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12:14 AM
anyone herE?
 
yep
 
12:46 AM
Heya guys. Quarter to 2 in the morning and I'm still awake.
 
Quarter to 3 in the morning and I'm still awake.
 
O.o
Hey :P
 
hi
 
Whatcha up to?
 
It's normal for me. I'm a night person.
Finishing a project up
and you?
 
12:47 AM
Ah, care to share details?
I'm in bed, procrastinating sleep.
3
 
It's a scraper, that I started working on a month ago, but didn't find time to finish
 
As in a sky-scraper?
 
lol, nope.
Web scraping (web harvesting or web data extraction) is a computer software technique of extracting information from websites. Usually, such software programs simulate human exploration of the World Wide Web by either implementing low-level Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP), or embedding a fully-fledged web browser, such as Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox. Web scraping is closely related to web indexing, which indexes information on the web using a bot or web crawler and is a universal technique adopted by most search engines. In contrast, web scraping focuses more on the transfor...
^this scraping :)
 
Ah. Bear with me whilst I read that.
Seems cool enough :D
 
However, good thing I have easter holidays atm. So I don't necessarily have to wake up early tomorrow :p
Yeah, I love web scraping.
 
12:50 AM
^ Ditto :D
 
It's really fun to do
Oh, you too? nice
 
I prefer GUI based stuff.
(Ditto to the hols thing :P)
 
Yeah, I figured lol
 
:P
If you want to see the thing I'm working on just search Youtube for 'TigaMail'.
Be warned - even though I'm a coding scrub, I am incredibly proud of it, even though the one on the video isn't what it is now. The latest version is much better.
 
Haha, nice :)
 
12:53 AM
:3
I'm currently working on custom SMTP sercers fron the user.
*servers
So it can use things other than Gmail (Shown) and Yahoo (Implemented but not shown).
5 minutes to 2 :3
 
Ah cool
What is it written in?
 
Python 3.3, the scrubbers language.
But I love Python.
It's also worth noting I've been coding for around a year, and am in Year 9.
 
Ah cool. Not bad.
I think I started around year 10 or so
 
What language did you start with?
 
Mainly with java
 
1:00 AM
Just hit 2 am ._.
And ouch, Java.
 
haha :P
Yeah, verbose and all.
But it get's the stuff done
 
One sec, lemme google verbose xD
 
lol
 
Ah, found it.
"Too many words".
 
Yeah
 
user3444876
1:02 AM
Cabbage :D
 
cbg Gaurav
 
I love Python - I've even made a couple of modules.
 
I love python as well
I have to make the switch to python 3.x though :/
 
user3444876
I was just exploring the various ways in which tkinter and socket can be used to perform hilarious pranks!
 
Python 3.x is great.
Gaurav, share with us!
 
1:04 AM
Yeah. And to be honest all the libs I use are already ported over to Python 3.x
 
Most will be.
 
So I don't know why I'm still hesitating
 
^
I prefer the 3.x syntax; it's much neater.
Everything gets contained in brackets.
 
Guido extended the lifetime of 2.7 to another 5 years just a few days ago though
so it's stick around for another few years
brackets? 0.o
 
I'm lost ._.
 
1:06 AM
By the lifetime extending part or the brackets part?
 
As in, rather than 2.x print "Foo" it becomes print("Foo").
The lifetime part.
 
@Iplodman Love that. I also do that a lot. And I’ll go there now too, so rhubarb all ^^
 
Ah, those. Yeah print is a function in python 3.x.
 
Mm. My bad for not using the lingo.
 
user3444876
@Iplodman Share the pranks?
 
1:08 AM
rhubarb poke!
 
Or the psuedo / what they do :P
I need someone to clear up what cabbage and rhubard mean in the context of this chat room.
*rhubarb
 
It's the salad language
A language that is only used in this room
 
Ahahah, thank you.
 
:)
 
user3444876
@Iplodman One of my favorites are to make a simple text editor and ask someone to test it.Then (in the code) have a server.What I made it do is basically insert the messages I send into the text they are editing
 
1:11 AM
Ahaha xD
"Yam!", he exclaimed as he stubbed his toe on the varnished bed frame.
 
user3444876
@Iplodman Then I got a socket client app and stood right by the person I was pranking as I sent the messages
 
Someone new viewed my video! Yaaaaay, success!
Ahh, that's cool.
(@Gaurav)
 
well, I did lol
 
:3
#RollinInThemViews
I've got to go, rhubarb everybody.
 
