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7:33 AM
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Q: is there an official place to check the Android Market Billing status?

Thunder RabbitI just spent time debugging a problem that turns out was not my bug; the Android Market Billing was down/broken/etc... Is there an official place I can get the status of the Android Billing in realtime? It seems like there's not one, but can't hurt to ask!

 
 
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8:49 AM
@TR I had seen a webpage similar to this that had all of Google's services. I guess they scrapped it
They are going to scrap Google code search in January :(
 
Morning.
 
9:02 AM
Afternoon, sir!
 
user457812
I hate this year more than any other year thus far
 
Thanks @R
 
user457812
Oh christ, what the hell happened to Twitter
 
I got to play with a Galaxy Nexus today... holy shit is it awesome!
 
user457812
9:11 AM
Shame Verizon's gimping it
 
Feels nice and solid, and it's not as big as it sounds
I dare say I like it better than the iPhone 4 design
 
user457812
I'd buy one if I could get just the Nexus sans the cellular modem
 
Probably won't happen
 
user457812
I'm aware.
 
Samsung might make a similar one though
they do have iPod Touch like devices
 
user457812
9:20 AM
Yeah, no, I do not like Samsung's software
 
You could probably put Cyanogen on it
which is essentially stock Android with some minor tweaks
 
user457812
I don't buy devices that I have to hack to make them work correctly.
 
It's not about 'working correctly', it's about 'working how you like it'. Samsung's software is the best out of the custom Android designs
 
user457812
No, it's about "working correctly."
 
user457812
If I don't like it, it's working incorrectly, even if what's correct is just from my perspective.
 
9:22 AM
ok
Seems odd to dismiss a device because you don't want to 'hack' it. I don't see using alternate ROMs as hacks, because it isn't. That's like saying installing a linux distro on a PC is a hack.
 
user457812
Uh, yes, it's a hack.
 
user457812
Installing a Linux distro is different - the distro is prepackaged. You install what you got to begin with.
 
user457812
Hacking on it would then be going in and replacing the kernel.
 
But you don't hack kernels to install alternate ROMs. Many devices have a simple install process, and some manufacturers even provide the steps on how to unlock the bootloader!
 
I feel that Samsung's software has greatly improved, at least it's not as bad as it used to be. Yes there is room for improvement, I'm on it.
 
user457812
9:25 AM
Which I still consider a hack.
 
user457812
Seriously, you expect me to buy a phone that doesn't meet my needs to begin with and then say "but you can go in and do all this crap to sort of make it work!"?
 
user457812
I will be completely honest here, I find it utterly fucking insulting
 
Well, I'm not going to argue. If Cyanogen didn't make awesome ROMs, then he wouldn't have been hired by Samsung to help with theirs.
I agree that hacking shit to make it work is terrible, but I don't agree that installing an alternate ROM should be considered a hack.
 
user457812
It's a hack, even if you would like to believe otherwise. You know how I can tell it's a hack? Regular people think it's black magic.
 
@Glitch We it actually is.
 
9:28 AM
(This is the the romantic versus classical discussion from Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance). It is hard to reach common ground here guys.
 
But common ground is a hack!
 
Alright. What do you need to flash a device with a custom system image?
 
user457812
These are phones for people who should not need to hack their devices to make them work. It is really just disgusting to think that you or anyone else would suggest buying a device you are unhappy with, but then go on to say that's OK because you can go ahead and void the warranty by replacing all the crappy software you just paid for with something that has questionable support avenues.
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See, I realise that installing a ROM is difficult for the common user. But you're not the common user. If you're capable of changing something to suit you, then ignoring that option is very odd, especially if you're keen on the hardware.
 
@Glitch Even an advanced user can brick his phone.
 
user457812
9:31 AM
If someone buys a Samsung device and is happy with the software, that is awesome and I commend Samsung for making something that people enjoy. However, I don't believe it is even remotely kosher to tell someone to buy a device that they will be initially unhappy with by promising them that there's a fix out there if only they hack their devices and replace a bunch of stuff and make their device unsupportable.
 
It is not 100% guaranteed that it'll work.
By the way all that applies to HTC and LG as well.
 
@nil but I'm not arguing the general case, I'm arguing the case where the intented user is aware of and capable of flashing a custom ROM
and bricking a phone when flashing Cyanogen is almost impossible
 
user457812
@Glitch And I'm arguing that even being aware of it, I find the option utterly moronic.
 
the issue is that people don't even know what "bricking" even is
 
user457812
@Glitch Why only almost?
 
