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@Darkrifts ThingFactory.CreateThing() instead of new Thing()
 
 
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3:24 AM
wow this is a new one: i.imgsafe.org/d134776c7f.jpg
 
3:53 AM
whats the easiest computer job out there right now . maybe to just bring in a low income ?
 
 
 
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5:06 AM
@june1992 probably freelancer.com or upwork.com
 
good programming morning
 
morning
 
Hey
 
5:56 AM
posted on August 24, 2016 by Scott Hanselman

  I was really stressed out ten years ago. I felt that familar pressure between my eyes and felt like all the things that remained undone were pressing on me. I called it "psychic weight." I have since then collected my Productivity Tips and written extensively on the topic of productivity and getting things done. I'm going to continue to remind YOU that Self-Care Matters in between my t

 
6:16 AM
 
user6438653
@QuietNaN lol.
 
user6438653
Morning people.
 
user6438653
Or afternoon.
 
ADH
It's 2:21 AM
 
user6438653
Where dafuc do you live that it's that time?
 
6:21 AM
US
east coast
 
ADH
WIth this global economy we need a more general greeting
 
user6438653
Wow, it's 6:22pm
 
We have the general greeting of "Morning"
 
we have "yo"
 
8:22am here
 
ADH
6:22 AM
Your clock is wrong
 
user6438653
@JakobMillah yep. Morning is good.
 
ADH
It's 3:22 am
Uh 2:22 am
Sorry, it's too dark to see my keyboard
 
why does you picture change :O
mistakes happen when typing
 
user6438653
@Proxy It's a weird bug with default user pics. I've seen it happen a few times now.
 
ADH
@shad0wk So my job doesn't get off shored to you?
Hey, you removed your comment
New Zealnd
Zealand
 
user6438653
6:25 AM
yep
 
ADH
Some famous actor is from there
Played Gladiator
 
user6438653
yes there are a couple.
 
ADH
Russell Crowe
You keep removing comments
 
user6438653
yes he's from here, but we consider him an auzzi.
 
ADH
Never second guess yourself
Be confident
 
6:27 AM
https://open.spotify.com/user/1153819123/playlist/54mBXmJQKTCY2fbHVZsSg7
spotify:user:1153819123:playlist:54mBXmJQKTCY2fbHVZsSg7

Add music
 
ADH
Thanks for the link
 
user6438653
Speaking of the vid ^, Her song cool for the summer, is about lesbians.
 
ADH
Nice
One of the trainers at my gym plays that song for a group training class
 
Hello everyone
does anyone know how to create a week/day views calendar on xamarin?
 
user6438653
@Aisac no sorry.
 
user6438653
6:38 AM
@ADH I'm a trainer.
 
you guys got any recommendations on jumping on some C# projects? I keep running into people who could use a hand but they always want me to learn a new stack. Not ready for that yet
Seems its a little tougher to find C# "community" than it is for JS/Ruby.. But I prefer .NET/ASP.NET to those
 
user6438653
@TeeSee What type of C# projects?
 
ADH
Web Sites? WIndows Forms?
 
6:50 AM
preferably ASP.NET MVC or WinForms
 
ADH
Tough to find?
How hard did you look?
Type "asp.net mvc" into google.
Use the getting started stuff
 
user6438653
 
ADH
 
Well, not that I can't find stuff on the list, it's more that I want to work with someone else who is passionate about a project and we kinda go back and forth on it each week, adding more and more. Everything I see out there seems like its tough to get onto the community side where I can get with someone and really get work done
At this point, I have a lot of time to spend and it would be cool to find someone else in this boat where we could knock something out together
 
ADH
I guess we C# folks are self starters
 
user6438653
6:53 AM
So you want to help someone make something, while learning it?
 
user6438653
@ADH Agreed.
 
The thing is, I have personal projects, but theyre ginormous
The thing Im working on is going to take at least a year for me to do solo
that gets kinda... lonely?? I guess lol
 
ADH
Yeah, I only code for money.
 
Well, what did you do before you did it for money?
 
ADH
I went to college
Got a bachelors degree
Pre-Veterinary Medicine
 
user6438653
6:56 AM
I don't have any degerees. Nor do I do anything for money.
 
sounds like me. I was doing completely different things
 
Wrote hrms for free for my company, cuz we had salary accrual in middle of month, when i launched hrms with absence and payroll, salary accrual moved to 01 of month ^^
i was just sys admin
:))
 
ADH
lol
 
they liked it and made me developer, i was 1 developer in company :)) and my code was terrible
Fat mvc controllers :)))
 
awesome
@ADH does community actually have Community-related features?
 
