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12:14 AM
@MarkI It is turning out that specific binding doesn't require the bodies of functions to be read-only...however, since the bodies do not experience "relativity" at a user level, if they modify any blocks to use words in their own body, it will be specific to the version of the word that was used. e.g. editing the shared body has no user-level API to make new relative references.
I've begun to wonder about broader applications of relative binding. It doesn't need to apply exclusively to functions.
I guess it will take some time with a working version before all what might be done with it can be seen.
While not completed, I am going to say that I think the FUNCLOSURE is almost certainly solved now, so that makes public enemy #1 on the fundamental problems list objects and inheritance and SELF now.
 
 
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1:59 AM
Hmmm... with variadics, I can now get rid of the hacks to make DO run functions in core, although I think I have decided that the DO in the box should probably be able to run arity-0 functions or specified frames (though that doesn't require a hack).
So the <r3-legacy> DO will be a variadic hack, the sort of ill-advised thing that shouldn't be in the box.
 
2:53 AM
>> do :add 1 2
** Script error: Use EVAL or APPLY to call functions arity > 0, not DO
** Where: do
** Near: ... do :add ?? 1 2

>> do <r3-legacy>

>> do :add 100 * 10 10 + 10
== 1020

>> do :quote apple
== apple
Implemented as a usermode variadic, with only a few minutes from thought to implementation.
            either function? :source [
                code: reduce [:source]
                params: words-of :source
                while [params/1] [
                    append code switch type-of params/1 [
                        :word! [take normals]
                        :lit-word! [take softs]
                        :get-word! [take hards]
                        :set-word! [()] ;-- unset appends nothing (for local)
                        :refinement! [break]
                        (fail ["bad param type" params/1])
I think I'm liking the idea that :foo/1 would return an UNSET! if there's nothing there, while foo/1 is the "user friendly" version that assumes you don't worry about the distinction of NONE! and would rather have something that is easier to work with.
        normals [any-type! <...>]
            {Normal variadic parameters if function (<r3-legacy> only)}
        'softs [any-type! <...>]
            {Soft-quote variadic parameters if function (<r3-legacy> only)}
        :hards [any-type! <...>]
            {Hard-quote variadic parameters if function (<r3-legacy> only)}
 
 
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4:15 AM
I am working on a Rebol/View script using the 'draw dialect to display the main gauges for my truck project. I'm not super happy with what I have so far, but it does get drawn automatically. I tried to make it configurable so I can change the look relatively easily.
3
Another version:
Of course, the bars will only be filled in as far as the numbers indicate. Right now, they are showing max values.
 
 
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5:52 AM
@HostileFork @giuliolunati It is a one-line change to allow blocks in paths. Let me know if you want me to tell it to you :)
It is actually this "reason" that makes me think Carl deliberately forbade them. Why, well, that is not so clear.
 
6:33 AM
@MarkI yes please, tell me it!
 
 
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9:29 AM
@Respectech - looks cool, really :-)
 
 
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11:48 AM
@Respectech Out of curiosity I looked to see if there was an instant answer on the legality of custom speedometers, or what rules there might be for them, but there was no instant answer.
    foo: customize :append [
        series: reverse series
        if integer? value [value: value * 2]
    ]

    >> foo [a b c] 10
    == [c b a 20]
That's possible with the frames also, something sort-of-like-specialization except it doesn't remove arguments...you just get a chance to hook-in and process the fulfilled arguments before the function gets called. What do you call that?
I guess the thing is that I can see wanting to do that and specialization at the same, but I don't know where you'd put the bit that said "I want this to be specialized" vs. "I want this to be processing of an unspecialized input"
 
 
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1:06 PM
@giuliolunati Rebol 3 alpha, l-scan.c, line 1485: change "!= '('" to "!='(' && *ep !='['"
Hope that's readable enough giulio.
 
