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2:00 PM
funny is indeed funny . funny right?
 
unless it is so not funny that it becomes funny
 
@BhargavRao - There is a sweets shop opposite to gopalan mall (jayadeva hospital) you should try the samosas and dhoklas there
 
I heard you like funny, so we put funny in funny so that you could funny while you are funny
 
funny is really funny unless it is not funny when it becomes not funny
 
@TheLostMind Oh, that's funny
 
2:02 PM
+44/-27 on Yvette's meta thread
what a spread of opinion
 
Which one?
 
on stack exchange that translates to "tacitly nothing will get done"
 
I really want to see Shog's words on that post
 
@BhargavRao Probably along the lines of "no"
 
2:04 PM
@Magisch Yep, but Shog's "no"s are usually worth reading. He makes a valid point always
 
@BhargavRao I empirically disagree with quite a few of his stances
at least he always tries to explain himself
@BhargavRao yes
Thats the same user with precisely the same answer
both spam
 
Yup. Also:
 
@Magisch exactly. One post and spam is "maybe". Two and it's a trend.
 
@SmokeDetector Kaspersky categorizes the linked site as malware distributor
thats a major red flag for posts
 
If there's a mod listening, I'm going through popular completed burnination requests on meta, so there are some flags waiting for you...
 
2:11 PM
Yes, give them some work.
 
user3956566
@Sam helped me make (well I assisted him) my first bot Ada
 
user3956566
yayayayayayayaya!!!
 
ROs take note ^^^ Someone's bringing a random bot inside :D
 
Plese kick that intruder.
 
@MsYvette - Good work :)
 
Sam
2:17 PM
@BhargavRao It's all good. We're testing in the testing facility. :p
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind thanks to Sam
 
@MsYvette you should add a link to the github source in your bot's about me (if you want, just a suggestion)
 
Sam
The bot came about as a result of a discussion with shog last night
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 ah yes
 
Sam
Regarding dupes
 
2:17 PM
@Sam - Thanks to you (from MsYevette ):P
 
@Sam Got the transcript of the chat?
 
Sam
@BhargavRao One mo
@TheLostMind :p
 
@Sam Let me take a guess: Shog used the old "If we could just use the current tools more correctly" spiel
Its getting old
 
user5912150
this is the bot's account
 
@Sam - What have you used?.. Do you have the code on GIt?
 
user5912150
2:18 PM
but she will not be talking from me after this
 
@Ada BOTS IN !!!! BEWARE
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 done
 
@Ada Hello
 
Anything on here to avoid ruffing feathers
 
@Ada commands
 
user3956566
2:19 PM
@Tushar she can't talk back yet!!
 
Is there a transcript from that discussion somewhere @sam?
 
user3956566
none yet!
 
@MsYvette commands
 
Sam
@Magisch Here's the start of it.
 
user3956566
@BhargavRao erm, would you like a coffee mate? lol
 
2:20 PM
@BhargavRao you're going to need to head to the testing room to see the bot in action
 
AFK ... Reading that transcript
 
user3956566
Shog has no choice, I a more determined than him.. he knows this deep down LOL
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 I just brought the account into here
 
user3956566
not the bot
 
user3956566
sorry
 
2:21 PM
yep, that's fine
no worries
 
no that's not fine.
she should worry.
 
user3956566
@gunr2171 I understand she has to be road tested in the test facility
 
user3956566
I was so excited that it ran!
 
somehow I doubt your daughter is old enough to drive
 
Sam
Lol
 
user3956566
2:22 PM
14
 
user3956566
she's my baby
 
16 is the driving age in the US
 
user3956566
same here
 
user3956566
luckily my 16 yo son doesn't want to drive yet
 
user3956566
2:23 PM
they are in a lot of accidents young men up to 25
 
user3956566
my 21 yo also doesn't drive yet
 
@MsYvette That conversation with shog sounds frustrating
 
user3956566
@Magisch nope
 
Im 10 replys in and I already disagree with the premise
 
user3956566
Shog is cool
 
Sam
2:24 PM
 
he kicked the cat : )
 
user3956566
@Magisch the jey to Shog is knowing how to appeal to him
 
I think its naive to not want to punish people for going against site interest
 
user3956566
and it's always the hard way
 
Sam
Cat kicking is a sacred ritual in the tavern.
 
