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12:05 AM
dunno
 
 
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1:11 AM
Is there a way to see if anything has been resolved from a ninject kernel?
 
1:33 AM
not sure - never tried
 
1:45 AM
It is for tests, want to throw if someone binds mocks after resolving
guess I can subclass it
refactoring to modules turned ok
At least I have it split up in files with descriptive names now
+ got rid of pesky Init method
 
 
7 hours later…
8:49 AM
everyone asleep??
 
lol johan do you ever sleep?
 
not enough :)
 
im starting to think you may be a super advanced bot :P
 
Are you working the coming week?
 
8:53 AM
yea unfortunately :(, how about you?
 
nope but brought work with me so np :)
 
hows the work shaping up, is it going well?? I know you cant say much about it :)
 
Think it is going ok but I spend far too much time cleaning up dropped on head at birth type of retarded stuff.
To paraphrase Linus Torvalds.
Do you use TFS?
 
haha yea and yes I use TFS
although not to its full potential
its really just used as a source control store, I don't use any of its build functionality
 
I cloned the repo and am using git locally.
Will probably be impossible to merge my local changes back in. File renames etc.
You should start with the build things, that is the nicest part of TFS.
 
9:00 AM
yea, I was just thinking if there was a plugin that would do that
 
As version control system tfs sucks in comparison with git
@E.LDunn I don't know how much setup is required on the server but setting up a build definition is like five minutes.
 
i have a git login but i have never used it, tfs was chosen as it had built in functionality for all visual studio versions we use at my work and also for the dreaded VB6 we still use
 
I have done it > 20 times and can walk you through it.
Are you at work now? Or have access to the server.
Gated check in with build & tests is nice.
Nice to know that you can't forget a file and break things for other people
 
no, although i have vpn access. I set up practically everything there servers ,machines , routers.. so i made sure i gave myself remote access to everthign :P
 
ok create a new project then and we can try to set up a build def
 
9:04 AM
sure give me 2 minutes i just wanna make a cuppa first if you don't mind waiting??
 
Dunno if the server builds out of the box but I guess we'll see
Np, I'm in the car gf is driving. We are driving 750 km today so gonna be some waiting any way.
 
ok back, where you off too?
 
North of Sweden & family.
Are you connected to TFS?
 
cool , ok just sorting a new project
 
you can try another thing first
 
9:12 AM
whats that
 
Open an existing project that is in tfs
Go to team explorer and builds
check if you have 'create new build definition'
Don't have TFS here so can't guide you very good
 
urggg my work internet is so slow
ok , i need a build definition for the team project apparently
wait a build controller sorry
 
Ah, yes that is a server side thing.
Wasnt sure if it was included outofthebox
 
now jumping on to the server
 
I have never done the server side stuff
hopefully not too hard
 
9:17 AM
yea we can have a look anyways :)
 
Yes, easily worth it if it is < one days work
 
well its go a wizard that should make things easier :)
 
skimming ^ now
 
i may point it to the test collection first not the production lol
 
9:22 AM
lol
 
sounds like you are making progress
great when config stuff like that can work
 
yea its just a wizard, its read, press next and repeat :)
 
notsogreat when you have to google six hours for the missing setting
 
yea, i have to say the worst offender i have used for that is eclipse and the android sdk. it seems like everytime i start it up something new is missing and it takes an age to find a fix
 
that is pain in pure form
I think TFS has an option to use git for version control.
Not a bridge thing afik, real git wrapped in TFS
Never tried it though. It said there was 'no strong business case' when I asked about it.
Dunno how they can't find a case for working version control.
 
9:31 AM
yea, the only thing i'm not to keen on with git ( as far as i understand it ) is its all online on other peoples servers.. can you host git i have no idea??
 
you can host git on your phone
just clone to a folder and you have a full repo
distributed
If the server crashes it is just to pick any repo and continue working vs it
 
F4z
hey,
 
Maybe you are confusing git with github
 
yea i think that's it
hello F4z
 
F4z
9:34 AM
is anyone aware of the WPF Richtextbox poor performance when i'ts loaded with atleast 400,000 characters? a large file?
 
oh i can now create a build definition johan
 
grejt
Then I'll try to walk you through it from memory
The first level is just name right?
 
yupp
and F4z aware, but have no answer
 
Go to Trigger
 
sorry
yupp
 
F4z
9:37 AM
damn, that problem is just soo annoying. absolutely sure no solution?
 
