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1:51 AM
Even stronger than before, I believe FUNCTION! and CLOSURE! should be unified and merely specified by a remark in the spec.
My initial off-the cuff idea was closure: yes or closure: no and then picking a default, right now the bias would be to say the MAKE FUNCTION! generator assumes no.
@earl has suggested that defaulting to yes is the better plan, not that people would call make function! that often anyway.
It seems 'which do to use' is already dispatched off of something other than the type, anyway. It's in the EXT bits of the header to pick which dispatcher to use.
So closure and function being the same datatype is less invasive than it would be otherwise; it's not like the spec needs to be scanned on each call
 
2:49 AM
The werewolf hunter hat looks pretty good on the fork.
 
 
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7:22 AM
@HostileFork I would think that rather than this all-or-nothing approach, you might want to be able to choose which arguments have indefinite extent individually in the spec, just as you would choose their type, etc.
It may be more trouble to implement, but if we're going to unify function! and closure! anyway, perhaps we may as well go all the way rather than pretending it's still one type or the other?
 
 
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9:39 AM
@WiseGenius Interesting but definitely more of an implementation hassle; going from a single bit of information to a bit-per-argument. Perhaps worth considering a what-if scenario where it worked and making the notation and naming to apply to all consistent with a reasonable vision of what it might look like if it were allowed.
 
Keep in mind, this idea is coming from someone who's never used closure!s and hasn't yet discovered what makes them so useful in the first place.
I assume others have good reason for wanting them. Otherwise, I'd be just as happy to leave them out altogether.
I'm just supposing that if the option to have arguments with indefinite extent is so useful as to enhance function! (which has been adequate for me so far), then perhaps it would be even more useful to be able to choose which arguments individually?
Again, I wouldn't know since I don't use them to begin with.
 
@RebolBot
foo: function [] [x: 10 y: 20 return [x y]]
probe foo
probe reduce foo
 
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    [x y]
*** ERROR
** Script error: x word is not bound to a context
** Where: reduce
** Near: reduce foo
 
@RebolBot
foo: closure [] [x: 10 y: 20 return [x y]]
probe foo
probe reduce foo
 
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[x y]
[10 20]
== [10 20]
 
9:42 AM
It's useful
 
@HostileFork Oh, so it's not just arguments then?
@HostileFork I'm sorry, I still can't see the use of this. Maybe I just haven't got enough imagination. Or maybe I haven't used Rebol long enough to desire this. Is there any code I could check out which makes good use of it?
 
@RebolBot
foo: clos [x] [y: 20 return [x y]]
probe foo 10
probe reduce foo 10
 
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[x y]
[10 20]
== [10 20]
 
Oh, right. That would work.
@RebolBot
foo: clos [x] [y: 20 return [x y]]
probe foo 10
y: "This is why"
probe reduce foo 10
 
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[x y]
[10 20]
== [10 20]
 
9:53 AM
Hmmm... not what I expected
 
@HostileFork Is this the reason?: "In essence a closure is an object. When you define the closure, it constructs a prototype object, and each time you call the closure, the prototype object is instantiated and the body code is evaluated within that context." - rebol.com/r3/docs/datatypes/closure.html
 
@WiseGenius Most of the time you can return values, but if you are returning some fragment that will be evaluated--as above--you might want it too keep living references. Perhaps the examples that jump to mind for me are metaprogramming oriented. They're somewhat new so you might not find a lot of instances of them, although IIRC R3-GUI uses them by default (or something)
@RebolBot
foo: clos [] [foreach x [10] [y: x]]
print y
 
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    *** ERROR
** Script error: y has no value
** Where:
** Near: try load/all join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script/args...
 
:-/ What's the difference between a CLOSURE and a CLOS then?
Really feeling my hackles up against foreach. fo 'reach. Just each will be better.
@WiseGenius Speaking of your experience with things, interesting to see you've stuck around... :-) Any general observations or thoughts in your work, beyond not having much need for closures?
 
@HostileFork Although I've never read it as fo-reach but always for-each, the name did always surprise me. Are there any other words in Rebol which are 2 words concatenated without a hyphen? Except for even weirder partial words like rejoin, I can't think of any just now.
 
10:07 AM
>> help forskip
 
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USAGE:
    FORSKIP 'word size body

DESCRIPTION:
    Evaluates a block for periodic values in a series.
    FORSKIP is a native value.

