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5:00 PM
Seriously? It's 16
 
user559633
seems arbitrary to be honest
 
user559633
Yeah, seriously. I didn't know if it was one of those things in which getting married goes from church->state, but getting divorced is state->church, and sometimes there's court procedures that require parental consent or other circumstances
 
What, 16 or 85?
 
user559633
"arbitrary" was for 85
 
user559633
states sometimes turn their head to stuff originating in the cult of the sky wizard
 
5:02 PM
Yeah. I personally see marriage as a civil partnership franchise that is awarded to churches
If they discriminate, then they should be punished as any business should if they discriminate, as per the law. If it's institutionally abused, then the franchise should be revoked
 
user559633
Yep. As is operating a tax-free business on land not zoned for it
 
No takers for my cmake question. Trying once more, then I'll go away.
6 hours ago, by Faheem Mitha
Anyone here using cmake to do Python installation? To my annoyance, unlike, autotools, Cmake apparently has the policy of "we don't do this here" when it comes to Python installations. I've asked on IRC, but not the mailing list yet. Just wondering what people's take on this is.
 
@tristan Yep. Mind you, I don't like the idea of religion getting more evangelical just so's so they can make ends meet. (EDIT - excuse the scottishism)
 
Hmm, can't say I know anything about Cmake
 
user559633
@IntrepidBrit The argument against taking away the tax-free status in america is that then they'd have a right to demand formal representation in government. The argument against that is, "lol what world do you live in in which the church isn't already manipulating the state"
 
5:05 PM
@FaheemMitha Sorry, I've not used cmake.
@tristan I prefer the British method of handling the church/state separation. *throws them into an archaic upper house that only has the power to delay reform "But you do have representation in the state. You wouldn't want us to take that away from you? Do you now?"
sharpens quill threateningly
 
user559633
Nice.
 
Ergo - religion has undue power on the political process, but can't actually seem to do much with it. 'Mon sectarianism!
 
@DSM sorry, I just popped in briefly earlier, what's up?
 
Solution: for every church given representation in gov't, give representation to an equal and opposite religion. Hopefully their votes will cancel out
We have one vote for "thou shall not kill", and one for "kill all the time". Guess it's another deadlock.
 
Pastafarianism!
 
user559633
5:11 PM
@Kevin Oh neat, another "first past the goalpost" layer, this time with less intelligent, more deluded people
 
Don't do that Kevin. Jedism is actually one of the biggest religions in the UK
 
DSM
Oy, step out for a second, hear a beep, and realized I've missed all the fun.
 
The Jedi census phenomenon is a grassroots movement that was initiated in 2001 for residents of a number of English-speaking countries, urging them to record their religion as "Jedi" or "Jedi Knight" (after the quasi-religious order of Jedi Knights in the fictional Star Wars universe) on the national census. It is believed the majority of self-reported Jedi claimed the religion for their own amusement, to poke fun at the government, or as a protest against the inclusion of the religion question on the census form. == Impact == === Australia === In Australia more than 70,000 people (0.37...
Fourth biggest religion
 
But my proposal will bring balance. I'm sure plenty of Jedi would be happy to hear that.
 
DSM
@tristan: you've got it exactly backwards. Making certain organizations tax-free was an attempt to avoid entangling religion and politics, by lowering the stakes. That said, it only ever made sense in practice, not in theory, and the practice has collapsed, so I think it's time for the Church to end this particular Faustian bargain with the state. But I expect the consequences won't be to your liking.
@davidism: did you pop out again?
 
user559633
5:16 PM
@DSM But as not even the illusion of a separation exists, it's time to start taxing those prime real estate plots.
 
nope, still here
 
user559633
Start zoning the grounds as businesses, which they are.
 
DSM
@tristan: I don't know enough about how Americans divide organizations into category -- and frankly don't care -- to know whether business is the right category, but yes, if the options are business or individuals, then religious groups are businesses.
 
user559633
@DSM Businesses can become people through incorporation here :)
 
DSM
5:19 PM
@tristan: is that a joke based on the difference between "people" as in "human beings" and "person" as in "a legal person which can be sued, file lawsuits, etc."?
 
user559633
Maybe.
 
cbg…
meetings… meh.
 
user559633
meehtings
 
heh
 
5:20 PM
Also known as meh-things.
 