9:34 AM
because there's no such thing as certainty when it comes to computing, you should know that :P
I've never heard of someone bricking their phone flashing to a stable release of Cyanogen
 
It is not necessarily Cyanogen that bricks the phone but flashing another partition table.
Chances are high that you break your device in the process of flashing.
 
user457812
Look at it this way, if I buy a phone or tablet, I have to be able to use that phone or tablet and get support for it. If I go and hack the hell out of it because I bought it and I knew I was unhappy with it, my ability to get any support for it is gone. Even if I'm the uncommon user and know what I can do, I still don't want to do it because it is the completely wrong way of approaching the problem.
 
but that doesn't brick the phone, bricking a phone means you cannot recover it
 
@Glitch Please show me how to recover from a fubard partition table and I'll give you a unicorn.
 
Jepp... you need a proper .pit file.
 
9:36 AM
@nil Sure, but it still is an option. Until Samsung step up and offer a stock option with their phones, it's not going to happen.
 
user457812
Rooting/flashing new crap on the phone is an option, but it's an option that shouldn't need to exist.
 
It should exist, but it should also be openly supported by manufacturers to streamline the process
 
user457812
The solution should be much simpler: sell a product people will like from the get-go. If you sell something that sucks so much that people need to root it, you have failed.
 
I personally want to be able to switch OS. But I also agree that the default option should be 'optimal'.
 
user457812
I don't want to switch OSes. I use an iPhone because it comes with an OS I already like. I used a Droid 1 because it came with the OS I liked. My options now, however, are limited to really just iOS.
 
9:39 AM
You don't like stock ICS?
 
user457812
I haven't used it, so I can't say.
 
user457812
However, I won't buy a Nexus because it's gimped on Verizon.
 
There still is an option to get 100% stock Android experience. Go with the Nexus series.
 
Surely the US has unlocked ones?
 
user457812
Do I look like I'm going to pay for an unlocked phone?
 
9:40 AM
If not, tell me and I'll send you one from here.
 
user457812
If I had that kind of money sitting around, I'd have bought a regular Android tablet (well, as soon as one doesn't suck).
 
It costs only around ~190€
 
user457812
Why in the heck do you get cheap unlocked phones?
 
@OctavianDamiean wait, what?!
 
user457812
Grr, I hate my country
 
9:41 AM
I'm talking about the Nexus S just in case you guys were talking about something else.
 
oh
 
user457812
Oh, I don't want a Nexus S. -_-
 
Why not?
 
Yeah the nexus S is that much in Australia too, unlocked
 
user457812
That's just asking for disappointment
 
9:42 AM
It is a great device and it'll get ICS.
 
user457812
Hm, my backspace key makes a sort of metallic sound now
 
user457812
Yeah, but it's got hardware buttons
 
Well hardware buttons that are in fact touch baseed buttons.
What is wrong with them?
 
user457812
Doesn't let me see how ICS actually works.
 
they're horrible :P
 
9:45 AM
I don't have any problem using them.
 
user457812
The most important thing right now, however, is figuring out why Twitter is suddenly ugly
 
user457812
Some dude is asking about write access for here in my Mac room. O_o
 
user457812
Anyone want to confirm/reject my definition of a nyancat?
 
which is?
 
user457812
9:53 AM
in Mac OS & iOS, 2 mins ago, by nil
Basically, nyancats are the people who break the rules (see the things pinned on the side) and are generally lazy, useless, and bad programmers, and just kind of suck. The sort who really, really like copy/pasting code from tutorials.
 
One objection.
 
user457812
Hm, I forgot to eat dinner... and it's now .. 9 hours past dinner time.
 
I wouldn't even call them bad programmers.
 
user457812
Yeah, I was debating the "programmers" part, but I figured it's better to be generous.
 
Eh, since I came up with the concept of a 'nyancat', I think you missed the point. :P
 
9:55 AM
A bad programmer doesn't follow common standards or writes sloppy code but they just copy paste.
 
and it's actually short for 'bollywood nyancat'
 
user457812
@Glitch Definitions must evolve!
 
Perhaps, but you're describing shit users in general
 
user457812
Yeah, but I don't want to say "shit users" all the time, so I say nyancat.
 
user457812
That way it's a lot more confusing if a nyancat isn't sure what a nyancat is.
 
