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12:24 AM
What is the value of "Default" in MVC in the RoutingCollection mapRoute method mean. I get the controller action id part but not that "Default" . What does that mean?
What does that first parameter mean
 
1:01 AM
it's just a name
that you can refer to it later with
 
Where
 
!!google where to use route names mvc
 
first one
@june1992
 
1:18 AM
So the first parameter is just a name of the route
k I think I got it
 
awesome :)
 
Am I crazy to have written a whole app for people at work during the weekend ?
 
1:36 AM
makes you look good, for sure
but
why would you want to spend YOUR time making OTHER people money? I'd prefer to keep a good work-life balance
 
yeah I know
I have to work on that
 
lol if that is your weakness, that you work too hard, thats not a bad thing, by any means
 
It's an app that I have written last month but ppl haven't worked on it until last friday afternoon, then they called me with a bunch of questions, which made me realize my app wasn't "simple enough" for them to use so I coded a whole new app from scratch during the weekend .... just not to be bothered this week lol
I hate dealing with people so much, especially in person, these people just cannot write mails or support tickets
The phone is the only technology they know
Sad thing is they're my age (35)
They just won't use the corporate IM, neither e-mails
They call me and they always call me on speaker-phone because they haven't heard about headsets yet
 
wow really?
that would be SO annoying
to have to call somebody everytime you had a question
 
this is how it works at my workplace :(
i usually doesn't answer the phone until they decide to mail me or IM me
 
1:49 AM
lol
 
but sometimes they just come in person
which is worse lol
 
lol i'd rather come in person rather than use the phone
 
phone / in person is hell :P the irony is that it's better to describe the problem in an e-mail, you can provide screenshots, you can paste error messages, and you have a written trace of what's been discussed
 
yeah i guess it depends what the discussion is about
 
its often quick questions that could be answered easily in an e-mail
 
1:52 AM
i could totally see email being better than in person in a lot of situations, but sometimes in person is def. needed, especially when white boarding
 
yeah thats ture
true*
 
or... idk, getting stakeholder info? it goes a lot smoother if you do it in person and just take notes
 
another thing is we never have meetings
I can't really complain because I hate meetings but sometimes its really needed
gotta go wash the cat's ass with girlfriend ! :P (yeah she's obese and cannot wash her ass anymore) ... the real class
laters :)
(I was talking about the cat ... not my gf) :P
hahaha
 
 
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2:58 AM
lol
 
Is their such thing as s slow programmer that doesn't code freely because he don't understand things that much and can't explain things right
Probably not because if you haven't learned something by now.. You never will .. I am starting to believe . I just find myself going back and forth to languages from frameworks and so on. I should just quit . My family don't believe I can do this and should just quit ... and do something else
*quit learning
 
your family should go eat a bag of dicks, what a terrible thing to tell you. if you enjoy programming, go for it, if you try hard enough, you can achieve anything and be good at anything (maybe not the best)
believe in yourself, prove them wrong.
 
all I do is sit in front of a computer all day not doing anything.. not defending but that's what they say .
 
are your getting better?
 
3:14 AM
I really don't know. Honestly
Its just I really like doing this and I would want to learn but I ain't cut out for this .. meaning i'm dumb. but still kinda smart because I got this far . even though far isn' t far enough
I'll just keep it as a hobby and get a regular job
as egotistical that may sound
a hobby that I can' t do or anything with
 
 
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5:39 AM
@june1992 you should do whatever the fuck you want to and remove people from your life that are holding you back
 
aww yeah monday
I even survived my bachelor's party, fuck yeah
 
now you only have to survive the wife
 
hi guys :D
 
my family . I can't even talk about a computer without getting ignored in a really weird way because I don't know what i'm talking about.. How will i prove them wrong ... idk...
that's freakin awsome!
 
@StevenLiekens That's for this friday. Whoo holidays!
@StevenLiekens Hopefully I won't turn out like this dude
 
5:48 AM
tldr
 
idk what that means but it sounds funny
hat
 
@StevenLiekens title only
 
tldr => too long didnt read
@june1992 do you have an affinity for mathamatics?
 
yeah i like math
 
@june1992 then the tutorials you were doing aint that good, because everyone who likes math can learn how to program ;)
 
5:53 AM
i said i like math i never said i was good
the whole learning part for me is getting old i guess.. idk time is running out for me.....
 
dont say that, i assume youre not 60 ;)
 
might as well be 23 . no job . just a hs education and no credentials . whatever that means.. no life .. lost all my friends because i locked myself in a room for 3 or 4 years....
 
hs is good enough ;)
 
Yeah
 
so whats the current barrier you need to overcome to improve your programming skills?
 
