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4:00 PM
@Rizier123 probably, yeah. It's Rails, it's safe against most attacks.
@BhargavRao you can access review if Undo approves your account. other than that, not much
oh, logged in users get a way higher page size limit in search JSON
 
@ArtOfCode Do we have metasmoke t-shirts which I can wear and show off?
 
anons get 100, signed in get 10k
@BhargavRao unfortunately not, unless you wanna persuade Stack Exchange to make 'em for us
 
That's sad :-(
 
I did think about doing Smokey swag for the 30k milestone that we're about to hit, but $$$
 
@ArtOfCode One-time killer. But it's his job.
 
4:05 PM
@TIPS At the moment it's all been because I'm trying to make offensive {} more accurate and finding that some tps really shouldn't be tps. :)
 
tps?
 
TP's
true positives
 
@Tunaki Toaster Pea
 
@Drew sorry, still at work
I only join if I receive a message from you :)
 
Alright I am signed up on metasmoke
 
4:10 PM
so I see
 
@NathanOliver you have the wrong username
 
> NathanOliver60097
 
Dang it. @ArtOfCode Can I change it?
truncate it to just NathanOliver?
 
> Accounts require manual activation. Ping @Undo in chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq
Should I ping or can you do it?
 
4:12 PM
it's a database thing
 
@NathanOliver I think you just did
 
@Undo Did you get a ping with my quote?
 
Aye
Approved
 
huh. Thanks. Sorry for the miss ping
 
Admins have supah powahs, but not DB access - and there's no interface to approve accounts without the DB.
 
4:14 PM
I see. Thanks for the help guys. I am all set up now.
 
Yeah... people think that SO moderators get more pings than they can handle, but I really don't. I don't really mind getting pinged on stuff ;)
 
@Undo 21 could probably be approved too ;)
 
OK. I just didn't actually mean to ping you(well not then at least)
 
done
 
that leaves us with... 18 review-approved accounts. Sweet
 
4:16 PM
Now we just need links on the website to get to the new pages :)
 
Heh. Oh yeah. I forgot you lot won't have links :) I do, from the admin dashboard.
 
@ArtOfCode that's why I was asking how to do it :)
 
lol. Silly admins testing with admin privs
 
afk for lunch
 
/admin/invalidated
 
4:19 PM
all that spam talk made gunr hungry :)
 
afk
 
What's the latest on the Edit Monitor?
Has it grown up to be among the pros here?
 
@Nath @gunr links will be available in the user dropdown menu (right-hand side of the topbar) when Undo next deploys MS
 
Sweet. Thanks.
@BhargavRao AFAIK it is still in the trial phase.
grrrr Schools should not be allowed to teach students C++ with a 20+ year old compiler.
 
4:38 PM
@NathanOliver I'd be okay with that if it replaced Java ;)
 
Java ain't 20 year old ... Oh Wait, Time flies :(
 
:p I just think it does such a disservice to the people they are trying to teach. When they enter the "real world" they will have to relearn the language.
 
links deployed
 
Saweeeet
 
4:54 PM
@NathanOliver wut, if you have no eligible answers on the tag it shouldn't show it to you
 
5:05 PM
@BhargavRao Java is old. But every version is bringing it anew :)
 
@Tunaki Yep, I started learning Java \o/
 
Woot. The light is upon you.
 
Java: The Lord of Light claims your flesh as sacrifice.
 
See I wrote Python today. And I lost 10 minutes because of the indentation :p
 
@Tunaki emacs
 
5:08 PM
better, vi.
 
I lost 20 minutes using Java because of PC, PSVM and stuff
 
Writing indented Python code in vi is... interesting.
 
vi doesn't have built-in helpers for most languages
heck, vi doesn't have helpers
 
Gotta leave, Bye all.
 
Sam
Cya
 
5:10 PM
-comments        -langmap         -python          -viminfo
-conceal         -libcall         -python3         -vreplace
 
@Braiam Yeah?
 
@NathanOliver yes
 
> You think the 100+ non-answers a day we see now due to the 50-rep comment threshold are bad?
More like 1000 a day :)
 
hmm. Maybe because there are not that many meta tags it is using them to fill out the results
 
5:16 PM
@Rizier123 I'm leaning towards bad. How would it work? How do you confirm a telephone number?
You could do it like Poker accounts do it: send in your ID card. That would be very restrictive.
 
