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7:49 PM
Election ends in 10 minutes
 
Election closes in 45 seconds.
 
OMG! SO nervous!
It's closed.
 
Interesting, we had tens of thousands more eligible voters than we did in the Jan/Feb election, and three times as many eligible voters visited the election page as last time, but the number of people who actually cast ballots was virtually the same.
 
8:04 PM
Well, congrats to our new mods!
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I don't mind saying that I'm highly surprised by the results.
 
I was surprised Brad didn't make it
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@MichaelMyers I second that.
(I'm not surprised that I lost. But I am surprised by who beat me.)
Hmm, was I 5th?
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson In future news, congrats new mod!
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Everyone I talked to voted for Brad. Then again, I only talked to one person.
 
8:10 PM
@LordTorgamus Perhaps they will do that again. I seem to always be the 'bubble boy'
 
I think OMG Ponies was actually 5th. It's hard to read.
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson At least you're not like Ivo, who ended up as 1st of the runner ups the in the Gaming election. Twice. In a row.
 
Hey guys, I'm late. What's shaking?
@MichaelMyers OH MY GOD
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@BoltClock Congrats!
@MichaelMyers I think you are right.
 
@awoodland Me too!
 
8:13 PM
@BoltClock Admit it: you personally visited the house of every Singaporean SO user to campaign. (Seriously though, congrats!)
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson Thanks so much! You were my second choice - I can't believe you lost again :(
 
@LordTorgamus The ominous Yi Jang-Tim Post-Boltclock voting triangle. Obviously.
How come I didn't think of this earlier.
@BoltClock Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I already have my conspiracy theorist hat on.
 
Yi Jiang probably hacked the election. Somehow.
 
I'm certainly not stopping at naive stuff like facts.
 
@BoltClock I am a bit disapointed. But I know that you and the other new mods will do great.
@badp Yeah. Ivo has it rough too.
 
8:16 PM
who won?
 
@Neal scroll ^ or look -->
 
@Neal Starred list.
 
hmmmm
why did it only do a count of 1st choices?
 
It's a really complicated system. It doesn't just check the 1st choice.
 
Nov 18 at 20:19, by Lord Torgamus
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Q: How are moderator election votes counted, in plain English?

Popular DemandThe election page sidebar states that Stack Exchange elections use the Meek STV vote-counting method: After 4 days, the final voting results will be freely downloadable from this page forever, and we will calculate the 3 winners using OpenSTV with the Meek STV method. How does it work? I su...

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Sorry, @BradLarson. I'll vote for you again next time!
 
8:22 PM
Well, that's unfortunate. I wonder what happened between the primaries and the final election to go from 3rd to ~7th (if I read the results right).
I guess I'll just keep on bothering the new moderators with my flags.
 
@BradLarson casper and nulluser had giant leaps the other direction. I wonder why.
 
@BradLarson -gulp-
 
@BoltClock Oh, if you only knew...
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson It could be that the limited subset of tags that I've answered in just didn't make me a good first, second, or third choice for people due to visibility. That, and my nomination statement was one fifth the size of CasperOne's.
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson I would guess that the type of person who voted for Anna in the primary also voted for Bolt, Brad, OMG and you; and the type of person who voted for casper also voted for Null; and there wasn't much crossover between the groups.
 
jrg
8:27 PM
@BoltClock now I feel like a fool for not being in here earlier. :P Congrats!
 
And since there are only three votes per user in the final election, we ended up with two mods from each group.
 
@jrg ;D
 
I also feel bad for George, because he once again got no recognition for the actual cleanup work he does.
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@LordTorgamus interesting. I wish we could analyze the votes for patterns like that.
 
I.e. all the people who liked you and Brad ended up electing Anna and Bolt.
 
8:28 PM
Oh well.
 
jrg
@BoltClock :D
 
Congrats again new mods :)
Gotta run to a meeting.
 
@JustinjjnguyNelson Thanks! and enjoy.
 
jrg
@BoltClock telling people to enjoy a meeting is like telling them to enjoy hell.... it doesn't work like that. ;)
 
@jrg It's called optimism.
 
8:29 PM
Congrats to the winners
 
@BradLarson Theory: People voted for casperOne hoping that the nomination statement would disappear
 
@MichaelMyers Theory: "tl;dr I vote casperOne"
 
jrg
@BoltClock Perhaps it's a little too optimistic...?
 
Are there any formalities we have to go through before/besides receiving our coveted diamonds?
 
