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10:00 PM
@corvid yeah sorry, I had already started working on it then you prompted me to finish :/
 
it's cool, was mostly just for learning experience
 
@corvid next time you start working on something assign it to yourself on Trello and stick it in "In Progress"
 
if you assign yourself to anything in the to-do list, I promise not to do it first :)
 
@corvid Don’t we use trello member assignments for tracking who works on what?
 
honestly, I think I was working on something different but got distracted by a comment left behind in sopy/ext/views
 
10:03 PM
cabbage. Am I the only one who noticed that an overwhelming amount of Pythonistas (comparing to other disciplines) use Vim?
 
because I implemented the same kinda thing on my site recently, but in a different way
 
If we’re going to chat about it, maybe we should just chat about it… @davidism @Jon @Ffisegydd
 
uhh, yeah :)
 
So, I’m looking from it as a MediaWiki poweruser. So all my views are based on that experience.
Article names are the identifying factor for the underlying page.
 
yeah, I see where you're coming from, but they have disambiguation pages, aliases, and I'm sure there are tools to make sure the slugs don't overlap
so what happens if I create page "potato", rename it "carrot", then create new page "potato"?
 
10:11 PM
When moving (renaming) an article, the article name is simply changed (so all the history stays there; there is actually a move-history entry); and a page on the old name is created that redirects to the new title. That old page can then be edited to have something else.
 
Okay, I can see that for the "wiki" portion of the site - ideally the title should be unique - however for other bits of the site common questions and archived nidaba data, I can't see it being practical. Not sure if it's worth special casing the wiki side now - given the size of it.
 
OK, so I would leave the old page and create a new page, a copy instead of a move.
 
What happens to the history then?
If I rename “potato” to “carrot”, then the article for “carrot” should have its old “potato” history.
 
nevermind, I said that exactly backwards
 
So if I create potato and rename it carrot, then if someone accesses potato, then end up on carrot (via a redirect?)
 
10:15 PM
@poke now that you explain it, I like it. I'll do that for at least wiki pages.
 
Yeah Jon
 
@JonClements and it has a little notice "redirected from potato"
 
A new “potato” article is automatically created that just redirects to “carrot”
 
okay... but then what if I want to create something genuinely called called potato?
is it a redirect or a new article?
ie... does it or does it not go to carrot?
 
Then you edit the “potato” article and replace the redirect by something else.
 
10:16 PM
at that point it becomes a new page instead of a redirect, you can add a notice at the top "did you mean carrot?"
not sure if canon items should work the same
 
MediaWiki solves all that by having a special text #redirect [[Other article name]] that means this article should redirect to “Other article name”.
the questions could probably work exactly the same, actually identically to wiki things, but just with a different url prefix
so it’s like MediaWiki’s namespaces for articles.
 
I can see how it'd be a nice to have... but not convinced it's a must have for the moment... but I'm happy with whatever
We're not trying to build another Wiki platform... just something reasonably decent and easily editable :)
 
I think canon items should be closer to the stack overflow questions they are collecting.
 
(Why is it “canon” btw?)
 
canonical questions
I just didn't want to type as much.
 
10:20 PM
Huh.... since when was it possible to use markdown like that in chat?
 
Ohh..
 
It also sounds like cannon :3
I just imagine pointing the dupe cannon at questions
 
@davidism Why not just “questions” instead? :P
 
too long!
 
but a lot clearer!
 
10:21 PM
also, it's collections of questions, not questions themselves
"why not "collections"?"
 
Because that doesn’t say what you are collecting :P
Anyway:
@davidism Why? My original idea was actually to give each “common question” a self-chosen “name” that determines the URL part and uniquely identifies the question.
 
commonly-asked-questions-and-useful-stackoverflow-post-references?
 
I think tags and search will take care of finding canon items. The titles aren't as memorable there, especially if there are similar canon items with similar titles.
 
Well, my original approach was a lot less practical but more semantical ;P
 
I've got to go home before traffic hits, so rhubarb @all!
 
10:28 PM
way to avoid discussion ;P
rbrb ;)
 

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