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2:00 PM
Yea, no.
 
@Sippy wut?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I guess you were raised like so, parents and society
 
Hell no.
 
@Cerbrus because homosexuals are and were oppressed for their sexual preferences.
 
@rlemon noooo
 
2:00 PM
In concept not in reality.
Lol
 
omg what did the guy just say?
 
> Sexual preference being a matter of precondition and not choice
 
same reason most people are scared by spiders for no reason
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum so are pedophiles
 
A pedophile who doesn't act on urges is the same as a gay person.
Why should he be judged for something he can't control?
 
2:00 PM
education
 
I agree with that @Sippy, but the latter statement is just going to cause drama :P
 
Yeah
 
@JanDvorak yes, that was implied - @Cerbrus asked why we are putting them in the same group.
 
I don't even care really
 
Same here o/
 
2:01 PM
I don't like pedos and I don't like gays
They all make me uncomfortable.
 
oh. Thanks.
 
"In concept not in reality." is no excuse to spout such insensitive shit
 
I am not sure if this is right time for me to ask a javascript question or not.
 
Goddamn
 
But
 
2:01 PM
"But lesbians, it's ok"
 
@Sippy that's incredibly ignorant of you. You should educate yourself.
 
@AwalGarg Yes, please
 
I can get used to gay people.
 
Think before you chat, would you?
 
@dievardump Only if it's HD.
 
2:01 PM
Had gay friends before.
Why should you judge me because of how I feel?
 
But then they kissed in front of me
 
@AwalGarg thanks it was exactly what I was looking for
 
@Sippy I don't judge how you feel, I judge how you act
 
I don't hate them for what they are, they just make me uncomfortable and I don't like feeling uncomfortable.
 
2:02 PM
@Sippy You should consider there being gay people in this room
 
@Sippy if you express your opinion in a chat room - expect people to react to it, judge you and chat about it.
 
At the very least.
 
I can judge you for whatever reason I like
 
@copy How to return an HTMLNodeList and not an array?
 
@Sippy that
 
2:02 PM
And that statement...
Ugh
 
Lol
 
I get your idea behind it
 
@AwalGarg why?
 
@AwalGarg What do you mean?
 
2:02 PM
@Sippy you should work on that, seriously.
 
@SecondRikudo he didn't say they are bad people, just that he doesn't like them :/ not that i'm really defending the position, just think we need to step back a bit
 
@Basj feel free to upvote any of my posts to show gratitude.
 
I am causing drama
And I don't intend to
 
@Sippy that's usual
 
So ama stop.
 
2:03 PM
HAMMERTIME!
 
@JanDvorak curiosity
 
just like I don't like obese people. I'm sure there are some fatties on the internet. They can live their life fine, I just don't like them. :shrugs:
 
I was sorta expecting a "sorry guys", there
 
@Sippy Yeah , I feel uncomfortable when there is straight people around me and my bf, I can understand your feeling.
 
@SecondRikudo like querySelector doesn't return an array, it returns a nodelist. I want to return that from my function.
 
2:03 PM
@AwalGarg done ;)
 
@dievardump I don't judge you for feeling like that.
 
Everyone just chill and read some GitHub commit messages: jsfiddle.net/kendfrey/8yn1ba1t/1/embedded/result
 
@AwalGarg not sure if you can, but I definitely don't want you to
 
@dievardump "bf" ?!?!?!?!?!?!?! you whore
 
@rlemon I wouldn't say that gay people showing affection in public don't make me feel uncomfortable. But then again, people showing affection in public doesn't make me feel comfortable, so I don't think it's a problem with any specific population.
 
2:03 PM
:sobs:
 
!!mdn nodelist
 
@JanDvorak why?
 
@SecondRikudo Possibly a good point.
 
@rlemon It's a fake case. You are the only one in my heart. ever.
 
2:04 PM
@SecondRikudo yea PDAs are inaprops no matter who it is
 
PDAs make me gag haha
 
@SecondRikudo: affection as in hugging, or full-on frenching?
 
lol he seriously upvoted one of my post... not sure if I did the right thing :(
 
@Cerbrus Hugging can be as bad when they won't fucking let go of eachother
 
@Cerbrus I'd guess the latter
Never had a problem with hugs before
 
2:04 PM
I don't mind anyone doing their thing around me as long as it doesn't harm anyone.
 
