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12:55 AM
Cross-stack duplicate: this and this. Shall we merge them on SO or on EE.SE ?
 
"Jason Smith"? Really?
@Thaillie Once you posted the questions, they stopped being "yours", and were gifted to "the community". I'd recommend letting the community decide whether they are useful or on-topic. If they've been voted closed already, that's an indication that they are off-topic. If not, then leave them. (That's my opinion, anyway!)
 
 
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7:57 AM
/me selects all since last message, right-click, "Open Selected Questions", browser freezes
Plop!
 
Good job - well done :p
 
8:22 AM
> It is a normal website without flash, but I assume lot of j-query and javascript is used.
^ OP assumes so?
 
the OP says he will provide an answer which turns this into a programming question but I am doubtful that this is how it's supposed to work
any educated opinions here?
 
I'm not educated, but who cares?
It's not a programming question, it looks like something for superuser
If you can answer "How to turn off my Windows computer" with a C# program it doesn't make the question any less off-topic.
It seems to be a good question though, so migration would probably be better than closure?
 
Morning all
 
Plop
Hold on, didn't see the title
 
as you can see, I answered it with "use pppd" which IMHO is still the sane way to go, even if there are alternatives which involve more or less of reinvention of the square wheel shed paint, slow-drying
I agree that I don't want to close the question
@SmokeDetector Indeed (-:
 
8:45 AM
@SmokeDetector Looks spammy but somewhat legit?
 
my sentiments exactly
 
With a tad of advertising
"you need to use this 3rd party tool"
 
looks like one of the many "you failed the audit because this is a spammer which Brad Larson has been fighting for months" cases on meta /-:
 
Commented
 
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
8:49 AM
@Kyll good comment
 
Another example of a spamy post by that user: superuser.com/revisions/975156/1
 
Answer deleted
 
Later edited to remove spam, for better or worse.
 
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A: Spam flag for product known for being spammed on Stack Overflow rejected, what gives?

Jon ClementsI wasn't aware of the history for the "MS Access Repair tool" (or at least if I was - I'd forgotten about it), so I declined the flag as the first paragraph: If you are facing corruption issue in your access file then you can try using the Compact and Repair feature of MS Access. It repairs c...

^^^ looks relevant :)
 
@JonClements Any thoughts on how to handle the answer over on SuperUser?
The spam link was removed by an edit.
 
8:52 AM
Umm... yeah... seen that... looks like it might be an okay-ish answer now - even if it started as spam...
 
I think it's the first time I've seen spam become an actual answer
Oh, Brad Larson says : The first few paragraphs will be reasonable-sounding text (sometimes plagiarized from other answers or sites), followed by an ad for their tools. They're one of our more tricky spammers to deal with.
Okay so : msrepairstools or whatever is spam, burn it down
 
pretty much yeah :)
 
I think it would be fitting to edit the answer to remove the ad, but of course, the on-topicness of the question is probably the first issue to resolve
 
Shouldn't the user have been banned by the system by now?
 
since the SU post was fixed to not be spammy, I guess not?
 
8:55 AM
Would it be of any help?
 
but certainly grounds for mod attention now
 
As his very first post was spam, I thought that kind of user was deleted almost immediately
@Tushar Argh, var definition in a switch case
 
@Kyll Sorry - forgot to delete the user :)
 
@Kyll is that allowed in js?
 
@TimCastelijns The answer to this question is generally "Yes, but please don't"
 
8:59 AM
Technically speaking, the var declaration is hoisted when it is JIT compiled.
 
@Kyll is there a short explanation behind that? I'm curious now but too lazy to google
 
I can explain, but probably not here. Create a new room?
 
There should a special room for "You can do it but please don't" explanations for all languages
 
@Tushar Come on, stay nice
 
If the answer is long enough that we need a room to discuss it, it's probably too complicated for me to understand with the limited js knowlegdge I have :P
but thanks for the offer
 
9:03 AM
899 answers "but please don't"
 
@TimCastelijns Reason's behind it is that hoisting means that your multiple in-body vars declarations make no sense when it is interpreted, as var declarations are moved to the beginning of their scope - the function. function() { if(cond) {var foo = 'hello ground'} } is computed as function() { var foo; if(cong) {foo = 'hello ground'} }
@TimCastelijns And that is because in JS variables declared with var are scoped to the function, not the expression block.
 