1:46 PM
posted on February 11, 2016 by ladislav

Rebol [ File: %aeq.r Author: "Ladislav Mecir" Purpose: { Transitive approximate equality for decimals, prototype. Uses rounding to the nearest multiple of (tol + tol + 1) Units in the Last Place (ULP). TOL is the given tolerance in ULP. } ] ; rounding tolerance in ULP ; adjust to experiment ; tolerance 5 yields approximate equality ; that is at m

 
2:17 PM
@giuliolunati I actually liked your original idea of M/1/2, was there an overriding reason for not going with that?
Slices and dimensional-reduction I find handy for dealing with multidimensional arrays.
The big problem I see is that blocks cannot be reduced when they are in a path, so cumbersome is kind of an understatement.
You can also make SELECT on maps work with blocks if you like, no need to force them into paths ...
 
@MarkI I don't know that blocks can't be reduced. It could be the meaning of it.
If you don't want reduction, thing/([stuff stuff]) perhaps.
In the core workings of comparison, today the same comparison is used for SAME? as EQUAL?, it's just a matter of options. The function takes two REBVAL* and gives you an answer based on the setting. However, with the RELVAL and REBVAL distinction, this means you can't answer for two RELVALs whether they are the same without additional specifier information.
This means that either the compare interface continue to take REBVALs and every relative sourced comparison has to copy to make a fully resolved bit pattern -or- the compare interface be changed to take not just (a_rebval, b_rebval) but (a_relval, a_specifier, b_relval, b_specifier)... or comparison be changed to (a_relval, b_relval) and SAME? use something different.
Is there something that checks if two blocks are possibly different but demands that the words within them be bound to the same contexts? :-/
 
2:40 PM
@HostileFork There's also map/(reduce [f-x f-y]), which now that I look at it is not all that cumbersome; but I'd prefer map/(f-x)/(f-y). YMMV.
 
map/[f-x f-y] is pretty clear. I guess I like the idea that there's an easy way to get the non-reducing version if you want as map/([f-x f-y]).
In NewPath I was often thinking it would be nice if I could say %some-directory/[filename "." extension]. General trends indicate that if you want that you'd have to say (%some-directory)/[filename "." extension] which isn't so terrible I guess.
 
@HostileFork That is slightly backwards though, don't you think? () executes, [] doesn't, everywhere else.
 
@MarkI Not really backwards, () means use the evaluator.
And blocks are inert in the evaluator.
Path processing is known to be wacky, so I don't know whether embracing the wacky and saying it is engineered for "common cases" is better than commanding it to be uniform to please the unformity gods.
Otherwise we should be picking fields out of objects with obj/'foo etc.
 
I myself am even doubting my "words have to all have the same content model" idea. Consistency is indeed a bit of a hobgoblin.
>> append %some-directory/ [filename "." extension]
 
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== %some-directory/filename.extension
 
2:49 PM
I guess path slashes can sort of mean "append reduce" ...
>> append 'a/%some-directory to-word append "" [filename "." extension]
 
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== a/%some-directory/filename.extension
 
Right, file-paths aren't really paths ...
 
For better or worse, I guess.
I've been convinced on URLs at least, that the atomicity is probably the more valuable thing to not have to escape to get.
 
"atomicity"? "escape"?
 
e.g. my suggestion was that @http://whatever/whatever (or something like it) be the sigil for saying you got an ANY-STRING! vs path [http: none! whatever whatever]
But I think that having the http:// cue a URL!-flavored string form is too much a selling point, more so than the structural composition is.
@giuliolunati One of your wishes is now granted... %reb-series.h and %reb-value.h are dead. :-) I went and looked, and it's only used in one place in R3-View, which will be easy to get rid of (RL_Gob_Width, RL_Gob_Height...or RL_Gob_Property(xxx... something like that)
@MarkI earlier I said that objects, self, inheritance are now bugaboo #1, but PRINT is still a bugaboo that isn't nailed down. In a sense, if PRINT cannot be "solved", then the whole point of this--the point of dialecting--the idea of creating a flexible and direct tool for basic scripting is kind of out the window, definitionally scoped returns or specifically bound recursions working or not.
To recap: x: ["status code is:" format hard drive] (lots of stuff, then much later...) print x => formats your hard drive, prints status code.
>> x: ["status code is:" format hard drive] print [x]
 
3:09 PM
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status code is: format hard drive
 