9:58 AM
The Nyancats refer to the users who actively seek to undermine other members, upvote their own clique, refuse to conform to community standards, and are misfits with ill intention. Their skill level varies, but is often poor.
 
user457812
I think we should just combine our definitions.
 
user457812
Say it's a conjunction of the two.
 
Ok, but we need to include the inspiration of the term too... goes to find it
 
Word
Hey, you know how I went to see a musical yesterday?
 
10:10 AM
On the way to london the Train hit someone
 
Made the whole journey a bit... round about.
 
I told you that it was a bad idea to drive the train yourself!
 
@Glitch It's not like I could have gotten lost!
 
Well you clearly missed the brakes :P
 
user457812
10:11 AM
O_o
 
Did that person die?
 
In Australia there's a $5500 fine for crossing the tracks. Yet people still manage to get killed.
Darwin's still kickin'
 
Oh yeah - shut down 4 tracks so we must have been going at speed
 
user457812
Well they got hit by a train, I would hope so 'cause otherwise it'd be really expensive to reattach all those body parts.
 
@Glitch We were on a bridge, I imagine it was suicide
 
10:13 AM
Wait, he jumped off the bridge into a speeding train?!
 
that sucks
 
AND YOU HIT HIM!
 
We were on top of the bridge, he climbed up to the train tracks
 
I hate that people inconvenience people who are using the train by , um, using the train to kill themselves.
 
user457812
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED BULLET TRAIN
 
10:13 AM
Well, we had someone get decapitated right outside our school, during school hours
that was fun
 
it happens in Tokyo a lot
 
user457812
I think most people in the US kill themselves by hanging or a shotgun in the mouth. We're very dull people.
 
gun deaths are a damn mess to clean up, and horrifying for the family who has to clean it up
hanging is at least just horrifying to the family but not a mess to clean up
 
user457812
Friend of mine had to deal with someone shooting himself, won't say who or how obviously, but it was pretty bad
 
More chance of being successful with a shotgun though
 
10:15 AM
I saw Pulp Fiction; I know all about cleaning up those types of messes
guys, do not kill yourselves. It won't help anything. srsly
 
user457812
Well considering a second member of my family is now dying, I can safely say that suicide isn't on my mind.
 
good. sorry to hear about your family member
 
user457812
Though finding some ancient monk to get rid of whatever curse has been placed on my family might be a good idea.
 
user457812
Yeah, two family members in the span of less than two months is rough
 
a shaman can do it, if that's really the problem.
 
user457812
10:18 AM
Those're hard to find and expensive, though
 
user457812
Plus I need the kind that's not afraid to spill a little goat's blood
 
user457812
@yesraaj officially has the creepiest avatar in here.
 
Bad news @Nil,
 
user457812
Bad news? All the goat-sacrificing shaman have died?
 
10:21 AM
Let's just all agree, suicide by effective sedatives only. Anything else is just mean.
 
@nil Sorry to hear that.
 
agreed
 
user457812
I am too, though I think my brain might've found some way to funnel all unhappiness over the situation into a tiny box in the back of my skull so it doesn't bother me.
 
user457812
So that kind of bothers me, but that's another issue entirely
 
unfortunately it will come back later...
 
10:23 AM
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Q: ViewFlipper with images and Videos

GabrielleGuys, I need your help. I must do a slideshow with images and videos. This slideshow must play alone (one image is displayed for 2 seconds and after 2 seconds will be display next image/video. Video must appear slow, to be played and when it stops to disappear slow and next image/video to be disp...

 
user457812
Probably, but I need the detachment for finals
 
@nil For now. One day it'll come back. :/
 
please give me an idea
 
see you guys; I gotta deal with my nyanclient
 
@ThunderRabbit Are you sure you don't have a 18 years younger twin?
I know that sounds odd. :P
 
10:25 AM
pretty sure!
 
.D
Oh yea.
turned 23 today
 
is nearly twice Oct's age
(hey TR, I thought you were leaving!!)
fine!
 
okay bye !!!
 
Bye for now.
 
10:30 AM
@ThunderRabbit here is my code
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Q: ViewFlipper with images and Videos

GabrielleI need your help. I must do a slideshow with images and videos. This slideshow must play alone (one image is displayed for 2 seconds and after 2 seconds will be display next image/video. Video must appear slow, to be played and when it stops to disappear slow and next image/video to be displayed)...

