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8:00 AM
@ColdFire nada
 
@cygery nada means?
 
nothing
 
ewwwwwww
 
how about you CF
 
8:01 AM
I only ever had ads in RepetiTouch Free
 
that must be earning good?
 
and since my AdMob account got disabled a year ago I didn't switch to another network
 
my friend is earning like 10k$ a month with ads
 
Anyone tried Adyen payment? Im kinda lost =(
 
CF game or app?
 
8:02 AM
I think if I was going to monetize an app it'd be with paid features for a premium version of the app
 
$10k is a nice sum from ads
 
no idea he didnt show me his apps
 
@ColdFire that is pretty amazing
 
since he dont want anyone to copy him
 
so he could also be lying
 
8:02 AM
Probably lying
A lot of bullshitters in the world
 
the money was there
he showed me his admob account
 
^
 
ah, well maybe not then :D
 
One less of bullshitter in the world
 
probably a pink soft keyboard with trojan showing ads randomly as a keyboard overlay :)
 
8:04 AM
that's brilliant warren
 
no idea warren could be
 
Ads scare me, while I'd love to put them in, they can really kill an app
 
The problem with that is the click ratio is way above average which would result in a ban of your ad network
 
mark dev dont have any other options
 
just don't use AdMob
 
8:04 AM
without ads earning is shit
i tried both approach
 
uhm, there are other options
paid app, IAP
 
micro transactions are a great way to earn money from apps
 
like cygery?
 
alternative to admob?
 
I think if I was going to put them in, I'd have to wait until the app has a lot of downloads, because I feel putting ads in early just stops the app from growing
 
8:05 AM
@TimCastelijns micro?
 
micro transactions... the killer of mobile gaming
 
@TimCastelijns I'd argue only for games
 
Mark, + it makes you more vulnerable to clickbombing
 
like the supercell is doing. buy gems.
 
8:06 AM
I wouldn't include ads directly in a new app
 
If you have a very good app, the way I'd want to monetize it would be with subscriptions because at least you have a recurring income unlike a one off payment if they buy a premium version of the app
 
^
I'd do that in future
 
mark i thought about that
but app need to support that
 
it's imho also more fair to the user
especially when he only uses it for a rather short time
 
like if my app dont have a feature that makes user buy subscription?
 
8:08 AM
It's the best approach, allows the user a chance to opt-out and means you can try and makes it easier to predict your income.
 
so, if there's ever gonna be a RepetiTouch 2 that'd probably be the way to monetize it
 
@ColdFire make it :p
 
be sure to automatically renew the subscription without telling the user. At least that's what all the big companies do
 
^
let them never opt-out or cancel ;)
now, I wonder how much I could charge for short email addresses per month
 
@cygery i have been using admob for 5 years now no banning and any issues
 
8:11 AM
lucky you
 
only thing is that i dont ever click my own ads
 
Maybe it also depends on where you are from. In my area, if an app has ads, an app is deleted
 
and i mean never
Tim i have a paid for the same purpose if you hate ads then purchase it simple?
 
another thing in my area: apps that cost money are apps that don't get downloaded
:P
 
@ColdFire neither did I
 
8:15 AM
you are from belgium/paris/france/netherland?
 
well your area is shit i am gonna remove your country from my app
 
haha
 
anyway, whatever ad network you use, make sure to get your money paid out asap
 
i don't like to monteize apps
 
8:17 AM
yes admob pays after 22 days from the month end
 
whenever we've done it, we've done it on addons only
 
mate, anyone here how to check if the camera location was enabled?
 
like , "have audioguide instead of just text guide"
 
That highly depends on how annoying your ads are. If you prompt full screen non-dismissal-videos every few seconds you will have a baaad time with users in Germany
 
no idea winresh.
 
8:17 AM
that is overkill warren
 
and still done too often
 
i general show only one full screen ads every app usage
whether you use app for 1min or 24 hours
 
so many people rating bad and saying that the ads are too often and still, because fuck dumb 5* voters, such apps still have 4+ on average
 
warren that is most probabaly in games
 
well, 5 star reviews are cheap
 
8:19 AM
good apps have less rating than bad apps
people are stupid i get 1 star rating with very good review
they dont even 1 star is worst and 5 star is excellent
 
this is a good app, it deserves a star!
 
there are some narcissists who give 1 star to increase visibility of their comment
 
can you use inAppPurchase as donation?
 
yesterday 3 purchase 2 cancelled
wow paid app purchases
 
i think a 'donate' button is more good.
 