@Tunaki You get an SMS from SO and you have to click on a link to register it.
 
back from lunch, then out again for meetings
 
@Rizier123 My phone doesn't allow that for example.
 
@Tunaki What kind of weird phone do you have? :P
 
Old one :p
If you make people register an account upon ID confirmation or phone confirmation: there is no bot account also.
 
5:18 PM
@Rizier123 two tin cans and a string
 
Or it would need special dev to "link" a bot account to your main account
 
@Rizier123 Yeah why not? :D
 
That would even reduce moderation time which we spend on new questions.
 
5:32 PM
@ArtOfCode what does "(From Review)" as "Feedback Creator" mean?
 
@Tunaki means it was done from review rather than from chat
Hover over it and it might tell you who it was
 
@ArtOfCode Okay, but what is exactly from review?
 
basically another way to feed back on SD reports
 
Ah
 
useful for catching things that we missed in chat
 
5:34 PM
Great!
 
5:47 PM
Why is that: meta.stackexchange.com/q/21592 all of the sudden on meta.SO?
 
> [User requests feature already in product]
Junior dev: "lol dumb user"
Staff dev: "Closed - fixed"
Senior dev: <opens usability bug>
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So true :(
 
@JAL no need, I've got it
 
JAL
thanks Undo!
 
it is commmmmmming?
 
Sam
5:58 PM
@Braiam So is Christmas.
And the singularity.
 
See: imgur.com/nfAAOeC (Please note the red freehand circle)
@AlexanderO'Mara ^^ Why did it all of the sudden appear on meta.SO there was no update since 2 years on that question
 
@Rizier123 Can votes or comments bump a question?
 
@Rizier123 it got migrated?
 
@AlexanderO'Mara no
 
6:11 PM
@rene Wouldn't you see that in the timeline?
 
well, if a question gets reopened, it does
 
@Rizier123 not on the site it is on, I think
 
I am still confused on what is going on. What question should not be showing up?
 
@Rizier123 well done
You all keep your votes I hope for the event at 20:00 UTC?
 
6:16 PM
I have 35 left
 
I'm also under 40
 
Sam
I haz 50.
 
to much poo has been coming in to save them all :(
 
I have 41!
 
I think I'm gonna win this one
 
6:22 PM
@Undo Infinity is not a valid vote number :P
 
@Rizier123 NaN?
 
@Undo So do you guys get a counter or does it just show an infinity symbol?
 
@NathanOliver It always shows 50
 
That's just not fair.
 
Mine always shows 0.
2
 
JAL
6:26 PM
I don't know what y'all are talking about
 
God morning!
 
Sam
Hiya
 
6:38 PM
> tanks for replay, but no problem not fixed
D:
 
@Braiam :D
 
@Braiam Well solve their problem ;)
 
@Braiam just replay your answer. Some songs get better if you hear them a second time...
 
Any python peeps in here?
 
maybe
 
6:48 PM
perhaps
 
looks away
 
@NathanOliver looks like typo yes
 
I figure it is like a missing { or } in C++
 
@NathanOliver why do people even answer that :(
 
6:51 PM
Sad isn't it. Although the upvoted answer also added that they are using an uninitialized variable. On that fact I am going to leave it alone.
Oh well now it is closed.
 
I would have thrown a delete vote, had I got delete votes left
 
I favorited, will delete later
im out as well
 
cya o/
 
It only needs one more.
 
@NathanOliver True, but the question itself is about "expected indented block".
 
6:53 PM
Bye
 
I threw a delete vote on, ass did someone else, 1 to go.
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Yeah I just realized that. It is more of "and this will be your next problem"
 
@PraveenKumar no difference for spam or rude in the smoke detector feedback?
 
@Adriaan I don't think so
 
@Adriaan Er...
Nopes...
 
7:24 PM
@Adriaan nope, they map to k internally
 
@NVZ Hi, are you here?
 
welp, I'm about to break my own record and make that three new features for metasmoke today
 
user3956566
wow interesting meta question meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324220/… and with the most downvoted lot of answers I've seen on such up voted question. Interesting. Good question. Harder to find a good solution.
 
user3956566
@ArtOfCode what?
 