@BoltClock You may end up regretting this. In any case, I'm sure you'll do a great job.
 
8:33 PM
@BoltClock I'm sure you will get an email from the SE team.
 
Then you'll have to sign the agreement forfeiting certain key body organs in case of emergency
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Strictly routine, of course. Everyone's doing it. It doesn't really mean anything.
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8:56 PM
@MichaelMyers Considering I'm in NYC near the main body of the dev team, I'm glad I didn't win :-P
 
@ircmaxell While I'm on the other side of the world...
 
Lucky you :-D
 
9:14 PM
@Neal It picks the first winner using 1st choices.
In this case no candidate had enough 1st choices to win immediately, so it had to use 1st choices to prune out the weakest candidates, even if they then had large amounts of 2nd and 3rd choices
(Typically this doesn't happen.)
 
@badp Which means if 95% of the people identify someone as their second choice, they won't get elected since they will be pruned at the first step
 
@ircmaxell Basically. I'm checking if this was the case
 
@badp I think this is the weakest link for people to understand STV.
You didn't really vote for any of your second and third choice people (until your first choice gets either elected or eliminated)...
and you better hope your second choice wasn't already eliminated. We're starting to use instant runoff voting in Minnesota and talking with people in general shows that few can really understand what happens without running software simulations like we have here)
 
Just a second, I'm making a graph
 
Ohh, Graphs.
I spent all day mucking with Spring.NET.
It's Beer time.
 
9:28 PM
@bmike Er. Is there any other possibility?
 
@MichaelMrozek A lot of people "feel" they got three votes - not one vote and somehow hoped first place got +3, second gets +2 and third +1 and once all the votes get tallied, the software picks people with the most broad support. [i know this isn't how it works, but it's how many people expect it to work when they are new to STV]
 
This time around as well, there's no candidate with 85% of second choices)
 
Here's the raw votes, compiled (1st + 2nd + 3rd for each candidate):
BoltClock => 1689
Stu Thompson => 674
ircmaxell => 605
awoodland => 655
Brad Larson => 1131
OMG Ponies => 1389
NullUserException à° _à°  => 1561
casperOne => 1558
Anna Lear => 1808
Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson => 1247
George Stocker => 788
Jeremy Banks => 712
 
Candidates are sorted as OpenSTV ranks them - 1st is the winner with 1 seat, 2nd is the winner that's added with 2 seats, and so on.
Also 97 voters fail elections forever for providing no 1st choice (but a 2nd or a 3rd)
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@badp So their votes aren't counted at all?
 
9:34 PM
@MichaelMyers I have no idea. I think theirs are.
 
@MichaelMyers Their second choices should automatically be promoted, although I believe the behavior is undefined, strictly speaking.
 
I would guess it's the same as picking a 1st and 2nd choice
 
Since their second choices get whatever part of the vote that wasn't used by the first choices, and the first choices each used 0% of the vote.
 
Who votes that way? I scanned the list and voted for the person I liked the most that didn't already have a vote. Then I did it again. Then I did it a third time. Then I was done
 
@MichaelMrozek Three passes? How inefficient. I used three pointers.
 
9:37 PM
@badp I've just got to say what an amazing group of people that made the final cut to elections and are shown here on the graph. It would be an honor to make "lanterne rouge" on this contest.
 
Thanks for expanding my general fund of knowledge, @bmike!
The Lanterne Rouge is the competitor in last place in a cycling race such as the Tour de France. The phrase comes from the French "Red Lantern" and refers to the red lantern hung on the caboose of a railway train, which conductors would look for in order to make sure none of the couplings had become disconnected. Cultural uses In the Tour de France the rider who finishes last, rather than dropping out along the way, is accorded a distinction. Riders may compete to come last rather than just near the back. Often the rider who comes last is remembered, while those a few places ahead are f...
 
How do i make someone a room admin?
 
cool
 
9:39 PM
He's a mod, so he could already do everything owners can do anyway
 
Buwhahahaha!
Hey, don't give it away
 
@MichaelMrozek :-P
i was testing
 
cool
 
Well now you've angered him
 
9:43 PM
↑ people that fail at elections forever have thus voted
 
I guess casperOne wins the "I really don't want anybody of these but if I really needed to choose one of those I'd probably go for him" prize
:P
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ yes. yes you did
 
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ Seriously? Someone told you that on Meta half an hour ago. I participated in the comment thread.
 