8:23 AM
which app is that btw?
 
my music player
 
link or it didn't happen ;)
 
??
 
he needs link, or you are a liar. simple.
 
post a link to your app
 
how long has that been in the store?
 
nice UI design
 
yeah it is easy on the eyes
 
see 2 cancelled order
 
thanks, you might want to include the video in the Pro version's app page
well, why were the orders cancelled?
 
8:27 AM
yes just uploaded yesterday testing the video i am
 
maybe expired CCs?
 
nope both cancelled by users
 
did you solo dev that app? How long did it take?
 
too much time to remember
i have redesigned it 10 times already
 
month, 3 months, year?
 
8:29 AM
more than 6 months i guess
actually it is continuous development
so development has not stopped
 
ah ok
1 tip I have
 
sure
 
In library, on Songs tab, there is a list of items
 
i have 5 feature request from user already
 
on the right side of each item there is a overflow menu icon, I would align it to the top instead of somewhere in the middle
 
8:31 AM
why at top?
 
difficult market I think, I'd try to better promote some USPs in the app description and reduce it overally
 
USP?
 
@PaulaKristin welcome to the room. Please read the room rules before you participate: room-15.github.io
 
unique selling point
 
8:33 AM
aah right i am also gonna put some ads in free version
 
would look better to me, but mid is fine as well
 
Hello, Android!
 
I thought it was meant to be at top, but checked material.google.com/components/menus.html#menus-usage and they have it in the middle as well, so disregard my comment CF
 
@ColdFire had that before, never been so frustrated when I seen this happen.
 
@MarkOSullivan94 haha yeah it is not repairable
 
8:37 AM
paypal in app purchases are banned, right? no paypals in play store. right?
 
yes banned
@TimCastelijns ohh great
 
yes because google wants 40% of your income or something
or was that apple
 
30%
both google and apple
 
inAppPurchase can be used as donation?
 
and now google has started collecting taxes also so more than 30%
in some countries
 
8:39 AM
just don't make it an InApp
if that's the deal
 
how then? a website?
 
Really nice app @ColdFire! Why did you decide upon that price for UK?
 
as i said 72h ago, mantain a flexible and well structured API that handles what users have or don't have.
 
@MarkOSullivan94 that is the price showing i intend to increase the price
 
You intend to increase the price?
 
8:40 AM
why increase?
 
is that $1.49 now?
 
£3.29 is more than your competitor
 
3.99$
i intend to make it 4.99$
 
damn it's 4.59 in my country
 
8:41 AM
it showed as Rs. 100 to me, which is $1.49
 
CF, might be so that if you lower the price instead of raise it, you will get more purchases which in the end may earn you more :)
 
in india price is different
@MarkOSullivan94 already seen that app
 
4.69 in mine :O
 
As a customer who's looking for a beautiful music player app, I could go for yours or save myself more than 50p for an app which is similarly nice looking but cheaper.... the average customer will go for the cheaper option.
 
Thanks guys!
 
8:43 AM
^ you didn't read rules :D
 
:D what for?
 
mark you are right but you arent seeing all things
 
“I have read and understood the rules”.
there you go
 
everyone thinks his app is better. this is in the blood.
 
no no i am not saying my app is better
i leave it upto to the users
 
8:44 AM
Your app has to be better to get the sales
 
i will say it at least for my app
if i am not praising it, others will not.
 
you have the description for it
 
someone out of you is going to help me make a description for my app :D
 
@MarkOSullivan94 pulsar music player dev has other apps and ads in it to earn
it is not the better app sells
it is the app that has the visibility it sells
 
@rupinderjeet47 This app does stuff. If you buy it, it does more stuff
 
8:47 AM
if only the better apps i have shit apps getting ton of downloads
 
i fail at writing lines that attract someone to read more.
 
Tim just gave you the perfect line
 
@ColdFire add some bold text to your description :p blog.boomerangapp.com/2016/07/…
 
i see nice
@MarkOSullivan94 actually i have a customer who had tried tons of music player
but in the end he decided to purchase mine
there are many small features
some apps dont add
he tried pulsar too
 
Also, I noticed you have features of both pro and free in the free app description, is this the done thing? If someone is curious would they not just check out the pro version?
 
