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5:22 PM
Preventing this room from freezing ... once we enter the primary phase, it'll probably get more use.
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8:53 PM
@LordTorgamus It's started, but it's still pretty quiet
 
@awoodland True. Oh well, the cost of keeping the room open is minimal. Perhaps it'll pick up around town hall chat time.
 
OMG UNICORNS
 
Hiya all.
 
maybe it's picking up now actually!
 
 
9:01 PM
@Moshe why vote you? :-P
 
@Neal Read the card, says it all,
 
I'm slightly surprised they allow candidates to vote
I sort of assumed I wouldn't be allowed
 
If candidate voting causes major changes in the outcome, then we have a bigger problem.
 
true.
 
@awoodland emmm presidential nominees are able to vote in elections. I am just surprised that we are able to vote down which does not exist in a real election...
 
9:06 PM
Bah
 
@Neal And yet I think it would make the result more fair somehow.
 
@Neal where I come from we don't have a president, but I see your point.
 
Love this guy, hate this guy and meh who cares if this guy gets in.
 
downvote makes weights it towards consensus more
 
@mootinator agree there...
 
9:07 PM
so in first past the post you could have a 51% candidate who 49% of people despise
but if those 49% had a downvote too that candidate would never win
 
true... They would lose to the person who had 3% for and 1% against...
 
Wow, I'm surprised markus withdrew. We're electing four moderators, man!
 
but with multiple votes getting to a situation where only 4% of people voted on a given candidate implies there were too many candidates or other problems
 
quite true...
 
@Neal What the heck is a "real election"? There are plenty of different voting schemes in existence. Just because downvotes don't exist in local government elections where you're from -- I assume this is what you meant by "real" -- doesn't make this system invalid/bad/wrong/[your favorite negative adjective here].
 
9:13 PM
@LordTorgamus sorry. US elections.
@LordTorgamus name me a place that has downvotes in their elections lol
 
@awoodland Unless the 51% despised all the other candidates.
 
We just studied voting methods in my math class.
 
A strong partisan would always downvote everyone but their preferred candidate, but not everyone is a strong partisan.
 
A fire department I was once a member of.
 
@LordTorgamus a place. meaning. a country, city, state, (etc) not a fire department lol
 
9:16 PM
Ouch, I'm below zero again. Palm card was a bad move, apparently.
 
:-(
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 10 mins ago, by Jeremy Banks
Is it possible to get the candidate's votes/nomination posts through the API? It doesn't look like it...
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Soooo
 
Yes?
 
I think this page needs an update for SO ;)
Disapproval voting is any voting system that allows many voters to express formal disapproval simultaneously, in a system where they all share some power. Unlike most voting systems, it requires that only negative measures or choices be presented to the voter or representative. If used to select candidates for an office, or for continuation to a next round of voting or play, it is either single- or multi-winner, as everyone who is not disapproved of is in effect a winner, for that round. A referendum or a recall election may be said to be minimal forms of disapproval voting. However, u...
 
9:24 PM
Disapproval voting, like what happened with Sarah Palin in the US 2008 elections!
 
9:37 PM
@LordTorgamus, I'm sorely disappointed you didn't run.
 
Heh.
 
I wonder how closely primary votes track with eventual election results.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 2 days ago, by Popular Demand
Submitting a nomination would take time and effort that I should put into other things. If I did go through with it, I wouldn't make it into the primary phase because of my low rep. Even if we didn't end up with more than 30 candidates running, I wouldn't be electable because of my relative anonymity. And if I were somehow elected, I wouldn't do a good job being a diamond moderator (or, at least, I wouldn't do as well as some of the other candidates).
 
@LordTorgamus Well, the actual election doesn't allow downvotes, so you'd be looking only at upvotes from the primary.
@LordTorgamus I challenge points two and three, though I'm not in position to judge points one and four.
 
I'd be intersted in comparing both "total primary score after X amount of time" and "primary upvotes only after X amount of time" with the final election outcome.
 
Well, if you ran as "Lord Torgamus" and no one connected you with Popular Demand, then point three stands also.
 
9:42 PM
My first reaction to that is "only people who visit MSO would recognize Popular Demand," but I suppose it's possible that the people who end up voting tend to be the people who visit MSO.
Thank you for the vote of confidence, though. When Shog first suggested it, I thought he was making some kind of joke where the humor comes from the randomness/bizarre-ness. And any time anyone else mentioned it, Shog was there, so I figured they were just piling onto his joke.
 

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