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1:38 AM
#UnixTimeForAmerica
#MakeTimestampsGreatAgain
 
 
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3:15 AM
#Year2038Problem
The Year 2038 problem is an issue for computing and data storage situations in which time values are stored or calculated as a signed 32-bit integer, and this number is interpreted as the number of seconds since 00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970 ("the epoch"). Such implementations cannot encode times after 03:14:07 UTC on 19 January 2038, a problem similar to but not entirely analogous to the "Y2K problem" (also known as the "Millennium Bug"), in which 2-digit values representing the number of years since 1900 could not encode the year 2000 or later. Most 32-bit Unix-like systems store and manipulate...
 
 
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4:21 AM
good morning, today's a very wet day here in Bangalore
God I hate days like these
I shall be working on IOS objective-c for a while now :( wish me luck guys
 
4:33 AM
No plan to migrating to Swift?
 
all code examples are in obj-c i need to translate obj-c to swift everytime >.<
 
 
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6:02 AM
i hate obj-c , i only code in swift XD
 
6:19 AM
Do they have some plan to stop supporting objective C in the near future?
 
yup
 
What is the timeline?
Next year?
 
i can't remember now but it wasn't really far
things you never imagined you'd write
getActivity().runOnUiThread(new Runnable() ...
 
6:41 AM
\o
wow google login returns 502 server errors...
and this on the sysadminday...
 
I really don't get dagger2
it's been quite a number of attempts already to master it
 
who does ?
 
anyone here using it?
 
i started reading the docs, found them completely unuseful and was really unimpressed on what they were for.
i'd go for android annotations all the way.
 
6:57 AM
I see
no, that is not the issue for me
 
@Williams welcome back. As your last message was a year ago, please make sure you still know the rules: room-15.github.io
 
warren my studio is scared of you
know ram usage goes to 6gb only
hehe
i will check today too
 
it better is! :D
 
my tip for low ram situations: check if your gradle demon leaked. I have sometimes multiple instances because the demon got loose and AS just created a new instance
 
7:27 AM
maybe i havent work too much these days
well weekend will tell for sure
 
i dont get it why people are moving to swift
objective c is quite nice
 
nope swift is nicer
 
a little verbose, but that makes you a better programmer
 
well not all want to be a good programmer
 
-_-
 
7:31 AM
they just want to complete the app
 
if you set up a nice framework in obj-c you can actually work faster than swift
 
obj-c has an horrible syntax and a lame file system
you don't become a better programmer, you become a more mentally ill person.
legacy languages should better extinguish soon if we want to advance technologically.
mic drop
 
right eric
 
legacy language : A Programming Language which is still used in production code, but only in YOS (Years Old Systems). In other words, where the language is typcally only selected when its use is a "bona fide" requirement, usually due to the need to interface with zillions of lines of code that already exist and frameworks that haven't change in ages.
 
Full ACK Eric
 
7:39 AM
:( so much hate
 
it is not about hate
 
it's about progress.
28 of the top 50 banks use a 48 year old german programming language as core called ABAP.
 
it is about the basic problem of programming: The chances that you are just doing what someone else has already done is close to 100%
 
that is basically COBOL , just the german way.
 
we're not talking about COBOL here
-_-! objective-c isnt that old
 
7:40 AM
we're talking about why a system needs 24/7 engineers to mantain a 48year old system
 
it's 15 years old and it was old already
when it came out
because it's a bastard of C and C++
 
LOL
 
even Java is old... though it at least gets new features with new releases
 
yeah
java has mutated both on syntax and performance since java 1
 
7:42 AM
anyway I think that, when Java is considered a high level language, we have to move one level higher. We need a language (or something else) that defines bigger pictures
so instead of "if" and "class" and "while" and "for" we have bigger thinks
 
but the good libs are still in obj-c
 
we should be able to just combine modules or so
 
like the intuit animation engine for example
 
if you go back 5 years and tell a java engineer that we'll have lambda functions and event-oriented programming, they would probably burn you in a stake for paganism.
 
7:44 AM
lol
 
and here we are. we've got Rx even on the soap soup.
wait, that's a spanish common saying, don't know if you've got it.
means "everywhere".
 
don't start with soap... I WILL BURN YOU ALIVE!
 
?
 
SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol) is a protocol specification for exchanging structured information in the implementation of web services in computer networks. It uses XML Information Set for its message format, and relies on application layer protocols, most often Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) or Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP), for message negotiation and transmission. == Characteristics == SOAP provides the Messaging Protocol layer of a web services protocol stack for web services. It is XML-based protocol consisting of three parts: an envelope, which defines the message structure...
 
7:45 AM
has 14k+ stars so :D
soap is awesome
 
oh lol
 
:D
real men use SOAP :P
 
soap is a piece of shit and it was even before it was invented
 
soup, i wanted to say soup
 
and they write their own device drivers
 
7:46 AM
@Bhargav and you said you wanted to become a better programmer?
 
yes thats my life's goal
keep getting better
 
Don't. Use. SOAP. Period!
 
damn typos
 
yes Graph-Api it is
the latest and greatest in web services?
 
UH FUCK YES RED CIRCLE IN ARMBAND AND ARM VIBRATING, IT WORKED!
like 30 hours later!
i maanged to get TWO notis on my BLE armband work!
 
7:48 AM
lol
 
XML is outdated. That format is old, slow, redundant, hard to maintain and bloated as hell
 
hehe
warren
 
lol i <3 this song
can't share bc it's in catalan and you'll get nothing
basically it's a metal folk song that talks about a bad count and the villagers being exploited, and finally they revolt
it's made from a real medieval song ^^
 
@WarrenFaith ah I completely agree with taht statement, how did they even come up with that shit??
 
o/
 
8:09 AM
Is Nexus 5 included for N version?
 
afaik, no
 
why =(
 
I'm not authorized to provide this information
 
i am. because google stops supporting devices after he founds them boring
 
An average of only 2 years lifetime for Nexus, why Google
 
8:28 AM
what do yo do when a client api call doesn't work and the client asks for an apk? put a toast on it.
 
8:48 AM
o/
 
damn me
now i want to visit saudi arabia
anyone please remember me to not look at SE:Travel "what could i do while visiting X for business reasons?" kind of questions
 
during summer atleast.
 
when you write this three times and all you really wrote was shit
 
everybody knows that this is shit
this = ble
 
8:59 AM
morning
 
morning red
 
Good Morning Everyone~~~ :D
 
shit rofl
 
9:02 AM
yay
@W0MP3R paper paper....
 
paper paper....
 
pobre paper....
ens has lliurat del neguit...
 
9:31 AM
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also please don't scream your name in our face :D
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wait for it....
 
my whole computer locks up when building from gradle
my god
 
D:
 
10:17 AM
so gitkraken just jumped on the "pay us monthly because we give a fuck about alternatives" waggon :/
 
what?+
 
they started their "pro" features with monthly subscriptions of $6
or $5 if you pay per year
 
they had to monotise some how
it was only a matter of time
i'm starting to like the built in AS VCS
 
the problem is not that they have a pro model
the problem is the kind of model they have chosen
access to services like a website, I see why abo model makes sense, they have constant costs to keep the service up and I get automatically every improvement they release
an application is no fucking service! So an abo model does not make any sense
I want to purchase a software in the version X. I want to be able to install it wherever I want and as long as I want
if I want version Y, I want to be able to buy that version or the upgrade to it
Best sample: I bought MS Office, I use it 2 times a year. Why on earth should I pay monthly for that?
I bought the last office you could get without subscription
because I want to use it the next 10 years
and if I use it 20 times in that 10 years, I would have payed $500 fucking bugs with subscriptions
so I payed 100€ and I can use it the fuck I want
consider paying monthly subs for a CD you got from the store
beside delivering once a binary package to my pc, they have no additional costs! None! Doesn't matter if I use their software 10 times a day or once a year
so WHY are those subscription models even considered "fair" for a user?!
 