8:52 AM
Simplicity also has value, too many features is not necessarily good
 
my app is damn simple
i dont have many feature
 
You have like 40 features
 
1 min ago, by Cold Fire
there are many small features
 
those are placed in setting if you want to see them
@TimCastelijns read the next lines
all feature are not visible to user
@MarkOSullivan94 actually its more than 50
 
yeah ok
 
8:54 AM
i havent listed them all
i keep adding them
Tim :- many player dont resume the playlist you left when you closed the app
this is a feature but user isnt aware of this
 
I wouldn't call that a feature, but I see what you mean
 
this has to be done automatically
 
I'd recommend sorting out your description, you've got way too many things listed. What's the core features which makes your app better than other music player apps? Sort out the layout of the description as well, you have "and many more" directly above "Pro Version Features:-", I'd recommend having a space between them to split the section up.
 
it is a feature Tim
@MarkOSullivan94 mark my description is a mess
 
I personally think your app is fantastic btw, just trying to offer my opinion on what I'd do to try and improve it
 
8:56 AM
already hired someone for free to do it for me
 
I'd do it for free
 
mark you can no issues
 
What way do you want me to send it to you? Hastebin?
 
@MarkOSullivan94 all feedback are welcome
mail?
on my app email id?
 
Okay, do you need it urgently? I'm in work atm but could work on it during my lunch if you need it soon.
 
8:58 AM
naah
anytime you want
do it in your free time
 
just remember it :)
 
Okay sweet, I should be free sometime this weekend, possibly tomorrow evening
 
sure
 
busy tonight but if I have a bit of free time after work I'll take a look then
Downloaded your free app so I'll test it out later but I'll leave you 5 star for now :)
 
haha i am gonna add ads in next version , probably you wont like it
any one has a seekbar preference that works nice on all version?
 
9:06 AM
Having a hard time testing callbacks to the activity from viewmodel using MVVM with databinding
 
issue?
 
I have views that needs to visible and invisible based on the data that you get from server. So i have a viewmodel and i use interface as a call back to the activity. Like datalistener.onRecyclerViewVisibility(View.VISIBLE);. So i am having difficulty in testing callbacks
 
ohh you mean automated test cases?
 
yep unit tests for viewmodel. In MVP pattern you can say testing your presenter
 
aah havent done that sorry :(
 
9:15 AM
No problem i will find some repository on github and adapt my code so that i can test properly
 
when someone buys an app for $2, does developer get $2 or less?
 
2 - google/apple cut - taxes
 
how much is left, clue?
isGoogleCut = 30%
 
1.4$ max
if cut taxes 1.1$ max
 
taxes vary greatly
and in most countries you're responsible for them
 
9:20 AM
Is there any app which can download all of your spotify songs? (apart from spotify premium)
 
wouldn't that be illegal?
 
9:38 AM
I'm just curious
not as if I'm going to do that
 
didn't meant to accuse you
 
i believe mark will not do that nice thing.
:)
so, in $2 app, all cuts are about 40-50%
 
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10:13 AM
Good thing I don't care :D
 
From my GitHub feed: "Issue closed: Place children deeper in custom container, with wrapper" #thingsprogrammerssay
 
10:40 AM
the screenshots of Telegram play store entry are well done: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.telegram.messenger
 
Fuck Apple, fuck Swift 3.0 and fuck Xcode.
 
So three times Fuck Apple :D
 
and fuck swift developers that vote stupid hipster features
 
And god bless android, android studio and java
 
10:45 AM
Android Studio <3
 
you forgot iphone and mac.
 
haha
4 times fuck
 
they have apple watch too
 
This airbag hood could save the lives of thousands of cyclists 😳🚴 https://t.co/bmtNFiLn3w
The things people create
 
Yeah that looks fairly interesting
 
10:59 AM
Will that replace helmets?
 
haha
 
I want one.
Tempting to take a dive just to see it in action.
 
Could actually be useful for car crashes as well to prevent whiplash
 
11:15 AM
Probably won't prevent concussions, though.
 
11:29 AM
If it prevents death then it'll be good
 
that makes sense
 
Yeah, it's probably better than nothing
 
@NathanielD.Waggoner Hey Man! #CM14 Help Required! ^^
 
Can anyone answer this? I have little experience with images
What is the paint color used for? It works fine without setting a color — Tim Castelijns 23 secs ago
 
@TheLittleNaruto hey fox
 
11:36 AM
hi Cold
 
@TimCastelijns setting the color?
@TheLittleNaruto Cm was asking for you
 
the code crops a bitmap into a circular form, colors are irrelevant
 
perhaps the circle color ?
as far as i can see it is used in draw must be used for circle color
 
@TheLittleNaruto hai !
Talking about CyanogenMod...I'm thinking about rooting my phone. Will it give me more free space for apps?
 
yes
but dont root
 
11:51 AM
@codeMagic Please tell me this is not true! ;(
 
too many issue then it solved
 
@ColdFire Probably yeah
 
@Code-Apprentice Hey Guru!
It'll give
 
@TheLittleNaruto man told you CM was looking out for you
 
And my device is working faster than before now.
lol ok
 
11:54 AM
@ColdFire like what?
 
