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5:00 PM
Nothing.
 
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@AureliusPhi I was going to post "I'll write a GUI in visual basic to track the killer's IP address", but I think you win.
 
The scene where two people type on the same keyboard to prevent a denial of service attack might be a good contender.
 
oh god, NCIS
 
Cabbage.
 
5:04 PM
 
November 12th, huh? Alright. Someone remind me please?
On like, November 11th? :D
 
ok
 
Dammit people, how am I supposed to learn about materialized views with all these cringeworthy videos in the room
It's not like I can just not click
 
I'm all out of good ones now :-)
 
@AirThomas But why learn that when you can learn about enhancing the memory index and actualizing data?
 
5:05 PM
@AureliusPhi Oh my.
Really, two people typing on a single keyboard to make it faster? Yeah.
 
I'm sure you've all seen youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk
 
Ooh, how about the bit in Blade Runner where Harrison ford scans a photograph and moves a stone column over a foot to see what's behind it
 
And I’m so glad we can all stop a hack by unplugging a client computer.
 
@AureliusPhi And then they said, "Hey boss, you know this is just a remote workstation, right?"
 
@Kevin But that’s Blade Runner. It’s supposed to be super futuristic. NCIS plays in the present if I’m not wrong.
 
5:07 PM
XD
 
I've added another thing to the agenda anyway. Basically, the idea that we have meetings roughly quarterly, unless there are special circumstances that warrant more regular.
But at the very minimum, have them quarterly.
@Kevin Pair programming FTW.
 
Pair programming to the extreme
 
"GET OFF MY SIDE!"
 
"STOP HOGGING THE SPACEBAR!"
 
Are you guys saying you don't do spoon programming?
 
5:09 PM
“Can you press A for me please?”
 
I bet jazz trio programming would be fun
 
@Kevin March 30, huh?
They uploaded it really early.
 
Pfff. Posting your April Fool's joke on April Fool's Day is bush league.
 
Wow, that forced smile at the end.
 
:-)
 
5:12 PM
@AirThomas Guitar Hero for Commodore 64? Awesome.
@AirThomas Your avatar reminds me of this:
 
@poke shudder
 
Sorry, I just cannot not see it xD
 
got a female friend staying for the weekend... "it'd be more polite if you put the toilet seat down after"
wtf?
 
@poke You have ruined this avatar for me forever.
 
It reminds me of a water fountain in the food court of a local mall. When the jets of water reach their apex, it looks like basketball players trying to gain control of an airborne ball.
 
5:14 PM
@AirThomas I am really sorry :(
 
@JonClements But... But... It's your house!
Serioustalk: I always put the seat and lid down afterwards, to prevent lighter-than-air dookie particles from dispersing through the room and landing on my toothbrush.
 
@Kevin One word: microspray
 
@Jon explain to her, very clearly, that it'd be more polite if she put it up afterwards.
 
I don't remember reading about dookie particles in physics class.
 
It stands to reason that anything you can smell, must emit particles of some kind. Unless noses work by magic.
 
5:16 PM
@Kevin I put everything down simply because a closed toilet looks better and it belongs to be that way, but your reason works too I guess.
 
They're not "lighter than air" technically
 
Ok, yes
 
They're simply small enough to have a long settling time
 
They're light enough that air currents can disturb them and cause them to flow throughout a room.
 
@Ffisegydd I made it quite clear that it was my house, and she was quite capable of lifting/closing a toilet seat
 
5:18 PM
Ambient
 
But anyway, the proper solution is to put your toothbrush in a closed container. There's no way to keep the microspray in the toilet entirely.
 
toilet
@AirThomas Or just don’t worry about it too much.
 
Do you think that's air you're breathing now?
 
Brush with toilet water, build up immunity
 
5:20 PM
@poke Well, yeah. But I wouldn't call that a solution to the contamination issue, per se.
 