2:01 AM
cbg all
 
 
1 hour later…
3:06 AM
cbg
 
@scari Cbg :)
 
user3444876
3:50 AM
rhubarb everyone!
 
4:55 AM
Hello everyone I am having sometrouble in python can Anyone help me please ?
Can anyone please tell me how to access the member of superclass from the subclass(which inherits the superclass) in python ??
 
5:44 AM
@Broseph hi
 
@Hash Please check the question and confirm if the indentations are proper now?
 
I was gonna say, if by member you mean attribute, you just access it the same as any attribute, so long as it hasn't been overriden.
 
@thefourtheye thanks its perfect now
 
6:28 AM
Cbg
 
question here...
let's say that i have a dict with 1000 entries
i want to pass that Dict with sorted reverse=true 50 entries to some function
so i am guessing that first thing u will have to do is something let sorted list in that order and pass that something like like[:50]
 
 
1 hour later…
7:42 AM
cbg
 
cbg
 
Potato?
 
banana
getting some work done here which hopefully helps my utilisation =/
potato?
 
Good to hear... oh... I'm pleased to (albeit temporarily) have returned to the madness of my normal days rather than the chaos of the last week or so....
 
Cbg all
 
7:52 AM
@ffisegydd STEWIE!!!!!!!!
 
haha, those are always welcome :)
cbg @Ffisegydd
 
@Jerry can't really complain, some first class food and fantastic accommodation and company and opened doors for several new opportunities etc.... just a bit too much non-stop all in one go for this old puppy
 
@Jon Briiiian! I'd forgotten what you look like
 
@ffisegydd B.. B.. b... but don't you have a picture of me on the bedside table or something? Don't you see me in your dreams? I'm hurt Stewie - I'm hurt...!
 
Well I would do but I'm only a baby and babies have strange memories. That's why peek a boo is such an awful game to play. The baby literally thinks you don't exist anymore.
I can't remember the technical term
 
7:58 AM
Stupidity? ;-)
I always like Douglas Adams' take on that one
Can't remeber what it's called. The one where you put the towel over your head and because it believes you can't see it - it can't see you...
@ffisegydd this memory thing... is this why sometimes it's be nice to Brian... then othertimes you're trying to rip my tail off (I mean - did you have to go so far with the leg last time?)
 
Some new pages have been added to the wiki btw @Jon
And no that's just because I'm a psychopath
 
I saw... and think it's awesome stuff there...
If you noticed yesterdays transcript you will have seen I've drawn a worrying conclusion from this though :-(
 
Ah no I haven't been that far back
 
@ffisegydd I need to find another conclusion other than my attendance here is counter-productive to the sopython wiki
I'm going to blame the rabbits... it's the only next "logical" step
 
8:18 AM
Always blame the rabbits
 
Pupppy :)
BTW @Ffisegydd, do you happen to know what the missing page in the www.sopython.com/wiki page?
Should we also have something similar?
 
Hmm. Maybe. On what though? Python in general? We already have the wiki for that.
 
Umm.... not sure what we'd get over pointing to: docs.python.org/2/howto/regex.html
(in terms of regex stuff that is... or pointing them to @Jerry maybe...?)
 
I would've closed this question if I could though =/ I mean, I believe it's more of a blog post than a question/answer
 
Brb shower
 
8:32 AM
@Jerry Its a community post :)
 
@Jerry yup - probably why it's locked... but then, that's why we've got sopython so we can get around the having to be QA thing :)
 
@thefourtheye does that change anything?
I do agree with sopython
because it's not directly on SO - which is for QAs
it's like a complement to the QAs
 
That's what it's meant to be :)
 
exactly
 
Martijn did a nice post...
(nice little plug to sopython and why we chose that route instead of the C++-faq tag style route)
Umm... where was it on meta...
Woo hooo! Well, look what we have here... A real Stack Overflow meta. If you're curious about what happened today, see: Operation 'Split, All The Metas!'
 
8:45 AM
i'm trying to install MySQL-python on my thel5 live server. but it throws me "Error: mysql conflicts with MySQL-server-community"
*rhel5
 
Umm... googling that exact line gives:
1
Q: php-mysql version conflicts with Mysql server

user121196I have php 5.3 and mysql server 5.5 installed. I need to install php-mysql, but got the following conflict. How do I resolve this? yum install php-mysql Loaded plugins: fastestmirror Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * base: mirrors.versaweb.com * elrepo: elrepo.org * extras: yum...