I see, that makes sense. Thanks (y)
 
I find javascript one of the most interesting languages, with many uses. But never really had the time to dive into it
 
@TimCastelijns If one day you want to learn more about it, feel free to come to me for help... JavaScript is very interesting but has so much crap lying around that you will need a guide not to fall head first in it =D
 
9:11 AM
@Kyll I noticed :P I have this link bookmarked for learning about node, but there are like 500 links in there so it's not easy to find a solid starting point
 
@TimCastelijns Learning about Node is mostly learning about JavaScript, let me fetch you an amazing book... github.com/getify/You-Dont-Know-JS
 
22.5k stars.. must be worth the read. Cheers for the link!
 
@Kyll Kyll, 1.8k and no attempt at all, I can understand if some new user on SO does this.
This is just waste of time of ~35 users on SO
And @Kyll I do have answer jsfiddle.net/tusharj/k6ndxw8x too
But I think OP didn't tried anything, the code is just made up runtime after seeing my comment, as the code is in no position to at-least get the first step towards answer
 
@Tushar Well, treat everyone like new users. You'll help newbies and piss off more experienced user =p
 
@Kyll No, that's not what I'm trying to do
 
9:19 AM
Helping newbies or trolling experienced users?
 
What I'm saying is experienced users should not act as newbie
 
Ah, yeah
 
@Kyll Second
 
What to do with this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/33605805/…
 
Well, the other day a 98k was accusing SO of being a nazi website... Can't expect much from people
 
9:19 AM
@Kyll And If you look at the comments, you'll see my comment is the first step towards answer
 
> Please help and provide some appropriate diagram with the explanation. I research the information is quite less.
 
@Tushar Yes, I saw that
@TimCastelijns The book actually explains prototypes in a sane way. Most explanations out there are plain crazy and really complicated for something so simple
 
Prototyping is like adding a custom function to a builtin, right?
 
@TimCastelijns It's simpler
 
No, but that is something you can do with it.
 
9:24 AM
But I fear I might get spammy if I continue around here =p
 
@Kyll Check revision, supporting my above comment. :) OP didn't tried anything, the code added is on the fly to show something
 
All good, I'm not a complete noob so I don't expect any trouble
 
@TimCastelijns Basically, say you have objects foo and bar, and there is a prototype relationship between them: foo is the prototype of bar. All it means is that when you try to access a field of the bar object with bar.someField, if someField is not found on bar (it just doesn't exist on the object), it will be looked for on bar's prototype : foo. If you have done foo.someField = 'some value' then bar.someField will spew out 'some value'. That's all.
 
@Kyll thanks for all the info. Let me know if you have any questions about android :P
 
@TimCastelijns ... No, thanks =p
What's the name of SO's markdown editor again?
 
9:35 AM
pagedown
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A: What's the Markdown Editor that Stack Overflow is using?

Tim PostIt's called Pagedown, and you're totally free to use it :) It's a great editor for markdown with restricted HTML support. Google code is shutting down so the repo is read-only, however we have plans to migrate it the next time that we have something to commit. Balpha maintains it; when it moves,...

 
@TimCastelijns Thanks! I had already upvoted both the question and answer, now I fav'ed =p
 
9:48 AM
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
And morning all!
 
Plop
 
10:05 AM
Morning David
Questionable
 
No efforts, can be known easily if you try
 
11:00 AM
@SmokeDetector deleted
36 seconds, nice
I wonder what the record is.
 
Haha I was just about to ask the same :)
 
Always fun to see a constant stream of downvotes
 
You can literally see the countdown
 
Is asking for help tracking down the cause of problems etc. considered too broad? E.g. stackoverflow.com/questions/33607496/…
 
@TimCastelijns Well, the question looks too broad 3 + 7 points. :P
 
11:05 AM
@TimCastelijns I would say no but it looks more like a bug report
 
@Tushar 7 of which are steps to reproduce, I don't think they count toward the "too broad" meter
well maybe a little
@Tunaki any suggestions what to do with if? If anything
 
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Q: Anyone interested in my open source project?

oddiI started building this javascript based data visualization web application some years ago (2-3 years). I cannot finish it alone, the whole project has basically just been a struggle. This stuff is difficult to do in javascript, so most of the time i have used to make things more efficient. I've...

Category?
 
Unclear? There's no real question in there.
Or even spam as it's clear advertisment
 
What should be the category when OP don't try anything, expects answer without trying
too broad?
No MCVE?
 
@Tushar Haha Jon's delete overrided the other 3 that deleted the question first
 
11:18 AM
Anyway, the result is it's deleted which should be :)
 
Ahhh no - it was because I wasn't 100% sure on the spam flags on it either way... I didn't want to decline them, but didn't think they were approve worthy... so I cleared them to mark them as disputed (it's just annoying a side effect is that it undeletes deleted posts) - so I had to re-delete it
 
Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't sure whether to mark as spam, but did and assumed a mod would make a better judgement.
 