@JonClements I honestly don’t care. But the definition of “air” is also very ambiguous. In any way, whatever I’m breathing contains enough oxygen that I can survive, so I’m fine with it.
 
@vaultah "do the comparison with is instead of == for boolean and None values." Wait, since when are we supposed to use is for bools?
 
@Kevin Not necessarily particles. Gases can have odors.
Actually, I guess you meant particles in a different way. Never mind.
 
@Kevin If you need identity, use is. If you just care about the trueish value of something, then you don’t.
 
5:22 PM
What a pleasure (even as an RO) to login to the room and find such a discussion!? :o
 
@Jon You started it.
 
indeeed
 
I think Jon's argument with his guest is more a struggle for dominance, than actual concern for hygiene or whatever.
 
Okay, let's transition back to the topic of Python. Did anyone hear about that snake they found in that woman's toilet?
 
haha
 
5:25 PM
Can I just do puppy doggy eyes, wag my tail, do that cute innocent look and suddenly it doesn't matter?
 
i think whatever yu smell is a distinct matter ....only sensed by nose...and by that fact, is present under / around yur face, nose and everywhere...very disconcerting..
 
DSM
Not that we needed more evidence, but I think this settles the "Is it still a room for Python?" question, and the answer is no..
 
@tilaprimera The fun part is that even if you stop smelling it, it’s still there!
@DSM The problem with Python is that it’s such an awesome language, you don’t really need to discuss it. So we just have to talk about other random things!
 
yea, under the nose..sometimes when my nose blocks..i breathe through mouth..and oh dang! that feeling of ...ew(lets not talk about it)
 
@DSM we deviate from the main topic, have many more (no doubt), but we're still the #1 room for being friendliest and advice where needs be
 
5:28 PM
Such a productive language that we can afford to spend all day fooling around in chat? Try selling that one to your manager.
 
DSM
@poke: davidism felt similarly: "The regulars have been here so long there is literally no more Python to talk about, so instead we talk about tv shows, going to mars, and salad."
 
@AirThomas are you the PA of the manager? please dont tell on us
 
@tilaprimera No worries. It's Halloween on a Friday and my boss is on his honeymoon in beautiful Somewhere, Mexico.
 
did you guys send your names to mars mission, set to launch on dec 4th?
 
The argument on Ffisegydd's meta post from yesterday seems to suggest that all chat rooms are about 60% room owner socialization, 40% actual on-topic discussion
 
5:29 PM
Anyone here into lifting?
 
 
We're not alone in our off-topicness, I think.
 
 
"I am the NIGHT!"
 
 
awwwwwww
 
DSM
Non-chocolate-based candy for the dogs!
 
no no no! dog friendly chocolate is fine!
 
All chocolate is friendly if the dog is not living, technically
 
DSM
Not worth the risk of mislabelling. Only healthy treats for all dogs!
 
5:33 PM
There exists dog-friendly chocolate?
 
My coworker is talking to someone on the phone, relaying information about how to spell something. "C as in catherine, I as in island". I'm irrationally bothered that he isn't using the NATO phonetic alphabet.
I think you mean C as in Charlie, I as in India, coworker!
 
Oh, carob. Ew.
 
DSM
Especially because Katherine is sometimes spelled with a K..
 
C as in chasm
 
K as in knight
 
5:33 PM
And sometimes with an "A" there @DSM :)
 
And the C sounds more like the therine part (c-rine)
 
O as in opossum
 
K as in Kevin. E as in Kevin. V as in Kevin. I as in Kevin. N as in Kevin.
4
 
"N as in Nancy". clearly he hasn't watched Archer.
 
spent nearly two years writing name and address "correction/idenification" software... it was fun :)
 
5:35 PM
or, for us: "C as in C. R as in R. F as in F."
 
N as in “NATO phonetic alphabet which I am not using”
 
"us" being "people who like bad programming humor"
 
that was for the stars, innit? @poke?
 
@JonClements Sounds painful.
 