Which is similar
and adding Python gives other results with similar things... try those I guess :)
 
8:58 AM
This barking at the orange ball in the sky is taking longer than anticipated to scare it off
 
9:11 AM
bbias
 
9:33 AM
heya @iroegbu
 
cbg
:D been taking Python classes on Coursera... it's kinda slow though
 
Is it a python for existing programmers, or python for new programmers course?
 
@JonClements Can I do something like this?

password = request.user.password
logout(request)
myuser = authenticate(username="test", password=password)
password looks like pbkdf2_sha256$12000$UlW4Pv07eo6F$4RarR2V/yyhzLTRYbMZ1vDxlL0PSJK3xZQ8LN16oWh0=
and it does not work
How to get around this?:)
 
@mamasi have you tried doing something like that? :p - I believe logout's work on the user objects though...
And there's not enough info. about why you want to do this - "how do get around this?" - my first response is - around what exactly!!!???? :P
 
@JonClements it's for new programmers... I wish I could find something for existing programmers
 
9:39 AM
Those ones tend to be horribly slow...
 
@JonClements I use github.com/samastur/Impostor and now I want to do this: dpaste.de/5ztN (login using my current password)
This works if I use here myuser = authenticate(username="admin", password="admin")
but password from password = request.user.password does not work
 
Okay.. so it sounds like the authentication lookup is expecting to hash the password itself and you would like to to not do that step...
 
@JonClements yes
 
No idea... I'd only end up having to look at the docs that are googleable or code... and you can do the former, and I don't have time for the later I'm afraid :)
Ahh okies... just got the Yearling badge on meta.so - what remarkable timing for the change-over :p
 
@JonClements ok, thanks:)
 
9:46 AM
Haha... if nothing... I can claim I'm the first to earn the "Yearling" badge on meta :)
Ahh scrap that... joint 2nd/3rd/4th/5th (lost enthusiasm to bother working it out properly now) with hundreds of others... sighs
Woo hoo... that's that done... now I can reboot to a decent OS
 
@Jon I'm close to 2000! Might make a push for it today/tomorrow before I go home for Easter. There will be a montage with 80s music involved.
 
10:24 AM
Cabbage everybody :D
 
@mamasi request.user.password is not raw text password I guess. It's the hash. Can't use that in authenticate.
 
Anyone know how to configure widgets in Python 3.3 (Tkinter)?
The code snippet: pastebin.com/NzVjEpsb
 
@Ffisegydd go STEWIE!!! I like this one
 
10:50 AM
Cabbage!
 
Cabbage poke!
That sounds odd out of context.
 
Best part about the MSE/MSO split: I can finally view voting details on posts! Yay!
 
BRAND NEW: CABBAGE POKE - THE GAME FOR -ALL- THE FAMILY!
Poke, you've lost me with MSE/MSO.
 
@poke you have all the power - muhahahahah
 
@Iplodman The Meta site for Stack Overflow was split into Meta Stack Overflow (SO’s actual meta site), and Meta Stack Exchange (the generic network meta site).
 
10:52 AM
@Bibhas yes
 
Okay, that just brought up more Q's than A's, as I am most obviously a scrub.
 
@Bibhas I have modified auth backend
 
@Iplodman Let me guess, you don’t know what a meta site is? :P
 
@Poke Well guessed.
xD
 
Well, in general, a meta site handles the organization of a Stack Exchange site. Basically, there are discussions on how to run the site.
So every Stack Exchange site always had its own Meta site that discussed that specific SE site.
Except Stack Overflow.
 
10:56 AM
Ah.
That clears it up a lot.
 
As the first in the family, its Meta site was always used to also discuss general Stack Exchange stuff, like technical stuff that would affect every site.
 
Cheers.
 
So to generalize that, they split MSO (Meta Stack Overflow) into a real meta site (like ever other SE site has), and MSE (Meta Stack Exchange) which will be only used for the general stuff.
 
@poke just reading back on the fun you guys had on splitting up the wiki, commanding the corners of the earth and such :)
 
That makes sense.
 
10:59 AM
@Jon We weren’t splitting the wiki… we were founding a state and split that up so we can all get our desired Reddit account names…
 
Thanks for clarifying... nods sagely
 
xD
 
I'll just retreat back to my shack, hum/speak to the cat, and see if I can make the pencil make a mark on a piece of paper again...
 
