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12:44 AM
@hadley I figured out my testthat issue. One of the packages was importing from a package that had data.table in Depends and did not import from it.
 
 
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10:51 AM
we need one of these for R dropbox.com/s/j9syk7tcqiyqbe0/drawing.pdf
 
 
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12:01 PM
@Spacedman It misses Error 0: Why-oh-why did I write this in Python?
 
12:43 PM
:-P
Because CRAN rejected it because of my use of ::: ?
aand this needs kicking into touch: stackoverflow.com/questions/18464664/…
 
12:59 PM
Interesting question:
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Q: R - Same memory usage of matrix with different size

DJackI was interested with the memory usage of matrix in R when I observed something strange. In a loop, I have made grow up the number of columns of a matrix and calculated, for each step, the object size. x=10 size=matrix(1:x,x,2) for (i in c(1:x)){ m = matrix(1,2, i) size[i,2]=object.size(m) ...

 
@Roland pretty sure that's already been asked and answered here
@Spacedman Need one for my p-value is not significant: Have you tried transforming your data? Have you tried dichotomising your data? Have you tried stepwise regression? Have you tried removing "outliers"?
 
@hadley Well, I don't see the reason for the jumps in the answer to that question.
 
@Roland well, asked at least. I don't remember every detail of a 6 month old answer ;)
@Roland it's probably something to do with the jump from allocation in the small vector pool to the big vector pool
yeah, "Memory for small vectors (by default 128 bytes or less) is obtained in large chunks and then parcelled out by R; memory for larger vectors is obtained directly from the operating system." - 128 + 40 = 168
 
1:23 PM
@hadley Would you add that as an answer, please?
 
1:41 PM
What's the best way to embed images in an answer?
 
Re the long thread on r-devel: The "changes in R-devel''s NEWS file" hints at another CRAN-incoming change. That these do not get communicated via r-devel (or some blog, or ANYTHING really) bothers me quite a bit.
@hadley There is an edit 'hook' for that above the edit box, next to URL and code etc.
@hadley And the hover says CTRL-g which will pro'lly bring up the pop up where you can supply an image url too
 
@DirkEddelbuettel thanks - got it
@DirkEddelbuettel yes, it's very frustrating. CRAN is not at all interested in dialog with the community, except to tell us what we've done wrong (and the goal posts are always moving)
 
@hadley Excellent.
 
@hadley Yes, I am slowly reaching the point where even I (as a staunch defender of all their endless work) am running out of patience. We can gab some more when you're here next month.
Oh, and did you fix the URL from your tweet? The rpubs link was a 404.
Priceless:
Data Science is statistics on a Mac.
Zzzzzzingggg.
 
Implies -> Big Data Science is statistics on a cluster of Macs?
 
2:11 PM
I get the feeling there may be a mem_pool2 package.
 
Now do I show these newbies qplot and then say "well thats just a wrapper round some ggplot + geom_thingy stuff like this..." or not bother? Hmmmm
 
The ggplot2 syntax was a big mystery for me at the beginning, but now I'm quite happy that I've never bothered with qplot. That function only hinders understanding the package.
 
I loved @hadley's unintentional trolling of twitter today with the "fastest way to read a text file in R" challenge that led to a 404 page. :)
 
2:30 PM
@Roland that is a common remark from people who hang out on stackoverflow, but I don't think it is true in general
 
@hadley I am definitely one who says that; perhaps I should be clearer when I do that it is based primarily on my personal experience.
 
2:55 PM
some easy points for someone: stackoverflow.com/questions/18468890/…
 
@DirkEddelbuettel Could you (well one) do something like a Cranberries feed of NEWS that tweeted there were changes? The data in NEWS probably isn't amenable to this though...
@Spacedman Is that your real use-case? Why not set the aesthetic to what you want to plot and change it to the something else later - as I presume you really need the original data elsewhere in that plot object?
 
@GavinSimpson there's already an RSS feed: developer.r-project.org/blosxom.cgi/R-devel/NEWS/index.rss
@joran among other reasons, there's a large class of people for which the additional typing needed by ggplot outweighs the benefits. the next iteration of ggplot2 will be designed to be more autocomplete friendly
 
@hadley Thought as much - I'm not much of an RSS person myself, like the Cranberries twitter feed as I'm more likely to see that. But will add the RSS to feedly to try to keep up! Cheers!
 
3:13 PM
@hadley Yes, Duncan Murdoch built this, using some ideas + codes from CRANberries (including the simply little (old) blog compiler I use)
@hadley IIRC there are even three distinct RSS feeds. The developer.r-project.org top-level page has hints as I recall.
@hadley I left a comment at Tim's solution; we can shave one assignment from his function.
 
3:31 PM
@hadley scale_colour_continuous_manual_gradientn2 hasn't quite reached 80 characters
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I like qplot personally, apart from the I() thing that I often forget
the syntax I dislike most, though quite widely used, is of the type p = ggplot(); p = p + ... and so on, each line reassigning to p with its own little change.
 
3:46 PM
maybe I'll just make the students build graphics that look exactly like ggplot output from base graphics...
 
@Spacedman or matplotlib for extra credit
 
or excel for negative credit
or skip all these vintage graphics and go straight to rCharts and custom javascript/D3 widgets...
its wot da kewl kidz R doing
 
This one is for @JoshuaUlrich: "Please help me out as fast as possible.thanks."
To read Outlook email (as binary blobs) in R: stackoverflow.com/questions/18267436/reading-outlook-mail-in-r
Because some people don't even know how much they don't know.
That would make it "unknown unknowns" in the Rumsfeldian taxonomy.
 
he's trying to read mail messages from Outlook personal mail folder files?
Wow. Its like they implemented a filesystem. msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff386824(v=office.12).aspx
Tempted to tell the poster "The NSA have already text-mined your Outlook mail for you"
 
4:08 PM
Nice answer, +1
 
@Spacedman that's been done -- clearly some people have too much time on their hands
 
@baptiste +1 -- that is awesome
 
@baptiste yeah, I don't like that either. Still tossing up whether to keep that or get rid of it (for the next iteration, not for ggplot2)
@Spacedman that's been done too ;) github.com/jrnold/ggthemes#excel-2003-theme
 
Anyone done an ascii art driver yet?
 
sweet
 
whereby the art would have to be defined in your data
@hadley what everyone in this chatroom wants to know is the name of this next iteration; the rest is unimportant
 
 
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6:40 PM
@baptiste you can find out with a trivial amount of effort ;)
 
 
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9:25 PM
How do you vote to move a question to crossvalidated?
 
@hadley (1) flag it and write a note to the mod, (2) you can also vote to close as off-topic and specify a custom reason, although that doesn't technically initiate any migration procedures, I believe.
 
9:58 PM
@joran thanks. The selection of other stackexchange sites in the off-topic list is bizarre.
 
@hadley It is based on migration statistics for the entire site (StackOverflow), and the powers that be refuse to increase the list beyond five or so.
A lot of things get migrated from here to meta/SU/tex/dba. Sharepoint seems weird to me, but whatever.
 
10:20 PM
Let's not forget that the owners of SE are heavily involved in all things C# and whatnot, so not too surprised sharepoint comes up.
Some people apparently try to use these things <shakes head>
 
11:04 PM
@hadley not so trivial. Looking forward to playing with interactive graphics, not constrained by the R engine and grid's own limitations. d3 and its offsprings is clearly the way to go for improvements in graphics. Yet many of these projects could in turn learn a lot from the R graphics experience, mistakes and all.
 

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