We use the phonetic alphabet at work to improve comms in error likely environments. when I make up neames because I can't remember (or abide by the strictness), people really pay attention and it works.
 
5:36 PM
@tila huh?
 
I want some stars!!
 
Sounds like those questions you see on SO occasionally like "I have a badly formed csv file and I need to extract all phone numbers from it. They could be in literally any format, in literally any location"
 
*those questions you get at work occasionally
 
your comment deserves a star...there it is!
 
I once had someone tell me over the phone "It's M for November you fool!"
 
5:36 PM
Here, take the star bunny:
 
:-I
 
@JonClements Ha - do you think they meant nov-M-ber?
 
DSM
I can imagine saying "R for Thursday" (with memories of college schedules coming to mind.)
 
M for Mittwoch
 
@Kevin It’s also not a CSV but a scanned fax.
 
5:37 PM
 
DSM
"M" as in "Mnemonic"
 
my telesupport as a youngster didn't last that long :(
 
"P" as in "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis"
 
apparently, "you are a complete twat, aren't you?" - doesn't keep you in a job
 
I can see how that could cause problems, yes.
 
DSM
5:39 PM
@poke: how did you find a bunny with vaguely star-shaped ears?
 
@DSM I played Super Mario Galaxy.
 
That's the bunny from Mario Galaxy. Player 2 can stun him by shooting stars from his wiimote.
Finally, your younger sibling can contribute while you play, and you don't have to hand him an unplugged controller and tell him he's playing the bad guy
 
Why would you stun him? :(
So mean
 
So you can catch him and pet him and name him George
 
@DSM i am sure he is the star shaped bunny secretly...
 
DSM
5:48 PM
Everyone's favourite Python ninja is now at 300,003!
Why was I not immediately informed? I would have cut lunch short. :-)
 
@DSM The party horn was blown. Were you not summoned?
Try right-click and "repair connection"
 
The parade was amazing. There were jugglers and men on stilts and everyone got a Martijn balloon.
 
DSM
.. is it weird to admit I think a Martijn-avatar-shaped-plushie would be kind of cool? It could sit on my desk and watch over my coding. Instead of talking to a duck I could talk to a ninja!
 
I don't think it's weird. It's a good shape for a plushie.
 
DSM
Right now I don't have any stuffed anything, although I do have a volleyball and a hand-sized mini-basketball. (At the office, I mean. Home is another story.)
 
5:53 PM
My coworker has a solar powered dancing penguin, which I covet deeply.
My own desk has naught but a Non Sequitur desk calendar. Which has become a lot more political since I read it in elementary school.
 
DSM
There's also a pillow and a Toronto Maple Leafs towel. You know, just in case.
 
I have a hand towel, and a single knitting needle, apparently left by the desk's previous occupant.
 
@DSM Not weird. I had approximately the same thought - it is decidedly balloon- or toy-shaped.
 
I have a plushie Toothless from HTTYD
and a Rubik's Cube. That's about it
 
I have a red and gold wreath that I inherited from a co-worker. I am terrible (TERRIBLE) at decorating my cube.
Unless my tea tin counts as decoration.
 
5:58 PM
I can't decorate my desk because my interests are non-mainstream. I do not want to explain my animes to an actual adult.
 
which
 
Come to think of it, I'm not watching any at the moment.
 
Have you checked out Code Geass?
 
I have a "cold" at the moment - what do I win?
 
I may pick up When Magical Powers Become Commonplace soon, though. The premise sounds interesting.
@AureliusPhi I watched like half of the first season. I don't usually like giant robot shows, but this one seemed to have a lot more going on
@JonClements you win soothing tea with honey. You have to buy and prepare it yourself, though.
 