ADH
6:59 AM
I don't know
Stack Overflow is the community in my mind
 
looking at my old projects
 
ADH
This is where you will find answers
 
:))
 
Well, SO is fantastic for the actual programming part.. Im more struggling getting into an active project.
 
ADH
My advice, for what it is worth, is to work through a bunch of the tutorials on your own. Read this book...
Pro ASP.NET MVC 5: Edition 5
 
user6438653
7:01 AM
@ADH Books... Google is better than books.
 
ADH
And get a job
That's a good book
Sounds like Tee See could have benefited from it
 
user6438653
And MSDN is better than both.
 
Thanks. Well, thats the thing... I figured if I hadnt worked on projects (which I am having a tough time getting on), I couldnt get a job
 
Well, when i started my first project, i creadet MVC with auth, and first what i googled was, how to add page into mvc
 
ADH
I mean QuietNaN
What's your resume look like?
 
7:03 AM
you asking me something?
 
@ADH No coding
Other experience/education
 
ADH
Degrees?
 
In a totally unrelated field
 
ADH
Ideally you should have a degree in Math
What field? What school?
 
Cal State, Criminology.
lol
 
7:05 AM
lol
 
aint gonna do me any favors coding trust me
But, I coded when I was 11 and 12
Its not new to me
 
user6438653
Criminology, what dafuc do you need that.
 
ADH
Is that a four year degree?
 
My brother has diploma in Business, is php/c# developer
:D
 
ADH
A college degree will always help.
No matter what
It shows a lot of things
 
user6438653
7:07 AM
@ADH I hope I get one.
 
y but in my country, none of universities teaches programming
max they teach html
 
ADH
Math
 
and css
 
ADH
Learn Math
 
I like math
 
ADH
7:07 AM
Teach yourself to program online, but study math
Get a BA in Mathematics
 
user6438653
Math?=Programming. ?= is kinda equals.
 
ADH
Oh yes
 
am i won't agree with that
 
ADH
Programming and Math go hand and hand
 
Ive heard programming is based in concrete math and lambda calculus
 
user6438653
7:08 AM
@ADH Not always.
 
ADH
It's all zeros and ones
 
user6438653
Yeah, but a language that you use aint numbers.
 
ADH
Other than math, you have to deal with User Experience
 
Yeah.. except that I suck at math and am pretty decent at programming.
 
user6438653
zeros and ones, bytewise math-ish.
 
user6438653
7:10 AM
@RoelvanUden Me too!
 
Bitwise? That can't even be called math. That's elementary knowledge.
 
ADH
I can tell you that from my experience, the best candidates had very good math skills.
Roel you are probably better than you think.
 
At math? Nope.
 
user6438653
5 + 5 = 9. lol.
 
ADH
ok
 
7:11 AM
it depends what you plan on doing
 
ADH
I agree
 
@shad0wk lol
 
if you want to invent some new algorithm or work in some science field you require math knowledge
 
ADH
For myself, if I could go back to college, I would have taken math classes.
But, my major saved my life.
 
if you want to be in general programming then no
 
user6438653
7:12 AM
The school of scientology says that 5 + 5 = whatever you want.
 
user6438653
@Proxy exactly.
 
morn all
 
I wouldn't. I mean, I never need it. Math is really only essential when you're working in a scientific field (Read: You're a PHD) or working on writing your own 3D engine (vectors and all that, but even then, you can just look up the formulas)
 
ADH
Oh sure
 
user6438653
@Ggalla1779 Mornin.
 
ADH
7:14 AM
The math that you learn is pretty much worthless
That's not the point
 
.. What is your point then?
 
!!wat
 
ADH
The point is that you learn how to see and understand things that you cannot see
 
user6438653
1 + 1 is not useless but sin(500) is kinda pointless.
 
7:15 AM
So basically you turn into a wizard
 
I used trig all the time when woodworking
 
ADH
The point is that you learn how to struggle with complex problems for days and weeks
 
@ADH Yeah, just like you would if you practice programming. Or play strategy games. Or are a die-hard MMO player. Or you play team-based sports. You know, any of the above. Math isn't unique in that.
 
