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12:01 AM
Hmmm... so unusable for me :-(
 
It would seem that a little stub for read and write to get data from files would be a nice interim thing. But Doc can send a bit of a mixed message about what kind of "interim" things are hacky and should be avoided vs. not.
If you showed that some interesting demo could be achieved if READ/WRITE could give you back information, he might be swayed.
@giuliolunati Did you see dungeon.red?
 
@giuliolunati unuseable for most of us until then
 
I tried to do "vector ASCII art" instead of just lighting up segments like on an LCD, so it's more complex than it needs to be...it was supposed to be scalable
Anyway, it was a bit of a bleeding edge experience to try writing that in Red, and it wouldn't work without an IO pull request I sent.
Today it will work without that patch, and I've changed it accordingly. But if you want READ and WRITE to do a file it may not be that hard; and if the demo is important it might sway him to solve the problem for you.
He didn't take my PR, but he did something else that made it work.
 
@pekr Apparently, he just purchased a MacOSX server in a datacenter in Georgia for Doc to use for Red development. We'll see for sure when Doc verifies that he has access to it.
 
1:01 AM
@Respectech Server is verified as working. I don't know that he purchased it specifically; it sounds as if he can provision these via some kind of site license, for other projects, and offered the resource to Red.
 
Does the server really need to run 24/7 just to do builds? Seems excessive. Why not just spin them up as needed?
 
Note that he said "I have these resources" ; it seems his line of work is specifically in the provisioning and administration/evangelism of Atlassian workflow tools. twitter.com/mrpastewart
And I'm sure that can be a successful line of business. It's confusing as to what would land him talking to us, exactly.
 
1:31 AM
@giuliolunati There is Kai's C library binding, which has basic read/write and some other functions. But don't expect any port based mechanisms like in Rebol ... red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-C-library/tree?ci=trunk&expand
 
2:03 AM
@HostileFork I think that's his business. Ours is to get R3 finished. If he's happy to help, let's take the funding.
 
As for the priorities, what is the state of CALL? Do we have anything like Red here? Maybe even more important than console - github.com/red/red/tree/master/system/library/call
 
@HappySpoon Well, ($500 / 643 open issues in CureCode) is a bit less than 78 cents per issue closed. Let's say that closing each issue took, on average, an hour. You are making 78 cents an hour. And upgrading the emscripten build to being a full implementation of Rebol/View for $1000, working at that hourly rate continuously, it would be finished by November 22nd.
 
@HostileFork Patrick needs some help to get the hourly rate right, but he is hoping others will also contribute.
Your calculation is based on no one else contributing. But you may not know we had bounties before.
I think $750 was the bounty for a Rebol2 like library interface from multiple people. But no one took it up.
 
@HappySpoon Or you could learn C...
 
2:25 AM
@HappySpoon From the commit logs, it took Shixin a bit more than a month (cycle time) to build that.
 
@earl it would have paid for the coffee though!
 
2:51 AM
@pekr No, we don't have that for R3, yet.
 
 
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5:36 AM
@pekr - thanks, I'll have a look
 
5:57 AM
please add a bounty for CALL implementation. R3 is totally useless in that regard. Red sources might be a good source of info here ...
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6:24 AM
@pekr You're welcome to post one, or ask if Patrick is willing.
@earl has worked on call in the past so probably has a good idea of how much work it will require.
 
I think that ideally two channels are needed - one for suggestions and discussions, the other one for just proposals. That was, it keeps signla to noise ratio low on altme for e.g.
 
@pekr can you cross post these bounties to Altme in case someone there wants to work on any
And facebook.
 
 
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9:33 AM
@HappySpoon That project is stalled, it needs custom input scheme to be fully working.
If you can live without INPUT or ASK, then it's working, AFAIR.
 