@DSM so did you want to ask me something? :)
 
DSM
@davidism: so I'm trying to sketch out an API, and I'm not getting why everyone is so fond of rest-ful interfaces where the url part always corresponds to a resource. It seems to me that just pushes things into the query strings. sopython seems to have move_down/move_up urls, so it's got actions there.
 
@davidism That’s like a text book example of “too broad”.
 
@DSM yeah, I don't like designing "fully restful" apis, it makes way more sense to me to define actions on the objects being referenced, rather than having to support "standard" http verbs
wait, I can't tell if you were asking why sopython is different than everything else or the same...
 
DSM
I was basically saying "I don't see the appeal of strict REST, and it looks like sopython-site doesn't use it either.."
 
5:24 PM
In that case: yes. :)
 
user559633
"define actions on the objects being referenced" how do you mean? like this? '/<int:id>/update'
 
I have yet to see a real RESTful API. Most that appear to come close are missing the basic idea of having hypertext inside. In general, you don’t need to follow any principle too closely. Just design a nice interface that is consistent and makes sense.
 
Rather than "PATCH /user/1 {json diff}", use "POST /user/1/update"
so the urls are always simple "refer to an object", followed by an action
 
user559633
oh, agreed!
 
@davidism PATCH was never standardized, was it?
 
DSM
5:26 PM
A lot of proposed benefits seem to come from people saying how simple the verbs become, but then to handle non-trivial actions they add query strings which have exactly the naming issues they said a restful interface would help avoid. I was wondering if I was missing something obvious..
 
@poke it was... it's in the HTTP spec... but was never supported in a form action (ajax only) and might well not be in a lot of browsers still
 
@poke I think it's "standardized" in that it's described in the http spec, but what the data looks like was not standardized.
So there's no standard way to prepare a patch request and interpret it.
 
@davidism the same as POST but PATCH is entitled to throw an error if it doesn't exist
 
user559633
ah yes, a NOSERT update
 
but since most people are stuck with GET/POST verbs.... no one's really bothered complying to the spec (afaik)
 
5:30 PM
hmm
well, it’s pretty rare that you really only want to update a resource anyway, so the verbs are pretty limited anyway.
 
But what does a patch request look like? It's supposed to just send a diff, right? So how do you diff an object with collections, optional fields, etc? Well, there are certainly ways, but there's no agreed upon way, and I haven't come across any popular solutions in both python and javascript.
 
@davidism exactly the same as a POST
 
According to spec, the patch request is supposed to contain a description of the changes.
 
post/put sends the whole representation
 
5:32 PM
So how that looks like is not defined. If it makes sense, you could send a text diff
 
oh wait... I'm confusing post/put - sorry guys
 
but for objects with properties, you could possibly also just send the properties that should be updated (like a partial POST).
 
my main complaint is not with patch anyway, since I could just always require the whole object in put
 
@DSM yes, it's notoriously vague
 
Wow, now I’m even confusing myself…
 
5:34 PM
but then... GET is somewhat vague... it's just asking for a resource - there's no spec. that says what that should retrieve
 
The spec is also very vague for everything that’s not about querying or updating a resource.
 
so I guess the behaviour of put/patch are just "whatever makes sense"
 
but then if I'm not going to support PATCH, PUT is almost identical to POST, so why support PUT. OK, now I'm just back to GET/POST, which everything supports really well
 
E.g. perform a search, what is that?
 
5:36 PM
What if you have to build a complex query? Well, now you actually POST to create a query resource, then GET the query resource. It all sort of breaks down and becomes "just do whatever works".
 
So you can e.g. bookmark the search URL
What complex query could you build that wouldn't be supported by get?
If it creates a URL longer than the max supported?
 
@Robert I think that's everyone's argument here :)
 
Then I don't understand @poke's question
 
Believe me, my users have managed to exhaust the length of the query string with some of the stupid stuff they try to do with filters on my system.
 
The way I view it is that GET/POST are the basics that you can work everything on... thinks like PUT/PATCH are "hints"
 
user559633
5:38 PM
i love you all, i hope you have good days
 
user559633
rb
 
Cheers sir
 
@tristan we hope you die very soon we luv you too! :)
 
Then, when I fix the length issue by using POST, they're confused why their super long queries take forever to run
 
@JonClements I will drown love you
(I REALLY need a preview for chat)
 
5:39 PM
@tristan Wow - you have double checked the mushrooms you're having for your dinner, right? :p
 
Probably not a good opener for a question: "Ok, so this question has probably been answered a billion times, but I thought it would just be easier me to get a direct idea to fit in exactly with my current program."
 