10:34 AM
is git gui's actually better than using the CLI?
 
yup
 
git gui and gitk are ugly but do the job for visualization
 
i fucking hate this device
why would someone on fucking earth use 4-channels for data transfer isntead of a fucking indexed buffer?
so instead of:
phone > write > AA 00 25 48 75 (AA- device ask, 00 - petition code, 25,48 - whatever params it needs, 75 - checksum)
device > answer > BB 00 00 ..values until byte 20
BB 00 01 ..values until byte 20
BB 00 02 ..values until byte 19.. FF (finished!)
it sends all in 4 simultanious channels
so c1[BB 00 .. bytes until 20]c2[20 more bytes]c3[20 more bytes]c4[19 more bytes.. FF]
making the whole process a fucking mess
 
11:17 AM
@Bhargav just use tig and you are all set
 
eric do you have to write code in c++ for this??
 
i repeat : i will never, ever, program in c++ :P
also, java. android.
 
anyone know how I can open a EditText for editing via clicking on a button?
requestFocus is doing nothing
 
yeah sorry found it, have to use the InputManager and bring the keyboard up, bit annoying
nothing is ever easy on android
 
12:27 PM
@Callum you need 80 rep to talk here among other things listed in our room rules --> room-15.github.io
Feel free to request again after giving some more great answers and getting there
 
1:10 PM
good morning
 
morning!!
 
1:37 PM
Good morning!
 
cM is enthusiastic today
 
my face when i screw up
 
you grin like an evil lord who has accomplished some evil plan to rule the world?
 
better let people think you screwed on purpose
than to show up that the universe simply hates you
 
1:48 PM
ooooh
 
well our dog is in a cage when we are not at home
so this would never happen
 
:O
well you're in germany your summer is our autumn
 
whatever that has to do anything with it
the cage is indoors
 
temperature
 
and the temperature has what to do with a dog in a cage?
 
1:53 PM
closed splace increases overall heat
wait, open cage?
 
of course
steel bars like cage
 
it's 41ºC right meow, don't expect me to be reasonable
okay
XD
my brain stopped working at 38
 
41!?!?
 
something like that
 
1:54 PM
my gosh
 
yup
damia must be melting
that's nice
 
so glad i'm not there
 
ooh okay
i imagined one of those plastic small cages
 
we had more closed one once but she managed to open the zippers :D
 
lol
 
1:56 PM
and this one is big enough for her to stand fully, lay down fully and she likes it enough to be found there when she needs timeout
 
lol nice XD
 
she sleeps with opened cage door there at night
 
well that's a nicely teached dog
 
my friend started using that cage for his dog as well. actually, he was advised by the professional about it since the dog barked all the time when was alone.
 
my cat is a scumbag thug that loves to bite me when he needs space in the bed
 
1:57 PM
that was us this morning... except our daughter was on top of us scratching and kicking us to get up
 
XD
 
xD
 
11 month and already a diva
 
lol
seems like your daughter and my cat went at the same "don't let grown ups sleep more" school
 
I was really happy that I could get her back to sleep for another hour today... didn't want to get up at 5:45
 
1:59 PM
D:
 
O_O
 
what? normal day as a father :D
Tuesday was hard... she woke up at 4:00 and screamed every 10 minutes for the next 90 minutes.... at least she slept again from 5:30 to 8:00
 
warren put her back in the gradle
 
lol
 
2:02 PM
hahahahha
 
@CptEric One of my dogs did that a couple years ago except the remote didn't looks as good as that one. I was not happy
 
fatherhood sounds complicated. she better be a good engineer someday.
:P
 
ugh
 
ugh
 
2:05 PM
that was hawkward.
 
i don't know to post pictures xD
 
uooo
a friend from facebook just posted this from his haf wolf "cong cong"
 
ooow...
cute
 
reminds me of someone
 
damia?
 
2:08 PM
you know. 1,70 , dark hair, hates the sun...
yup
 
hahaha
 
@codeMagic :(
 
@WarrenFaith But what if my coworkers start to notice the stench?
 
what?!
 
2:31 PM
I got my business cards today!
 
Adamy McAdamface? ;)
also, can you upload them?
I should get business cards, too, and could use some nice design/layout/other ideas
 
Because soap makes you smell good Warren
 
I don't wanna plaster it straight up in room15 but if you wanna see one Cyg send me a hangouts message
 
ok, done
 
2:53 PM
 
x'D
 
so many screenshots are required to put an app on the app store.
i have to do a minimum of 25 screenshots.
 
3:12 PM
quite a good thing ^
because users see the app on their device
 
4:03 PM
25?!?! I don't remember it being near that much. I have like 3.
 