I usually delete the bottom three rows
@F4z never had the problem
 
i don't know, im aware of the issue but never looked for a solution
 
in the remaining row's left column browse to the directory where your solution is
 
F4z
@JohanLarsson you have no problem loading a large textfile and it's smooth with no performance issues?
interesting
 
I usually set the right column to ($SolutionDir)
@F4z I have never used richbox with a large file
 
9:39 AM
yupp got that
 
not sure I'm in the right tab :)
 
i have an active and cloaked status for folders
 
Do you see checboxes for gated check in etc?
 
yea i left that as manual
 
F4z
guess i gotta wait for ms to fix that
 
9:40 AM
You want it as gated check in , so checkins are rejected if build fails
 
ahh good point
 
Np changing later but that should be your default
Do you see option of where to copy outut in the current tab?
I se to this build produces no output.
 
no that's on the tab below called source settings
 
Think it is a deployment thing
No idea what the cloaked stuff is about :)
 
me neither lol
 
9:43 AM
Don't like the sound of it so I usually delete it
You can probably save the def now and try it
Do you write unit tests?
 
i do, although only in my projects. the others in my company dont
oh and i need to fill out a tab called process first before i can save
 
ok dunno if setting up a testrunner is required or outofbox
Screenie of the process tab?
On one tab one has to select a build controller
don't remember which one
hopefully your new build thing shows up there
 
grabbed from google but it shows the process tab :)
oh and yes tests auto run :)
 
ok I usually leave it as default
Tests require a testrunner I think they call it Agent
You probably want:
Analyze test impact: false
 
oh i just need to say what to build as this project has multiple projects
 
9:49 AM
Associate changeset: false or default
@E.LDunn point it to the sln file
 
yea just did that
 
Usually works without config if you selected the solution folder earlier
ok you should be good to go now
did you configure not to produ e any output & gated check in?
 
yea
 
ok, make a change in the code now and check in
it should detect that there is a build def and build on the server
then make a typo so it will not build and try checking in again
when you check in there should be a dialog saying stuff about build
then you click the blue link in the check in pane
opens up a tab with build progress
build will probably fail the first time if you have nuget stuff etc
we check in all things in tfs, referenced dlls etc.
status?
 
yea we do too, ok build worked, now gonna test if it refuses to check in :).. lol first time ive intentionally tried to check in bad code :P
sweet :)
 
9:56 AM
huge feature to have broken build rejected
we have it set up so that it rejects if any test fails also
that way the test suite is kept all green at all times
 
yea i just hope i can get the others to see its point... i can just see them saying well i want to check this in then ill fix this other file ... blar blar blar and at the end it will all work but now i cant check in
ill drag them kicking and screaming if i have too, but i can see them moaning lol
 
Hmm, should not be too hard to see the point if they have a working brain.
did it get rejected?
If the sln is large it gated check ins adds some time to checking in
Our build is ~5 minutes when checking in. Still worth it
 
we both know this, but they very often don't look at the bigger picture and only at there little annoyance of not being able to do a partial checkin, yea sorry i said "sweet" earlier but didn't say it worked :)
 
I disabled code analysis & stylecop etc for the check in build
they can use shelvesets for partial bs no?
wtf @ checking in partial stuff any way.
they want git with local commits
 
i know, i know .. but im not the boss i cant dictate :)
oh i wanted to ask you something johan, do you use EF or any orm framework?
 
10:09 AM
very little only played with it
I'm glad I have no db in my life.
 
ahh ok :)
 
Was the broken check in rejected?
What is the EF q?
 
yes the checkin was rejected lol. The question was regarding ORMs and Repository pattern. I can see the need for both, but both have there problems ORMS with no repos tend to promote data layer abuse I.E data access everywhere or persistent model use as domain objects, then repos tend to get complex when dealing with larger projects .. ive been messing about trying to find a solution that eases both issues but cant.. everything is leaky at best and was just wondering what your process was.
 
What about small repos? Repo per collection/table?
 
that's fine but when you get to larger projects you find that most queries require multiple joins on multiple tables. how do you consolidate repos without being leaky
 
10:18 AM
Ok I have no exp of that.
 
i think i'm being overly concerned, but in my company we share work load so someone can jump in and make changes to projects at anytime no matter who first created the project. this leads to spaghetti code as its easy enough to write queries against the db, but harder to alter them when you don't even know their there. if i don't expose any IQueryables or SQL connections it becomes a little harder for them to splatter db code :)..
but then the repos have to bare the brunt.. oh btw have we lost any regulars that i use to know, other than you i haven't seen anyone else in here.
 
I think Mav & Sisyphe does more web stuff now.
Rudi is never here.
Sean & Netscape are still regs.
 
yea just noticed netscape sleeping over there
hows the drive going anything interesting out the windows ?
 
10:36 AM
I have to drive for a while now so afk
Nice weather and some snow now when we get further north
~10 mmm :)
 
that sounds awesome, well drive carefully and ill catch you later.
 
 
2 hours later…
12:51 PM
bak
@E.LDunn Ask the guys what the upside from checking in broken stuff to main is.
And if they recognize any downsides.
Also there are shelves & branches fr broken stuff.
 

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