ARGUMENTS:
    word -- Word that refers to the series, set to each position in series (word!)
    size -- Number of positions to skip each time (integer! decimal!)
    body -- Block to evaluate each time (block!)
 
>> help forall
 
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USAGE:
    FORALL 'word body

DESCRIPTION:
    Evaluates a block for every value in a series.
    FORALL is a native value.

ARGUMENTS:
    word -- Word that refers to the series, set to each position in series (word!)
    body -- Block to evaluate each time (block!)
 
The FORXXX break the pattern, and I don't care for them
FOREACH being the most heavily used, and easily (I feel) replaced with EACH, which will seem normal to jQuery types ... (so there is precedent for it beyond just "I like it better")
FORALL operates on positions, not elements.
>> forall x [1 2 3 4] [print x]
 
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    *** ERROR
** Script error: invalid argument: unset!
** Where: forall
** Near: forall x [1 2 3 4] [print x]
 
10:10 AM
Hum?
I don't use it, but I thought that would work
 
@HostileFork Sounds like a beer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlemaine_XXXX
 
Or programming pornography.
Oh, ooops.
@RebolBot
data: [1 2 3 4]
forall data [print data]
@RebolBot delete
 
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1 2 3 4
2 3 4
3 4
4
 
As long as I'm bothering to tell Rebolbot to show the help, I should read it, eh?
I actually don't really care for that one, because of its "modifying the series word" property. There are a few of those, and they are sticky when it comes to exceptions and such. But it relates to some kind of optimization.
 
@HostileFork Same. I've used it, but didn't like it.
 
10:17 AM
@WiseGenius But back to my earlier question, "observations"...what have you found good or bad or useful or not?
What directions and changes would you like to see, most importantly?
It continues to be interesting, because sometimes it seems to be squirrelly and I think "I should just stick to C++ and go do more Haskell" or whatever, but then I find myself involved in simple things that seem they should be literate. So I keep wandering back to this question of just how much a literate methodology could get away with, where you read code and it just looks like text "and yet it works anyway"
 
10:37 AM
@GregP Hello... do feel free to go remark upon a Rebol question... if you answer even an old one with your own spin, we can give you two upvotes and the "rebol bump" will get you spam-verified on chat to 20 points :-) Adding an answer to even an "answered" question can count for upvoting.
 
10:51 AM
@GregP Of course, you can ask questions also; and getting reputation is not limited to Rebol. You can browse other tags within your experience
 
@HostileFork As you predict for many, my entry into Rebol was through my hopes for Red which I became aware of through the SO ad early this year.
I started briefly with Rebol 2, but because many of my projects use associative arrays, I got fed up with it pretty fast. Fortunately, I didn't give up before I discovered map! in Rebol 3.
Even with map!'s frustrating case sensitivity “bug”, Rebol 3 has since become my current primary language (there's always a dominant one I do everything in for some phase of my life) with the plan to switch to Red when it's mature enough (and hoping the bug would be fixed).
I even do a lot of programming on my phone in Rebol while standing on a bus, etc.
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I've been concerned about my future enthusiasm for Red ever since this potential revelation:
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/291?m=18976348#18976348
Not for the reasons you were (though I do agree that hash! should be unified into block! somehow if we are to have it, that isn't as high a priority of concern for me).
What scares me is how difficult it's going to be for me if map! is taken away and I have to go back to hash! which makes my code so ridiculously verbose!
 
@WiseGenius Nothing there is set in stone. It's a good time to hammer on the philosophy to get the answer that satisfies everyone.
I see Rebol and Red as both existing and being used for different purposes in the future. As will be evidenced in my binding, the world I see is a "REN" world, where we shape up the "should-have-been-JSON" standard and have a couple of different evaluators/compilers for it.
That said, neither should be weak in an evaluation area unless there is a rationale behind it.
We really do need a "NewPath" style essay that breaks down "NewMap" or "Mapology" where the differences between map and object are laid out clearly, in terms of the essential differences and the design choices.
This essay has not been written, and I imagine people are looking at me going "so... when you going to write it" but BrianH and Ladislav have been quiet lately and we have some new thinkers on the scene so maybe I can not be distracted with that particular treatise. :-)
My blog may be simple, but I will say, that maintaining it is actually relatively pleasant.
@WiseGenius Feel free to submit a PR for your Mapology essay in Draem format to http://github.com/hostilefork/hostilefork.com :-)
 
11:16 AM
@rebolbot
blk: ["a" "b" "c" "d"]
blk/("a"): "x"
blk
 
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== ["a" "x" "c" "d"]
 
@rebolbot
blk: ["a" "b" "c" "d"]
blk/("e"): "y"
blk
 
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; rebol.com/r3/docs/errors/script-invalid-path.html
    *** ERROR
** Script error: cannot access ("e") in path blk/("e"):
** Where:
** Near: try load/all join %/users/try-REBOL/data/ system/script/args...
 