6:00 AM
i just wanna be good enough to prove my family wrong. or just quit now at everything
 
@june1992 buddy of mine worked in a factory before he started programming. Is still doing programming now, 7 years later :)
Another buddy started as a technician and took an after-hours class for programming. Is now programming 2.5 years here and on his way to senior or architect.
 
understanding everything . I say classes when i refere to a object when in reality a class is a type of object or what ever. i can't explain things right. I guess and test and the same time half a quarter of the time. I can write code just not good and without stopping yea right i have to think before i write . so yeah im f'd
 
@june1992 Not being able to explain things comes from not having a perfect understanding.
And it's good that you have to stop and think before you write. That puts you in the better half of programmers ;)
 
exactly thats what i'm saying . I can't understand stuff so i can't do certain things
like web development because web is so complicated for me because i can't read and comprehend at the same time.
I think reading and comprehending IS the key but i just can't understand a lot... I can read and follow but not so much understand what things do and how it works. But i can still program i guess.
*is the key.. for me
 
@june1992 Read slower then, until you understand it. Read multiple sources if you can :)
Programming isn't magic, even though it sometimes seems like it.
 
6:10 AM
Programming is the coolest thing in the world
 
Drinking coffee is. I wouldn't want to program if there wasn't any coffee left.
 
lol
How can I post a img on here ?
 
Hey guys can anyone help me about C# windows code
 
I don't have that
 
6:24 AM
Perhaps it's rep bound? I have no clue
 
I need some opinions on this dumb desktop app I made..
 
You can always upload it to imgur manually and post the url here
@june1992 Here's a tip. Don't call it dumb. Call it simple if it doesn't do much :)
 
Well it doesn't make sense now but it was supposed to keep track of house costs made during each day or week or whatever month.. but now it look weird and it isn't finished . but here it is. And yeah I think it is simple stuff
It has a local database in it though
 
It's a start man, don't get discouraged!
 
Alright
But yeah . Hopefully I can make better ones
 
6:33 AM
Sure you can. I'm making something similar :) It's to keep track of houses and appartments, who's renting or buying, and stuff like that.
 
I bet it looks it dope though
 
My program looks like shite :D
 
how
 
nice
Seems like a lot of programming involved ?
 
6:39 AM
Thanks. I'm not completely happy with how it looks, and completely unhappy with the code
The UI is pretty straightforward
 
What kind of app would that be ?
 
This is C# and WPF :)
@june1992 If you got any specific questions or so, don't be afraid to ask. If I have time, I'll show some code and explain stuff.
Otherwise other people here know a lot too.
 
and yeah of course with explaining and stuff
 
6:57 AM
we are a bunch of goodguys today :D
 
@SebastianL Only today though
 
heck yeah
 
7:14 AM
Mornin'
 
7:26 AM
can I move a wcf service proxy from one project to another if the service is not currently reachable from my machine?
so I can't update references or anything like that
 
hows your proxy implemented?
 
no idea
can't even cut/paste
 
o.O
 
it's all generated code you know
 
you just want the exact same proxy in another project? couldnt you just generate it for the second project?
 
7:32 AM
no because it uses wsdl to generate the code
and the wdl is not online
as in the service is not running
I want to move the proxy to another project
 
can you access the generated code?
 
then why not create your clientproxy in your second project from the generated code?
 
but that's not really the important bit
I'm trying to understand what visual studio does to generate the code
I think this is the important bit
    <None Include="Service References\ServiceReference\Reference.svcmap">
      <Generator>WCF Proxy Generator</Generator>
      <LastGenOutput>Reference.cs</LastGenOutput>
    </None>
in ProjectName.csproj
 
yes, thats the generated class from wsdl.exe
 
7:38 AM
so I have to move the reference.svcmap file and then hand-edit the csproj file to include that section
 
that could actually work, but handediting the csproj is never a good idea ^^
 
it is
visual studio fucks up my project files a lot
 
How, i've been working on really large projects with VS and i had to edit csproj-files only two or three times in the last two years ^^
 
well it doesn't break them
 
the cause were conflicts
 
7:41 AM
but it changes settings that I don't want to change
 
what settigns?
 