ADH
Those are my initials
Uh huh
 
user6438653
cos and sin are pointless in real life.
 
7:16 AM
I hope the 'D' stands for 'Danger'
 
user6438653
algebra is kinda pointless as well.
 
ADH
And then, you put the math degree on your resume.
Boom
Job
 
@shad0wk I just gave an example where trig is genuinely useful
 
No math is pointless, it's just not relevant to know for most of us on a day-to-day basis, but I'm sure you're using a tool everyday that uses them.
@ADH I can land a job offer just fine w/o putting math there.
 
user6438653
@Squiggle I didn't say trig was pointless.
 
7:16 AM
What D, and how can you be sure its not short for heimerDinger
 
user6438653
@Squiggle ADH + D.
 
@shad0wk you gave him the D?
 
user6438653
ADHD
 
ADH
I'm not a gamer
 
!!whoosh
 
!!wat
 
user6438653
@ADH not all gamers have ADHD.
 
ADH
Me too, my degree is in science
 
Some top lvl dank memes going on this morning.
 
user6438653
7:18 AM
ADH = A Degree in Housing.
 
ADH
That was in response to the heimer thing
Maybe I need a new screenname
 
its fine imo.
 
ADH= Ai Do Html?
 
@ADH your name has as many syllables as letters.
 
ADH
Any way, what happened to the guy I was talking to?
 
user6438653
7:21 AM
@ADH he vanished into thin air.
 
ADH
Like his career in C#?
 
user6438653
Ohhh burn!!!
 
ADH
Programming is not for everyone.
 
user6438653
Yep
 
user6438653
C# peoples learn themselves.
 
7:23 AM
Sounds like i missed a read Scrolls up
 
C4u
Good morning everyone :)
 
ADH
Good morning
 
Good morning
 
user6438653
@C4u what is *?
 
C4u
*?
 
7:25 AM
Hello
It's me
 
user6438653
On your page is says Leading Programmer at *.
 
Everything
 
C4u
Well arnt you a coder?
 
user6438653
@C4u no, that's why I'm here. lol.
 
Still play darkfall @JakobMillah?
 
C4u
7:26 AM
Yeah confusing. But I'll tell you: * is very often used as a wildcard-character.
 
user6438653
It's just you can't be the leading programmer everywhere.
 
C4u
Oh I see. It's not like you dont know. You are a smart aleck!
I cant tell.
 
user6438653
Are you the leading progarmmer at Wildcard? lol.
 
C4u
A wildcard isnt resolving in the name "wildcard".
 
user6438653
@C4u Did you just call me an AUSTRALIAN?
 
C4u
7:28 AM
Mathematically where you dont know the answer, it could be everything.
So the wildcard isnt that much wrong.
 
user6438653
* = anything, I was just guessing.
 
user6438653
aleck is AUSTRALIAN.
 
C4u
Ah yeah I see. You arnt working arnt you?
 
@Froxer Havn't checked out New Dawn & Rise of Agon yet. But keeping my eye on them on a daily basis
Darkfall Unholy Wars shut down a month ago or so :o
 
user6438653
We New Zealanders don't like being called Auzzis.
 
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7:29 AM
@C4u no.
 
C4u
@All: The german federal intelligence is looking for employees. For the application you need to solve a reverse engineering quiz with 4 levels :D. For german speakers:
http://www.bnd.bund.de/DE/Karriere/Reversing_Challenge/Reversing_Challenge_node.html;jsessionid=43ADFE3054C81EC6D794A82330CFA791.2_cid377
 
shad0w and ADH I refuse to believe that coders have to work all secluded lol
As with every job and career, networking and teamwork are important
 
user6438653
@TeeSee your back!
 
Yes
 
user6438653
@TeeSee I don't have a job.
 
7:31 AM
you code for fun or you want a job?
 
Of course developers don't work secluded, that'd be awful for everyone involved
 
user6438653
I code for fun, all day.
 
@RoelvanUden that was a reply to shadow and ADH who seemed to be hinting that all I needed to do was read a book and apply for a job
 
ADH
Not hinting.
 
You're not a software developer after reading one book.
 
7:32 AM
Im no expert, but I know enough to know I need to get on some projects and build a portfolio
 
ADH
Saying flat out
 
plus, I just want to
 
user6438653
@RoelvanUden why read a book when there's google, stackoverflow, and msdn?
 