There's now an API available for metasmoke. Documentation available here, ping me if you want a key to use it.
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Pretty experimental right now, we'll see how it goes. There is scope to add more routes to it, as long as they don't expose PII.
 
user3956566
7:28 PM
well done @Art
 
@ArtOfCode Osum..
 
@Yvette That is indeed a great question to ask. I like your answer there. I guess it could also lead to users creating lots of new accounts, posting random answers and ring upvoting them (to get the 500). (well more than now).
 
user3956566
@Tunaki that is true and I thought of that also. But then whenever there's a rule created, there's always a ways to break it hey
 
Me wonders what percentage of Q's asked per day are from new accounts.
 
@NathanOliver +80% last time I saw
 
7:33 PM
@NathanOliver lots
 
@Yvette Yeah that's unavoidable...
 
no, actually is 80% of all questions come from users that ask a single question
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver imagine if we didn't have to close them if they don't become visible
 
@Braiam Well that kills any kinda queue. That would be a ton of question per day that would be feed into a queue.
@Yvette So we want good new question to languish in a queue and hopefully one day they are found and approved?
 
user3956566
@NathanOliver it would have to be trialled
 
user3956566
7:36 PM
with review rep privileges and number of positive reviews kept very liberal I guess. It may not work.
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, I don't like this idea. Not to mention, it goes against what Stack Exchange was founded on.
 
@NathanOliver Maybe at first. But after some time, the hit n runners will have gone to Reddit.
 
user3956566
shrug
 
We are still talking a load of about 8k questions per day. That is a lot of questions to have people manually look at
 
user3956566
they all get looked at any way
 
user3956566
7:37 PM
it could be a small number of flags and it could mean the close vote queue is smaller.. possibly, or just a big mess.
 
@NathanOliver Especially considering that the most reviews done per day in a queue is in Triage, where it's just over 8000. And since every post needs multiple reviews...
 
I just don't think it is a scale-able solution.
 
user3956566
@hichris123 how many reviews per day in triage?
 
user3956566
vs how many new user account posts per day?
 
user3956566
you couldn't do 5 reviews per new account post, that would be too many
 
7:40 PM
@Yvette With the current rules, ~7k on a weekday. (my 8k figure was from when the review limits were bumped to 30)
 
user3956566
and how many first post Qs do we get from new accounts per day?
 
I believe right around 7k.
 
This would be such a crazy change
 
user3956566
if it was done like triage, if the post came out as needing editing it could be put into the next queue and the user would have a choice of editing it, or it could just not go into a queue at all and then it's totally the new user's responsibility to edit it
 
You also have to take into account the fact that most other review queues would dry out quickly, sicne you basically shoved all the things in one. Thus, more reviewers available.
 
7:42 PM
Give me a boat full of Tuna's and I will solve the problem.....
 
user3956566
I think more responsibility needs to go onto the new user to read the faq and write up a semi decent post
 
This is also an interesting proposal meta.stackoverflow.com/a/324239/1743880
 
@Yvette Yeah, that ain't happening. People come on to here for an answer to their question. They don't care about no stinking rules, they want an answer. That's not something you can change - it's the problem with any group with a large amount of new people.
 
@Yvette Shouldn't you be sleeping?
 
user3956566
@Kyll meh I've been up most of the night working, will wait for my daughter to wake and braid her hair before I sleep now
 
7:45 PM
Right.
 
user3956566
@hichris123 well we are allowed to ignore them if they don't :D
 
Shog9 once said: ignoring users is the best way to get rid of them.
If we just could let those new questions from new users alone ...
 
user3956566
yep
 
@rene But rep!
 
user3956566
they mess up the place.
 
7:46 PM
@rene Yeah... sounds like a plan... let's shut the site down!
 
Oh wait ...
 