 
@Gabrielle Have you literally written the WHOLE code from copy paste?
You used that same code in a question you were bothering people about yesterday.
Go and find a tutorial, UNDERSTAND IT, and get it done. Don't copy paste then hope for everyone here to fit it into your program for you.
 
I'm tempted to start revoking write accesses again.
 
@Graeme I didn't find any tutorial with videos on ViewFliiper
@Graeme I can't find examples with videos, and here I get problems
 
Don't need to ping him on every line.
 
You're saying on the internet there isn't a tutorial on using ViewFlipper?
 
10:44 AM
ViewFlipper with images there are a lot...but with images and video too I didn't find
 
Use a frame of the video and direct the user to the real video on a click on that frame.
 
but video must start automatically, not at a click
:|
 
Well just because you want something it doesn't mean that it must be possible.
 
do you think it is not possible to make a slideshow with images and video to play automatically? on Iphone it works fine
 
user457812
Booyah, I'm younger than Octavian
 
user457812
10:52 AM
By, like, a little over one month, but still, I'm younger!
 
I'm younger than all of you, mwahahahahaahaha!!! forever alone
 
Everyone who wants unicorn-awesomeness when staring a message should install this usedscript.
@nil I'm that old?
 
user457812
You are an old man.
 
Oh my. :(
 
user457812
How do I use this scriptermajigger?
 
10:53 AM
Uh?
 
@nil It's a hack man, don't do it!
:P
 
user457812
Is it a greasemonkey thing?
 
If you are on firefox yes.
 
user457812
So, how can I get my unicorn on in Chrome?
 
People still use Firefox O_o
 
10:54 AM
Just install the userscript. :)
 
user457812
How?
 
Click that link.
If you star a message dancing unicorns will appear. :D
 
user457812
Hm, not working
 
What is not working?
 
user457812
I see not the unicorns
 
10:56 AM
Hmm, refresh the page.
 
user457812
I did.
 
Works for me. :/
 
user457812
Hm, wonder if the cache is messing with it. Nope.
 
Still not working?
 
user457812
Yeah, dunno, no point worrying about it
 
10:59 AM
It is awesome though.
 
user457812
I think I'll go to sleep or something
 
You should fix the unicorns.
 
user457812
I'd rather not, since it's 4am and fixing things at 4am is a bad idea
 
user457812
Last time I fixed something at 4am, I broke my Mac OS install.
 
Oh. :D
Well good night then.
 
11:22 AM
Lux now shows the current brightness level in the optional persistent notification
now for the fun part... re-writing everything in 'simple mode'
 
@Glitch What did you learn from the Configuration section of your app btw?
I'm writing my own configuration page and it looks a bit.. poo..
How did you align things?
 
I just modified the PreferenceActivity class
well, themed it
 
-.- Doh
 
Version 11 :(
 
11:29 AM
hmm?
 
That's PreferenceFragment btw
 
ahh
preferenceactivity is api level 1 :P
 
nods
Boooooooooollocks
So, whats peoples preference for displaying TextView & EditTexts in force in your app?
TableLayout is fine apart from my I need Heading's between Table's making all of the columns go off kilter.
For a start diminishing heading size doesn't work when the heading size goes below the devices default text size :P
 
The solution is simple... delegate the difficult parts to the guy sitting next to you!
 
Hi glitch
 
11:35 AM
hey
 
Can we assign a default heap for an app ?
 
I'm the only android guy :) I've had this deligated to me from team lead. Unfortunately he was also the one to decide the names & stuff.
Yeah Glitch, Answer the man's question.
 
@Hardik4560 probably not
 
Any other info ?
hi graeme
I mean can we set the size of allocated heap
 
11:40 AM
ok let me check..thanks
 
11:59 AM
Ok, again sanity question
android:layout_gravity="right" in a linear layout should make it stick to the right hand side correct?
 
yup it should..so ?
 
wow, I wrote a fat document and Microsoft decided to eat it up and leave no traces of it anywhere on my PC ... >:(
 
Reno have you tried your temporary data files?
 
yeah, it's nowhere
 
Bad times :(
 
12:02 PM
The sooner Microsoft goes out of business, the better
 
yeah :( killed my Friday for me
I saved it and everything..
It's just ... gone
 
This is why I'm paranoid and will always hit 'save as...' and make a copy in my Dropbox
Or just use Google Docs
ok, from now on, I'm commenting my code properly
>_<
is digging through code written 5 months ago
 
12:22 PM
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Q: Should off-topic chat messages be moved to more suitable chat rooms?

