</div></a>
 
That's... elementary isn't it, if you need block level anchors just drop a display: block on it
 
7:47 AM
@roosteronacid, you wonder if this is irc?
 
well, like I said, if you have fixes that work in the 5 browsers -- small ones are great -- send them to us. Or, y'know, constantly complain. Whichever works for you. :)
 
hint: go with the latter!
 
sets a hourly reminder to complain about how we don't get to have free reps
 
@roosteronacid This is more like Twitter than IRC. It's database driven, everything you say is logged and permalinked. chat.stackoverflow.com/faq
 
@badp, if this was mIRC you could do /timer 0,10 /say lack of html validation
or something like that.. :)
 
7:49 AM
@rchern /nag!
 
@FilipEkberg instead, people have implemented that via greasemonkey :)
 
@FilipEkberg another point against IRC, :)
 
hehe
 
@TimStone, i think we just found a use for @YiJiang's /delay...
 
had you been in the MSO tavern yesterday you'd have known
 
7:49 AM
Hmmm, I need to find or write an image manipulation library for node.js
 
@rchern HAH! Brilliant. He'll be thrilled. :P
And you doubted him..
shakes head
 
tis true ):
 
Little did we know..
 
Awww forgot to apply some patches before I created linked copies of my dev-machines.. :(
 
in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Oct 14 at 13:54, by Yi Jiang
@LasseVKarlsen "With sufficiently loud whining, your personal opinion becomes indistinguishable becomes community decisions" With apologies to Arthur C. Clarke
@KevinMontrose What, you mean it isn't easy enough to do with jQuery? ;)
 
7:51 AM
in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Oct 14 at 13:51, by radp
A community decision is formed through sufficient amounts of whining on meta.
waaaay before you
an entire three minutes
 
woah.
 
whining with actual implementable ideas, preferably small ones that are easy to implement, is GOOD
 
freaky
 
setInterval(function(){
    $('#input').val('Your HTML does not validate!');
    $('#say-it').click();
}, 5000);
 
@badp That's like ten years on the interwebs
 
7:52 AM
i'm watching tv and they said entire three minutes at the same time @badp did
 
@TimStone I know!
 
it's the general "stuff sucks and that sucks" whining that isn't so useful
 
@badp Eh, weird... I meant to quote your post. Finger must have slipped
 
@YiJiang no problem
 
@rchern ...That is weird.
 
7:53 AM
I wonder how jQuery won out over Prototype & Scriptaculous
in general
 
I was recently put in charge of getting together a Rock Band setup for our NYC offices. This was a mistake.
 
@DanGrossman SO pages have jQuery so jQuery I shall use
 
next, we will jump off a tall building
 
@JeffAtwood You... eh... what? ....
 
@TimStone, i think that we should use vapor.js instead of jQuery in this user script.
4
 
7:55 AM
@JeffAtwood and the people will follow...
 
RB3 isn't out yet, is it?
 
vapor.js is the best library ever.
What's there not to like about it?
 
@rchern Good call, I'm 100% behind that decision
 
@badp It doesn't cure cancer. jQuery can do that
$.cure('cancer');
 
@LasseVKarlsen sadly no. Oct 26th. Not that I'm counting the hours, or anything..
 
7:56 AM
Heavens no
 
@YiJiang You always focus on what isn't there. Be more positive
 
I hope I can afford getting some of the new instruments
 
I have a pre-order backup for my pre-order.. just in case.. (looks around warily)
 
I want to try the keyboard, but I am primarily a guitar and drum guy so far
Is it RB3 that will come with those real instruments? The real guitar for instance? Or is that the GH line of games?
 
I guess it's the tavern so we can be off-topic for a bit (what is even the topic of tavern?)
 
7:58 AM
beer
 
RB3 has pro drums (requires cymbals) pro keyboard (requires keyboard peripheral) and pro guitar (requires either the Fender Mustang or the Squier which is not out until 2011)
keyboard parts can be played non-pro on normal guitars in 5 button mode, if that's your bag, baby
 
hey wait, i wasn't given any beer! what the heck is wrong with this tavern?!
 
all the beer is on IRC
here we have only steely frowns
 
oy.
 