I was torn between either very bad spam, or a genuine but misguided attempt for help - so I figured disputed was better :)
 
Yeah, that's probably a better option, I guess he looks like he was genuinely looking for help.
 
but on wrong site
 
11:24 AM
So did everyone have a good weekend?
 
Me
Diwali Festival
Diwali (or Deepavali, the "festival of lights") is an ancient Hindu festival celebrated in autumn (northern hemisphere) or Spring (southern hemisphere) every year. Diwali is one of the largest and brightest festivals in India. The festival spiritually signifies the victory of good over evil. The preparations and rituals typically extend over a five-day period, but the main festival night of Diwali coincides with the darkest, new moon night of the Hindu Lunisolar month Kartika. In the Gregorian calendar, Diwali falls between mid-October and mid-November. Before Diwali night, people clean, renovate...
 
Oh cool. I actually had the opposite weekend, met Richard Dawkins yesterday and had a minor fanboy moment.
 
11:50 AM
My weekend was trying to learn python. But I couldn't find a good tutorial :p. So I hope I can find one next weekend -_-
 
@Thaillie good choice of language :p
(not that I'm biased at all coughs)
 
@gunr2171 @NathanOliver I won't make it for the event tonight as I'll be travelling back from my parents. Can one of you host the event?
 
@JonClements, PHP is dying on SO when it comes to useful questions :p. So I was thinking it was time for me to learn a second programming language. And python looks like alot of fun/usefulness for some web based stuff :)
 
Well - now that Martijn's busy with other stuff - you might even stand a chance of getting an answer in :p
 
@Thaillie ~ creepy voice ~ Joiiiiiin the JavaScript side...
 
11:58 AM
@Kyll why? What've they done wrong to deserve such torment? :p
 
@Kyll, did that at the same moment I started with PHP :p
 
Drop PHP and switch to Node then =p
@JonClements I'm a sadistic squirrel. Didn't notice already? /me points at the burnt down puppy orphanage
 
@Kyll, I use PHP at work. So dropping it will be a bit difficult :p
 
New job then, it's worth it.
 
^
(afk)
 
12:01 PM
@Kyll I had my first ever node mini project done yesterday. It actually worked ...
 
Im currently an intern (its for my education) so I can't switch jobs until next year :p
 
just had the "Necromancer" badge. Woohoo!
 
12:18 PM
Btw, what's bad about PHP. Its easy to work with but almost everyone here seems to hate it or something along those lines :p
 
PHP is ugly
 
I'm a little late to the party, but I agree with Jon that python is an excellent choice
Not biased either
 
@Tunaki, I agree with most of the things mentioned in that article.
 
@cimmanon Commented
> programming is a hilariously young discipline, and none of us have the slightest clue what we’re doing.
 
12:31 PM
@Thaillie It is a very well written article. The best rant I have read about PHP because it explains very well why it's broken.
 
"PHP can also be seen as the Justin Bieber of programming tools. Both prove conclusively that you don't have to be good to be popular."
 
Hahaha... I like that Tim :p
 
Just one of the many comments on that blog post
It's a good read
 
afk
 
What would you guys recommend me to learn for web based programming? I just like programming and the language doesn't matter to me :p (it may also be an order like python > .NET and so on)
 
12:36 PM
create a webpage you like
sorry, I meant web application...
 
@Thaillie the web is a big place, what exactly are you going to be making?
 
@TimCastelijns, Primarily website and maybe some sort of application for management (atleast for now)
 
@Thaillie Honestly, here's how to proceed :
 
Can do ruby on rails, django/python, nodejs, google appengine with python/php/go/java
 
Print out the logos of multiple frameworks and server-side languages
 
12:42 PM
C# asp.net I think
 
Put them on the wall
Throw a pen or whatever at the wall
Start with the one covered in ink
 
I like angularjs for websites
 
Make sure to pick something you can easily get help with from a fellow programmer
 
And don't pick php
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you forgot to: check if there's a book on github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/…, if not cry in the wall
AFAICK PHP is improving lately
 
12:44 PM
Or... for an interesting challenge - write a web framework in Haskell
 
Oh wow 44.9k stars
 
@Braiam You Don't Know JS falls last but that's the first one that should be read =p
Damn alphabetic order
 
Good morning
 
Plop Nathan
 
12:49 PM
@rene @gunr2171 I can start the event today.
 
1:23 PM
-1
A: Image behind buttons in tkinter (PhotoImage)

user5542495Well im afraid to tell you this but your code is awful.

