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12:00 AM
why would anyone want that to function that way is beyond me
 
When you go to the player.vimeo link thing, that page is on fullscreen.
Maybe that's why, not sure.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666. . . you left a ~ out of your link for the bot
 
huh.
@Zirak bugfix time!
!!forget ugt
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Command ugt forgotten.
 
!!learn ugt <>http://www.total-knowledge.com/\~ilya/mips/ugt.html
 
12:01 AM
@SomeKittensUx2666 Command ugt learned
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: wut
total-knowledge.com\ilya/mips/ugt.html
@SomeKittensUx2666 Command ugt forgotten.
 
!!learn ugt '<>http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html'
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Command ugt learned
 
SIIIIIGH
 
@rlemon Why is it that line?
 
idk I opened the file and searched for output and pasted the first line I saw it mixed with replace
:D
debugging++
 
12:09 AM
i actually showed up here to be a noob and plead for help, but this looks like a cool chat, so maybe i will hang out some
 
@poetiscariot FINE THEN. MAYBE WE'LL ENJOY YOUR COMPANY!
 
however, i would still like any of you fine people to take a look at stackoverflow.com/questions/25837714/… if you feel like it
 
1.) Don't have HTML strings
2.) Create a JSFiddle or use Stack's new embedded stuff
 
^^
 
there are a few non-optimal things going on in this project, html strings being only one, but i'm accepting their non-optimality to just do it and get the thing online so people can see what it's about
 
12:13 AM
use a 'template' element?
 
@poetiscariot With all due respect: I understand that logic, but you're wrong.
You're new here, so let me explain my background. I'm a veteran of three startups, one where I was a founder. That type of thinking is tempting, but disastrous.
(Currently working at #4)
 
go, you :)
 
<div class="foo">
  // other crap
</div>
var tmp = $('.foo');
var cloned = tmp.clone(true/*events and data*/);
// change whatever
cloned.appendTo(container);
 
If you want to push a product out of the door (MVP and such) kill the scope. Do one thing very, very right.
 
@rlemon got it man, i just used the old embedding version of vimeo
 
12:16 AM
"technical debt" is not "oh, we can do this better later", it's "We're building one to learn how best to write the next one"
 
I personally prefer to re-write than to patch up a piss poor project
 
in my actual career, i follow exactly that principle -- coding is way not my actual career, though, or likely ever to be it
 
'this isn't really what I do' is a cop out ;)
take pride in all of your work
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Agreed. I realized a few years ago I'm too much of a jack-of-all-trades. Do one thing great.
 
0
A: use appendTo() and switch to add content from variables to a div

SomeKittens Ux2666There are quite a few issues in your code. We've covered the best practices in the chat room. As far as the actual issue, you're missing some quotes: case action1:addToStory( action1,oneResult );break; needs to become: case 'action1': addToStory('action1', oneResult); ...

 
12:19 AM
ha, i guess it is, but i'm really a poet and college english professor, so, i don't know, i feel like after 3 graduate degrees, i get to hold myself to a lesser standard elsewhere
 
@taco Absolutely. I'm aiming to be a world-class expert in JavaScript. Anything else is a distraction.
 
Yeah, it is all a distraction.
 
@poetiscariot Not if you're going to stay in this room - we all hold each other to a pretty high standard.
 
oh gawd friggin missing quote marks
 
I've learned tons
 
12:21 AM
let me just beat myself about the head for a minute or two here
 
honestly, with code, taking shortcuts often saves time in the moment, adds time and headaches in the long run
 
Photography, arduino, beagle bone, DJ'ing, raspberry pi, iphone apps, gaming apps, cloud apps, screenwriting, linux admin, net eng, reddit. Once I learn Javascript, I'm going to focus on screenwriting (outside of work)
 
@poetiscariot Formatting standard + JSHint are wonderful
 
Fish/Code/Fish/Gardening/Fish
 
i had not yet encountered JSHint, but that looks awesome, tyvm
 
12:23 AM
Is nodejs anygood?
:D
 
YES
 
depends on how you use it
 
@Carnal Are hammers any good?
 
but I like it
 
Yeah!
 
12:24 AM
@poetiscariot Protip: Upvote/accept to make answerers happy.
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 not for opening car doors
 
I think it's good since it's super fast.
 
lol @rlemon
 
but is it advisable to use it now instead of php?
 