But put it in a block, then it doesn't run the code. It's not based on the literalness or not of the source, it's the outermost layer of a block passed to print that executes.
Whether that outermost layer comes from print x where x is a block, or print [...] as a block directly, if there is an outermost block it is live.
If we were philosophizing back in the day we might suggest such dangers should be encoded in the instruction, hence reprint [...] would "reduce and print", so you don't have to type print reduce [...].
Now that reduce of a value containing a WORD! will GET it, it means that foo: 1 | x: 'foo | print reduce x will print 1.
Bear in mind I'm not afraid of legacy here, there can be a legacy PRINT that acts like today, the question is about the right answer. If x is the block [reverse "abc"], and I say print x, what did I likely mean. Might it be wrong to assume "live-ness" in print without being asked specifically for it?
Is it possible that REDUCE needs a shorter notation? Is this perhaps the best application for the theorized "GET-BLOCK!"? print :["The value is" 1 + 2]
Or perhaps a stray operator, like print & ["The value is" 1 + 2]
print could also become prescriptive, and soft-quote its argument. It could then tell the difference between a literal block and a block given as a spec. print ([reverse "abc"]) could thus print out [reverse "abc"], as would x: [reverse "abc"] print x, but print [reverse "abc"] would print cba. To help reduce errors, it could demand only blocks or groups as parameters so you wouldn't forget and type print x + 1.
 
3:33 PM
Yet another possibility, and possibly the most reasonable one, is that PRINT only take BLOCK!. This would discourage habits of people typing in print arbitrary-value, having it work fine for inert values, and then one day get passed a block and execute code.
print [x] is not terrible, and with Ren-C's optimizations single-element blocks are significantly cheaper than they were. The slightly "heavy" appearance lended by the blocks helps to suggest that it's a line--and will be printed on its own line.
Also, the block-and-reduce-based construct could be switched to say (or whatever) while PRINT was a non-newline outputting, non-evaluating output routine.
This could also be the difference between PRINT and PRINT/ONLY. PRINT might demand that its input be a block, and involve evaluation and a newline... while /ONLY open it up to other value types... don't reduce, and no newline.
 
4:09 PM
@WiseGenius See above ^-- I am leaning to saying that the right answer is to make PRINT require a block unless you say PRINT/ONLY
 
4:21 PM
That gets people out of the habit, generally, of writing print x. They will always think in terms of writing print [x]. If they think that way as a general rule ("I'm typing print, the next thing I type will be [") then it can avoid the danger of not perceiving that you are typing in a block that will be reduced.
So if they do write print x on purpose, they know it's a block...and that is what they likely meant; that PRINT is an operation "known to reduce". It would stand out among all the other print [...] that the block was missing.
 
@HostileFork I really don't like that idea. I use print a lot, and I expect others do too. It's already a pain in Red/System to have to write print-line everywhere you meant print. I think it would be worse to have to write print/only or print [...] that often. I liked the idea of print/only replacing prin. I don't know the solution to the above problem. Maybe it's reprint... ugh! Honestly, I'm falling asleep right now, so I might think about it later.
 
@WiseGenius What is so hard about print [x] ? Hm.
Sounds kind of penny-wise pound-foolish... anyway, nite...
 
@HostileFork Goodnight.
 
5:05 PM
(print-line was-and-is, however, indeed a disaster.)
 
5:24 PM
So long as I am rambling out loud here about PRINT, I'll mention the other PRINT issue, which is the meaning of BAR!. I like the idea of using it, and the thing I think ergonomically we've learned over time is that "adding things to take them out" is kind of fundamentally bad. So having foo ["a" "b"] make "a b" and foo ["a" nospace "b"] make "ab" is an unnatural proposition, for any FOO and NOSPACE.
Yet treading on the essential simplicity of print ["The value is" x] being able to output The value is 10 as opposed to being forced to say print ["The value is" | x] is really something to think about. With BAR! the option is on the table to get it down to just one character for the delimiter, and it solves a ton of other problems to not go against the grain with this spacing by default.
If you compare print ["The value is" | x] to the typing-intensive and noisy print ["The value is" space x], or the abbreviated and ugly print ["The value is" sp x], it compares favorably. The idea that | is a placeholder which can be abstracted to a delimiter of your choice is attractive as well. The simple fact is that assuming a space is convenient but only matches a subset of real world cases, so it may be the "tradeoff we've been looking for".
That it also delimits expressions for argument consumption is a nice bonus, too. It is sort of paying for itself, by saying at each place you are positioning a space you are also putting a speedbump in for the evaluator.
I guess the thing I would say is that yes, print ["The value is" | x] is a notch away from print ["The value is" x] on the essentialism scale, all things being equal. But experience seems to suggest things aren't all equal. It's more an exception to the rule than the rule that you never want to join expressions without spaces; you have these relatively few cases where it's true, and this is why print rejoin was so common.
And there is always the option from other languages, which sucks, but... print ["The value is " x]. I don't like spaces at lead or tail of string literals, myself.
 