Would it be so terrible if that were to return ["a" "b" "c" "d" "e" "y"] ?
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Hello @Morwenn, thank you for your help thus far. It actually relates to a binding for these little languages...
 
11:26 AM
@HostileFork No problem. I knew you would be on this chat anyway :)
So if you have any more question, don't hesitate :p
 
@Morwenn I've got a pretty nice binding going, still hammering on it. You know any Rebol/Red?
 
@HostileFork You taught me the very basics of the language a few months ago on this very chat.
But besides the syntax and the homoiconicity of the language, I don't really remember much :/
 
@Morwenn I'm a zero kilobyte computer...bit of an amnesiac, so pardon me not remembering :-)
The binding is aiming for:
 
@HostileFork No problem :)
 
    auto someExt = make_Extension(
        "{Demonstration of the C++ Extension mechanism}"
        "blk [block!] {The block to print}"
        "str [string!] {The string to print}",

        [](Block blk, String str) -> Logic {
            print("EXTENSION CALLED!\n");
            print("blk is", blk);
            print("str is", str);
            return true;
        }
    );
@Morwenn I'm actually getting closer to cracking this bit...
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Q: Proxying a std::function to a C function that wants an array of arguments

HostileForkI'm dealing with a C system that offers a hook of this form: int (*EXTENSIONFUNCTION)(NATIVEVALUE args[]); It's possible to register an EXTENSIONFUNCTION and the number of arguments it takes. My idea was that I'd make a class Extension to wrap up an extension. It would be able to be construc...

It has proven to be a bit of a bear.
 
11:30 AM
@HostileFork I will take a few minutes to read the question.
 
The lambda capture was solved with the help from your self-answer
So no redundancy on types; I can just use auto as above. That part is working.
And I'm packing a tuple right now with litb's technique, it's still a bit of a getting-there-from-here thing
This is the nastiest part of the binding... calling back into C++ from Rebol/Red
 
I am having trouble processing both English an C++ today. It will take a little while xD
 
@Morwenn I don't precisely "understand" your self-answer or litb's answer, I just read the in-and-out and go "yes, that's what I want" and close my eyes and cross my fingers to see if it compiles. Which is how I feel about standard library code in general. ;-) But this bizarro universe which we must embrace as C++ programmers is sort of what the rebellion is about...
I saw it said that Rebol had an "axe to grind with traditional programming" but it wasn't the usual axe
It wasn't "we must make programming more formal and correct"
It's like I think George Carlin said "Some say the glass is half full. Some say it is half empty. I say the glass is just too big."
(@WiseGenius Sorry, Morwenn has been helpful in the C++ binding work, needed to greet. Let me look at your question.)
23 mins ago, by WiseGenius
Would it be so terrible if that were to return ["a" "b" "c" "d" "e" "y"] ?
 
@HostileFork No problem! Talk away. I'll still happily be here for hours anyway, haha!
 
Hmmm
 
11:41 AM
@HostileFork Your problem seems a little bit hard. So, if I understand correctly, what you want to do now is convert the C array back to an Expression<...> if possible?
 
@Morwenn Well, right now the impasse I have is that I have an array but I need a tuple.
Somehow that feels closer than I was
 
@HostileFork Do you know the size of the array at compile time?
 
@Morwenn Currently, yes because what I'm doing is sniffing the signature on the lambda via your technique, so sizeof...(Ts) gets it. Then I need to make a tuple out of it.
 
@HostileFork Ok, I'll take a few minutes to work on this.
 
