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8:15 PM
cbg
 
8:31 PM
How many people here have read learn python the hard way?
What's the coolest thing you've personally done with python?
 
Nope. Lots.
 
Nope. Lots-though-not-as-much-as-Jon.
 
A bit. A bit less than Jon and fizzygid, probably.
 
@JonClements, what's one?
 
@Ffisegydd I've almost finished integrating all the bar charts and stuff into real-reports now... I'll show you one when it's finished, so you can see your handy work :)
 
8:35 PM
@Jon :D
 
@Nathvi I've trained it to play fetch
 
What is one instance?
@JonClements, fetch a file? :v
 
DSM
I've only skimmed LPTHW, but I've seen a lot of questions from people using it, and I'm not much of a fan. The problems seem to emphasize the wrong things.
 
sopython.com is written using Python (Flask)
 
I once got it to do math faster than an average human.
Also, I did a lot of sopython.
 
8:36 PM
@DSM, why do you think that? What do you think it is emphasizing?
 
@DSM I've seen so many questions on SO about various "learning books", and a lot of them, I just end up thinking, "where is the author trying to get you to go with this - it makes no sense gawd dammit!"
 
Aye.
 
Yeah, it seems to be written in such a way that nobody wants to keep reading to the part that explains their question.
 
Anyway... not hanging around for much longer, need to get back to "normal hours"
I've yet to work out what "normal" is, but certainly don't want to end up in the same timezones Peter frequents :)
 
DSM
@Nathvi: that's hard to answer in the abstract. But there are lots of things you can learn from a given problem -- syntax, functions, patterns, idioms -- and I'm not convinced that students using that work are necessarily picking up what they're supposed to. But since I only see the subsample of people who ask questions on SO, there's a big selection bias. (That said, I'd never have made it through LPTHW.)
@Jon: anticipatory rhubarb, then.
 
8:41 PM
ty @DSM
 
Yam
I just stumbled upon the Salad.
 
:D
But yeah, awesome stuff in Python? I once wrote a data analysis GUI program that did automated filtering of high frequency components for a 3rd year Physics project.
 
@Ffisegydd, that's pretty cool
 
DSM
I've covered the gamut from building planets to infecting schoolchildren with the flu. On the bright side, I gave them days off, so it was probably a wash.
 
@DSM, were the planets 3D?
 
DSM
8:47 PM
@Nathvi: 0D, actually.
 
0D is the best D.
 
DSM
Well, I suppose they had radii, but they interacted as point particles.
 
@DSM, I see
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: hear, hear.
 
Banana
Bananas
 
user559633
8:56 PM
good god the obj-c syntax is horrid
 
Use Swift
 
user559633
For OSX desktop applications?
 
user559633
Oh whoa, it's binary compatible with objc
 
DSM
I didn't mind Obj-C that much, although I admit I haven't done much with it since I stopped getting the academic discount on Apple purchases and my macbook gave up the ghost.
 
@tristan also, it's modern.
It's a lot closer to Python than to C
 
user559633
8:58 PM
I like C. But yeah, I'm going to write this in swift instead.
 
MA1
How to know which version of python is used when we run tests using nosetests?
 
user559633
@MA1 it's version 2.3, always
 
MA1
even if i am using vietualenv?
with python3
 
user559633
especially then.
 
user559633
oh yeah, then it might be using something even older for cross endian compatibility
 
DSM
8:59 PM
(smh) You be good, tristan.
 
user559633
haha. yeah, sorry. @MA1 you can print out the python version with sys.version_info
 
DSM
@MA1: you can always look at sys.version_info.
 
MA1
@tristan Thanks, let me check it
 
user559633
You have to admit, that was some top shelf techno-nonsense
 
MA1
@tristan :( its still using the 2.7.3
 
user559633
9:03 PM
You can also print out the python path to see why -- maybe you forgot to activate your venv?
 
MA1
actually the venv is activated
do i need to install the nosetests in my venv?
 
user559633
read up on what virtualenv does.
 
DSM
Aargh. I'm now usIng weird casIng even in words that don't need it.
 
You dIdn't captalIse It!
 
DSM
9:22 PM
How can I have mismatched parentheses when one's in a comment.. grumble..
.. because of a syntax error later in the file.
 
Update: Many thanks to those who volunteered; we'll be in touch by email in the next week or so. We had far more volunteers than mentor spots available, but your generosity and interest are appreciated; we hope to create more opportunities to mentor in the future.
It'll be interesting to see if they publish how many male/female volunteers they had
 
DSM
I can't remember the specifics. Did they request only women volunteer?
 
They said they're prefer
 
shivering isles == BEST game expansion
 
DSM
9:40 PM
@JonClements: even if women volunteered at a significantly higher rate it wouldn't surprise me if there were more men than women given the numbers involved. Actually, I'd be a little surprised if that weren't the case, come to think of it.
 
I'll be quite impressed if they can match all mentees with female mentors
 
DSM
There are only, what, 16? SO could probably do that in-house if it wanted.
 
The whole thing it's trying to do ie. get more females into the industry is kind of the same thing that is it down fall - ie, the experienced developers that'd make experienced mentors are more likely to be male
@DSM in house - they managed 15 males/1 female mentor
 
DSM
@Jon: that's not very impressive. (The stat, I mean; the car is crazy.)
 
DSM
10:11 PM
Is there a way to upload an image into a comment? By which I mean upload the image to the SO servers and provide a link, not to display the image.
 
@DSM just load it to any hosting site and link it
 
DSM
@Jon: yeah, but imgrot.
hmm.. what if I upload it in the test chatroom and steal the url?
 
upload it to a room, take the image url... then... beat my thinking...
 
DSM
Kevin does that to me regularly. It used to be funny, then it was annoying, and now I've moved to acceptance.
Reminds me of an old colleague who twice beat me to paper ideas. Somehow he stole my idea and then travelled back in time..
 
10:32 PM
right... definitely bed time... night all
see ya tomoz
 

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