DSM
We may need to ask Martijn to check the IP of that "tristan". Just to be sure.
Annoyance of the day: accessories like power adapters where they've designed it so the part most likely to break isn't swappable.
 
Here's my simple maths quiz, how can I create a system that saves the scores?. Too broad IMO, as there are many ways to make a high score system.
(although at the same time, it's too narrow, since he's asking for an implementation which exactly fits his particular situation, and has rejected all existing near-matches on that basis)
 
DSM
Not sure I'd go SQL for this..
 
Closed
 
5:53 PM
I'm guessing OP doesn't know how to write to a file yet, so yeah, SQL is a bit outside the realm of possibility
 
6:17 PM
I understand that people want to use list and dict comprehensions for ALL THE THINGS, but I really wish they would think about performance too.
 
DSM
They're handy, but usually if you find yourself asking "how do I do this in a comprehension?" the answer is "you shouldn't."
 
mmm is it possible to split a string from a given word onwards without using regex ? like given '1234 Hillsborough Road, Suite B' split the string from Suite forwards. so returns ['1234 Hillsborough Road, ', 'Suite B']
 
I care about performance if it's the difference between O(N) and O(N^2). I don't care about performance if it's the 0.001 second difference between sum([1 for foo in bar]) and sum(1 for foo in bar)
 
@Kevin potentially massive difference in memory if bar is a 100gb file though :)
 
so far im thinking .split() the string, then check if suite is in the list, then take all items from the "Suite" to the end of the list
 
6:22 PM
@Jon In that case, my users should be punished for having such a big file, so I choose the slower approach.
 
DSM
@Fuchida: are you sure that the string you want to split on will be bracketed by either whitespace or a side?
 
@Kevin To make sure that people are punished for big files, KevinScript will not include a garbage collector but will only free memory on program termination.
 
@DSM yeah there will always be white space on the left side of "Suite"
 
@poke That's actually how it works now -_-
Unless Python is doing some truly magical garbage collecting on my behalf.
@Fuchida How about:
>>> s = '1234 Hillsborough Road, Suite B'
>>> seq = s.rpartition(" Suite")
>>> seq
('1234 Hillsborough Road,', ' Suite', ' B')
>>> result = [seq[0], "Suite" + seq[2]]
>>> result
['1234 Hillsborough Road,', 'Suite B']
 
Aren’t you compiling into Python? Then you probably have a garbage collector running…
 
6:25 PM
If you're about to say "but I have multiple instances of 'Suite' in one string, and I want to split on them all", well, never mind then.
 
DSM
@Kevin: hmm, that gets around the non-whitespace-preserving problem I was about to raise.
 
I want to live in the world, where you can safely split on “Suite” in any address…
 
Actually I guess KS variables do get garbage collected when the scope the variable was created in ends.
Unless you created a closure in that scope, which itself still exists elsewhere, in which case you're doomed.
 
DSM
Aha! Trying to undersell KS to scare away predatory investors.
 
A SAASy question: do websites generally just convert companya.saasco.com/whatever into saasco.com/companya/whatever? Or is it possible with wsgi to serve on all subdomains and pick out the subdomain as part of the request?
 
6:28 PM
@Kevin Thankfuly no, only single instance
 
Slightly muddled question, sorry. Hope it makes sense.
 
ahhh that reminds me @davidism you can either add the "www" subdomain and point it at the same app, but I believe I just put an nginx redirect to remove the www and redirect to keep it consistent - up to you
 
@RobertGrant Huh, a subdomain is a different hostname, so your server listens on that hostname.
 
DSM
It's too hot and humid for me to enjoy the outdoors, but I'm going to brave it anyway. Rhubarb for all!
 
rbrb!
 
6:37 PM
@poke just wondering how Django's Sites framework does it
 
?
Where's DSM from?
 
cbg
 
I usually imagine you guys hailing from nice temperate areas with rolling hills outside the hundred acre wood.
 
The left! </obscure reference no one will get>
 
Is this really the definition of "Pythonista"?
...because if so, I may have to apologize to some people. o.0
 
6:44 PM
:)
 
It's temperate but not rolling here in Southwest NJ.
The Delaware valley is pretty flat, because it is a valley.
"But don't valleys slope upwards?" you ask? It's a big valley so you don't notice that kind of thing at a personal scale.
 
I'm seriously asking, btw. I'm not hip to all the lingo the kids are using these days...
 