C4u
Because you'll have a lack of knowledge then.
 
@TeeSee You're absolutely right. Everyone can read a book. What is important is to grow your ability to think logically and organize your code and thoughts. And you do that through actively building something.
 
ADH
7:33 AM
Good luck Tee See. ttyl.
 
@shad0wk Books are better organized and give a much gentler introduction to software development than random online resources (unless those resources are designed around the same intention)
 
Cya!
Thanks
 
C4u
@shad0wk You'll just search for things you know or things you can imagine they could be there. So you'll never get into very abstract things because you'll never get the idea to even search for them.
 
user6438653
@TeeSee bye.
 
long reads <3
 
7:34 AM
@shad0wk not leaving
 
user6438653
you said Cya!.
 
That was to ADH
 
C4u
xD
 
user6438653
ohh.
 
Yeah books are great.
But just a foundation
 
7:35 AM
TFW your coffee cup is empty and you're not done drinking it yet
 
Good day everyone :)
 
C4u
@TeeSee An important one.
 
@RoelvanUden Which is exactly why Im doing everything I can to find the right .NET/ASP.NET MVC project
 
user6438653
@RoelvanUden @C4u I'm better with unsorted things.
 
@TeeSee what are you looking for? :)
 
7:36 AM
how's everybody :D
 
@C4u Ive read Head First C#, I reference C# in a nutshell, and I also am reading C# In Depth and Code Complete when I can. I like books becauyse they are not distracting too
@Squiggle Ideally, I want to work on an ASP.NET MVC project
 
user6438653
Hi @mark.
 
@TeeSee you basically described my bookshelf just there
@mark we're argumentative and pedantic. How are you?
 
C4u
Well without the right foundation, you could just end up coding procedual for some time. That would be wasted time.
 
@Squiggle awesome! Yeah I really like that Code Complete book
 
7:38 AM
@Squiggle Oh really? :D well, I don't know if that's cool or what. haha :D
@shad0wk hello man. :)
 
user6438653
@mark yeah it has been quite argumentative lately.
 
@shad0wk no it hasn't
 
By the way guys, last saturday I spoke at one seminar at Microsoft Philippines. :D I let the java down. haha
 
@Squiggle In fact, I think im gonna get off soon and go read it. But really, I feel getting on projects is most important right now. I just subbed to a couple on CodeTriage. Also, I love forum software so Im hoping maybe I can con
tribute to MVCForums
 
user6438653
@Squiggle ^*300
 
7:39 AM
I brainwashed the students and professionals who listened to me. :D haha C# is love
 
@mark awesome
 
user6438653
@mark whaaat? you brainwashed people.
 
I'm proud we are one heart in C# :)
 
@TeeSee good good! :)
 
I spoke about Xamarin.
 
7:40 AM
I do love C#. Its by far my fav language.
 
Well, xamarin.android offers android development all in C#
that's why, I encouraged them to write in C# not in java.
 
C4u
C# == C#. But yesterday I've got a lot of effort going for C++.
 
I'm just sitting here writing Java and Swift.
 
user6438653
C# == C++ but better.
 
I respect C++.
 
7:41 AM
Haha @RoelvanUden no way.
 
user6438653
C++ == C# that's not so easy.
 
@mark Unfortunate but true.
 
Funny thing is, I've actually met guys who have told me JavaScript > C++, not knowing that Node.js is in fact a C++ application.
lol
 
By the way, you guys are behind my learning in C# :) @RoelvanUden man. thanks for your advised last year. :)
 
C4u
I tried this reverse engineering chellange and I faild on the last level because of the need using ollydbg with an native app.
I've no idea whats going on there.
...makes me sad.
 
7:42 AM
@mark +1 no problem dude :3
 
I don't know if you still remember that time. but man, you made an impact to me. haha @RoelvanUden you're awesome man! :D
 
I don't remember specifically what we talked about, but I do remember you :)
 
+1 @RoelvanUden youre very helpful
 
@RoelvanUden oh really? haha when would you migrate to Xamarin? hehe
 
Never! Hahahaha :D
 
7:43 AM
Hahaha
@Squiggle @RoelvanUden etc are my mentors and experts here. :D
These guys are awesome!
 
Yeah I agree.
 