5:40 PM
I still don’t see what’s wrong with print ["The value is" x]
 
@HostileFork @rebolek It is very sad that this one thing that made PRINT so useful, namely automatic spacing, is being destroyed.
 
I don't know that I was making any specific recommendations on destruction.
 
@MarkI Yes
 
@HostileFork Well, you are talking about destroying automatic spacing, aren't you?
s/destroying/removing/
 
I am talking about the nature of spacing and not taking options off the table while studying the holistic realities of what happens in experience.
I have lots and lots of pressures on the design space. Remember, Rebmu doesn't want a single character in there if it can be elided
 
5:43 PM
But is Rebol really just a bootstrap for Rebmu, or do other people use it too?
 
I personally would like to take the option of putting the spaces in the strings yourself off the table, but I'm OK with mentioning it :)
 
I dunno. I respond to Shixin's requests because he has adapted R3-View to use Ren-C, and you aren't really a customer because we have not had a good relationship, so for now it's a bootstrap for Rebmu and some industrial automation software.
But also, I am thinking in general about imperative programming in a sort of way that a graphic designer might.
 
I don’t understand why still must make it personal. I don’t agree with some of your design decision but I am still Rebol user.
 
Well, at times when things were a bit more unstable (more stable lately) the choices of your lines of remarks did more damage than they might otherwise.
Right now, not really an issue.
 
Really? What damage did my remarks?
Damage to your ego, that’s possible.
 
5:46 PM
No, just damage in terms of thinking that I'd invested too much in an artifact and a line of questioning when the other people weren't in it for the same reasons and weren't really "my people" and I was wasting my time.
 
I don’t understand what you just said.
 
At times when--for reasons not necessarily explicable by reason--I was thinking and investing a lot in a small obscure imperative programming language, I allowed the selective negativity of your remarks to be a larger influence on me than they should have been, and it also reached further into projecting onto other people, who are different people after all.
I'm not currently doing that--merely working on the small obscure imperative programming language for reasons not necessarily explicable by reason.
 
I really appreciate the bugfixing work you have done, there’s no doubt about it. At the same time I strongly oppose some of your design decisions. You make it personal and it’s not really necessary.
 
Well thank you for saying, but I'm not just "fixing bugs"
And I think the thing which I've tried to communicate, which others think sometimes comes down to a cultural thing, and it has been pointed out this is Internet collaboration with people from Eastern Bloc etc., and it's not like people even from the same culture and native language do so well on the Internet in the first place...
...but, there is an element to which there's a meta-conversation. You can say "the sky is blue" in the middle of a conversation, and it may be a true and inoffensive statement. But people still might think it strange for you to say that. Which is to say that there's always "a context"
 
I know you’re not just fixing bugs. You are trying to change every corner of the language. I don’t like it. That’s all.
 
5:53 PM
So some of the context is "arrrgh there's no pleasing you people" if every single comment after weeks or months of work is something negative, with little else said besides the negative.
@rebolek But you aren't understanding that I'm focusing on configurability. Choice. The whole point is choice. So instead of talking about how my choices are affecting the language, think about how I'm opening doors to more choice. Consider for instance the change to DO with variadics: github.com/metaeducation/ren-c/blob/…
You said you thought variadics were dangerous. I agreed, basically, and in fact that's one of the reasons I thought DO shouldn't have a special ability to "reach outside" and pick up function arguments.
>> do :add 1 2
 
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== 3
 
>> do [print "what's the arity of do... is it 1? or 3?"]
 
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what's the arity of do... is it 1?  or 3?
 