No, it's not meant to be
P.s. your MK reference takes me back :)
 
@NoobSaibot Nah, that's just the natural negativity of UD shining through. For the same reason, you'll find that half of all name definitions are like "a big ugly jerk who's as dumb as a butt"
 
Ed Boon and Jon Tobias? Or something?
 
6:48 PM
@RobertGrant: Tobias Boon
@Kevin: Phew
Thanks.
 
Yeah, I mean those guys are who directed Mortal Kombat
It's their surnames
 
Hello!! Is someone of you familiar with Ackermann's function?
 
Impressive! Lol
 
@MaryStar please don't spam all the chatrooms
 
sorry
 
6:50 PM
Just ask a question on Stack Overflow if you have a specific programming question where you can show what you tried, what you expected and what didn't work.
 
I know exactly as much about the Ackermann function as one can learn from its Wikipedia article in five minutes
7
 
> How will I run [the program] when my laptop is turned off?
Best question of today…
 
@MaryStar what you're doing won't be worth a damn if you beg help for all the hard bits. It'll only screw you up later. As I say, spend time on the problem, and any specific issues you hit that fulfil the criteria I mentioned, ask on SO.
@poke my subdomain question not looking so bad now
 
I keep meaning to test whether I can execute programs while my laptop is on but locked, and I keep forgetting about it.
 
@RobertGrant Never really used Django, but usually you run wsgi application through some server in the front, e.g. uwsgi or nginx and both allow you to specify virtual hosts.
 
6:58 PM
Yeah that's what I'm going to have a look at, thanks. That's all Django's doing as well, I've just been reading.
 
Am I seeing double? There are two Noob Saibots here.
Although one of them can't talk because he has only one reputation. Hello noob lowercase S saibot! Please come back when you have more points!
 
Hello peeps
cabbage*
 
cbg @Jerome
 
Peeps, help me relieve my question from Martinj's back, he works hard enough yet: stackoverflow.com/a/22409540/1524913 I'm using his solution to create a Py2-Py3-compatible metaclass but I don't understand how it is supposed to work with inheritance.
Googling didn't help me so far (or at least googling "metalcass" inheritance didn't)
And tinkering around got me more confused :) I got a case that seems to not carry when I extend my class (Very similar to the example given by Martinj)
but
 
Can't say I've ever used metaclasses.
 
7:05 PM
But @with_metaclass(type(_str('Test'), (type,), {'__init__': lambda *args: print(args)})) does carry… (Sorry it is ugly I know :D it is just to test)
Kevin, it is a bit like a decorator, really. You can see how it works in Martinj's answer that reimplements it in a few lines worth of code.
 
All there is to know that is a bit esoteric is that you can create a class using type('ClassName', (parent1, parent2), {methods and whatnot})
Cabbage!
 
@JeromeJ so again, what's your question?
a metaclass is like the type there
 
@AnttiHaapala How inheritance carry or not with Martinj's metaclasses?
It seems to carry with the example I gave above, but with a real class (like the one featured in Martinj's answer) it doesn't seem to carry…
 
a class only can have 1 metaclass, the metaclass is inherited from the parents
 
7:09 PM
I can pastebin it for you here if needed.
 
please
 
Unrelated question. Are Python's builtin functions all defined in one file in the source? I've looked in modules and lib and objects and don't see anything likely.
 
on a related note, I refactored six out of 1 my projects
@Kevin no
they're in bltinmodule.c
the bindings... but then... the innards can be anywhere
 
The X to my Y is "where is the 3.X range object defined?"
 
re-cbg
Hiya @Antti ... Ate Happala today :D
 
7:13 PM
@Kevin that's the starting point
 
And the X to that Y is "does range.count run in O(1) time?"
 
@BhargavRao cbbg
 
@Antti thanks for the tips :-)
 
7:15 PM
@JeromeJ cbg! Howz the day going on?
 
@BhargavRao Solving my Z3 problem in my XYZ Z1 Z2 Z3 problem :) If ya know what I mean…
 
on whether the value is exactly a bool or an int
 
True. There's the check on line 559.
 
7:17 PM
I give Internet points to anyone who can help me figuring this one out.
 
@JeromeJ and where's the pastebin link?
 
Or give out a link to a resource that will help me to understand it better. Thanks in advance foxes.
@AnttiHaapala Not pastebin, sebsauvage.net/paste/…
Is it ok with you or do you want me reposting it on Pastebin?
 