The Late Answers queue is full of surprises
 
Well, commented
 
Props for honesty
 
Well im afraid to tell you this but this is not an answer. — Siguza 7 secs ago
 
Flagged as offensive (the answer, not Siguza's comment)
 
His answer or my comment? ^^
ah lol
nvm ^^
I just flagged as NAA
 
1:29 PM
Offensive will destroy it quicker I think, if 6 people flag it that way
 
Edit in links to genuine handbags, then flag as spam :P
 
@Braiam It's a torn out limb, not a wound at that point
 
@Kyll actually, the question wasnt reposted. it just didnt get enough cv yesterday so i reposted the cv request
 
1:35 PM
@cimmanon Really? Oh. Oops.
 
morning!
 
sup
 
Sam
Hiya
 
dawg
@Braiam am I surprised: no. Not at all.
 
1:38 PM
yo
 
@NathanOliver Thanks. I should be here for that as well, but good to have a backup
A plan-b, or in this case, a plan-n
 
Plop
 
@gunr2171 No problem.
 
Nope
Commented
 
@TimCastelijns Thanks.
 
For some reason he also felt the need to add
 
@TimCastelijns there is some php in there, not easy to see though
 
2 hours ago, by Tim Castelijns
And don't pick php
 
2:42 PM
There is, technically, PHP in his code -- but it's completely unrelated to the JavaScript validation problem he's having. Might as well add a tag about the <br />s.
 
Oh found it finally
 
Hidden php
> <?php getpostvalue('vatnumber');?>
 
@PaulRoub you mean </br>, which is totally legal
 
@gunr2171 That's like the people who believe the space goes before the comma...
 
it , doesn't ?
 
2:45 PM
no ,it doesn't
ugh, I want to whip myself for that last message
 
You can do the space before the comma, but then you must use 2 commas so you can see it better
No ,,it doesn't see
Same goes for question/exclamation marks of course
 
Can u halp me ?
I haz problum !
 
alright, let's move on
GOOD NEWS! They are starting on Jenkins 2.0!
 
@gunr2171 you had to include a comma in there didn't you
 
because it makes gramatical sense to
 
2:49 PM
@gunr2171 any notable new features you can spoil?
Or enhancements
 
and no, I'm not working on it, so I have no contributions. I just use the software.
 
Someone in the HTML room is asking to re-open this question... I think it should just be deleted. Opinions?
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Q: HTML5 canvas issues on Android 4.1.1

darkyndyNow that Android 4.1.1 is out there on some phones I noticed that issues start to pop out using default browser and this OS. In my case I have an application that uses web views (meaning default browser) and a lot of canvas. I want by having this topic that everyone to post found issues and sol...

 
I have used jenkins in the past, but always found it somewhat difficult to use
Blame the plugins I guess
 
there is a learning curve, that is one of the big things they will be working on
 
Good to hear
 
2:52 PM
@Cerbrus it looks like 3 questions in 1, 1 being resolved
 
@Cerbrus uh, that seems like a self Q-A in the question
yeah, get rid of it, it's not a question
 
@Cerbrus It was closed as "not a real question" and has no actual question in it. With a rewrite, it is possibly worthy of reopening.
 
that's not a question
 
@Cerbrus since it says I want by having this topic that everyone to post found issues and solutions if you know one. it should not be reopened
 
@DavidG: Next question: is it worth the effort to re-write?
 
2:53 PM
Let easwee rewrite it :P
 
I guess that depends on how useful it is to Android types (i.e. I don't know)
 
It's pretty much 5-0 to delete it
 
since 'tihs problem is still very actual for all android developers", let easwee split it in 3 different questions and 1 self-answer
 
(dupe, kinda)
So, delete the first one I linked? :-3
 
@TimCastelijns Those problems can all be auto-fixed! Version 1.5.2.38 of the Stack-Exchange-Editor-Toolkit has improved handling of spaces around punctuation.
 
2:57 PM
I don't use all those fancy tools :P
 
@Mogsdad -1, you don't have an advertising jingle :)
OH GOD
 
WOAH
 
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
TERMINATION.
 
2:58 PM
New record
 
that's a registered user?
 
31 seconds
nice
 
Apart from the foul mouth, I agree with him though
 
> This comment exists for the sole purpose of brutally terminating the grace period.
lol nice
 
=D
You cut out the best part!
 
2:59 PM
> Blooby bloop.
 
\o/
 
@Kyll Do I want to know? I don't want to know, do I?
 
But yes, having one of those comments I think is a really good idea. While I don't expect ninja edits to happen often, when it does happen it's nessissary to keep the original edit
 
@PaulRoub 'course you do
 
3:01 PM
How does a comment affect the grace period?
 