Walking round as a single entity.
 
@Sippy: wat
 
a kiss goodbye or something is fine. making out in public.. well shit. get a room
 
@rlemon that.
 
unless I can join
 
2:05 PM
Oh, or if they're ugly.
 
^
 
@AwalGarg there are two paragraphs on MDN explaining why ;-)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Had to be said :D
 
if I can join, it's probably cool ;)
 
When I see a couple making-out, I follow them. With some chance will I be able to fap.
 
2:05 PM
@Basj I was just kidding man... if you didn't read that post and upvoted blindly, you might want to read it and undo the vote if you don't find the post worthy of it.
but thanks still...
 
Speaking of following them - did you see that crazy NY video of a girl who filmed herself walking around and getting harassed all day?
 
Yeah
 
Nope?
 
@AwalGarg I know you were joking, but I went to your answers, and randomly discovered something useful in your answer, so no problem, it's a real upvote ;)
 
2:07 PM
Let's see
 
@JanDvorak basically, I want to return a live node list collection from my grouped alias function to get elements...but can't find a way :(
 
@dievardump That literally doesn't happen in the UK
 
Geez, those guys are pathetic o.O
 
Not that I've EVER seen
 
@Basj thanks then :)
 
2:09 PM
Would be interesting to do in London though
 
@AwalGarg how would you update it?
 
Seeing as that's not really the UK anymore :D
 
The easiest thing to say is "oh - it doesn't happen here"
@Cerbrus it's pretty horrible
 
@JanDvorak no idea... that's what I am looking for. I thought returning a node list of the "live" type would do the thing automatically.
 
Never seen it happen in Amsterdam, but then again, I'm a guy.
 
2:10 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not saying that in a defensive way
I'm just saying I've never even heard a girl complain of it
 
@Sippy In France it happens in every big city, every minutes. Girls get raped in trains or street and people seeing/hearing do not do anything
 
@dievardump Do they surrender instead?
 
@dievardump there is a name for that effect.
 
Low blow .. :D
 
@Sippy we always surrender, you know it.
 
2:11 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum bystander effect or someshiz
 
I do.
 
@Sippy doesn't mean it doesn't happen
 
It's that, when there's enough bystanders, people are reluctant to be the first to help...
 
The bystander effect, or bystander apathy, is a social psychological phenomenon that refers to cases in which individuals do not offer any means of help to a victim when other people are present. The probability of help is inversely related to the number of bystanders. In other words, the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that any one of them will help. Several variables help to explain why the bystander effect occurs. These variables include: ambiguity, cohesiveness and diffusion of responsibility. == Social psychology research == The bystander effect was first demonstrated...
 
Not their responsibility and stuff
 
2:12 PM
@KendallFrey yeah, something about as the number of people increases the chance any one of them will do anything gets smaller. It's named after a rape case in the states where people did nothing.
 
@KendallFrey I used to spend loads of time in town centers and stuff when I was younger, and I never saw anything remotely like that.
 
@KendallFrey there is a different name I think
 
she is good looking
 
@AwalGarg You can create a live collection that duck-implements the NodeList API using getters and setters, but it won't be easy, and it won't be too useful
 
2:12 PM
This is the term I was looking for!
Diffusion of responsibility is a sociopsychological phenomenon whereby a person is less likely to take responsibility for action or inaction when others are present. Considered a form of attribution, the individual assumes that others either are responsible for taking action or have already done so. The phenomenon tends to occur in groups of people above a certain critical size and when responsibility is not explicitly assigned. It rarely occurs when the person is alone and diffusion increases with groups of three or more. == Conditions == Diffusion of responsibility occurs in large group settings...
 
m59
wtf gents. How in the world did people get the impression that it's ok to not use semicolon's in js?
 
@Loktar who?
 
the 10 hour walking girl
she looks like umm
Kim Kardashian a bit
 
When your boss tells you to copy data from the client (privacy breach?), do you do it?
 