@rlemon - depends how you bad you want to open the door
 
12:24 AM
@Carnal it is good at things.
 
@Carnal "fast" is immensely relative
 
I'm planning to create an ecommerce site using that.
 
@Carnal PLEASE do
 
@Carnal learn it first
 
lorempizza.com @SomeKittensUx2666 wanna help me (not now, later) figure out why the hell that is so slow serving generated images (and even static content)
node behind nginx proxy
 
12:26 AM
I've been thinking about deciding what to watch. a node js tutorial or a laravel tutorial to create ecommerce. I guess I'll go for node by learning it first. I hope by then there'd be a good tutorial to create an ecommerce site using node. :D
 
ok, so, high-standards-holders, let me solicit your opinions on the bigger, uglier issue with this project
 
@Carnal Learn the ins and outs of Node before building something that moves money around.
 
your website?
#shorts fired
 
@poetiscariot your face?
 
So that brings up a question. What are some SEO gotchas for Javascript? Does Angular have SEO issues? (I haven't learned it yet)
 
12:26 AM
I'm not even correcting that.
 
heh
 
no my face is unredeemable, i am afraid
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Yeah, will invest time on that soon after this project.
 
@rlemon Yep, I'm sitting here giggling at work
 
i'm so old that the aforementioned irc room refers to me as an elder god, tentacled horror and a million eyes and all
 
12:27 AM
nahh we have older
 
I used a w2ui layout for a personal page once, and since it's javascript, Google was linking to the pages directly, not the website index
 
psh, old people, with their degrees and all
 
and #nocreepy you are pretty
 
@taco and yes.
 
but my god your website is a dealbreaker
 
12:27 AM
yeah, that's one good thing about coding vs. gaming, i am usually not the oldest person in a coding chat, whew
oh, wait, my personal site, HA!
 
@poetiscariot wait a sec, you're from Buffalo?
 
hey, if someone is going to list a website in their profile I am sure to visit it
 
I went to college in Rochester
 
i built that to be intentionally old and kludgy-looking because i don't want english depts to try to rope me into doing their web stuff for no extra pay or course relief
none of my literature colleagues/friends even know i'm basically aware of such things
 
don't get me wrong I write for embedded systems. so I look at ugly old GUIs all day
 
12:29 AM
i do need to redo it, that was. . . 7 or 8 years ago
 
@poetiscariot Very wise of you.
 
but man, the left sided, all green. dayum
 
seriously, i love the humanities, i am extremely passionate about literature, but i hate trying to deal with humanities people and tech stuff
 
Just make an awesome website and put a "designed by rlemon" logo at the bottom
>I have no idea what I'm doing
 
Don't forget you can edit a message!
 
12:31 AM
shit, give me like 20 minutes and I can plagiarize create you a website for free
 
(hit return too early) i have a friend who's a designer, and she's been saying for several years that she wants to redo my personal site -- i should just do a less terrible version and credit it to her
 
only if she wants the business I say
Spotify Viral 50 Global playlist has "Hooked on a Feeling" as #50
 
but anyway! the current thing is that i want to put up just the first few scenes i've written of an interactive story/game. i'm currently planning to -- wait for it -- write the entire thing as an enormous switch function. this might be the #1 non-optimal thing currently in this. but: i charted out the whole story to see if i could figure out a more methodical way to do it, and i, at least, can't. here's said chart: gliffy.com/go/publish/6173864
if anyone has a smarter idea on how to handle all those branches and ways to move forward, i am all ears (eyes, whatever)
 
TIL the Blue Swede cover of "Hooked on a Feeling" was kept at the #2 Spot in the UK by a cover by some geeky looking dude named Jonathan King open.spotify.com/track/0dWxOvaNm7Od65246HvDUK
 
12:36 AM
@poetiscariot yeah, switch is a bad idea
This is where a CS degree comes in handy
 
i know :D i almost love how bad it is, but you can push bad ideas into brilliance in creative writing, not so much in coding
 
State machines
 
@poetiscariot You're already smarter than most newcomers
 
remember in the mid-90s when everyone was a "freelance web designer"?
i was a "freelance web designer" at that time
i've never gone anywhere, but i have kept half an eye on such things in the intervening years
 
I started hacking HTML the month Heavens Gate went viral
 
12:39 AM
rad
 
 
those were the white sneakers people, iirc?
hale-bopp?
 