DSM
The fact that the phrase "train wreck" doesn't appear on that page makes me doubt its reliability.
 
or if you want something more oldschool -- The Guyver
 
@Kevin Satoshi Kon? Yes/No
 
ofc. depends on taste. XD
plot-driven stuff IMO is more interesting
interesting premises etc
 
@AirThomas Paranoia Agent was good, Paprika confused yet intrigued me
 
6:06 PM
@Kevin I recommend Millennium Actress
It's surreal but in a less dark way than Paranoia Agent and a less sci-fi way than Paprika.
(I didn't really like Paprika.)
 
The soundtrack was so good though.
 
Megumi Hayashibara is the voice of the main character in Paprika?! That's badass
 
Not proud of everything on that list, but there you go.
 
DSM
Haibane Renmei, Noir, and Serial Experiments Lain; Shingu: Secret of the Stellar Wars; Bakemonogatari, Mouretsu Pirates, and Summer Wars more recently.
 
@davidism Thoughts on Geass?
Also there is a disturbing lack of Dragonball * on that list. It sucks horribly but it's a rite of passage.
 
6:11 PM
Code Geass is a poor man's Death Note, IMO.
 
Finished it, but didn't like it. Too dramatic for no good reason. Same with Death Note.
 
I prefer it to Death Note. XD
 
But so is the second half of Death Note, for that matter.
 
ha.
 
@Kevin I've heard mixed reviews, but it is by Trigger...
 
DSM
6:12 PM
I recommended Death Note to a friend once. She loved it but said "I so hope X doesn't happen", and X happened.
 
@DSM s/Death Note/Game of Thrones/
 
How about the Monogatari Series?
 
I saw the first season. I liked the art and choreography, but I got weirded out when the brother helped the sister brush her teeth.
 
Favorite recent ones were, surprisingly, mecha: Suisei no Gargantia, and Sidonia no Kishi
I liked that scene just for that 4chan thread is spawned.
 
Heh
 
6:14 PM
The first season was something unique, but I haven't enjoyed the later ones as much.
 
DSM
I can sing the full version of Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari. In Japanese.
 
Really just waiting for the prequel that was hinted at in the first scene.
 
DSM
It takes me back to grade seven like nothing else.
 
I can't actually remember the last time I watched anime. Oh wait, that's a lie. I watched some of Attack on Titan on Netflix earlier this year.
 
Kizumonogatari
 
6:15 PM
goosh goosh
 
I get way too impatient with anime series nowadays. They take forever to get to the point. At least with manga I can flip past the filler.
 
I have developed a habit of doing number puzzles while I watch TV, and this has made it very hard for me to view anything with subtitles.
 
Ugh, not a fan of Titan, everyone makes poor choices not because they're dumb, but just because they were written to make a poor choice. It's terrible.
 
DSM
I quite liked Katanagatari, even though it wasn't very popular, and I'd have changed the ending a bit. But the set pieces were so much fun.
 
@AirThomas May be a dumb question, but have you tried Cowboy Bebop? (I assume most have) -- IMO it does a lot right
 
6:16 PM
Everyone is basically deliberately stupid in that show. (Titan, not Bebop)
 
@Kevin What kind of puzzles?
 
@AureliusPhi Mostly keen, but sometimes I'll head over to Nikoli for some nurikabe
 
@AureliusPhi Are you kidding? I cut my teeth on Bebop. Not much compares, although it does lose a little as I get older.
 
DSM
We might as well close that as a dup instead. Do we have a canonical ordered-set?
 
6:18 PM
I still listen to the soundtracks regularly.
 
Yeah, the soundtracks are fantastic
 
Someone ported Simon Tatham's puzzles over to android. They added a halloween themed game this month.
 
@vaultah He's probably trying to ask "how do I remove the duplicates from a list?"
 
@DSM Ordered set implies use of library
 
Everything composed by Kanno is gold.
 
6:20 PM
I'm not sure I understand the rules of Keen, hm
 
@QuestionC I must resist downloading the games to my phone. I'd never get anything done.
 
@davidism The authority figures make much better decisions than the new recruits. Erwin and Levi seem pretty sharp.
 