2:25 PM
Imo people answering a dupe shouldn't just loose the rep gained from it
 
@Sam Wot?
 
user3956566
I have to go, Sam is waiting for me
 
Like cat eating in here...
 
Sam
@Tunaki Bjb being bjb...
 
user3956566
they should be tortured, perhaps?
 
2:25 PM
If there is a pattern and they do it too much they should suffer tiered suspensions similar to how the question ban works
 
user3956566
I agree ^^
 
a guy who answers dupes all day long offers no value to SO, in fact, they actively clutter it
7
 
yes
 
user3956566
I've had a fair bit to do with Shog over time and I have a great deal of respect for him
 
user3956566
he's on the ball
 
user3956566
2:27 PM
I respect his opinion, that is why I'm happy to work within his guidelines
 
@Magisch - Unfortunately thats how many people make rep
 
Question: this burnination request had a status-complete added, but it was removed. Was that because the tag lived on after we thought it was done?
 
@gunr2171 Somehow related to the answer I guess.
 
@TheLostMind The unfortunate part is that this is a way to make rep and that these people aren't suspended yet
 
probably
I'll leave that one alone
 
2:28 PM
@gunr2171 Some questions are left yeah
In and for example...
 
ah
 
@Magisch - Not sure if this is even going to work.. Most newbies tend to answer such questions even before they get closed
 
@TheLostMind Here or there is no problem
I have a problem with people doing nothing else
 
this one is open, for example stackoverflow.com/q/35049543/792066
 
@Braiam Not for much longer I hope
 
2:31 PM
@Magisch - Agreed. But any attempt to stop this would definitely make a lot of people edgy.. I've seen far worse (novice users posting copied answers as their own work )
 
@Braiam Which question? The link is dead ;P
 
And question is deleted. That was quick. Congrats guys \o/
 
Meh - deleted b4 I could hit enter on 'SOINAL'
 
Its getting frustrating around here
the inertia is real
 
One down. 3k to go...
 
2:33 PM
well, what did you expect in a site full of programmers?
 
why only 3k?
 
@Magisch It has momentum..
 
@MartinJames ...in the wrong direction
 
@Braiam - Civilzed behavior. Is that too much? :P
 
Honestly @Braiam Naive me would have expected a site entirely governed by reason and statistics
 
2:34 PM
I've hung a red LED over my SO window.
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
@MartinJames hi bud \o
 
user3956566
@Magisch no good things are afoot
 
user3956566
truly
 
user3956566
I felt the same way as you..
 
2:35 PM
@MartinJames Now, you only need to wire it up to a raspberry pi so the led goes green when you have a new mail message in your inbox
 
user3956566
That meta question has 8 answers!
 
@MsYvette - Frankly, I don't see that thing working out.. New users are going to answer such questions.
I am just being realsitic
 
user3956566
@TheLostMind you need to read all the answers
 
@TheLostMind A way to curb that heavily would be to not grant reputation points for these answers
but that opens up such a massive can of worms
I can see people reopening obvious dupes to preserve their rep
 
@MsYvette - I will once I reach home lol
 
2:37 PM
@MsYvette 'I believe we need to sort this problem out from two sides' - that's about right, since SO has two faces: "We promote quality content" for contributors, and "We promote advertising revenue" for shareholders. There's only going to be one face that wins out, and it aint us.
 
@Magisch you haven't heard about technical debt
 
user3956566
@MartinJames I do wonder about that also. :( don't depress me
 
@Magisch - Agreed. May be have a voting system.. You don't get rep for answering questions that get closed as dupes later. But that would lead to chaos
@MartinJames - Youve hit home with that statement :)
 
user3956566
people are ruled by money too often
 
People come to get answers, a link to the solution is just as likely to get them to come back, therefore I don't see the issue with shareholder stopping duplicate queisons being closed quickly.
 
user3956566
2:39 PM
@IanRingrose hi!
 