Anyone here got their own email address I could test with? For example: poke@yourSitesNameOrSomethingAlongThoseLines.com?
Just need to do some testing.
Of course I'd need an account :/
 
Sign up for a free account somewhere?
 
11:04 AM
Nah, I need the SMTP, and want to see how other sites handle it.
 
There's only really 3/4 major smtp servers - and they'll be compliant with most things
Why not just set up your own local smtp server and see how badly you can keep re-configuring that to accept/deny connections etc..
 
My point - I want my email client to accept more indie servers.
(Custom SMTPs and ports)
 
Then set up your own? :p
 
How would I go about that, Hamachi?
Actually, I'll google it.
 
Fantastic first step - good job! :)
 
11:07 AM
:3
 
bbias
 
Wait, would I not need a website to do this?
(@Jon)
 
@Iplodman what do you mean?
 
To set up an SMTP server, would I not need a website?
 
What's wrong with your local machine ?
 
11:15 AM
Does meta.stackexchange.com redirect you to MSO too? meta.stackexchange.com/questions works…
 
I don't end up on MSO for either
 
Nothing, (I assume) but I thought you had to have some kind of a site to do it with?
 
odd. restarting browser.
 
I came to the meta site.
 
@Iplodman you have to have a machine to install or run a server on...
 
11:16 AM
(although it can’t be the dns cache, can it?)
 
@Jon Ah, okay.
 
@Iplodman the phrase "I came to the meta site" - given the question, probably didn't help @poke there :p
 
@Jon Leave me alone, I'm a scrub ;-;
I came to the MSE then :P
 
meh
still doesn’t work
 
Has your browser still got a perm redirect in its cache for it - hence the redir?
 
11:19 AM
I don’t know
 
I had that before... some browsers keep a perm redir and thus don't even bother checking any further once it's been seen...
(or some do, but only after a certain time etc...)
(and some check every single time)
 
how can I reset that if I can’t CTRL+F5 it (without losing the full cache)?
 
That's what I'm not sure of :(
You can test it by trying a private/incog. session first... if that works, then it's cached the redir
 
The way Tkinter deals with boolean values is weird. When a check box is ticked, the value is false ._. Surely logic would dictate that it be true?
 
yeah, works there
18
A: Firefox 5 'caching' 301 redirects

Steve ParishIn Firefox if you have the "web developer" tool bar addon. You can click disable -> disable cache -> check for new version of page every time. Then reload the URL and it will refresh your cache. So you don't need to clear your full cache. From cptstubing06's comment, the following can help clear...

fixed
 
11:26 AM
@poke ooo... wish I'd have found that a while back... I just cleared FF's cache (nothing in it, but handy to know)
 
I googled it.
 
@poke looks like that's just got two new upvotes
 
:D
 
I'm afraid to use google... @Iplodman gives the impression it's inaccessible and strange :)
 
WHY DOES THAT CONFUSE ME? ;-;
 
11:31 AM
Wow... parenting.se certainly catches the eye in the hotlist :)
cbg @Abhishek :)
 
Cabbage @Jon & everyone , Potato?
 
bananas melon..... you all banana ?
 
watermelon, i am fine.
 
@JonClements First thought when reading the title: “That’s cool. Let her have that experience.”
 
The "Huh" in the title I'm not too happy with
 
11:46 AM
I skipped that.
“We had to tell her that there is absolutely no way she can have sleepovers” so mean…
 
I only glanced at the post... just saw title, sounded like it might be spam/likely to attract spam, thought it might be worth a glance... then lost interest
 
well tl;dr: Girl had feelings, mother tore them apart. Meh.
 
Good summary. I had a feeling that'd be the kind of thing solely based on the way I read the title...
 
Parents are so predictable…
 
Hi all, I'm getting started with Django and making a simple blog app to learn and am wondering (for example), should I be separating 'Blog' and 'Tags' into separate apps within the project? I'm having difficulty really understanding a rule of thumb for when to separate apps.
 
12:02 PM
I would... a blog could make use of tags, but conceptually, non-blogs could make use of tags for other things... unless they're exclusively blog tags :)
 
cbg all
 
Ok, thanks, it's a bit hard trying to wrap my head around this
 
cbg my favourite Ninja! :)
 
@poke I saw you and @Abhishek and thought "who are all of these other new people??!!" then I realized i'm in the wrong room. Its like highschool chemistry all over again.
 