@m59 "Ooooh the language completes them for me! That's awesome!"
 
2:13 PM
@Neil No
Not without putting his name on it.
 
m59
@SecondRikudo I kid you not - GitHub is even doing it now.
 
"Well, if it isn't okay, why is it a language feature??"
 
@JanDvorak umm, I might look ignorant but this NodeList API must be a part of the DOM API right?
 
@m59: they're not mandatory... Mostly
 
@Sippy You had better believe there will be a trace of this
 
2:13 PM
@m59 Not in minified instances?
 
@m59 That's uncool, but not terrible
 
@AwalGarg it is
 
@Cerbrus :(
 
@Neil If you can absolutely ensure you are not gonna be legally held responsible for the action, do it.
 
What?
 
2:14 PM
Otherwise say hell no you do it.
 
m59
@Cerbrus please don't say things.
 
"not mandatory" !== "good idea to omit them"
 
I know
 
@Loktar She looks more pissed than anything for me. I wouldn't even dare talk to her in a party with friends if she was like that, so in the street... I don't understand those guys. I am sure it never works but they try every time.
 
I wish they were mandatory
 
2:14 PM
@dievardump yea
 
relying on ASI is a mistake imo
 
m59
"not mandatory" - I'd fight that to death unless someone has a dang good answer for this:
 
"How in the world did people get the impression..." --> "They're not mandatory"
 
how many of them were street peddlers I wonder
 
I should try with all the hot guys I cross path in the street
Seeing how fast I get knock out
 
2:14 PM
hah
 
@AwalGarg you can implement an interface = set of methods but I don't think you can (usefully) implement the interface by having NodeList.prototype in your prototype chain.
 
!!youtube fossytube yoga pants
 
@rlemon That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
function () { localVar = "omitted var since not necessary" }
 
!!undo
 
2:15 PM
@dievardump In the US pretty fast lol
 
the fuck?
 
Or in the UK as well I'd imagine.
 
m59
!!> var foo = function() { console.log('FAIL'); } (function() { console.log('stuff'); }())
 
@dievardump
 
2:15 PM
@m59 "undefined" Logged: "stuff","FAIL"
 
m59
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
@rlemon That is awesome
 
m59
NOT OPTIONAL.
 
@rlemon That video made me cry
 
why? because he has a nice ass?
I'd pinch it
 
2:16 PM
He does have a nice ass.
 
@rlemon :') awesome
 
@JanDvorak hmm, this looks some advanced stuff... some place where I can get a head start or some guidance?
 
@Sippy I liked part 2 better though :D
 
@SecondRikudo I didn't even know there was one
Lol
 
(about the real code)
 
2:16 PM
!!tell awal mdn nodelist
 
!!tell awal mdn defineproperty
 
@JanDvorak I already have that open
 
@Loktar You monster, how dare you call a woman pretty
 
2:17 PM
@awal Your goal is to mimic the former using the latter. Have fun.
 
Swift has ASI
 
Hmm
Best way to render partial views based on group membership checking: go!
Wrong room!
 
@JanDvorak this looks like a challenge of "easier said than done" type lol... lemme try to try/
 
grrrr jenkins doesnt play well with firebug!!!
 
@AwalGarg nope. It sounds like a challenge of "not sure why you want it, but have fun making it" type ;-)
 
2:19 PM
@Sippy have an authentication layer between client and web server/content
 
@DrogoNevets I do but the auth layer just says if they can use it
Doesn't help me with if they get it rendered to their page or not
 
@JanDvorak I am just wondering "how" to do it, would do it only if it is reasonable enough.
CURIOSITYYYY
 
@Sippy if they arent auth'd then dont return the page at all
 
@DrogoNevets It's SPA, they're authed, and it checks their group membership to see what they can do
But I can't then dynamically serve content via the auth system
 
@AwalGarg Not useful IMO, but a fun built nevertheless. I'd say, go ahead.
 