The main problem is innate
 
@IanRingrose I like your answer, just read it. And hi o/
 
user3956566
I love the completeness of your answer and you have several useful suggestions rolled into one
 
I been thinking about this problem for about 5 years! There is no easy answer, otherwise it would have been sorted out years ago.
 
user3956566
If the site becomes a slum, it will lose popularity, which will ultimately affect shareholders
 
user3956566
2:40 PM
@IanRingrose exactly
 
user3956566
I agree with Shog in a meta tavern chat.. that to solve it we need to close them quickly
 
user3956566
so a bot may help
 
user3956566
but we will need more dup hammers around and maybe more close votes
 
user3956566
close them before people answer
 
I don't think so. I think we have enough as of now.
 
2:41 PM
I think the "new bit" I came up with today is that it is ONLY answers given VERY QUICKLY or after the "possible dup link" is posted that are the problem.
 
But they aren't used enough.
 
user3956566
perhaps two dupe votes prevents answers being posted, or puts up a message box for the answerer
 
Potential hammerers aren't hammering.
 
user3956566
in the editor
 
the people just cannot get over the fact that the main point of SO is not to help people answer their questions
 
2:42 PM
We don't need many close voters if we can get the person that asked the question to confirm the dup.
 
user3956566
@IanRingrose exactly!
 
user3956566
true!
 
That only works in low traffic tag....
 
@PetterFriberg Why
 
user3956566
and if people post multiple dupes to gain rep, that's cause for supsension anyway
 
2:43 PM
Hello, CV people! Just dropping by from SO Python...
 
hello!
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring \o welcome
 
@Tunaki Commented. :D
 
Plop everyone!
 
Thanks, @MsYvette. I like your Meta question. :)
 
2:44 PM
kyll's here
 
@Braiam What do you mean did I?
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for noticing, G-Daddy-senpai
 
@Tushar Don't shout.
 
@Tunaki spam?
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring thank you :D I appreciate your feedback
 
2:44 PM
:D
 
@Kyll G-Daddy please
 
@DavidG Done
 
Thanks!
 
@Tushar I didn't. Did I? :p
 
@PraveenKumar I've to shout to tell people not to shout
 
2:45 PM
@IanRingrose In high traffic the paste is to high.... in low traffic I manage this a lot... but I'm alone, explaining to OP, op check and thinks, then e thanks, then I ask to confirm duplicate with long comment "there is nothing wrong with duplicate, more entry points to answer, so please help community by confirming dub." and this works in 75% of cases...
 
I like gunr-senpai a lot more than G-Daddy
 
@Tushar Convulsively Correct...
 
@gunr2171 G-Daddy-san then?
 
-sama
 
@WaiHaLee Yep. Garbage like that from 1 rep user should just die. You can flag as anything you want but spam gets the job done quicker.
 
2:46 PM
In high traffic there would have been already 5 answers no more interest in confirming dub..
 
@MsYvette Well that's what currently happens with 5 close-votes (or a gold badger, or the OP). I don't see reducing it 2 votes being a popular move.
 
@gunr2171 I actually prefer senpai
 
user3956566
@PM2Ring no it won't, but hopefully, we can push a community consensus into some change.. and we're making a dupe bot! That might give us a head start if we can get that working effectively
 
@MsYvette as if
even threads with 100s of upvotes around the same topic changed bugger all
 
user3956566
2:48 PM
@Magisch I am more positive :D
 
Stack exchange as a company has an innate interest to keep this going
as in a monetary interest
 
user3956566
@Tunaki flagged as NAA
 
user3956566
it's a comment with some code
 
user3956566
if it loses the people with skill and devotion to the site, it loses everything
 
@PetterFriberg Indeed. Dupe questions can be good portals, and even the occasional answer on a dupe can be good if it gives specific info that may not be available (or comprehensible to the OP) in the dupe target. FWIW, I've even seen a moderator write a quick answer to a question before dupe-hammering it... But mindless answering dupes by FGITWers is a problem because it dilutes the quality of the site.
 
2:50 PM
@MsYvette I know. My flag was "disputed".
 
user3956566
@Tunaki hm
 
@PM2Ring Hi PM! Howya here :-)
 
@PM2Ring "my comment is mostly to convince OP to accept dup" : )
 
user3956566
maybe cos it was upvoted
 
user3956566
I'm' going back to our dupe bot bye
 
2:51 PM
So I do not need this room.... we only have that much votes...
 