@rene Exactly. If we discourage rep-whores from answering bad questions, this would also discourage users from asking bad questions.
 
user3956566
I think the idea minimum rep for all new users before they can post answers, question, comment or suggest edits, it will fix the problem :D
 
user3956566
@Gothdo and prevent rep whores from answering!
 
user3956566
and if they continually vote them visible they become SO outcasts, forced to where placards saying so! :D
 
7:49 PM
and I'm back
 
Hi back
 
I wonder what my first question was
 
wb gunr
@Tunaki I think my first one was off-topic and deleted =p
 
lol
 
7:51 PM
@Kyll Which is something that needs to be taken into consideration. No new user joins this site and posts the perfect question. Most of us I bet had our first question closed, or at least downvoted.
You can't expect people to ask great questions at the beginning. That's simply impossible.
 
"No new user joins this site and posts the perfect question." Challenge Accepted.
 
@Kyll same here, though I self deleted. (It was at +1, but I changed my code so much that I could not reproduce the faulty behaviour)
 
Also my first answers were probably NAA
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 you like How I Met Your Mother?
 
haven't seen it
 
7:52 PM
I'm not sure @Yvette, I posted a shitty question first time, it its natural (my luck was that it was not tag correctly, so I only got some helpful comments that solved my problem). If I could not post the question I would never have started to use SO. The problem is all these damned high rep users that do not use their powers... close the crap good damn it.... We are like 20 people trying to moderate SO, I see your close votes all over the place.... The rest are just having fun "trying to help"
 
Hey, my first question wasn't closed and wasn't even downvoted!
 
user3956566
@Tunaki poser
 
@gunr2171 Have fun!
 
:)
 
My first question is at +3/-3 do to revenge(I suspect as it has only collected down votes over time and is my only question)
 
user3956566
7:53 PM
@PetterFriberg that's why this queue would need a lower rep, the other queues don't get so clogged, there's a lot of keen users who enjoy getting privileges into the review queues
 
user3956566
There are too few higher rep users reviewing that is true :(
 
@PetterFriberg Moderation isn't pretty nor is it fun. Most people come on here for help, bettering themselves professionally, education, or just to have fun. Very few people people want to deal with low quality posts. It's just a dirty job.
 
Not only do they not review they answer a dup of a dup and I even think you have meta on this
 
user3956566
it would force new users to read why the post isn't visible and work on editing it.At least it wouldn't be downvoted
 
My first answer got +0/-0 and accepted and no-one saw it probably.
 
7:54 PM
The whole point of the system is that you don't waste your whole day moderating. It's that when a question or answer that shouldn't exist on this site appears, you have the tools to deal with it.
 
user3956566
my first question has down votes and an upvote. I would've posted again
 
I will not show my first question, you will just dv and close it :D
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user3956566
@PetterFriberg that's an interesting question.
 
@PetterFriberg c'mon, you know you want to show it off
 
user3956566
I gotta stay awake for another 1.5 hours
 
7:57 PM
2 minute warning
 
EVENT STARTING
 
@Yvette Don't make yourself to tired
 
I won't join the event right away, I'll do some reviews in a couple hours
 
@clo refresh tags
 
@Yvette look at revision 1
 
user3956566
7:58 PM
@Ferrybig am tired. Am waiting up to braide my daughter's hair. Been up all night working./
 
close as unclear, missing mcve
 
@QPaysTaxes Even flagging bad posts will help us, look at the tags in the description of the room for tags that need cleanup
 
@rene clo is dead
dead I said!
 
@Braiam You'll be amazed
in SOCVR Testing Facility, 13 secs ago, by Closey
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
in SOCVR Testing Facility, 26 secs ago, by Closey
7996 need review
1425 reviews today
3321324 reviews all-time
in SOCVR Testing Facility, 38 secs ago, by Closey
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
8:01 PM
in SOCVR Testing Facility, 1 hour ago, by Closey
@rene The next 10 tags are: 1337, 1336, 34, 30, 29, 27, 25, 22, 22, 21
Please do your reviews!
Good luck everyone!
Watch out for the audits
 
is a thing? walks away
 
why do we do this?, burniation?
 