/ragequit beer
 
8:01 AM
 
so, did anyone find all the chat easter eggs yet? each site has special ones.
 
i've seen them just by the nature of pouring over the js for this userscript
 
pedantry: poring, not pouring
 
bleh
excuse: 3:05am.
 
haven't seen any of them
past 4AM here, starting to feel tired
and TV has turned to infomercials only
 
8:05 AM
hehe yeah i'm getting there. oddly motivated with this script
 
Have no fear, TastiWave is here!
 
@JeffAtwood you, Sir., continue to amaze me. This is awesome :)
 
it's all @MarcGravell and @balpha not me
 
then those sir's continue to amaze me :)
 
@JeffAtwood didn't you hear/see, i built chat too! hehehehe
 
8:08 AM
in Chat feedback, yesterday, by Michael Mrozek
 
yes, I saw! congrats :P
 
True facts.
 
lol
 
I am ordering two mechanical spring keyboards
I fell into the vortex of .. overclock.net/computer-peripherals/… and could not escape
 
So where are those eggs..
 
8:11 AM
@TimStone, your navigation stuff is going to have to wait. my alarm is going off in 4 hours
and that's only because i'm setting it for 30 minutes later than normal >_<
nite y'all.
 
goodnight rchern
 
peace out! I forgive you for your IRC transgressions.. this time
 
@DanGrossman Television: effluents of journalism; hoodwink-therapy; mother of iterative; idleness' fuel; preference for tragedy; see agnosia; (badly translated, oh anyway...).
 
@rchern I'm still tweaking anyway, g'night!
 
I just keep the TV on for ambient noise, which is why I don't notice that it's turned to infomercials until an hour after it's happened
 
8:13 AM
 
@TimStone, stackflair.com/SEChatModifications.user.js is updated with my current. really need to get this into github, heh.
now really gone >_>
 
having a 1.6 year old, it is truly disturbing how intense the fixation on video can be
 
I don't even pay for it, I rent a townhouse and the landlord pays for comcast digital cable for the whole property
 
and I am a fan of TV
 
@DanGrossman that's why I prefer music.
 
8:15 AM
though with interest rates and housing prices as they are, I might just buy something when this lease ends
 
@JeffAtwood what are you getting? Cherry?
 
Damn youtube is annoying, all the commericials...
 
Deck Legend and Das Keyboard Silent
just trying a few out
so much stuff is out of stock for these custom-ish keyboards
 
@JeffAtwood nice lyrics :-)
 
@JeffAtwood college has Das Professional, awsome thing
 
8:21 AM
wow chrome crashed RIGHT as I was clicking submit order on a form. That SUCKED
 
ouch
 
@JeffAtwood those long forms? my condolences.
 
Ooh, there are node.js modules for both GD and ImageMagick, I'm happy
 
I'm inclined to say today isn't going to be productive. Better to logout and start getting things done. Good day/night everyone :-)
 
gnarly, this form consistently HARD crashes chrome on clicking submit :P
 
8:25 AM
cya @jweyrich, have a good one
 
time to bust out ye olde IE 8
 
I hate sites like that (that only seem to work in IE) - Bad web design or bug in Chrome I wonder?
 
@PiersMyers browser crashing is like compilers crashing - definitely a bug (or a feature?)
 
@PiersMyers Usually, sites that only work in IE is a sign of bad design
Sites that doesn't indicate a problem with IE
 
I think Chrome crashes more than IE ever has for me, but I never feel it very painfully since a crash just turns the window into a sad puzzle icon, which I can refresh to fix
I had Chrome chain-crashing on me last night while watching Hulu with it over HDMI on a TV
 
8:32 AM
first time I've ever seen this happen in Chrome, probably just some weird anomaly
 
@DanGrossman can't say the same, although I'm suspect, as I generally run the latest developer builds (of chromium) on OSX.
 
this crashed EVERY instance I had of Chrome (10+) .. hard
 
A lot of the crashes tend to involve Flash, so we can just blame Adobe
 
have you tried turning it off and on again? :)
 
repeatable too, but it's part of the checkout process for that keyboard site
 
8:34 AM
@JeffAtwood Hmmm? Tab isolation not working for you? That's odd..
 