like hintpaths for package references
 
never occured to me
 
do they even matter?
 
they do depending on how bad your file layout is
ours is pretty bad
ffs :( it's not working
 
7:56 AM
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1882038/hintpath-vs-referencepath-in-visual-studio
You seen that I suppose? :) might help
 
@june1992 i just saw your application and its not bad, you seem to be on a good way ;) to improve the appereance there is a really simple trick: pick a color scheme and stick to the colors in this scheme (for example from this site ;) coolors.co/browser)
 
@june1992 also, if you want to improve an already working part of your code, post it to codereview.stackexchange.com :)
 
@StevenLiekens: Shouldn't be any problem copying the generated code.
(and the corresponding config ofc)
 
@RoelvanUden now i know how you feel, getting an exception nobody else has :/
 
ideally I don't want to copy the generated code
only the metadata
and then let visual studio regenerate the code
it works now
 
i need a C# code which use AES encryption/decryption algorithm, and also python code which do the same. Both codes should be cross compatible, i.e, if i encrypt in python, c# code should decrypt it accurately and vice verse.
 
@SebastianL Oh?
@MuhammadSohail Why would that be hard? Google.
 
i googled it,
could not find help.
 
Oh fuck's sake. I have breathed a small amount of bacon. This is painful.
Maybe I shouldn't admit to being unable to eat a sandwich without injuring myself in a public forum
Oh well, it's done now.
 
8:54 AM
@RoelvanUden i messed too much with the winforms controls and i think i discovered a bug where a functionpointer is calculated wrong (.net corefx unsafe methods ...)
@MuhammadSohail you did not, otherwise you wouldve found a pretty popular solution ...
 
9:10 AM
@TomW looks like a pretty cheap videogame to me :D
 
Yeah I do wonder about that. Military tech renders are often really, really poor. You'd think if they're selling something so expensive they could put a bit more effort into the marketing
 
@TomW The money they save on marketing, they spend on buying politicians
 
they can't make it look too realistic, because then the folks commissioning it would think that they've already build the damned thing. Think of it like paper prototyping or wireframes when mocking up UIs.
see also: Architecture promotional material (fugly)
 
@BenjaminDiele That looks great
 
9:21 AM
What is 'material design'? I would not associate those words with what's on that website
 
@TomW sorry I missed your messages on oil prices, I was busy getting gallbladder removed
 
@BenjaminDiele ooh I do like me some material design
 
@JGrindal hey no problem, I gambled and lost anyway :)
Hope you're feeling well as could be expected
 
@TomW it's the new hype of design. yay fashion
 
@TomW As a general rule, if you can get any oil in the 37 handle, bet the farm on it.
 
9:22 AM
@TomW google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html it's a design ethos that uses flat layers to indicate context, and avoids a lot of crappy skeumorphism.
and is great for responsive design
 
Meh, UI is for hipsters. I have real work to do
XD
 
I like material design too.
but with actual materials.
you know metals, polymers, alloying elements, etc.
 
@TomW That's my general feeling too. But it does feel nice when you make something that doesn't look like this: blog.codinghorror.com/…
 
@BenjaminDiele yep, I recognise that school of design for sure
I used to refer to my colleague's UIs as 'space shuttle [name of current project]'
 
So I'm torn.
I've been asked to consult on the new Panama Canal's failing lock concrete
on one hand, I'm honored to be asked to be part of such a major piece of engineering, which has global effects
on the other hand, its really hot in Panama, and I don't actually give a rats ass.
 
9:34 AM
Are you a notable world expert in marine concrete?
I'm inclined to say I'd assume you actually are :)
 
@TomW No, I'm a notable world expert in catastrophic failure recovery and remediation.
well, maybe not notable.
but thats what I do for a living.
 
notable to people interested in such things, I suppose
Boy, do I have some catastrophic failures for you
 
My business cards read: "If you see me, its the worst day of your career"
 
haha
the term 'epic fail' is overused
But that job sounds like the real deal
 
It has its moments. Ultimately, I'm a glorified debugger.
But sometimes those bugs involve fires.
 
