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5:24 AM
posted on July 26, 2016 by Diago

exists? http://rebol.com  not for the past 24 hours at least.  Has it vanished?

 
5:46 AM
>> read dns://www.rebol.com
 
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
== 162.216.18.225
 
 
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6:51 AM
Asked Bo to ping Carl/Cindy about the rebol.com outage ...
 
 
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1:45 PM
posted on July 26, 2016 by CalmoSoft

Hello, Where can I download the Rebol 4.0 from? Greetings, Gal Zsolt (~ CalmoSoft ~)

 
 
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3:44 PM
@ingo Can you run those 3 copy/parts that are failing on your ARM device and open an issue with what they actually return? These were the failures:
[[1] = copy/part tail [1] -1] "failed"
[[1] = copy/part tail [1] -2147483647] "failed"
[[1] = copy/part tail [1] -2147483648] "failed"
 
4:29 PM
@RebolBot
code: [either same? code/4 "This string" [print "same"] [print "different"]]

print ["fourth element is" code/4]

do code

test: does code
test
 
; Brought to you by: try.rebol.nl
fourth element is This string
same
different
 
Rebol is willing to say, for instance, that there is no "parent"...given that blocks can be imaged multiple places. If you want that you do it manually. What if the notion of SAME? was removed from the language, where if you wanted an identity beyond equality you'd have to invent some tracking number scheme yourself?
 
@HostileFork I"ll do it when I have access to tube device next time. Maybe I can get my spare one set up, so you can get remote access. Not so easy though, since I changed my ISP.
 
@ingo No rush...whenever you get the time.
The "get rid of same?" idea isn't really a serious proposal (though it needs a better name I think, same? is too close to equal?)... but I'm wondering exactly how this copying-invariant can work, when so many things need to copy.
 
 
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7:18 PM
posted on July 26, 2016 by IngoHohmann

>> copy/part tail [1] -1 == [] >> copy/part tail [1] -2147483647 == [] >> copy/part tail [1] -2147483648 == [] (should have been [1] in all 3 cases)

 
 
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10:13 PM
^-- The above is a great example of a problem which is about too much "what" and too little "why". Anyone with some sophistication is going to ask "why". And there should be an answer to it.
 
10:32 PM
I think the answer is that it is not good that you can edit a function body at any time, and you should have to make some effort to build the kind of function that does that. It should be possible, but there is no reason to hinge the default behavior of the system on an undesirable property...especially when it limits tricks like specific binding etc.
But as I have said, after looking at the mechanical question over time, the compromise I believe is not to do deep copies on every x: [foo [bar]] the interpreter encounters. Instead, simply protect source by default. Require a COPY in order to mutate. This has shown to not be so bad in practice, and it's what you should have done anyway, so it finds more bugs than anything.
 

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