 
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11:29 AM
>> do http://raw.githubusercontent.com/rgchris/StyleTalk/master/styletalk.r
to-css [canvas %file.img]
 
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/access-no-scheme.html
    *** ERROR
** access error: missing port scheme: https
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/access-protocol.html
    *** ERROR
** Access error: protocol error: "Server error: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"
 
@rgchris When I run the code above, I got background-image: none.
btw, rebolbot should be really upgraded to use HTTPS scheme
 
 
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2:46 PM
@pekr I use 'call in R3 all the time. Yes, it could be more complete, but it works alright, at least on Linux.
 
2:57 PM
how do you replace call/wait/output? (well, without resorting to write into temp files etc.)
 
3:07 PM
@pekr call/wait works. For /output, I redirect to a file on ramdisk. It's not perfect, but it works.
I've been beating my head against the wall for a whole day on a lighttpd (webserver) configuration problem. It runs R3 as a CGI process fine, but cannot access an external directory. Somehow I got the exact same thing working on another system, but can't recreate it.
R3 says

** Access error: cannot open: %video/ reason: 13
 
@Respectech That's a relative path. Have you tried seeing what an absolute path does? What does Rebol think the current working directory is?
 
(I symlinked %video/ to the external directory). It doesn't work if I explicitly state the path to the external directory. Annoying.
Rebol thinks the current working directory is %/var/www, which is where %video/ is symlinked.
 
@Respectech You've tried opening %/var/www/video/ ?
@Respectech If it's a unix error code, then error 13 is "permission denied". What account is lighthttpd running its process under? Are your permissions on the directory set to read and execute for that user?
You might need to chmod it so that the account lighthttpd is running under has the right permissions.
 
@HostileFork Yes.
@HostileFork lighttpd is running under www-data. I've also tried adding www-data to the root and odroid groups as well, as both of those have access to that directory from within Rebol, no problem.
@HostileFork I made an /etc/fstab entry to give 777 permissions to the entire directory, and also tried 750 just in case lighttpd wouldn't work with full permissions.
 
3:22 PM
@Respectech I think "strace" would be helpful in this case
it can give you the path, and real error code from "open"
 
@Respectech Are you sure the user being spawned is the same as lighthttpd to run the Rebol process? Have you tried running id from CALL? Have you tried spawning other non-Rebol commands to see what they do about the directory, can they read it? Can you read files in it? Can things you spawn read it?
 
3:46 PM
I have to get into a meeting, but I'll answer these great questions when I get back.
 
 
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7:21 PM
@rebolek Strange, a file by itself should set the background image. canvas without a color/edge parameter should be ignored. Will look at it...
 
@rgchris When I tried something like .my-style margin 50 canvas %some-file, it returned .my-style {margin: 50px; background-image: 50px;}
 
Ah, not good. Shouldn't bleed values like that...
 
It's strange that I encountered this problem only with background picture, because the source looks exactly the same as for other properties.
Right now I use simple workaround in the form of .my-style margin 50 %some-file canvas %some-file
 
Does it work with just .my-style margin 50 %some-file ?
 
let me see...
yes, looks like it does
 
8:26 PM
Hm, no—it is a bug.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:23 PM
Lego really lost its mojo when they stopped arranging the pieces so you could open the top flap and see everything in its right place, and went to just putting things in baggies in the box.
It's like the difference between unboxing an Apple product where everything is arranged in the packaging, vs. where you get something and kind of have to turn the box upside down and shake it to see if there is a cord or widget you missed amongst packing peanuts.
I realize that "extra" packaging and thought like that creates extra work, and possibly some waste. Maybe you shouldn't do it for everything, and just have people go down at some point to the lego store and buy pieces in bulk...bring your own canvas bag or whatever.
(you can do that at the Lego stores, actually, not that it's by any means "cheap")
I mentioned my fondness for Spirograph in this respect (as well as thinking it's a fantastic toy)
 
10:50 PM
@HostileFork Seems they are doing pretty well. Got a lot of mojo left, I believe
 
I don't like the sets anymore.
This is the only good thing they've done lately.
 
11:02 PM
@rebolek the bot sends code for execution over to tryrebol which is running the rebolsource build without https sadly. The bot itself is running on the atronix build with https.
 

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