@WiseGenius I like your question because it's fairly essential. Since you're newer than I am to this oldish game, you may not know that one of the big questions of Rebol2 was basically "how far can we get with... just blocks"? In fact, blocks had a type called HASH! which was just a way of saying "I'm going to do keyed access to this, even though I know it's only a block."
Many people, frustrated with the one-size-fits-all concept, pushed toward changes to add first-class maps, etc. Which is still making some folks uneasy. Because the comfortable old world was object, block.
Keyed access to blocks works when there is a key in the block, if there isn't, should it add to the "end"? Why the "end" and not the "beginning"? Blocks are positional yet they act as if they were maps/objects, which is of course something that can break down
@RebolBot
data: [a 10 a 20 a 30]
print data/a
 
11:50 AM
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10
 
@RebolBot
obj: object [a: 10 a: 20 a: 30]
print obj/a
 
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30
 
@WiseGenius The discomfort implied in your suggestion is precisely that aspect of "what position". Comfort zone is, if semantically you find a key and say "here's where I found it" you know where to put the substitution. I don't know that it's any crazier to say "assume the end" than it is to say in the search "assume the first thing you find as a key is what you meant with path selection". But that is sort of crazy to begin with.
Again, someone needs to write "Mapology" or "NewMap" or whatever you call it and just explain what the rules are.
 
@HostileFork Here is a little script to convert an std::array to an std::tuple.
A few more minutes, and I should be able to do the same for a fixed-size C array.
 
@Morwenn My definitions I have available already:
template<int ...>
struct seq { };

template<int N, int ...S>
struct gens : gens<N-1, N-1, S...> { };

template<int ...S>
struct gens<0, S...> {
  typedef seq<S...> type;
};
template<std::size_t...>
struct indices {};

template<std::size_t N, std::size_t... Ind>
struct make_indices:
    make_indices<N-1, N-1, Ind...>
{};

template<std::size_t... Ind>
struct make_indices<0, Ind...>:
    indices<Ind...>
{};

template<typename T>
struct function_traits:
    function_traits<decltype(&T::operator())>
{};

template<typename C, typename Ret, typename... Args>
struct function_traits<Ret(C::*)(Args...) const>
{
    enum { arity = sizeof...(Args) };

    using result_type = Ret;
Which seem redundant already. So I'd like to fold these all up, if possible
 
12:02 PM
Actually, there are standard versions of seq and friends in the C++14 standard library.
 
Still targeting only C++11, so I'm not sure what the condoned way to shim C++14 items in is.
 
Oh, since you were asking about generic lambdas, I thought you were targeting C++14.
 
No, only curious if the way it fell down was a way that would break fixed signatures, and it seems that it won't.
Kerrek's answer on your question had that weird mutable requirement for inference, some of this feels dodgy, so I'm looking for something likely to keep working.
 
@HostileFork And here you go for the fixed-size C-array to std::tuple conversion function.
I have to read Kerrek's answer again.
In your definitions, seq and indices are the same thing.
If you want to adapt the scripts I just linked to your definitions, simply replace std::index_sequence by indices and std::make_index_sequence by make_indices. The classes should be equivalent.
 
@Morwenn Sweet. I'll admit that I might have a bit of a time-delay on integrating implications of even a complete answer to my question... but it does look like things are coming together. My current point is that the wrapped Value type cannot be default constructed...and I'm trying to call the implementation with the tuple of derived Value classes, whose source information that needs to be passed to the constructor is coming out of that C array...
It seems that with enough black magic, this might be possible.
 
12:11 PM
How do you make an array of non-default-constructible values? o_o
 
Well, it's a tuple
A tuple of non-default-constructible values whose source data comes from a C array
Impossible?
 
I will need a code example. I have limits to what I can imagine without code ^^"
 
46 mins ago, by HostileFork
    auto someExt = make_Extension(
        "{Demonstration of the C++ Extension mechanism}"
        "blk [block!] {The block to print}"
        "str [string!] {The string to print}",

        [](Block blk, String str) -> Logic {
            print("EXTENSION CALLED!\n");
            print("blk is", blk);
            print("str is", str);
            return true;
        }
    );
Block and String derive from Value, and they are not default constructible.
My incoming data is NATIVEVALUE args[], that's enough to construct a Block or String (from a NATIVEVALUE*)
As mentioned, your technique is used to sniff the signature on the lambda
So make_Extension can work without repeating Logic(Block, String). I'm pleased about that bit.
 
It doesn't seem that we are default-initializing anything here si it should work.
 