"On March 26, 1997, police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group who had committed mass suicide in order to reach what they believed was an alien space craft following Comet Hale–Bopp."
 
I was "good with computers" (read: knew what Control Panel was) when I was young(er)
 
that still counts as "good with computers" for most people!
 
12:41 AM
I remember my first computer book, "Windows 95 SECRETS"
 
ooo SECRETS
 
It was probably 1,000 pages and I read it all, lol
 
i think my first one was the o'reilly book on perl
 
Product peeps, how do you branch your repos? Like, do you maintain a stable branch and open a new branch for each feature/bug?
 
It was actually really good. Talked about the windows system in detail
 
12:42 AM
@poetiscariot Out here it's the opposite.
@monners yes
 
@monners yeah that's what we do. Doesn't matter what you call the master branch
 
And the branch is named after the JIRA issue
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 same here
 
unless it's a personal project, then COMMIT ALL THE THINGS TO MASTER
 
locally I just call it whatever I want
 
12:44 AM
Does that mean you have many many branches ongoing at the same time?
Then just commit to master/stable when it's tested and ready for prod?
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 yes, but in my main world, e.g., i recently mentioned to a genuinely brilliant poet/critic friend that i was working on a coding project; he wrote back, "I love the idea of coding. I don't know how but it makes my mouth go into a OOOO shape whenever I even use it as a verb."
 
@monners we could have five people working on the same project
 
modern website
did it take 20 minutes?
 
@monners assert(numActiveBranches <= (teamSize * 1.5));
 
12:44 AM
I got a drink :/
 
We rebase off the master branch, but the branch goes out, not the master
WTF am I listening to
 
So then when do you merge back into master?
 
@monners When you've completed the issue.
 
Ok, cool
 
12:45 AM
yeah, right before it goes to prod
 
@monners AND it's approved by another team member
 
blink sucks live
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Then just rebase the next issue from the most recent master merge...
@SomeKittensUx2666 Ba ha ha ha ha ha... Agency.
 
M+M and Dammit sound good live because they're punk, but that's about it
 
@poetiscariot If I may promote my other job: rocket-space.com/rocketu
 
12:50 AM
lol
 
Hell, I work for the internet and I'm capped at 100 MB/s
That's my job title for computer noobs: "I work for the Internet"
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 if i had the money and wasn't all the way across the country, i'd be totally up for that and i'd probably have a blast
 
@poetiscariot isn't there a name for that type of game?
 
interactive fiction
 
4
Q: Web-based interactive fiction engine?

ExtrakunAre there any web-based interactive fiction engine that allow you to script a game and have it run from a website?

 
12:55 AM
there are some (free, even) tools around to build things like this, but none of them will do the things i want without a ton of rejiggering via js and css, anyway, so here i am
 
Isn't "Interactive fiction on a computer" the definition of "video game"?
@poetiscariot heh - I can tell by your (free, even) that you haven't been a coder for too long
paid tools are the rarity here.
 
@poetiscariot well I doubt a switch statement will be any better
 
@taco oh, i know, i just don't have the experience in making complicated processes happen to figure out a better way
 
20 mins ago, by copy
State machines
 
TBH, it sounds like a take on console MUD. It loses it's charm on the desktop, in my opinion (as opposed to a terminal console).
If you're not doing it for fun, I wouldn't do it, but it sounds like you are
What am I doing! I need to get out of here! Ugh
 
12:58 AM
very close to a take on MUDs, more specifically like the old 80s-era infocom games
but, yeah, it's 100% just a thing i want to do, not for commercial success of any sort
 
yeah, I did an app like that recently. Maybe 150 users with no financial incentive. Sometimes I think it's a curse. I should just watch TV and become a potato on my off time.
 
i'm actually happier with projects that aren't going to make any money (poetry is at the top of that list) bc you can just do whatever you want with them, instead of worrying about the bottom line. since the bottom line is always going to be "lol wut, you're still broke."
 
From @poetiscariot's planning chart for the game: "lulz so not mapping this"
 
poetry is the definition of 'not making any money'
 
1:07 AM
@SomeKittensUx2666 it sure is!
 