2:22 PM
Their group memberships are stored by the auth mechanism though
So I just need a way to make sure that if their groups belong to more than one auth mechanism, it doesn't get rendered twice on the page.
So I think im'a just do a .isingrup() thing
 
@JanDvorak If QSA returned live node lists, it would be useful, I think.
 
@AwalGarg also, slow as hell
 
@JanDvorak haha okk.
 
Their group memberships are stored by the auth mechanism though
 
@KendallFrey haha I know right
 
Is it normally that I didn't know what asm.js was until the current day?
 
the thing I dont get about that video.. is a lot of dudes just said hi... so that === harrasement?
@towc /r/nostupidquestions plis
 
@towc something related to compiling something into something
 
2:29 PM
@Loktar I don't understand: is it an actual thing that a lot of people use for good reasons or is it just some cool little thing that some know about?
 
@towc its gaining momentum, a lot of people should know about it now due to the most recent humble bundle
 
you can run FF inside Chrome inside IE inside an iframe with it.
 
EH?
alright then ebay
Does that look like a big enough scuff to be worried about?
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum I really appreciate your compassion. I have to follow my convictions and share this: Everyone is born evil. You and I deserve that "chemical castration". We're murderers and all matters of other evil things. We're blind and lost slaves to sin suffering from insanity. Slaves do what they're told. They can't help it. By the Grace of God, people still express love, generosity, and compassion, but this is not our nature. I know of no freedom from this slavery apart from Christ.
 
@m59 Technically speaking, we're all born girls
So does that imply that all girls are evil?
 
2:43 PM
All girls are evil ..
 
@m59 that's a really sad way to look at life. We're not evil, we're not murderers.
 
@SecondRikudo indeed
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Speak for yourself
You let others do all the work for you while you sneaked into the egg and let your billion brethren perish!
 
@SecondRikudo Er... I don't think we're all born girls
 
@m59 you don't need god for a just, equal and free society.
 
2:43 PM
@Sippy no, mine had much bigger and worked fine
 
@RyanKinal We're conceived female.
 
@DrogoNevets £280 with 11 minutes left
Worth?
 
5S?
 
@SecondRikudo Much better term ;-)
 
you don't need god for anything
 
2:44 PM
Locked on O2 but I'm sure that's not a problem.
 
@m59 still, thanks for sharing.
 
@DrogoNevets Yeah
@AwalGarg Don't take de bait
 
approcs £360 new on tesco mobile
equivalent, £80 saving
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum Sad to you. Hopeful to me. There's no hope in your worldview. "don't need God"? I've contested with a LOT of people that if there's no God, there's no logic, nor morality. I don't know on what grounds we could even question His existence unless depending on His existence. If you have those grounds, I'm always ready to hear them: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/17481/knowing-things
 
what size?
@sippy 16GB
 
2:45 PM
@m59 dude dude that room...
 
@DrogoNevets 32
Which is a lot more brand new
 
do it
yea my prices were for the 16GB
 
I'll bid 320 at 2 mins :P
Don't wanna spend more really.
 
fair enough
 
2:46 PM
@m59 the real questions of life are hard, what are we doing here? Why are we here? What are we here for? Self definition and purpose are hard questions. I don't like taking the "easy way out" and believing that all the answers are in this one place and we should just accept that. At the end of the day I believe it's for us to decide what to do with our lives.
 
m59
logic and morality ^
I can't accept someone's reasoning until they can found reason.
 
@m59 to the contrary, my world view is filled with hope. I hope for a better tomorrow.
@m59 fine, what do you want to do - logic or morality?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum The answer is fairly simple though
 
m59
Either is great by me.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You're takin the bait!
 
2:47 PM
@m59 let's talk logic first.
Let's establish some common ground.
 
m59
Should we move room so as to not disrespect anyone? I prefer if there's general consensus about the topic..
 
*Grabs Popcorn*
@m59 No, no, please stay, this has just gotten interesting
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum I doubt we can find common ground. What will we use to establish it?
 
How can you discuss something when there's a general consensus about it?
 
@m59 Do we agree that there is no way to empirically and absolutely prove or disprove anything?
 
m59
2:48 PM
No, we don't.
 
Ok, I'd like you to prove something to me, anything.
 