@Code-Apprentice debugging and some other feature dont work
 
@DarshanTrivedi sorry but you need at least 80 reputation to talk here
 
debugging works well with CM, it's just I have installed unstable one.
 
the one i tried wifi hotspot
debugging
and tethering
nothing worked in it
 
@ColdFire for app Dev you mean?
 
11:56 AM
@Code-Apprentice yes
 
Hmm... Good to know
 
use stock android and be happy
 
But I don't have enough memory!
 
buy 32gb sd card for 1 dollar
 
^
i think he mean RAM ?
 
12:03 PM
No he said free space for apps :P
 
@DarshanTrivedi again: you need 80 reputations at least. Read the rules and requirements here: room-15.github.io Requesting access again today will probably be harmful... for you
 
12:17 PM
Activity and Service have .getApplication(), but a regular Context does not. Is there a way to do it with Context?
 
Why do you need that?
 
do you need to access your application instance?
 
perhaps he want to call a application method?
 
Yeah my Application keeps track of the current activity and I need to get that
 
12:21 PM
Tim context doesnt have application because it can be anything
 
to determine whether or not to show a notification
becoz
 
but activity and service are always correspond to a application class
 
^^ Tim :D Doing my job yea?!
 
Yeah I reckon your arm gets tired from cracking the whip all day long
 
Make a getInstance() method for your application
basically application is a singleton, so just store "this" in onCreate and make a getInstance returning it
 
12:24 PM
well maybe he is trying to avoid that , are you Tim?
@TimCastelijns not you too
 
but when I store this in a static field android studio gets upset
 
doesnt complain for me
 
do not place android context in static fields; this is a memory leak
It's probably no big deal
 
studio 2.2?
 
12:28 PM
that is just lint warning
 
same here but inside storing application inside application is a false positive
 
doesnt necessary mean it will leak
 
Yeah thought so warren
 
Again: You can't leak an instance that is always there when the app is running
 
12:29 PM
You app will never have a situation where application is not instantiated
 
I've done it before in a production app and it has never failed, so I won't hesitate to do it again >:D
thanks for suggestion, problem is solved
 
some minor exceptions though when your app is "triggered from the outside"
 
still when app will start the application will be there
 
Specific example warren?
 
btw what happens in widget case , does widget also starts application class?
havent checked what happens with widgets
 
12:40 PM
@Tim the Storage Access Framework for example
 
Haven't heard of that, might not be an issue for me (I hope)
 
we are not sure how and why but it seems when you share a file from, lets say the Drive app, the provider you defined in the manifest is called and started without the application instance being created (or just not in time)
when you call getInstance() in the provider you will get null back
so within the provider you need to work with the context you have there and you can't access any application related stuff
The SAF can ease the download for you. You can say where to download a file with it and it cares about the rest
though there are some issues like it does not remove partial downloads or if you somehow fail to even start the SAF already created an 0 byte file at the destination... so you have to clean up yourself
 
Thanks for explaining. This will not be an issue for me :)
 
I just want to say you are 99,9% save using that method
 
aah warren nice wasnt aware about that
i have only used it to get sdcard write access on lollipop nothing too fancy
warren contentProviders you mean right?
which can be used across multiple apps
 
12:49 PM
I mean DocumentsProvider
 
aaah ok i see
 
> When the app is killed, the service that it had started is also killed but the service's onDestroy() is not called. So, bla bla bla....
how to not let the service die
with app.
 
you cannot prevent a service from being killed, all you can do is let it be restarted after it has been killed
 
yes. but when the activity that started the service is killed by user/system, how to unlink the service started by activity from activity. So that Service doesn't die because activity died.
 
12:57 PM
in activity.onDestroy you call unbind on the service connection
 
Activity's onDestroy shouldn't kill Service too. Ofcourse, service restarts after 5 seconds.
I didn't bind the service
does startService() binds the service
 
service won't stop if activity is destroyed
no it doesn't
 
for eg, if you use facebook chatheads, and if you kill messenger app, chathead disappears for 3-5sec. and then reappears.
 

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