@Morwenn Well I was going to put up a bounty for 300 points on my question, I'll give it to you if you answer with a complete solution. That's like, 30 upvotes. :-)
Everyone loves fake internet points
 
12:22 PM
@HostileFork Do you have the base classes on a GitHub or something so that I can try the real thing to be sure that I am not solving half of the problem?
@HostileFork Hey, I got contacted by Google once thanks to fake internet points :o
 
@Morwenn My relationship with Google is "don't call me, I'll call you." :-) I'm happy to share my experimental mess-of-a-branch but it's exploratory. Most of my reticence to push it has been on naming for political reasons, but I've decided it will be called "rencpp". Hold on, I'll push it.
Of course if I push it now, it doesn't compile. But... oh well.
Read between the lines :-)
 
Ok, thanks :)
 
12:36 PM
@Morwenn Okay, again, this is all exploratory so don't make fun of me. Well, I guess I don't care if you do, but "don't not consider my problem because I have made mistakes" might be the better way of saying it. The header file defining extension is this one. The demo I'm trying to achieve is here
This is the messiest part and not properly isolated in terms of runtimes, but I'm trying to just get anything to work for starters.
 
No problem ^^
 
@Morwenn The common includes file that I'm putting together with namespace utility would be this one, and has noted redundancy, but I'm trying to sort all that out as this seq thing is new to me.
So a proper solution to getting seq in C++11, and unification, would be nice.
 
@HostileFork The seq stuff is some heavy template wizardry. Currently used because there is nothing better. I bet that there ill be changes to the language in the future so that we don't have to use that anymore ^^
 
@Morwenn Note all comments are totally wrong, the only thing to know is that REBCPP is a function pointer.
 
@HostileFork I will try to take that into account :D
 
1:04 PM
I tried to compile the whole thing but there are just too many things intrically linked for it to be simple. I feel lack I just lost half an hour for nothing ^^"
 
@Morwenn Well happy to help... if you're on linux, it should compile easily... but you need to -DRUNTIME=rebol for this test, and then you need to git clone rebol and put it in a peer directory to rencpp. Building rebol is just a matter of make prep and make
 
Unfortunately, I'm in Windows 8.
 
@Morwenn Ah, I'm afraid I have not built for windows :-/ I advise in general, if you don't have one, just throw together some VMs to tear off. virtualbox.org
 
I tried to make rebol with Code::Blocks first, but I guess that the make is supposed to create some missing headers. But the .bat in the make directory didn't work.
 
@Morwenn I put together build directions for Haiku :-)
 
1:10 PM
I love the comments anyway: /// UGLY LAMBDA INFERENCE NIGHTMARE.
 
1:25 PM
@HostileFork It's only because there's the suggested possibility that Red might head back to that one-size-fits-all concept that I'm now exploring how it might work.
Since it seems that Red might be going back to that way if hash! is brought back and map! is made to only have word!s for keys, I'm trying to see if there's a way hash! could be as simple to use as map! is now, without compromising the other ways block!/hash! is used. So I'm wondering if my question above breaks anything for block! (and then I have questions about one other little idea).
Having to decide whether the new pair gets put at the end or somewhere else doesn't look like a “break” to me, because currently it just errors anyway.
I'm not sure how pretending a `block!` is not positional while using it in a way where it doesn't need to be can break down.
@HostileFork I'm thinking that if I intend to use a certain block as a map from the start, I'm not going to have to worry about the preferred behaviour of [a 10 a 20 a 30] because I'm not going to type that when initializing it (unless out of curiosity or mistake, or maybe if I started with large data from elsewhere, but I'm sure I would check it for duplicate keys first).
If I then continued to use this block only in the way I currently use map! (and always skipping 2), I can't think of a situation where duplicate keys would later occur, can you?
@HostileFork Thanks, but although writing an essay does appeal to me (you can tell by the way I delay/bottle up my replies), I'm not ready for that yet. I don't yet have enough experience with Rebol to really contribute usefully in that way.
For a little while yet, I'd still like to keep throwing out little pieces of ideas so others with more experience and knowledge of the Rebol paradigms can tell me what consequences I haven't thought of before building them all up into some great big idea or essay.
But I'll tell you the idea I have in mind while asking the above question: I'm thinking if the above behaviour would not break anything existing, and there was a way for individual block!s and hash!s to be assigned a default skip value (the other little idea), then there would be no need for Rebol 3's map! as far as my uses are concerned.
But I would prefer that Red not go that way at all. Ever since you explained the idea of unifying `object!` and `map!`, that's been growing on me a lot.
Maybe they should both be unified with `block!`! Now there's a mess to write an essay about!
 