@SecondRikudo you...don't want that. I promise.
 
m59
You can't deny logic or morality.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: You're alive
Proof?
 
@AwalGarg When @BenjaminGruenbaum starts saying things like "logic" and "empirically" things are getting interesting :)
 
2:49 PM
You're reading this
 
I have no proof I'm alive
you could all be figments of my own personal hell
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You can prove trivial things. If you define 0*n to be 0, you can prove 0*50 is 0.
 
@m59 I'm not denying or accepting anything yet. I'm establishing the fact that proof and truth are not objective and absolute concepts.
 
m59
Is what you just said true?
 
@Cerbrus I claim that you are my Eternal Tsukuyomi
 
2:50 PM
@SecondRikudo not for long... source:been through this with m59
 
All of what you see and experience is a dream made entirely for you.
 
Your what?
 
@Neil mathematical proof works, but it's based on axioms. You can't proof the definition of it that way works.
@m59 yes, I believe so.
 
How Can Life Be Real When Truth Is Not Real?
 
m59
2:50 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum you believe? or you know?
 
@rlemon #define TRUE FALSE
 
where is your god now?!
 
m59
@AwalGarg and you denied that logic founds science.
 
@m59 I have chosen my words carefully, but allow me to take the bait. Let's say you can prove and disprove things. Do you think the world is bound to logic?
 
m59
so I stand by my claim: Jesus can save your soul for eternity and save your thinking right now. If you would deny logic - you really need that.
 
2:51 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum kind of. mathematics in general requires axioms, but you yourself are defining the very thing you're trying to prove, so it is trivially true without needing to prove anything
 
I can argue even from a position where you have not properly defined truth or proof.
 
@SecondRikudo: I don't understand half the shit that article is saying xD
 
that is assuming not believing in a religion is illogical
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes, but for the sake of the topic, it's more relevant to say that we "know" logic is valid.
 
Very tempting to dig deeper though
 
2:52 PM
@Neil I don't understand "trivially true"
 
@SecondRikudo Ooh, can I have some?
:sits and watches:
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum As in, it is true because I say it is (directly or indirectly)
 
@m59 ok, so we axiomatically assume logical deduction is true and it works - let's assume non-intuitionistic logic (that is, there are two truth values, and a statement is always either true or false) - agreed?
 
@Cerbrus Basically a global illusion encompassing everyone. Each live in their own dream world, unaware that they are dreaming.
 
ermm.. I never interfere with such things but I am not sure if this discussion is gonna go good.
 
2:53 PM
@DrogoNevets 1 and a bit mins left! Excitinnnn
 
@RyanKinal here you go
 
Kindof your own personal matrix
 
Basically, you can't prove that what you're seeing is real.
Yes, exactly
 
A triangle must have 3 sides. I have a triangle. It must therefore have 3 sides. QED
 
> I have no proof I'm alive
you could all be figments of my own personal hell
 
2:53 PM
@rlemon Thanks
 
@SecondRikudo depends on what you mean by real.
 
Still, you're seeing it
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think that would have to be true - if avoiding all equivocation, then something either is or isn't. Yeah.
 
Stupid and doesn't tell you anything, but it is true nonetheless
 
So you must be alive
 
2:53 PM
@AwalGarg Another awesome quote from Naruto is
 
m59
That's a necessity of the 3 logical laws. Things are what they are.
 
I might be a simulation, or a figment of your imagination
 
@Cerbrus define alive?
 
@m59 in order to establish more common ground, let's start with the absolute basics - if something is a logical contradiction then it must be false? ( That is, we accept proof by contradiction as a valid way to prove things logically )
 
> We take all of our experience and knowledge and label it 'reality', but one man's reality could be another's illusion
 
2:54 PM
and?
 
@rlemon: How about... no.
 
:considers ignoring everybody except Benjamin and m59:
 
if you subscribe to an afterlife, you could not know if you are alive or not, depending on the nature of said afterlife
 
I'm not touching this subject too much
 
Coming from the js room ? I went to that room to get JS help and that room is notorious for not discussing JS related issues but to clown around and joke all day long. — JonH 16 mins ago
 
user457812
2:54 PM
Should keep me un-ignored too.
 