I wanted to stop DO, a system function, from being "variable arity". And over time, evolutions of the techniques made it possible that if you choose to, you can make variadic functions. Note that this "legacy DO" has 3 variadic taps, for each kind of quoting
Is this DO kind of "bad"? Yes, but it's the R3-Alpha DO. The core DO is now not bad any more, it only lets you run arity 0 functions
 
@HostileFork you say it’s about choice but then you want to force everyone to use print ["the value is" | x]. What choice do I have here?
 
5:58 PM
@rebolek That's not what I said, and I have the advantage of transcripts above me. I'm talking about ideas.
 
Yes, but ideas get implemented later.
 
Again, it is my opinion, that you are rehearsing the false rhetorical position.
You've been in a sense fear-mongering for a while against what I might do. It's been years now. What terrible thing have I done to the language?
(Let's put aside the notion that you can build and change the source as you like, let's imagine I'm sole Rebol 3 provider.)
The things I'm uncertain about I am still working on. I started them as questions, because I wanted to know. I wanted to know what if we said PARSE? was the TRUE/FALSE version, and that PARSE returned something "more interesting, but still truthy or falsey". I haven't necessarily come up with what's more interesting yet. I don't actually like what it's doing now (returning the input) but it starts a line of thought.
I know I don't like the input coming back as a result, but I still think that PARSE returning just true and false may be weak. So it's stressing my thought on what PARSE might return that would be more useful.
And I am empowered through the magic of "knowing how to program in C, and be very good at it, even if I hate it" the ability to imagine things like "a result that encodes the point of failure in parse so you could continue it"
 
Look, I’m not fear-mongering. I just oppose some of your proposals, that are not enhancements, but just changes for chage’s sake.
 
Okay, so you don't oppose anything that's been done, that you can think of, offhand?
 
I don’t know, because I haven’t used Ren/C yet.
Mainly because of lack of time.
 
6:05 PM
I'd think--in a way--if you notice the compatibility DO, that even the 100% opposition to variadics may be off...
I mean, the old DO was variadic, right?
Rightly or wrongly, it was.
 
Was it?
 
Sure.
How was it not?
>> do :print "one argument"
 
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one argument
 
Er, two arguments I mean
>> do :add 1 2
 
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== 3
 
6:07 PM
Three arguments.
 
Funny, I see just one.
 
Okay, then what did that one-arity function return?
 
ADD func that takes two args?
 
Not true.
@RebolBot
my-func-returns-add: func [] [return :add]
my-func-returns-add 1 2
 
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== 2
 
6:10 PM
DO doesn't just return a function
In R3-alpha, it calls the function
If it's going to call the function it needs arguments.
Where does it get those arguments? Well, you either pass them legit as a parameter, or it sneaks out and variadically gets them from the place you called DO.
 
I don’t know the internal implementation, so I will believe you.
 
Well, you don't have to know the internal implementation.
You can just see that DO is doing something you couldn't (in R3-alpha) do yourself.
You couldn't write my-do :add 1 2 that took the 1 and 2 and added them to make 3
Because your my-do, if it was single arity, would have :add as a FUNCTION! and be stuck.
The 1 and 2 are sitting in the evaluation line, to be run, after... but my-do can't see them
(if it is just arity 1)
Right?
Well, it is right, so the thing is that if you realize that DO in R3-Alpha was variadic, then you might see that variadics at least have a place in the compatibility layer to run code that expected it to behave as so, and I think that's kind of a neat sample of the bridge, considering it was literally written in a few minutes.
But not only is it kind of interesting that variadics exist, it's that I've sort of wrapped it up so that ideas like hard quoting and soft quoting apply to chaining variadics...to where even if you decide to go down that road that "breaks composability" that there is still composability available.
Though I have--as stated--suggested variadic access be a security setting, and that the core not use it, hence my prohibition of DO from running functions that aren't arity 0. So it can not need the switch.
red> do :add 1 2
 
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*** Script error: source is missing its value1 argument
*** Where: source
*** Stack: do-console all not unset? set do first head reduce do* _execute if all not unset? set do first head reduce do* do first head reduce do* source
 
Hm, did DocKimbel name DO's arg source?
>> help do
 
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USAGE:
    DO value /args arg /next var

DESCRIPTION:
    Evaluates a block, file, URL, function, word, or any other value.
    DO is a native value.

ARGUMENTS:
    value -- Normally a file name, URL, or block (any-type!)