Patch coding a lot off late!
I liked those last four lines of code
class Operation(object):
    pass

class SumExp(Operation):
   pass
The best in there
 
I'm so far/deep in my XY problem that I can't remember what was my X problem :D
 
So you’re at Z
XYZ problem.
 
7:20 PM
After XYZ? AA,AB,AC ??
 
@JeromeJ there is a very serious problem in your code.
@JeromeJ you're using tabs for indentation... :D
 
@BhargavRao Ahaha, I emptied their content because they were irrelevant. There are a bunch of stuff, including some __repr__ that I want to auto-patch if Py2
* facepalm *
:D
 
@BhargavRao XYZ[ according to this:
>>> chr(ord('Z') + 1)
'['
 
@AnttiHaapala Ikr... The worst nightmare of a python coder
 
@poke Amazing :o Yeah I must be about there or further!
 
7:22 PM
@JeromeJ \*wink\*
 
And after that [ the dreaded backslash
 
think I've developed an addiction to wok cooking
 
Tabs put aside, any other clues for me friends?
Tonight question is will I manage to fix it before going to bed or will the sun rise again before I go to my bed.
 
Strange, I remember "a" coming immediately after "Z" in the usual ANSI ordering. I must have fallen into a universe with a slightly different history. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
@JeromeJ the metaclass behaviour is inherited.
 
7:25 PM
I don’t really understand what you are trying to do there…
 
though did you realize that your if statement just checks if there's a __repr__ in this class, not in any super
 
Incidentally, this weekend I discovered there's an entire website dedicated to phenomena like that: The Mendela Effect. Warning: pseudoscience levels approaching 0.1 timecubes.
 
yes and why wouldn't it work?
 
By using from __future__ import unicode_literals, my __repr__ methods now returns an unicode object, which is invalid in Py2 (and mandatory in Py3). So I wanted to mass-patch my __repr__ methods with some decorators, automatically applied to all sub-classes of Operation using metaclasses (and I have to use that "hack" from Martinj to make metaclasses works both in Py2 and Py3)
 
*yes and why wouldn't it work?
 
7:28 PM
@AnttiHaapala Wouldn't they be already patched if in super? Anyhow, thanks for pointing it out, I should be careful about that even though presently all subclasses define their own __repr__
 
I modified the code to inject a __repr__ method unconditionally
and printing both Operation() and SumExp() I get that behaviour
and yeah, they'd be defined in super
@JeromeJ unicode_literals is not always a good thing
 
It doesn't seem to work in my live code, adding a print in ReprPatch.__new__ shows up only for Operation and no subclasses (as opposed to the Test metaclass dynamically defined at the bottom of my code)
I thought maybe I was doing something wrong here.
 
drop support for python 3.2 and use explicit u'' for unicode
 
If I could, I'd go full Python3 already…
 
ah wait :P
 
7:30 PM
Not the other way around.
@AnttiHaapala So it works for you? Py2?
 
ah you're correct it doesn't wokr: D
wait a sec
 
Phew… Relieved and not at the same time.
 
I just read my company's time formatting code and I want to cry.
 
Where it gets weird is that it does work for the live Test metaclass. The only difference I see is that Test literally doesn't modify anything.
 
I want to write a program just to make this crash and burn.
 
7:34 PM
:D You are plotting against your own company
Are you using a proxy right now? You could be monitored lol
 
@QuestionC Plot Twist: You are the CEO and you want to destroy ur company for the insurance
 
The only way to bring this place up to fire code is to burn it all down.
 
Damn, the clock is ticking on me…
I'm gonna look like a zombie again.
 
Why are you trying to do this yourself? There are plenty of 2/3 compat libraries out there already.
 
7:37 PM
@JeromeJ I'd say: forget unicode_literals
@JeromeJ the metaclass doesn't quite work like that for subclasses
 
I still don’t get what you are trying to do there…
 
Naooo :( really? Aren't you trying to fix "W" in my "XY" problem? … It gonna raise a lot of other troubles in my code now… :s
 
Actually, I'm going to call garlic on this. Looking back over pages of discussion, you've failed to describe a problem or respond to feedback clearly enough for me to know what's going on. Please take this to the main site.
 
@poke Lol
13 mins ago, by poke
I don’t really understand what you are trying to do there…
 
:|
 
7:39 PM
@JeromeJ hmmmhm
 
From the rule book
 
the problem is the __new__ of course
 
> Sometimes it’s better to cut your losses on a HV. A generic rule was suggested that “if the user still doesn’t get something simple after a page of conversation, it’s probably time to drop it.”. This, of course, is not a hard-and-fast rule.
 