@PetterFriberg Sure, I try to do that, too. It's easy for a user, especially a new one to think that their question is being seen as bad merely because it's been put on hold. I've often thought it's an unfortunate aspect of the Stack Exchange design that dupe questions get lumped in with other close-worthy questions.
 
@TylerH I still don't understand what should we do with those posts
 
oh
well the one the OP was asking about is OK
that's as much of an answer as boltclock was willing to give me
 
@Tunaki I gave that answer the coup de grâce.
 
@PM2Ring Agree someday someone will find a way so that the OP can ask a good question...
 
2:55 PM
@Louis +1 for the â.
 
@BhargavRao Hi, Bhargav. I've been quietly applying close votes where I feel competent to make a judgement on the posts. Some of them are out of my area of expertise, but you don't need to be an expert to close blatantly poor questions...
 
@PM2Ring Nice. I felt happy on seeing you here :-)
 
@BhargavRao Yeah I found it also. I don't know why it "looks OK".
 
@Tunaki Needs 2 delv votes now.
 
BTW, there's a pending edit on this thing linked earlier that needs an MCVE: stackoverflow.com/questions/35341623/… Should I just reject the edit, since it doesn't really make much of an improvement?
 
2:57 PM
@Tunaki Well, it is my mother tongue.
 
Heck, nice example of dupe answering here... stackoverflow.com/q/35342441/1743880
@Louis Ah you're French also?
 
@Tunaki French-Canadian/American
 
@PM2Ring Yep.
 
@BhargavRao needs 1 more dv now
 
@cimmanon needs 0 dv vote now. Wait. It's deleted then :)
 
2:59 PM
:p
 
Oh Damn, I Voted to delete some other answer. :O
 
@Louis Québec then?
 
I love this "clarifying" comment by the OP:
use to resort drog a list — 赵玮龙 28 mins ago
 
@Tunaki need 0 more dv now
 
and it's gone.
 
3:02 PM
Tunaki postgone
 
As I already said
 
As I already commented
 
@BhargavRao :slaps Bhargav with a wet fish:
 
@Tunaki Yup
 
@PM2Ring Tries to dodge but couldn't help
 
3:03 PM
@PM2Ring He likes wet fishes. You're doing him a favour.
 
Blame slow internet, switching to silent mode
 
Anyone know of a user script that would work for this guy?
 
Something around "Tsundere" and "SOCVR".
 
Something "Tsundere" and "SOCVR" around
There done ^
 
Here's a classic recent example from the Python tag of FGITWers answering instead of dupe hunting: 7 answers in under 7 minutes. I could forgive newbies for doing this, but most of those answers are from people with enough rep to know better. stackoverflow.com/questions/35130310/… :( I was going to hunt for a dupe myself, but decided to write a short comment first...
 
JAL
3:13 PM
morning
 
Sam
Morning
 
Morning
 
Sam
@PM2Ring :/
 
@JAL Hiya o/
 
@PM2Ring Wowow ... That has some nice votes all the way down
 
3:14 PM
Is everyone okay with deleting that post? And remove the rep earned by whoring?
 
Sounds good to me
 
Well I voted anyway.
 
I am okay but I am scared of PM :-(
 
You will never solve the FGITW without my firewall approach
 
Sam
Simple solution: just stop accepting new Q/As, all the good stuff has been asked/answered anyway.
 
3:19 PM
@Drew I read your answer Drew. It's a nice approach. I thought about something like that also.
 
Come on everyone, find me some spam to spend my flags on :P
 
what Sam said
 
I somewhat disagree with the top answer there. See my comment over there.
 
how many flags left apples?
 
@JAL Plop!
 
JAL
3:21 PM
yo @Kyll
 
@PM2Ring question is gone :-/
 
Excellent
 
@Sam ^^
 
Quick question. The post we just deleted. I've been monitoring and the users there did not lose the rep they earned from it. Was 10 days too long?
 
@Tunaki IIRC, if your answer has more than 3 points you don't lose rep if the question is deleted.
 
Sam
3:23 PM
@BhargavRao I didn't see anything :p
 
Bad Sam bot
 
It's getting late in my timezone, so I'll catch you fine people later. Keep up the good work!
 