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ Congrats
 
@LordTorgamus I still find this hard to believe
 
9:45 PM
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ Same reaction here.
 
@LordTorgamus I was way behind jjnguy
and OMG ponies
in the primary
 
2 hours ago, by BoltClock
@MichaelMyers OH MY GOD
 
@BoltClock Hehe congrats
 
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ You too!
 
I'm astonished at the results, but for the most part not terrified
 
9:47 PM
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ for various definitions of way behind (I was way behind, relatively)
 
Not to mention Brad Larson didn't get elected... This is probably the most surprising of all
 
Oh man it's almost 6 am
I can't sleep
Not even for the last time before I commence my... duties.
 
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ I can't believe Brad didn't get elected, and I can't believe casper did. I'm still hung up on both of those
 
@BoltClock Start now!
Just make a list of things that need burninated, and then once the diamond arrives, tear through it all like a banshee.
 
The one thing I was sure of was that Anna Lear would win by a landslide
 
9:55 PM
I wasn't, I didn't think she was particularly well-known on SO
 
@MichaelMrozek I suspect, but have no evidence, that SO voters contain a disproportionate amount of Programmers SE users.
 
@LordTorgamus If that were true she would've lost massively :)
 
Well. Someone I disliked got elected in February, and the SO world didn't end. I'm going to assume the same thing is going to happen this time -- until evidence to the contrary presents itself -- and get back to work.
 
10:18 PM
@JustinjjnguyNelson I expected to gain some ground because IIRC I got the most downvotes out of all candidates who got to the election phase. Since you can't vote against people in the election, I expected to beat people who were ahead of me.
I didn't expect to win though... I thought I would end up in 5th place because you still had me beat by a good amount of votes.
 
@MichaelMrozek For the fun of it, I tabulated your STV ranking results vs. nomination statement length: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/113287/135615 . Casper's nomination statement clearly helped him (occupying 35% of the total space on the page), as did BoltClock's.
 
Coincidence, or not: the 4 winners were active (with at least 49 posts) in
 
@BradLarson I don't understand the ranks you've used. casperOne didn't have the most votes in any round.
 
@ircmaxell I got 47... That's hardly "active" (considering I have ~700 posts)
 
Fair
 
10:26 PM
@MichaelMyers I may be reading the STV results wrong, but isn't a higher number better on the results listing? Casper ends up with the highest score in round 10, so I assumed that correlated to a ranking.
 
(and wasn't implying anything, just pointing it out
 
@MichaelMyers Never mind, I was reading the rounds wrong. I'll fix that table.
@MichaelMyers I've now tagged casperOne as a tie for second, given that he and BoltClock passed the threshold in the same round, and moved Anna up to her proper first place. I believe the rest are relatively accurate.
 
@BradLarson Well, you didn't win (I think most expected you to)... But the Packers are still undefeated. That counts for something, doesn't it?
@casperOne Hey, look at who's a new moderator!
 
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ Huh, what?!?! Thanks!!! I needz moar diamond!
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ I'll be honest, I thought there were people much more qualified. Everyone who was serious about it for the right reasons deserves it just as much as I.
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ But I'm grateful, and will do my best to be good and effective. Thank you for the congrats.
 
10:42 PM
@NullUserExceptionఠ_ఠ Yup, got to keep your priorities straight. It's been a good year all around. Honestly, I have fun with the elections, no matter how they turn out. We some great folks in last time, and everyone is certainly up for the task this time.
 
@casperOne My amused analysis of your nomination statement aside, nicely done. You certainly laid out your positions and qualifications well, and I'm certain you'll be a great moderator. However, I should warn you now that you may get tired of my flags.
 
Congrats to @BoltClock, @AnnaLear and @NullUserException on making mod as well.
@BradLarson: I totally expect to be completely overwhelmed very quickly. =) Bring it. And thank you, it's much appreciated.
@BradLarson And while not running on a platform of humor, I'm glad you got a chuckle out of the nomination statement. I was worried I overdid it. It was a bit nerve-racking.
@PaŭloEbermann Now only if you can explain what it means. =) It's not what I'd call easily grokable off the bat.
 
@casperOne Sorry for not saying anything first ... this was an experiment to see if the legend is enough. Obviously not.
It shows the correlation of first and second choices in this election.
For example, most people who voted for OMG with first vote, gave the second vote to BoltClock.
This holds the other way around, too.
 
11:19 PM
New version with sligthly better descriptions:
 

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