Andy E's headThis seems like a ridiculous question to ask given the existence of the message admin feature, but I managed to get sucked into a discussion about this in the chat rooms and would like some clarification. As room owners, we're given tools to move messages out of the room into a different, more s...

little turf wars
 
lol
Reno - I haven't seen any comments from your side.
 
I have a silly question... what reason is there to use a case statement over an if-else statement?
 
@Glitch Case statements are good when you have an integer value and rules where you want several of the cases to happen.
 
Y r u asking such questions..?
 
So, if 0 then a, b, & c, if 1 then b, c if 2 then c.
 
12:26 PM
so it's more of a readability thing?
and the fact that it has a default case?
 
@Hardik that's "Why are you". Keep the txtspk in your mobile please :)
 
readability thing is fine. and about the default case IF ELSE have the else for that
ok @Reno
 
thanks :)
 
@Glitch Yes, pretty much is readability - Although see my previous statement about cases performing multiple selections of answers (Cut's down on massive elseif ( && && &&) which can be minorly more processor intensive).
But only by a few clock cycles
 
Can we have some introduction please. I am a newbie .
 
12:31 PM
@Graeme the compiler probably optimises it anyway
 
Probably
 
From what I know most compilers converts switch statements to if-else.
@Lalit I did not bother to read any of it.
Except the title.
 
1:05 PM
@Reno I expected you to comment there, it would have been an interesting one.
 
1:22 PM
On a Friday evening? >_< No thank you.
 
@Reno what ?
 
1:40 PM
is so bored of being at work today
 
I just found a really nasty corner case in Lux :/
actually... just a PEBKAC error >_>
 
PEBKAC?!
 
I'm afraid so
 
Ah - I sometime think people like to anacronise too much.
Or, ISTPLTATM
Nono, Sometimes I Think People Anacronise Too Much = SITPATM :)
 
1:56 PM
I Sometimes Talk Pretty Loud To Animals That Mate?
ahhhh
 
2:12 PM
Motorola was granted an injunction against Apple in Germany!
 
W00t
So, is it /really/ the case that you can't use italic text in Android without hacking it?
 
2:57 PM
Guess so o.o
 
You can use italics
e.g. <string name = "example"><b>BOLD</b><i>italics</i></string>
The Old Guys is good fun
I wish they'd stop airing the same season over and over though D:
 
@Glitch Yeah, but if you use italics there is a bug in android which draw's the text's bounding box too small.
 
3:12 PM
:/
 
3:26 PM
According to the almighty internets the only way to fix it is to add " \" to the end of any string which it going to be italic!
 
@Reno congrats for achieving 10k.
Hi Glitch.
 
hey
 
what's up man.
 
doing some alterations on my code
 
3:39 PM
yeah
 
Ok good.
 
4:37 PM
morning
 
hey
 
Morning @Pyrodante
And Mr Boosties
Why is my stupid adapter not refreshing itself :/
 
5:08 PM
The bookclub meet shouldn't be on Friday o_O
 
5:30 PM
I can't remember the last time we actually did book club
 
5:44 PM
Welcome @tacone
 
 
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6:56 PM
I've just spent 3 hours on this page
 
Your a bad person @Reno
 
user457812
7:11 PM
That Andy dude (from the turf war above) is very strange.
 
turf war
 
@Pyrodante *You're :P
Yeah he is well weird, that Andy guy
 
7:27 PM
@Reno sure, pick on the dyslexic :P
 
*lysdexic :D
 
user457812
 
9:51 PM
@nil I was about to post that. Apparently two hours too late.
 
what is webOS even coded in?
 
JavaScript? Really?!?
 
10:16 PM
welcome
 
user457812
11:06 PM
@Pyrodante webOS apps are written using Javascript and C/C++.
 
user457812
Can be one, the other, or both. C/C++ is for games and stuff that requires performance, Javascript is for UI.
 
user457812
It's weird, but it works out pretty well since it's fairly easy to customize UIs thanks to it being HTML/CSS/JS
 
probably designed that way to make the transition easier from web design to app design
 
user457812
11:24 PM
It's basically Google's dream come true, but because Google is too incompetent to actually do it, Palm did it instead.
 
I might take a look at webOS once it is open sourced.
 
user457812
I probably won't, just because I think it's a dead end. Would be awesome if I was proven wrong, though.
 

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