@PM2Ring Correction, they did lose their rep. It just took some time (even the +5 answer)
 
This post says: "Reputation earned for posts with a score of three or higher, and where the post has been visible on the site for at least 60 days, is retained." Does the "and" mean "or" here??? I always thought the rep associated with a post would be retained if the post had a score 3 or higher and the same post had been on the site for 60 days or more.
 
@Louis Its AND
So if your post is both older then 60d and has >3 score
 
3:27 PM
@Tunaki Any rep gained will be lost in the first 60 days if where it was gained from was deleted
@Magisch >= 3
 
I deleted my own post with score 13 and 18 or so upvotes once so I knew
When I was young and naive and got repedeatly scolded by @MartinJames That I got 19 upvotes on an utter trash answer
 
@Magisch Ok, the earlier discussion in the room about why rep was not removed made it sound like maybe I've always understood it incorrectly.
 
@BhargavRao That post you linked to and removed. Voted to delete.
 
@Tunaki Needs one more
 
See my comment over there on the answer...
 
3:32 PM
@Tunaki Also it isn't a good answer.
 
... and OP deleted, nice. Maybe the point was made?
 
Yeah. Seems like he understood. Good OP.
 
@Sam Should I be proud to post a +4 comment on a spam answer?
 
@gunr2171 I am the guy
 
@gunr2171 THY Guy!
 
Sam
3:36 PM
Ninja'd ya all.
 
everyone wants to be the guy
 
@gunr2171 Everyone is guy... :D
@Tunaki NO. Coz one vote is mine. I am 25% StakeHolder. :D
 
=(
 
Sam
@Tunaki Maybe?
 
@Tunaki :D 25%! :P
 
3:38 PM
@Sam Answer me. Or...
 
@Tunaki i.stack.imgur.com/vXwnq.png Make most of the situation
 
@Tunaki Or what? You take @Yam out?
 
Sam
@Tunaki Unhanded exception: at Sam$Brain.GenerateResponse() : Could not allocate any more Cares to give.
 
lol
 
@Sam Any @Yams to give? :P
 
Sam
3:41 PM
Nope :p
 
I swear there was a Chinese Stack Overflow released a few months ago...
but I can't find it
 
@TylerH If that is developed by Govt. of China, it will be blocked out of China
 
@Sam :'( :'( :'(
 
oh, no it was in Japanese, not Chinese
 
3:44 PM
I was going to point this guy there
@Tushar no, I mean an actual Stack Overflow site, but in Chinese
like how they have Portuguese and Spanish as well
 
Not asking for action but for advice: I've downvoted this answer because it's the same as the accepted one, just of lower quality. My question: is flagging it as VLQ inappropriate, as I suppose it is, or is it ok to flag it?
 
@EricD. inappropriate to flag as VLQ.
 
@TylerH Funny that jp.stackoverflow.com auto redirects to that site
 
@EricD. I've flagged such answers before for moderator attention and they just kind of shrug it off
If it's plagiarism, that's one thing, but just telling more or less the same thing is fine, it's just a downvote-and-move-on scenario
 
3:47 PM
@EricD. Has 1 del vote on it
 
@TylerH Ok, thanks.
 
@BhargavRao Correction, has 2 del vote on it
 
If that question gets protected then low rep users wouldn't be able to add answers to it
 
Is it really worth protecting?
 
@Tunaki Correction, 3 del votes.
 
3:48 PM
inb4 @Louis's reply Sigh
 
lol
 
@BhargavRao a user with the gold language tag did it I suppose? I can't see the delete vote.
@TylerH Ok, actually I agree with this. Thanks.
 
@EricD. Did you follow the messages after that? 1 2 3
 
@BhargavRao just noticed it :)
 
Lol, we usually reply to posts which we delv stating the no of delv votes it has.
 
Sam
3:55 PM
This is going to take a while...
 
C'mon 10hrs not long for a bot
 
Sam
:|
I need teh dataz now.
 
@Sam there is a torrent version
which is legal
 
Sam
Lemme check if it's worth it
 
it's worth it
it's going to be much faster
even the site wants you do to it
 

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