Author talks about Ienumerator while it's IEnumerable
top answer answers about the ienumerable, and someone changed title
But a high rep user changed it back to IEnumerator
 
I think it's better to use IEnumerable.
 
w00t - got my Cordova/Angular/Typescript build-and-publish down from 10 minutes to 4.
 
I just read a while ago.
 
7:46 AM
yeh I think so too, I came out on it through google and it's confusing
 
@Squiggle that's cool :D Congrats!
@AlexanderDerck hehe me too, I just wonder a while ago that's why I googled it too. Haha But If I'm not mistaken, the best approach is IEnumerable.
It's my opinion man :)
and we use it in viewmodels :)
 
Rolled it back
 
hmm
How much time spent on Pluralsight is normal for a junior at a workplace?
 
@Froxer lol
 
I have not got any direct tasks yet, so i am trying to socialize with developers / my mentor / plow through material at C# that my mentor recommended.
I just.. im not sure what is "normal" :P
 
7:50 AM
@Froxer That sounds like a great job
 
@RoelvanUden Traitor.
:)
 
@Froxer curious... What kinds of stuff are you studying on Pluralsight and what type of things does your mentor want you to focus on?
 
user6438653
@scheien @RoelvanUden has been trying to convert us to Java! lol.
 
@Froxer i got thrown in the fire right away
 
Right now I am going through C# 6 from scratch
Refreshing things
 
7:52 AM
@Froxer You should get C# In Depth by Skeet (lol) if you dont already have it. Very helpful
What type of work you going to be doing? Desktop or web?
 
then after that i will dive into Linq fundementals, wcf, fundementals, Clean code: Writing code for humans
 
Nah, I wouldn't recommend Java to anyone. I'm just sharing my torture.
 
user6438653
Weird thing, I have C# 5 compiler, that I use all the time, but it can compile C# syntaxs 6??
 
I have a position as a junior back end dev @TeeSee
its my first real job after pro uni
 
user6438653
@RoelvanUden Well that's good. Then why use Java?
 
7:53 AM
2 years app dev in .net program
 
@shad0wk Because Android.
 
@Froxer gotcha. Awesome, congrats! So youre going to be using MVC, Entity Framework, LINQ, SQL Server I assume.
 
Yes
my first task will be to get logic from procedures to Entity Framework afaik
 
user6438653
@RoelvanUden Can't you use Xamarin for that?
 
@shad0wk We've got a Cordova app, so, no.
 
7:54 AM
@Froxer Ohhh cool! I love those technologies. I only wish they were more widespread online. Seems like everything I find online is using MEAN stack and Ruby and crap
 
user6438653
@RoelvanUden shucks.
 
@TeeSee MEAN isn't very good. The problem there is the 'M'
 
Yeah I heard, I dont lke the M lo
lol
 
FYI: Azure's DocumentDB is good.
 
@Roel A guy wants me to do front-end dev for his web app and wants me to install M. I dont even want to
I heard M sometimes spontaneously loses data lol
 
C4u
7:56 AM
This unexpectedly has taken the mystic about the exception stackoverflow for me:
In computer science, a call stack is a stack data structure that stores information about the active subroutines of a computer program. This kind of stack is also known as an execution stack, control stack, run-time stack, or machine stack, and is often shortened to just "the stack". Although maintenance of the call stack is important for the proper functioning of most software, the details are normally hidden and automatic in high-level programming languages. Many computer instruction sets provide special instructions for manipulating stacks. A call stack is used for several related purposes,...
 
i have never used it, thanks for the headsup
 
nah MongoDB doesn't spontaneously lose data. That mostly was a criticism when using a previous version at vast scale.
 
C4u
I mean, I knew what it's about in general... but not in detail.
 
but you do still have to be careful because of the lack of multi-document transactions
 
if you ever heard about angularJS, rise your hand
 
7:58 AM
raises hand
 
@Mathematics 3 years experience and counting
 
@C4u yeah I watched a lecture on that before. Cool stuff
@Squiggle Its more that Im too new to be trying to learn every god dang technology out there. Its like OK, I learned ASP.NET/MS techs and I want to use them before trying to go learn MongoDB and crap
But it doesnt help Ive heard bad things about Mongo too. Sure it can work, but just not my cup of tea right now.. Except I do like the JSON format
 
C4u
@TeeSee Not like C# coders would be in the need of knowing that hah.
 
user6438653
Anyone here use windows? Does anyone want to help contribute to this project? github.com/shad0wk/winmod
 

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