Is the only condition that each arithmetic expression equate to the same number?
 
Each row needs one of each number as well.
 
clues of the form "number operation" mean "the numbers in this group must equal number when you do number1 operation number2 operation number3..."
so 6x means "the product of the numbers in this group is six" and 2% means "dividing one number in this group by the other makes 2"
subtraction and division groups always contain two elements, btw
 
6:22 PM
Yeah, I figured it might get "smarter" later on, but I just couldn't sit through it. The manga didn't portray them as quite so incompetent.
 
oh, I gotcha
 
The answers there seem more than comprehensive enough for the proposed dupe.
 
This lets you make some conclusions about the contents of cells. Ex. 3% can only contain 1,2,3, or 6; 2% can only contain 1,2,3,4, or 6.
If you have a column that contains both 3% and 2%, then you know that the five must lie elsewhere in that column.
 
DSM
@AirThomas: hmm. That one doesn't seem to suggest using OrderedDict.fromkeys, though, which is a common idiom (it's the one I use, anyway) to fake an orderedset with the stdlib.
 
6:28 PM
Heh this game is pretty cool
 
@DSM You can always answer and CV, or add a new answer to the target.
Unless someone can find a canonical CW target to use instead.
 
Ashwini hammered it
 
Yeah, that target seems fine too.
 
Superior, even.
 
6:31 PM
F*** you Google Chrome for not allowing 3rd-party extensions to be installed when on Windows! I can choose to trust something! I am like 25 years old! I HATE YOU! I WISH INTERNET EXPLORER WAS MY BROWSER!
 
arhgghghgg - wtf is my cvc
 
Don't worry, Chrome baby, he doesn't mean that.
 
to be 25 again sighs
 
@Kevin Is it ever the case that you'd get a "single square"?
i.e. 4+ in a single (fully bound) square implying 4 must go there
 
I've never seen one, no
 
6:33 PM
i.e. each fully-bound box (sorry idk what you call these) is at least 2 long
 
yeah, everything is at least 2 big
 
This game is giving me tons of ideas already. Thanks, Kevin
 
Oh boy, I'm productive again
 
good to hear :-)
 
6:36 PM
online banking is offline... wtf
 
My mother was signing up for online banking the other day, and the page said, "username must contain at least one number and special character". W.T.F.
 
I want to make a payment cabbage darn it!
 
Better salt + hash dem usernames
 
I very carefully reviewed the page to confirm that it definitely was not a password requirement. Nope. User name.
 
@Kevin I suppose what they're trying to do is get more equality with memorability of usernames. The easier someone's is, the harder someone else's eventually will be, if that makes sense. It is fairer if they both have to have stupid numbers and special letters in their username.
 
6:39 PM
I considered that, but I still don't like it.
 
The only way I could see that being useful is if someone were to try to hack someone with a known name (with an assumed common username being first initial + last name) and did not have access to the database
but even then I'm bending over backwards to make that logic work
This Keen generator does not appear to be fully random, hm.
 
I don't know about the js version, but the desktop version seems quite random
 
(nvm, I misinterpreted something. It's fine)
 
Or rather, nonrepeating. Humans are rubbish at detecting randomness.
 
lol I like how this goes from Unreasonable to Normal again
 
6:45 PM
*GASP* Martijn made................................ a mistake! That's his second one today!
 
@AlexThornton All that rep must have gone to his head. Quick, downvote him back under 300k, before he turns into a cliche supervillain and tries to strap Skeet to a laser table
 
@AirThomas The mistake was trivial, yet I was so amazed that I phrased the subsequent comment as a question.
 
Anyone tried installing my extension? When I restarted the browser the "third-party extension is disabled" message popped up.
 
@vaultah if on Windows it needs to come via the store.
 
It's on the store
 
6:55 PM
Which is what I was bitching about earlier as I now don't have the cv-pls extension on my PC.
Link?
 