(because now it's a 10k link)
 
@TimCastelijns It ends it.
 
@TimCastelijns now, when you post a comment it kills the 5 minute edit grace period
 
@TimCastelijns Any kind of reaction to a post, including an answer on the same page or a comment, ends the grace period
Any kind except flags because flags are not a real reaction
 
Does downvote also end it?
 
3:01 PM
Because reasons
 
@Kyll Votes too?
 
downvotes don't
 
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
Why would they? That ain't a reaction
 
That's nice
 
3:02 PM
Hey closey
 
@gunr2171 Well, then.
 
I wonder what the actual record is
 
Cannot be much lower than 31 seconds
 
@Kyll Because they still mark a post as "recently active"...
 
@Siguza It seems that the only reactions to post that are considered by the system are the ones which require you to type something. Because. I asked for it: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/307402/4174897
 
3:07 PM
I know the guy who posted that question
 
@TimCastelijns It's an impersonator, you're wrong
 
Oh he's good! Same rep even
 
Dedication. Soon we'll find out he's also French and plays medic in TF2
 
And his favourite word is "Plop"...
 
JAL
Hey all
 
3:12 PM
hey!
 
Plop! (Screw ya Siguza - youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ )
 
Oh, speaking of TF2, Fallout 4 comes out tomorrow. So there is a small chance I'll be doing anything else tomorrow.
 
@Kyll I memorized "XcQ", not gonna fall for that one again
 
@gunr2171 pfft, wake me up when TES 6 comes out
 
@gunr2171 I'm currently watching a Fallout 4 livestream... one of the few legal ones ^^
 
3:14 PM
@Siguza Actually the hint was: Everyone, rickrolling Siguza gives 7 bonus karma points.
 
I've had a copy of Fallout 4 on my desk for over a week now and I don't even have a console
 
JAL
Meh, I never got into Fallout
I'm so behind on my gaming, I'm just starting to play Payday 2 now
 
Payday is good, but difficult
 
JAL
I've only been playing offline
so it's even harder
 
Never tried it and now I want to play some TF2 so... brb working.
 
3:17 PM
@Kyll @Tunaki @ArtjomB. or one other 10K user: This question is able to be deleted now.
 
@Mogsdad Thanks for the heads-up, will vote once I've gained 6k rep. Bounties anyone?
 
@Mogsdad voted
and gone
 
@Kyll can I make a 5,167 rep bounty?
 
@gunr2171 I don't know, but I'll gladly be a guinea pig for that experience!
 
lol
I'll make it on MSO
ok, off topic question. You have a name "Chris". How do you make it possessive? Chris's or Chris'
 
JAL
3:24 PM
Have their ever been any bounty question on meta?
Chris'
 
@JAL no, that's the point. You can't have a bounty on a per-site meta. MSE you can
@JAL ok, that's what I was thinking.
 
@gunr2171 Chris's
 
I'd go with Chris' too...
 
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Q: Which singular names ending in “s” form possessives with only a bare apostrophe?

Jakob WeisblatMany questions already ask about this topic (What is the correct possessive for nouns ending in s? , Adding apostrophe-s to a singular noun already ending in “s”, etc.) and their answers vary, but they always give exceptions to the apostrophe-s rule, for example: 6.24 The general rule for t...

 
3:26 PM
@gunr2171 Ok, Advertising Jingle.
 
thanks SE network!
 
JAL
hmm
 
@Mogsdad GAAAA!!!
 
Be careful what you ask for!
 
then again, that is a great mashup
10/10 would listen to again
 
3:28 PM
Great. Now you've gone and taken all the fun out of Rickrolling.
 
:D
Room Owners: ruining your fun since 2014.
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But yeah, that was a lucky find. I'll be playing it during warmup at Basketball tonight!
 
There is also a mashup with Nirvana
which is also awesome
 
JAL
@gunr2171 You misspelled mods ♦™
 
No, that would be
Mods ♦ - denying your flags since 2007
(stop me if I'm getting overzealous)
 
3:35 PM
Shog9 ♦ - declining your feature requests since 2011
:P
 
Ok, moving on
 
@Siguza nah
 
(and still listening to Mogsdad's mashup)
 
actually, is balpha
oh well, apparently the answer is: Jeff Atwood, Shog9 and balpha
 
yikes. But be careful about outing a user here.
 
3:41 PM
Good point. More amused than anything else, but deleted just the same.
 
thanks
 
@gunr2171 Downloaded all his stuff. I think it's going to be a good day with this soundtrack in the background!
 
:D
 

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