9:39 AM
You ever have to report that the root cause is negligence on the part of the person paying you?
Because I can envisage that being awkward.
 
Yup.
 
Sounds like... fun?
I guess some folks would get a kick out of being paid to tell people precisely how badly they fucked up.
 
I had a case 2 years ago where I got hired to forensically investigate an explosion of a vessel where maintenance was supposed to be being performed every 6 months.
 
"So I will be recommending that you be prosecuted and jailed. I accept cheques and bankers' draft"
 
2 guys had died, one will never use his right arm or leg again.
I did my investigation, turns out the last time maintenance had been performed on the vessel was 2004 (almost a decade)
 
9:41 AM
@JGrindal if this is your profession, how come you're loitering in C# chat? You code a lot as part of your role?
 
So my report to the company was that ANY vessel that went that long was grossly irresponsible, and I provided my report to them and the families that lost people.
They're still one of my best clients.
@Squiggle Because I have to keep myself busy betwixt refinery fires and nuclear meltdowns. =)
 
sounds like a good relationship at least :)
heh
 
Because as fun as gallavanting around the globe walking into disaster zones is, I'd actually really like to do something else..
I've always had an interest in software development, I want to get better at it.
 
@JGrindal i can imagine that you are confronted with some serious incidents, but your job sounds damn interesting :D
 
@SebastianL Both true. There's a lot of satisfaction that comes from fixing broken things, or putting together puzzles for stuff that took a sideways turn. Plus, I get to travel a ton.
 
9:48 AM
I can totally see why you don't fancy Panama, tbh. A lovely combination of corruption and humidity would make for an annoying time.
 
I've just volunteered myself for a load of travel as well. I get to go to such sunny climes as Guildford.
maybe Manchester.
 
But some moments are insanely stressful - I worked on Fukushima when the rods were overheating and people are looking to you for a solution. There are hundreds of people with their lives on the line, and you have to come up with a plan. And you're drawing BLANKS.
 
yeow
 
And some of the moments haunt you - I'll never forget the piles of bodies in Kathmandu for as long as I live.
 
@JGrindal I seem to recall there was a cruise ship at risk of being grounded just off the coast at that time. I found myself thinking, that captain should be like "We have pumping equipment, do we not? Do we have hoses that will reach? Beach the boat."
 
9:53 AM
@TomW Not nearly enough pumping capacity considering the headloss of the boat's motors.
 
Ah. So was that actually considered?
i r smrt.
 
We actually spend $32MM, airlifted in GE Aeroderivative pumps from Houston, TX which were designed for freshwater
we ran saltwater through them, knowing that they wouldn't last long, but they bought us 58hrs - enough to evac everyone and get a better solution in place.
A lot of the big, international-news type problems suck the most because there is sweet fa that you can do to prevent a disaster and the world is watching and expecting you to fix it.
 
@MuhammadSohail If you use the same AES settings any implementation should be the same. It's just that the defaults in different languages are different.. e.g. the block mode etc.
 
@JGrindal and where you can help mitigate, pressure to commit to an idea that might not work and from which there is no going back. I guess.
 
Deepwater Horizon, Fukushima, Haiti - those 3 events changed me as a person, because when we walked on site in all 3, we knew "this is completely screwed"
"we have a one-tenth of one percent chance of fixing this and everyone going home smiling"
 
9:59 AM
I can see Haiti being... hard.
 
that doesn't mean you don't take the chance - it just means you're not planning what your float is going to look like when you get home.
parade float*
@Squiggle The best way it can be described was by my colleague who was with me at the time "I don't know if there's a heaven but, brother, I've seen hell now."
 
:(
 
Anyway, let's talk about something more fun, like how awesome TFS is.
 
Ahaha.
 
One of my colleagues wanted 'a local build server'. We already have gated check-ins, and I'm not sure why he wanted one.
his check-ins often fail to compile on the build server. No idea what magic a local build server would do to fix it there.
 
10:05 AM
@Squiggle He probably read somewhere that it would be cost efficient.
 
Disproportionate amount of nagging and whining when a build fails, so he wants to pre-empt that by testing that the build works privately first?
 
@TomW aye, but that would mean committing against a local repository as well, right?
 