I work for the inlaws. so I'm sitting pretty
but if it goes south I'm out a job and a partner. so yea. there is that :P
 
that's when you come work for Runnable
 
This is a poem I remember from 70's sitcom, "What's Happening now!":
Hate.
I. Hate. You.
You are dirt!
You are SCUM!
Hate is love.
I love you.
 
hehe
@ShittyHaiku, Earth
Do you like Haikus? I think Haikus are shitty. Read these shit Haikus.
62 tweets, 18 followers, following 0 users
my kinda poetry
:P
 
haha
 
My wife is off today. I should probably go home soon.
 
!!s/is/is getting/
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 My wife is getting off today. I should probably go home soon. (source)
 
 
1:15 AM
tl;dr
although I do enjoy poetry, moreso in plays
 
that's kind of why there's no money in it
 
I did a lot of theater as a teen and a bit in my early 20's
got tedious for no pay
 
awesome, what plays?
 
stopped being fun :/
 
yeah, i have a friend here who's been doing musicals locally for no or very little pay
 
1:17 AM
local crap, some spins on established stuff.
when I say crap I really mean it :/
 
she and her husband have cushy jobs & no kids, though, so she's probably fine with that
 
/me did theater in HS & college
 
I have fish tanks. they are all I need now
 
i did debate in HS and college, never got closer to theater than ushering
 
when I was like 15 I could sing. wonder what happened.
 
1:18 AM
Ooh, did that too
@poetiscariot Forensics?
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 yes! i did some interp events and occasionally. . . oh, i'm not even remembering the name of the event, the one where you got a current events topic & had to give a 7-min speech on it
 
Extemporaneous speaking?
 
sounds right
what kind(s) of debate did you do?
 
I am asking you profs, i know that it not an answer youngblood — Berk Dk 10 mins ago
oh lord
 
Oh Netflix,
Never Gets Updated,
Fuckin Shame.
how's that for poetry!
:D
 
1:21 AM
next code question: spans that can load more content can appear either inside paragraphs or as li elements. i want to do different css things depending on which type gets clicked. >
 
make two classes
 
oh, that would be easier
 
elm.addClass( someBoolean ? 'foo' : 'bar' );
 
oh, no, that's not the issue
that i can do
what i tried was var origTag = $(this).parent().get(0).nodeName;, then converting that to lowercase, then having it change the css accordingly
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 he called me youngblood D:
 
1:23 AM
it's not liking that variable definition, though
 
@poetiscariot use classes to describe the element
 
I like good lyrics. That's my kind of poetry, though, I do like Emily Dickinson and love Shel Silverstein.
 
if( this.parentNode.classList.contains('post') ) {
  // do one thing
} else {
  // do another
}
 
I wish I could've met Shel.
 
@rlemon yeah, that's what i thought you meant initially & will probably be easier
dickinson is great :D
shel silverstein is actually legitimately talented, too, though he never gets attention in english depts outside children's lit classes
 
1:24 AM
I once had to do a presentation on one of her poems - had a lot of fun with that.
 
what one?
 
Shel Silverstein was really talented.
 
I got to choose, did Much Madness is divinest Sense poetryfoundation.org/poem/182156
 
guys i'm bored. give me something to code
preferably animation based
 
@rlemon poetry
Whaddya call a chicken crossing the road? Poultry in motion!
...I'll leave.
 
1:26 AM
i was so excited that i even thought to do that by the type of containing element, too
oh well
 
PPPPPLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE guys help me — Berk Dk 1 min ago
 
@SomeKittensUx2666 Poetry
 
!!afk relocating to RocketU
 
@poetiscariot classes are just easier ;)
 
1:27 AM
Heidi Klum is poetry in motion
 
59 secs ago, by rlemon
@SomeKittensUx2666 Poetry
Poetry in motion ;)
get it? get it?!?!
ahh I crack myself up
 
@rlemon totes using that as my new site banner, ty
 
argh
 
(j/k)
 
go for it
I think it would be annoying as a banner however
!!> Array(3).join([,'red','orange','yellow','green','aqua','blue','purple']).split('‌​,').slice(1);
 
1:28 AM
@rlemon ["red","orange","yellow","green","aqua","blue","purple","red","orange","yellow"‌​,"green","aqua","blue","purple"]
 
and it contains SUPER cool code like that
 
@rlemon I love you
My wife won't shortly though
I gotta wrap this up, so I'm gonna split from chat
later guys
 