4:15 PM
o/
 
i have 5 screenshots for every device, and the minimum number of devices i have to upload for is 5.
 
4:41 PM
\o
 
i completed my lib \0/
 
completed a lib?
nothing is ever complete.
 
hehe
well complete means what i planned to achieve i did so its complete for me
 
ah yeah
cool beans
 
4:50 PM
ever heard of retrofit for android
 
my lib try to achieve same as retrofit
i have been to get some features of retrofit
 
5:28 PM
This has me stumped... Been trying to recreate, but can't seem to figure it out. Anyone have any ideas?
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Q: Accessing User Location in API 23 throws Security Exception Though Permissions Are Granted

RarwI keep getting a security exception when trying to get location updates in API 23. The system seems to think I don't have the appropriate permissions: java.lang.SecurityException: Client must have ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION or ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION permission to perform any location operations. How...

 
5:39 PM
are you having the same problem?
or are you trying to answer the question?
 
Trying to help this guy. Been working on it since last night.
It's just something I want to know how and why...
I don't care if it helps the guy, I need to know.
 
5:54 PM
its annoyingly difficult to get this right
im trying to get an icon to appear perfectly above the thumb on a seekbar
and i cant quite get it
 
Do you have a One PlusOne @PabloBaxter? Sounds like it might even be device specific.
 
That what I was thinking. I was going to ask the guy if he can send me some more code, or even an test APK that is causing the issue.
 
Unlikely, we have the exact same permissions working fine on a OnePlus here
Ohhhh Carl. There's a UI thing in the Starbucks app.
If you click the Pay FAB on the main screen
This nice shaded window opens up
But if I hit the back button, it doesn't dismiss the window
It closes the app
Which threw me off a few times
Not sure if you wanted it like that?
Also, the dollar value in the FAB doesn't seem to update very often. I almost always have to go to the side menu, go to Pay, and then back out for it to update
So it ends up with me thinking I have more money than I do and then the card being declined when I try to pay
 
I complained about that
they didn't care
 
6:03 PM
(the back button part)
 
the value on the starbucks app is almost always incorrect.
 
you can't freakin close it after you open the FAB without tapping on the dark part of the screen
 
Yeah, it took me like 9 false exits to figure that out. Still not used to it though
 
the FAB should be clickable to shrink back to the previous
but they wanted to make the FAB clickable after opening
sigh
 
Can't you make the green FAB an exit menu button, and add another one for the actual pay barcode?
 
6:06 PM
Maybe it's an issue with OS version (going back to the SO question)
 
@PabloBaxter Perhaps. If you can get an apk I can test it out on a few
I think we have 4 OnePlus-es here
 
@RaghavSood that's what I'm saying, I argued with the engineer who added that feature that it should close when clicked again, and he was too... yes, I'll say it, he was too lazy to fight with design over the implementation.
 
Asking the guy for more code, and an APK if he is comfortable with that. I almost want to say it is something simple we are probably overlooking.
I'm going to feel real dumb if it is...
 
6:13 PM
I feel like it's something in their code
It's working fine for us
Just tried it out on a OnePlus One
Ahh well. Can't win every fight, especially at bigger companies
 
@CarlAnderson design where i work is more of a suggestion...
we get designs, if it makes sense we use them.
 
There are more designers in my department than there are Android developers
 
yeah starbucks does a lot to look good.
 
Same for us. Some of our designers follow the material specs a bit too seriously, and you can't always make that work on the device
So we improvise
 
 
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8:07 PM
Mauker always calls me his rubber duck
user image
5
 
now available on shop.room-15.com
 
<3
 
omg I wish that was a thing
 
We're a bunch of programmers, of course it can be a thing
 
we should have a t-shirt at least
We need a mascot, and logo
 
8:09 PM
Tristan is our mascot
Now for the logo...
 
should be based on the android robot imho
 
I have an idea
wait
 
so that the t-shirts make sense with the logo + url
 
I used to be a mascot
did it for 3 years at my university
 
And on that day that I shouldn't mention
 
8:15 PM
Going home. Night all
 
night
o/
 
byebye
 
night
 
8:30 PM
new avatar!
 
@McAdam331 @TristanWiley @cygery @codeMagic @eski ^
 
nice
 
I'm using it for my avatar, get your paws off
 
LOL
 
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