@WiseGenius I'm anti-hash! for some of the same reasons I don't like function! and closure!... if something walks like a block and quacks like a block, it should be interfaced as a block. If you want an acceleration under the hood you should be able to ask for it without changing the type.
Either you're pasting your content or you type faster than I do.
(Or there is a latency issue in StackOverflow chat, where it stores up a bunch of messages and posts them all at once.)
 
@HostileFork Haha! I'm pasting, as I sort of implied part way through. Sorry. I guess it was an essay after all.
 
@WiseGenius In the guts of Rebol, there is a type called a REBSER. It is a Rebol series, and indeed a "frame" of an object or context is just a series. So really it is just a block dressed up different ways.
earl has said, counter to my expectations, that he wanted OBJECT as a word to be removed and for what is currently known as an object to be CONTEXT
Then, perhaps re-purpose OBJECT to be applied toward something closer to what people traditionally think of objects being like, with whatever semantics that might have. Constructors, destructors, etc. perhaps?
 
@HostileFork I have thought that sometimes too.
 
@HostileFork So, if I managed to reduce the question on SO to its simplest form, you need a way to call a std::function taking its argument from a fixed-sized C-style array without having to create a run-time loop, am I right?
 
1:40 PM
@Morwenn My first concern is doing it at all...runtime loop or not. Eliminating the runtime loop would be ideal. The issue you've seen from the example of the construction of the wrapped value from native values involves a non-default-constructible type that can construct from a NATIVEVALUE*
 
Well, we have seen functions to transform an array into a tuple and to call a function with the elements of a tuple. We can combine these too into one function.
In this example, I unpack an array of non-default-constructible Value into a function. Did I miss a constraint?
This is currently C++14, but I can trivially convert it to C++11. It wil only be even less readable.
 
@Morwenn Looks promising...but yes, C++11 is my target. (Rebol aesthetics will have a hard enough time with accepting C++11, I need a good "it's time to let C++98 go" set of notes...if you are to use C++ at all, at least use C++11...right?)
 
1:57 PM
Yes, if possible, use C++11. Or C++14 which is a mere update to fix things.
Compilers tend to implement both C++11 and C++14 features without a particular order now that C++14 is out.
So, my question: do you need more or does this function (once converted to C++11) suits your needs? :)
 
@Morwenn It's actually late by my clock (where late=early) so I'm actually running on a half a brain cell just to see if I can answer any questions you might have in helping with this black magic... so my coding processing will be tomorrow. But the easiest way to prove an answer works is to use the language of the example (through lens of my shared mess of an attempt)...
 
So basically, if you can have a function called with NATIVEVALUE* array, and then unpack it to Value which (for instance, maybe) is Logic and Integer, where each inits from Value and has no default constructor, then that will line up.
@Morwenn Certainly, it seems close, my half brain cell hopes to connect the dots. But if a fully connected NATIVEVALUE* to Value example existed, sort of a corrected version of WhozCraig's attempt, I'd be sure I could hammer through it.
(In which he misunderstood the question, but still connected the dots as he saw them)
 
2:49 PM
@Morwenn Thanks for your answer, it does look promising, I will give it a shot tomorrow and if all works out bounty you some points. Thank you very much for your time on this.
For the moment, bio necessity on this terminal must shut down, and I'll go work on some other problems until it charges back up. :-)
 
@HostileFork No problem. I hope I understood enough of the problem to help you. I couldn't get my mind to understand the whole problem, but I may have proposed the adequate tools if you're lucky. Now, please, sleep well :)
 
 
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Q: Is there a better way to restyle REBOL VID modal dialogs?

James IrwinI would like to restyle the modal dialogs in REBOL2's VID, such as alert, request/ok, etc, so that they better fit with the theme of the rest of my application. The only way I've found to do this is to include my own altered version of the request function, substituting my own values into the lay...

 
 
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A: Is there a better way to restyle REBOL VID modal dialogs?

iceflow19Regrettably, as far as I know there isn't. I've had this problem myself in the past. The only way to do it, is as you said. Of course, that's fairly trivial since you can simply do: source request, copy it and make your changes. Request and the other modals are wrapped in functions, which act...

 

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