@Braiam yes, I've already cleared most of that crap
 
Those one-boxes
 
@rene still no there :(
 
8:02 PM
@PetterFriberg yeah, web2.0 is only 5 or so, blinking was a one man effort but can use some help
 
ok I have already done blinking moving on web2.0
 
I picked web2.0 because I was cleaning out burninate requests
 
user3956566
ok I'm doing it
 
and that one had high votes and was half done
 
user3956566
meet you back here in 7.0 minutes lol
 
8:03 PM
LOL
 
@rene dance party: i.imgur.com/8HH7M7K.webm
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;)
 
done
 
lol
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [web2.0]"
 
@Magisch SOCVR's mascot
 
8:05 PM
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [web2.0]"
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [blinking]"
 
r@rene got sick dance moves man
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [blinking]"
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [blinking]"
Moving onto C
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [debian] [apt] [dpkg]"
debian tag may want some help
most are off topic
 
8:25 PM
 
@BhargavRao yes
 
Bye all, Time to sleep \o
 
o/
 
So, I finally got around to posting my meta about latex Does anyone have an comments on it?
 
@Adriaan eh Kendra found a dupe ... If I select that, your question is closed ...
 
8:31 PM
@rene blargh. I had not seen it browsing questions. Can you close as a dupe, or should I remove mibne?
as in: it doesn't have an answer
 
grrr @hichris123 don't remove tags put on a question by the OP of I have a dupe-hammer on that tag ...
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@Adriaan close as dupe is I think preferable
 
@rene Not my fault... get another gold badge!
2
 
@rene can you even, since it has no answer?
 
@hichris123 On feature-request that is kind of hard ...
@Adriaan on meta, yes
 
@rene kk. I hope it will get more attention this time though.
 
8:33 PM
@rene Slacker. I have a total score of 81 with 5 posts.
 
aww, I wanted to self-vote :(
 
too late
 
@rene How can we take an angry flower serious? OR how can a flower even be angry?
 
@hichris123 you answer those ...
 
> You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
 
8:36 PM
@Rizier123 Meet my cousin : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosera_capensis
 
user3956566
done on close votes and low qual votes
 
@rene First I need to get a silver tag badge. I'm nearly to [discussion] but I need 59 more answers...
 
@Yvette thanks
 
@rene You have a cousin in south africa? :O
 
user3956566
@rene back at you :D
 
user3956566
8:38 PM
i'ts getting cold here. around 10 degrees C
 
We pushed like 80 questions from the close vote queue
 
So someone asked me "are you frigin serious?". I got sarcastic.
 
@Yvette Its 16 degrees C here
 
user3956566
@Ferrybig we're swapping
 
user3956566
but we never swap fully, we are much warmer on average
 
8:39 PM
Plop Thaillie
 
@ArtOfCode could some important person pin this for a while?
 
Lets hope upcoming weekend gets as good temperatures as last week
 
user3956566
@ArtOfCode i starred it :D
 
user3956566
@Ferrybig nice
 
cheers
aaaand it's gone
:P
 
user3956566
8:40 PM
our winters can be nice, sitting in a shletered spot can be warm
 
user3956566
lol Art that's funny
 
@ArtOfCode I think I screwed up on that one ..
 
@rene yep
'cuz now you can't re-pin it :)
 
I'm the best ... really ..
 
There's now an API available for metasmoke. Documentation available here, ping me if you want a key to use it.
^ there y'are
ta
 
8:43 PM
Second chance
 
Phew
 
8:56 PM
I'm out of close votes
 
well I am off. Laterz
 
user3956566
bye
 
9:12 PM
I'm also out, I need to wake-up early
 
ROs deserting, let the starry night begin!
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aww I missed a burnination event
 
9:42 PM
We will be starting the migration of Stack Overflow and all Stack Exchange services over to Fastly in about 2 hours. Stay tuned for updates.
weird, feeds hasn't posted anything
 
:O
 
stackstatus.net doesn't say anything either
Looks like he posted on Twitter, but hasn't (yet?) posted on stackstatus.
 
The blog is rarely updated. twitter.com/StackStatus is the real source for StackStatus.
 
Sam
@Kyll I is still here
 
hides
 
9:46 PM
and Tuna is still around he is just trying to answer a question I posted, lets see what he comes up with
 
You won't get away with it Kyll.
I am everywhere.
 
@Sam want to help me program a bot that attempts to identify spamming rings?
 
Sam
If it's not in C#, I can't actually help much code-wise.
 
I don't care what we write it in #learningexperience
Though python would be nice, so we could connect it to chat exchange easily
 

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