@rlemon better than mis-reading the signs for public toilets I guess....
 
12:09 PM
I hate when they try to be clever and just end up confusing you
 
Well... it's one of those no matter how bad the signage there's a reluctance to ask anyone should someone be available. So you end up effectively loitering and looking dodgy...
The other day, I couldn't work out quite which was which, there were four of them
So ended up going for the other that had the smallest dress, that probably wasn't carrying a circle
 
@rlemon In which room did you think you were? JS? I’m not new there either! D:
 
no, you are not. I meant everyone else :P
poor wording
 
Ah, I see :D
 
brb guys
 
12:22 PM
When a Tkinter GUI doesn't respond. replygif.net/i/724.gif
 
It must be thinking real hard about something.
 
Would "I have an alternate SMTP which is... _______ whose port number is... ____" make sense?
 
It may be useful to use threading here - if send_email takes half a minute to execute, then you can give it its own thread separate from the GUI's, so the window will continue responding to user input
It doesn't make sense to me, but I'm generally uninformed about email
So... Depends on your target audience, I guess
 
YAM YEAH! I got custom SMTPs to work :D
 
Guten Tag :)
How ya all doin?
 
12:31 PM
About average for a Thursday
 
@Games Cabbage :D
I'm good, and yourself?
 
@Kevin Glad to see you alive and sarcastic as usual :)
@Iplodman Had the worst exam of my life. But I'm happy that its over, not because it happened :P
 
@Games Oh noes D:
 
Ahh who cares, university is a waste anyways
 
"GIVE US YO' MONEY, PUNK!" - University
 
12:34 PM
@Iplodman I think that might actually happen one day.
 
Just a thug comes in to take your money.
The thug being Boris in (another) wig.
I need your opinions guys, what's more important in an email client out of:
Cc and Bc, attachments or the ability to hide and show your password?
 
@tristan Heya, need a couple of pointers on bash, give me a ping if you drop by :)
 
Just implement them all.
 
I am, but in which order?
:c
 
By the way, use config to alter a widget's attributes, after you've created it
 
12:38 PM
I'm leaning towards hide/show the password, as that sounds fun.
 
Implement them in alphabetical order.
 
Oh, thanks :3
Ah so that would be attachments, ability to hide and show passes, then Cc/Bc :P
 
@Kevin I see what you did there ;)
 
My plan is to be needlessly bossy so he doesn't spend too much time worrying about the "right" order
Sometimes a confident decision is better than a good one! :-)
 
Why did I receive a notification saying that the python room moved? does this happen often? why does this happen?
 
12:48 PM
When did you get this notification?
It makes sense if it was from, like, a year ago, when there were two Python rooms and one was closed in favor of the other.
 
i got it last night
 
The "Everything Python" room's last transcript just notifies of a title change to that room...
 
I don't think this room has moved in any meaningful way. The URL is the same as it was a month ago, at least
Good ol' room 6
 
yeah, I guess.
weird.
 
Cabbage everyone!
 
12:52 PM
@bohrax cbg!
 
@JonClements Hi, how are you doing?
 
I'm doing banana thank you... pace has slowed down a bit now... so can relax a little bit for easter... :)
 
@JonClements Great! Settled in in your new crib?
 
Yeah... all cool thanks.... I dare say it's verging on being presentable :)
 
Bananas!
 
12:55 PM
@JonClements have you received my ping+message the other day?
btw cbg 4 all
 
@PeterVaro cbg!
 
@Peter are you referring to the one re: Fermats or something? Sorry... a lot of catch up on, and things like @'s probably got missed...?
 
Cabbage!
 
@Fenikso cbg!
 
Cabbage Fen!
 
12:56 PM
@JonClements no, you did not missed since that's the one we are talking about ;)
 
@Peter well, glad you enjoyed it - even if not one of your favourites
 
cbg @poke
@JonClements the only thing that bothered me is the lack of true math challanges
 
cbg, accidentally closed the window again… <_<
 
those tests were.. you know.. pretty old and classics
@poke :P
 
Documentation for the stuff I did not do myself and fixing crap that another people did not have time to fix sucks! Ahhh, now I feel much better...
 
12:58 PM
@PeterVaro True... but to some people it's new... I just liked the concept mostly
 
Cbg @poke
 

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