!!youtube computerphile the universe is a simulation
 
JonH is back
 
You guys haven't even proven to me yet that you even exist. You could all be figments of my imagination, therefore I'm right and you're all wrong. QED
 
Just temporarily... while this conversation is happening.
 
2:55 PM
@DrogoNevets Meh, outbidded
 
@Neil: Can't argue against that
 
I put it up to 360 though so made him pay another 70 odd quid hahaha
 
@Neil but if we are part of you, and we're wrong, then you're wrong
 
@NickDugger did you get a mail from Amazon about the order being cancelled
 
@SterlingArcher hahaha nice one
 
2:55 PM
friends told me they cancelled the orders due to 'mis pricing'
bitches.
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum I can't do that, though. We have 3 problems in establishing that common ground: The ground is logic, and logic leads us to the belief that proof/evidence/reasons are required for sufficient belief. Therefore, in order to establish logic, logic must be proven/evident/reasonable. I have ground on which to say so, and my grounds, unlike logic, are a sufficient foundation for themselves.
 
@m59 what 'logic' means might seem simple to you but it's actually pretty well defined - I'm asking these questions so I know what I may or may not use later on when we do actual debating. So far I have ceded and agreed to accept that truth exists and that logic is fine.
 
@KendallFrey If I'm not able to deduce that I am wrong because you're wrong, I am therefore irrational and logic doesn't apply. I'm right. QED
 
!!go or not go or not go
 
@towc go
 
2:56 PM
k
 
user457812
One time I read a story book about a stinky cheese man and I'm pretty sure that's the truth of the world
 
!!nudge 50
 
@towc Nudge #1 registered.
 
Alright I gtg
Talk to ya'll laterz
 
@m59 all I'm asking is that you accept the statement "If I assume A to be true, and assuming A to be true shows C, and I know C isn't true - then my assumption of A to be true was incorrect and A must be false"
 
user457812
2:56 PM
We all rejoin the stinky cheese man upon death and probably intoxication
 
@rlemon what order was cancelled?
 
> It's tortoises all the way down.
 
Not firestick right?
 
!!afk Type !!magic
 
user457812
It's stinky cheese men all the way down.
 
2:57 PM
@Loktar nono, ecig wire - $25 roll was on sale for $1
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum Further, even if we could establish those grounds, we would have to establish a moral ground on which we should use logic rather than nonsense. I have grounds for that. Then, we'd have to deal with uniformity in nature, which I also have grounds for. Without that, we can't eve guarantee that the words I speak will be senseful one moment to the next.
 
ah ok
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum as I said, I won't discuss logic until you can found it.
 
@Neil If logic does not apply, truth and falsehood are invalid and you are neither right nor wrong
 
@Neil I love that statement :D
 
2:57 PM
@m59 no no, no morals yet. Secular morals is an entirely different and huge topic.
 
@KendallFrey Yes, but try telling that to someone who thinks they're right anyway.
 
> The last thing a new person wants is to go to a JS room and find that it is run by a bunch of people that bash, and have avatars like yours with location that states ISIS - is that professional or ????
wow
 
m59
@BenjaminGruenbaum if you get to use logic for no reason, then why not believe in Jesus for no reason?
 
user457812
Someone's discriminating based on location?
 
What does morality have to do with logic o.O
 
2:58 PM
@SterlingArcher wat
 
user457812
The immoral hellfools.
 
m59
@Cerbrus why use logic rather than nonsense?
 
@m59 I did not suggest using logic for no reason, I suggested debating what truth and proof means in a more fundamental level. You're the one who asked for logic and truth to be assumed as axioms.
 
@m59 Pro tip: don't go there. :P
 
@m59: Did you read my question?
 
2:59 PM
As for your more direct question: we use logic as a tool to predict future outcomes. It is a useful predictor.
 
You two are using logic to argue. If you cannot establish the existence of logic, you cannot even establish who is right or wrong
 
What does morality have to do with logic? You can logically chose to do the immoral, just because it benefits one self, for example.
 
m59
exactly. @Neil
 

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