Different branch, perhaps
I've never configured builds in TFS
 
OK, professional developers of the world - how does compiling work on large projects? All the projects I've done have been a few thousand lines of code and compile times are measured in seconds. For giant developments, are there scheduled builds or something done on a central server?
I legitimately don't know the process, and I've never really thought about how it happened, I just assumed it was majicks.
 
@JGrindal In both cases yes. You should always be able to build the solution on your dev machine though. The general notion is known as 'continuous integration'
Normally a 'CI server' will watch the source control for changes and build them as they come in. At a minimum.
Typically you'll also want to run unit tests against the completed build and report some status other than 'all good' if they fail
 
10:09 AM
So, 10 devs are working on a project, when one of them makes a commit, it builds to make sure they didn't ruin someone's day?
 
I hate it when people ask to update only the "relevant" data. Wtf is relevant and what isn't? If you don't tell me exactly what needs to be updated, how the fuck should I know it then?
 
@JGrindal yup. TFS has a feature called 'gated builds' which actually rejects those changes if the gate conditions don't pass (usually a gate means 'will compile')
 
interesting.
 
@BenjaminDiele if you look on this question from diferent perspectives its relativ whats relevant :D
 
@JGrindal The instinct of people who aren't used to this kind of thing is often "but that will be really inconvenient and disruptive"
Well, yes. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to disrupt you from doing things wrong.
 
10:12 AM
@TomW i like the approach from gerrit better ^^
 
@SebastianL que?
 
I told a buddy of mine the other day I would work for his company for minimum wage just to learn how they do things. I think its really fascinating.
 
@JGrindal I've known colleagues I won't call developers or programmers, but people who program as a means to an end, who dislike the tools and practices developers use for collaboration. I think they perceive it as surrendering some control over their work.
I never quite got to the bottom of that mentality so I don't have words of wisdom to win them over with
 
@TomW every commit is creating something like a branch and there are two instances before your commit is actually committed to master. First you can assign something like a gate and second an actual human being has to review your changes
 
Engineers are the same way - they won't use the Product Life Cycle tools because they think they're somehow insulting.
 
10:15 AM
@SebastianL I see, that sounds like a formalisation of the idea of pull requests, kinda.
 
@TomW yep, but i think its easier to handle than the pullrequest from github
 
When I saw "engineers", I'm referring typically to mechanical or civil engineers, because they're the ones I deal with the most.
 
@JGrindal yeah gotcha. I've never worked in 'real' engineering so I don't have much of an idea of how the work gets done there either
 
and most "computer engineers" I deal with don't really care as much about the engineer in their title, they prefer to be called developers or software architects.
 
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
 
10:19 AM
@TomW Typically, an engineer comes up with a design and draws out a concept (which is garbage) and then hands it to a drafter/designer who comes up with a usable representation of it. The designer submits it as a revision in the VCS, the same way a software commit works, and it gets reviewed and marked up.
 
Mhm, I only fairly recently discovered that a lot of terminology in software version control is actually derived from mechanical engineering jargon
 
The main difference is that its typically designers pushing revisions which are either approved or rejected by the engineer before they go through more rigorous review.
Finally, when they have a product they're ready to push out the door, there's a "release team" that reviews the whole kit and kaboodle before it gets final release to manufacturing/sales etc.
 
And this is why engineering methodology doesn't translate perfectly to software. 'Manufacturing' is essentially free in both monetary cost and time.
 
our version of git is called "PDM" - Product Development Management or (less commonly due to an acronym overlap) PLC - Product Life Cycle
 
Excluding products that have a real RTM where they print DVDs or whatever.
 
10:23 AM
Yeah, prototyping for an $9MM aircraft engine is a little more expensive.
 
I've come from an environment where I believe part of their problem in delivering is that they ship in a ton of people used to managing engineering projects
e.g. Typhoon
I left that job two weeks ago.
Not my problem anymore
 
That's a great feeling
 
I've never worked in an engineering company. Was tempted to apply for a job at one locally, but I've heard tales of mismanagement.
 
@Squiggle @JohanLarsson knows all about that.
 
or at least poor practice, as a result of all higher-level software engineering positions being filled by embedded developers who have 'migrated'
one guy had a great idea to use reflection to persist versioned data to the database. And no, it's even worse than you can imagine.
@TomW I'll get him to spin some yarns when he's next online!
 