REFINEMENTS:
    /args -- If value is a script, this will set its system/script/args
        arg -- Args passed to a script (normally a string)
    /next -- Do next expression only, return it, update block variable
        var -- Variable updated with new block position (word!)
 
6:24 PM
No, but that's interesting, as that's what I called DO's argument in Ren-C...and the word "source" somehow made it into Red's error message.
 
red> help do
 
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USAGE:
    do source

DESCRIPTION:
     Execute code from a source..
     do is of type: function!

ARGUMENTS:
     source

REFINEMENTS:
 
That’s Red version, you wrote >> instead.
 
@rebolek Ah, thanks, well that explains it then.
Funny, we'd pick the same word, but yeah... DO of a place to find the SOURCE
red> do 1
 
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== 1
 
6:33 PM
red> do <passthru?>
 
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*** Script error: <passthru?> has no value
*** Where: do
*** Stack: do-console all not unset? set do first head reduce do* _execute if all not unset? set do first head reduce do* do
 
@rebolek Well, anyway, I guess I think that if you talk about things as being "too personal" vs. not, I guess the question I might launch in response would be "well then, what is personal?" When is one obligated to sync or scan the code of those you talk to. @MarkI has noted in transcript the idea of there being a difference between me "being me" vs. reading how he feels to know when to say "hm, sorry if that bugged you"
In our conversations present, it must be apparent, that I consider something more important than these minutiae. The minutiae are a reaction test, something as esoteric as whether a pupil dilates or not.
@rebolek Do you think Leon has good questions in the scene? Is the interviewer the bot?
 
Sorry, I will watch it later, I need to leave now.
 
@rebolek Later, I'm sure I'll say something that has nothing to do with thousands of corrective commits worth remarking on :-)
 
@rebolek Thanks for dropping by!
 
6:45 PM
@MarkI Eh, if you want to pass the test, we need a cat picture.
 
      |\      _,,,---,,_
      /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_
     |,4-  ) )-,_..;\ (  `'-'
    '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)
 
If anyone questions my authenticity, it can be traced to an actual cat. That's actually -- for those of you reading in pre-000, a bit of a "real-estate" claim. I campaign against the relevance of such, but, still point at it.
@MarkI That's a dolphin racecar mackerel.
In the treaty of 100384, dolphin racecar mackerels had a qualified status depending on a clause on 4 vs A.
 
It doesn't look that good in SO's I must say annoying fixed font.
 
Eh, well, SO is SO.
I'm busy in alternates trying to figure out what happened to Jeff Atwood.
Because, seriously, what happened to Jeff Atwood?
 
Or Discourse for that matter.
 
6:52 PM
@MarkI (Jeff Atwood was cofounder of StackOverflow)
yeah, discourse.
Who uses it?
At this point in time, StackOverflow is a random amalgamation of basement-dwelling (self-included, not in a basement, it's the spirit not the statement) people answering questions for... reasons not quite understood.
I don't like engaging StackOverflow Q&A right now.
@MarkI do you have a real cat, and are you something besides a laugh-off account of the Harvard Mark-I?
 
Two blinks for double-yes.
 
@MarkI You read about Clever Hans?
It's a funny story.
Clever Hans (in German, der Kluge Hans) was an Orlov Trotter horse that was claimed to have been able to perform arithmetic and other intellectual tasks. After a formal investigation in 1907, psychologist Oskar Pfungst demonstrated that the horse was not actually performing these mental tasks, but was watching the reactions of his human observers. Pfungst discovered this artifact in the research methodology, wherein the horse was responding directly to involuntary cues in the body language of the human trainer, who had the faculties to solve each problem. The trainer was entirely unaware that he...
A funny story about "horse sense"
As in, "horse sense to the point where they have to call in professional psychologists"
As in, the horse knew something, but not how to count.
I think cats are clever, I think they just don't care.
 
7:26 PM
@MarkI thank you for that patch, I'll try it. About M/1/2 : not so easy to implement, but we will see...
 
7:53 PM
@HostileFork I like the part where the dolt is "not convinced by the science" and continues blithely on to his dying day ...
 
 
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@HostileFork I can't find the macro GET_VAR mentioned here‌​... Should use Get_Var_Core ?
 

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