@rlemon gui = new dat.GUI(), lol
 
1:31 AM
enjoy
 
dat GUI
 
adieu
 
dat gui is awesome
it is that little control you see in the top right
also that text is interactive
 
is there a tidy way to append a multi-p div and animate each p individually in sequence, other than giving each p its own id? (make them each fade in)
 
probably
 
1:36 AM
i feel like i should be able to use next somehow, but i can't quite make it happen
 
function process() {
  if( !queue.length ) return;
  var item = queue.shift();
  item.fadeIn('fast', process);
}
 
ok, how do i tell that to target each p? or does it already do so, and i just don't know how?
 
how do you create / store the multiple p's?
in any case.
 
right now. . . they're in variables that are html strings. because, although i think there may be a better way to store them, i don't know what it would be. i have a function that finds and appends the right string when someone clicks a given span.
 
var queue = $('whatever, selector or ugly string ;)');
process();
function process() {
  if( !queue.length ) return;
  var item = [].shift.call(queue);
  item.appendTo(container).fadeIn('fast', process);
}
untested ofc.
 
1:43 AM
super, let me see what i can do with that
 
  if( !queue.length ) return; // if the queue has no items. abort
  var item = [].shift.call(queue); // a trick to run an array shift call on an array like object. basically gets the first item from the queue
  item.appendTo(container).fadeIn('fast', process); // add it to the container, fade it in, call the process function when it is complete
commented
 
i'm so glad i got brave and came in here instead of following my original plan for the evening, which was to play an MMO and see if anyone responded to my stack post
 
right now i'm mostly wondering why it is 9:45pm and I'm not in trackpants
 
i'm in yoga pants
jealous?
 
@poetiscariot hot
 
1:45 AM
not anymore.
 
hahahah
 
the comfort, ahh
yoga pants on a man sound like they would be .. restricting
in an uncomfortable way
 
m59
-3
Q: HTML5 and Javascript Task

john bondyImplement a simple HTML page that displays a white rectangle centered on a black background. When the user taps the white sqaure, it should!n animate the white rectangle so that it fills the screen, and then should animate to its originals dimensions. This entire sequence should take 3 second

 
@rlemon or supportive
tight in all the right places
 
@rlemon they aren't very tight
Just form fitting
 
1:47 AM
I wanted yoga pants but @copy refused.
 
really?
 
m59
YES.
 
actually, yeah, they're easily as comfortable as sweatpants, they just look less terrible
 
Yoga pants are a blessing
 
It has to be said though, leggings are not pants
I know you women want to believe they are. I'm afraid to inform you they are not.
 
1:49 AM
leggings are. . . i don't understand how those became identified as pants
 
i think people think leggings are the same as yoga pants
 
^
leggings are thinner
 
m59
@SterlingArcher you lucky punk stackoverflow.com/a/24458589/1435655
 
i think the trend has mostly died out, at least here, but, yeah, that perplexed me
 
m59
MDN +16 ftw
 
1:49 AM
even if you have the body to wear them as pants, they are not. you (proverbial) women need to stahp
 
HAMMAHTIME!
 
idk why guys have a problem with it though
 
if you saw every 2nd man wear ball huggers you'd have issues with it after a time as well
.. or maybe it is just me?
 
Let it be known that I have no issues with yoga pants as pants
 
ehh
 
1:53 AM
great, my problem with people thinking leggings are pants ruined the conversation
WAY TO GO RLEMON!
:sobs:
 
i'm having an important conversation about mailing rats in another window
 
just make sure you put air holes in it
and cardboard boxes are useless
they chew right through them
most plastics as well
I may or may not have experience shipping rodents.
 
ventilated steel mailers: noted
 
I've never shipped a living animal
 
Neither have I
 
1:55 AM
Don't heat the metal. They're go berserk
 
anyone here play magic?
 
I used to
 
same, back when I was cooler
arn't the kids play pokemon cards or something now?
 
i did approximately one million years ago, when the earth and i were both young
then i sold all my cards on eBay
 
I used to have a bunch of pokemon cards
I didn't know how to play the game though
 
1:57 AM
why did you get them?
 
I liked pokemon
 
@Meredith if you have original holos, 1st edition, they're worth a lot of money
 
there were a few kids in my elementary school playing Magic so I got into it. we surprisingly were not even the nerds.
or so we thought
 
I had one that was worth like $10
 
i had the whole first edition of pokemon cards. then i moved and my dad sold them in a yardsale.
:c
 

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