@JeromeJ given that you've had this sort of communication problem numerous times before, I'm going to have to ask you to please stop posting questions here in chat until you are better equipped to work with us.
 
Problem X: Patching __repr__'s behavior so it works with Py2 and Py3 as seamlessly as possible. Problem Y: My current 'solution' (mass-decorating __repr__ with Py2-Py3-compatible metaclass) not inheriting. That is as simple as I can get.
 
7:44 PM
Use six and deal with it. End of discussion.
 
Okay, what’s problem W then? Why do you need to patch __repr__ for anything? What is the problem you are facing?
 
That was not an invitation to keep going with the conversation.
 
@davidism the problem is that @JeromeJ's metaclass is wrong
and I find it interesting enough to understand why it is wrong
 
Yes, but the problem in chat is that we're not getting anywhere. Post a real question that fully describes the problem.
 
@JeromeJ fixed:
if you print out any of the classes, they just say type
return super(ReprPatch, meta).__new__(meta, name, bases, body)
this is what you should return from your metaclass __new__.
all in all the metaclass probably still isn't the best way to do this. Just rip out the relevant methods from six.
 
7:48 PM
/me is still hoping that someone will eventually bother to tell me what the problem with __repr__ is… :(
 
and even better, do not use unicode_literals if it gives trouble. There are some things that need to be str in Python 2 and Python 3, it is impossible to do that with unicode_literals neatly. use b'' and u'' prefixes wherever it matters, and stop supporting python 2.5 and 3.2 :D
 
@poke In Py2, you must return a Py2-str and in Py3, you must return a Py3-str.
@AnttiHaapala I go back to you after testing it :) thanks!
 
and JeromeJ is using unicode_literals.
otherwise you'd just return whatever the '' gives you.
 
(and I can't install six)
 
Then look at what six did and duplicate it. End of discussion (again).
 
7:49 PM
Ripping out six? Like go check out the source code and grab what I need?
 
@JeromeJ and bitbucket.org/gutworth/six/src/… there it is in 1 file.
 
>>> class X (object):
        def __repr__ (self):
            return u'Not a str'

>>> X()
Not a str
huh
 
@poke now try it with some umlauts :P
and then try it within a list and so
 
@poke Yeah, add some unicode in it. Py2 is encoding it in your back to ascii there!
 
meh, who cares about umlauts in reprs?
 
7:51 PM
>>> foo()
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe4' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
python 3 allows everything.
 
Even I don’t care about umlauts, and I’m German!
 
I dislike having to "manually" import external lib like that, and try to avoid it in general, but if it boils down to that...
 
my User object reprs will print out the user's diplay name
 
@JeromeJ yes, just do that and stop going down this crazy rabbit hole. You can just vendor in the entire library
 
@JeromeJ six.py is 1 line, you can download it only and drop it anywhere
 
7:53 PM
@JeromeJ So instead, you unsuccessfully try to reinvent the wheel and fail, and the bother everyone else who is able to pip install six?
 
Also, the behavior is not consistent between Py2 and Py3. So if you want to make a code that works with both, I kinda guess unicode_literals is a must.
 
Python 2 and 3 are incompatible by design.
 
garlic garlic garlic garlic
 
@poke I was just trying to understand why it wasn't working. Maybe there was some obvious/dark knowledge going on here that I didn't know about, that I didn't manage to figure out on my own at the very least.
 
Conversation over. Kicked.
 
7:55 PM
That’s somewhat harsh
 
Oh well, I warned him. We went through another page of conversations without getting anywhere.
 
on a related note, six is pretty horrible
 
Is there any way to test webhooks when using a local environment?
 
@corvid There was this website.. let me find it
There, ultrahook!
Also ngrok.
 
oo, awesome, thank you poke!
 
7:58 PM
AnttiHaapala figured it out like a pro. I don't want to drag him in my personal problem here but yeah, I kind of stood by the same point as him. I found it interesting enough to be spoke about too. Not off-topic too. Gosh… and I keep advertising you peeps here as friendly, patient and genies. Too bad miscommunication falls back on us.
 
"End of conversation" is not an ambiguous phrase. Kicked.
 
You could even use requestbin or PostCatcher if you just need to look at the request.
Wow, there are way too many tools out there.
 
I am friendly and willing to help anyone with a clear understanding of the problem they have, but I don't have infinite patience.
 

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