@Ffisegydd I linked it before. It's now on the starred list ->
 
DSM
7:16 PM
Today's random fact: the median year of composition of [operatic] pieces performed at the [Metropolitan Opera] has always been right around 1870 [for the last 110+ years].
 
user559633
What's the median year of decomposition at the Met?
 
DSM
I'm trying to think of a Halloween-themed joke but I've got nothing.
 
user559633
You're hollow themed?
 
user559633
Never mind, that doesn't even make sense.
 
DSM
Yeah, see, that's the kind of quality I was trying to avoid. ;-)
 
user559633
7:19 PM
I like github's halloween stylesheet today
 
user559633
And ouch.
 
user559633
I have feeling too.
 
7:32 PM
@DSM Would you settle for a tried-and-true DEC 25 = OCT 31 joke?
 
@AureliusPhi ?
I carved the Python logo into my jack-o-lantern this year. It came out surprisingly well.
 
DSM
@AureliusPhi: kind of not as decomposition-related as I was hoping for, but I guess we'll take what we can get.
 
@AirThomas DECember 25th = Christmas, OCTober 31st = Halloween, and also 31 in octal equals 25 in decimal
 
@AirThomas 0o31 == 25
 
...slow clap.
 
7:35 PM
Decomposition-related?
 
I hadn't heard that one.
 
DSM
@AureliusPhi: I was trying to think of a clever reply to tristan, but failed.
 
BTW I know nothing about opera, but wouldn't the median year be rather consistent if the time period of the music is more or less constant?
 
composition -> decomposition -> corpses -> Halloween
 
-2
Q: can you give me the code ftp proxy?

Duy Maigive me FTP proxy code written in c, c ++ or c # and how to run it ... now I really need it who can then send it to me ... I thank you ..

Haha, "give me teh codez" literally
 
7:37 PM
lol
 
@AureliusPhi Quite possibly so.
 
DSM
@AureliusPhi: that was the point of the article -- more recent works aren't getting much love.
 
serves me right for not rtfa
 
As a lapsed music student, it's really hard to compose something in an older style that gets taken seriously as anything more than period music for e.g. a film score.
 
DSM
To be fair, I didn't link it. :-)
 
7:38 PM
Then woohoo, redemption!
 
Probably because the arbiters of what is considered "serious" or "worthy" new music tend to be extremely familiar with older styles and as a result easily bored by anything they see as derivative.
The ease of information archival makes reinventing the wheel much less impressive than it would have been in past centuries.
 
One thing I always wondered about was the notion of high-worth classics (as a concept) being shut off going forward. Like could we ever have another Picasso, or Bach, etc -- it seems like nowadays, there are too many competing talents / exposures for any one to gain utter domination over the rest
 
or would we ever invent another holiday, or are the ones we have pretty much final? Could we ever create a new set of "holiday classics" in terms of music (e.g. Christmas)?
 
One would think that modern music is more derivative than older styles. 2010's music derives from 00's music, 90's music, 80's music... 1500s music. The farther back you go, the less you have to borrow from.
 
DSM
7:42 PM
Other forms of music don't seem to be suffering as badly, though: it's not like people only listen to I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen.
 
The thing is, once you deviate enough from an older style that the music you produce is once again interesting enough to be taken seriously, people start calling it by some other name.
Like post-punk instead of punk, or what have you.
 
dubstep. :X
 
James Blake has been referred to as producing post-dubstep music.
"Anti-folk" is another one I find amusing.
 
DSM
This room is post-Python. #realtruth
 
c.f. NoSQL
which could conceivably be called post-SQL if not for postgreSQL
Speaking of SQL:
This is why I have time to waste in chat. Sigh.
 
DSM
7:52 PM
Not waste. Invest.
 
Actually, I just realized I have holds to pick up at the library. Time to take a walk. Cross fingers that my query finishes before I get back, so I can continue debugging.
If you don't cross your fingers, the terrorists win.
 

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