10:33 AM
@Squiggle As someone who knows very little about reflection, that sounds "paint the wall with your brains" bad.
OK @TomW, the anTicks futures pick of September - long on copper.
 
tx :)
 
@JGrindal well EF worked by instantiating an object and using reflection to populate the properties. It's pretty effective.
This solution I believe involved serializing the reflected object it's self into a text field. So all you had in the db was a base64 string that could only be de-serialized using the exact same version of the library. And you couldn't query anything.
 
it's currently trading at 2.3170, stoploss would be 2.1900, Target is 2.5510
 
@JGrindal unfortunately the platform I use seems not to have copper. And yes, it is a very crappy platform
I'm of a mind to bail out of everything and get my money back because to be honest, I'm no good at it and I don't have the time or the patience to research to the degree required
what's left of my money *
 
JJC
ETF
@TomW I know that feeling. My first 6 months trading, I didn't know what I was doing, but I learned. But it takes a lot more time that a lot of people give it credit for.
Now I let the computer tell me what to do.
It was just automatic trading the past week, turned the $10,000 I gave it into $33,891.
It's been an unusual few weeks, though.
 
10:42 AM
wowhee
I keep thinking I should have a play with this trading malarkey
First time in my life I have some cash left over at the end of each month.
 
This was me when I started haha
 
@JGrindal yowza. But the last week was exceptionally volatile, no?
 
Yeah, amazingly so.
 
I made 15% on a few intraday oil trades, just because it was all over the place
then hit a couple of stops and wiped it all out
 
@JGrindal you werent trading on the stockmarket? or were you?
 
10:45 AM
I trade derivatives - futures mostly.
so its kinda like double jeopardy.... but like 20x jeopardy.
My algo made 144 trades, 60% were profitable.
The longest hold was 11 hours.
 
nice :D
 
@Squiggle buy classic cars, wine, lego sets or something. Things that have crazy appreciation in resale value
 
@JGrindal so you wrote a software for trading or is it an algorithm you use by yourself?
 
Yeah, I've told lots of people - you CAN make a metric shitton of money trading stocks/bonds/futures/forex. You probably won't because you go into it thinking its a magic ticket. But the money is there.
@SebastianL It's an autoatic trading algorithm I've been working on for a while now. It uses some fancy math to try to give me a market edge.
Bayes Networks, to be precise.
I used InferNet as a jumping off point, which is how I found my way to this room and you lovely people =)
 
A couple months ago I met a guy who earns a living off predicting the results of reality TV voting
 
10:53 AM
now you got me interested :D but sadly i dont have much time for learning financial stuff ^^
 
Anyway, there is a standalone program that runs on my machine here, but it has access to my broker's API, so it can push orders through the same as if I was clicking a button.
@SebastianL well, if you decide you want to learn, just shoot me a note.
 
sure thanks :)
 
I watched a presentation by a guy from Microsoft about genetic algorithms. He said among other things he uses them to predict the Superbowl and has won money on it the last five attempts
He also mentioned something called Support Vector Machines, but didn't go into detail. I have a buddy who's a data scientist who things SVMs are the shit though
whatever they are.
 
I don't remember how this is done...you host a mvc app on iis and your app doesn't work as expected since your urls get messed up...how to correctly fix this?
 
urls messed up how?
 
11:05 AM
I mean...you host on iis 7.5 with a alias... http://<server>:4564/myapp/
but during our development we only deal with simple localhost... http://localhost:4546/<whatever>
so the url rules get messed up...
 
@TomW Ain't got time for that. I'd rather be playing with data :)
 
@deostroll Just use relative URLs?
 
11:26 AM
@RoelvanUden routes don't recognize urls that start with http://<server>:4546/myapp/...
so I've temporarily put it in the root of the website...
 
If you have an IIS alias then it will reach your MVC app.
 
it does...but the mvc app doesn't recognize it because of the alias name...
 
11:40 AM
is it that iis 7.5 doesn't have url routing module?
 
any powershell gurus here?
gci *.dll -Recurse | %{ New-Object -TypeName PSObject -Property @{ "Path" = $_.FullName; "Flags" = corflags $_ } } | ft -GroupBy Path -Property Flags -HideTableHeaders
my output is truncated :(
and stripped off newlines
any ideas?
okay I think I'm just using new-object wrong
 

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