@JeffAtwood you will end up with half a dozen keyboards now :)
 
@JeffAtwood that would make #chromium@freenode happy if it's reproducible :)
 
well, go to the Deck keyboards site and try to buy something
repeatable for me, but it's literally the "I entered my credit card info now buy it" step, so I don't know how much fun it will be to test
 
@JeffAtwood aye :-( not easy with my C/C lol.
 
looks like oscommerce
odd for there to be a modern browser bug in an old, common php shopping cart
 
8:38 AM
why do you need a keyboard with LEDs? So you can type in the dark?
 
it's helpful, my laptop keyboard is backlit and I do turn it on at night on the sofa
 
this was procrastinating. Now I'm off.
 
8:50 AM
I suppose 5AM is good a bed time as any
good night
 
peace out!
 
Do you people not work normal hours? Or do you just do so on little to no sleep?
 
well, time zones vary on planet earth in my experience.. they don't call it the "world wide web" for nothing!
 
@JeffAtwood You know, replacing the table of badges and replacing it with a list, then clearing out the CSS styles set for .modules ul has zero effect on the appearance of the list in Firefox.
 
sounds good, if it's clean in the other 4 browsers then it's a go
 
8:53 AM
Yeah, but I've seen at least two people say "it's x AM" before going to bed
 
@badgerr I'm on GMT+8, and it's 5pm in the afternoon
 
Ok, I'll rephrase the question: "Do the people still here from the US/Canada not work normal hours? Or do so on little to no sleep?"
 
@JeffAtwood hey i cant add a question it is showing that we cant accept any questions from this profile.. well how to fix it
any help will be great
 
Posted by Jeff Atwood on October 4th, 2010

As Stack Overflow has grown, it has started to have some decidedly big city problems. The one we are most concerned about is an influx of very low quality questions.

While we still believe in editing and improving low-quality questions to make them better, there’s a fundamental mismatch in scale and effort here — bad questions, asked in bad faith, have a tendency to overwhelm the good intentions of the average Stack Overflow user. So, we’ve decided to take some steps to block bad questions before they enter our system, and save everyone some effort. …

 
i cant add any question from my profile?
well i have asked some weird questions but i guarantee that not to repeat them again
if it can be fixed that will be great
 
9:05 AM
Good morning.
I guess this will keep me busier at work now.
Do I earn reputation by answering? :)
 
@LucaMatteis it will help you look busy without doing any real work :)
 
no reputation can be gained from chat; in rare circumstances it can be lost however
 
We just had a mail from helpdesk saying that they do not have time to help everyone, otherwise they don't have time to do their job
btw, the guy is called "Wally", I wonder if that is a coincidence...
 
@JeffAtwood and what would those rare circumstances be?
 
@PiersMyers Flagging
 
9:10 AM
lots of flags
 
I have to say I haven't seen any flags or any messages that have been flag worthy - which is a good thing I suppose
 
I'll miss the trolling from IRC then :(
 
which IMHO completely proves my earlier point about how IRC is fundamentally busted and we are not -- because of the ties to the reputation system, and the minimum threshold for participation
even in the LONG chat beta, we never ever saw any kind of serious problems needing flags.. so much so that I worried our flagging code was not being sufficiently tested :P
 
but trolling is fun at times
ever been on freenode #c?
 
I don't really want to talk about IRC
 
9:18 AM
@JeffAtwood each time the devs wanted to test flagging they had to explicitly ask for posts to be flagged :)
 
9:58 AM
any final requests for improvements to the chat.stackoverflow.com/faq before I sign off for the night?
 

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