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12:27 AM
@Feeds @nil Wait, what?
 
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12:41 AM
nil has removed nil from the list of room owners.
 
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Fairly simple.
 
Good morning everyone
 
WHY???
Are you quitting your moderating job?
Where is the letter of resignation? borrrden has to approve it.
 
1:16 AM
borrrden
Make nil come back.
 
1:27 AM
enrico
how are you?
 
Not too bad.
You?
 
I feel good
I'm starting to work in my new office today
and I have outside view
I can see park from my desk and it feels good haha
 
2:13 AM
I think @nil is tired of Michael's sarcasm and Gudiya's endless narcissism
I, for one, hope that this only means that he is relinquishing ownership and not ceasing to come here in general
 
I hope so too.
@nayoso Wow, nice! Photo!!!
 
I made an OS X application yesterday :p
It was my first time experimenting with making a dynamic library
 
Later enrico ahhah
 
Awwwwww
I want to make an OS X app too!
I wish I have more time
I wish I only work 3 days a week.
 
actually the place in front of my new office is USA's barrack
 
2:15 AM
Hahahaha
 
I made it for my job
So that the designers spend less time screwing up HTML :p
I made a program to output the base HTML for them and all they have to do is add CSS to adjust the layout
 
I think I spent half my life dealing with HTML and explaining HTML to other people.
 
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@EnricoSusatyo I didn't leave.
 
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I stopped being an owner 'cause I don't care to do it.
 
:/
So I will have to tell people to create SO question then.
 
2:21 AM
Yes, and me :p
 
lol
And then tell them not to dump 300 lines of code.
 
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2:36 AM
Yep. Have fun with that.
 
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I tried to un-owner myself in the Android room but they wouldn't let me. ಠ_ಠ
 
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I'm going to have to do it sneaky-like.
 
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I wonder if Apple lifting the no-dynamic-libraries restriction in iOS 8 is because Swift can't compile static libraries
 
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3:06 AM
Finally bothered to make SnowKit a submodule of SwiftSchemer so that cloning it doesn't require you to go out and clone/build SnowKit as well
 
This is interesting news (dynamic libraries)
I would guess it is because of application extensions
 
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That too, actually
 
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I haven't looked into anything at all regarding extensions yet.
 
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I'd guess it's just a plugin bundle shipping with the application
 
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I did see that 1Password built an extension though, and I'm looking forward to that
 
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3:19 AM
Would be better though if there were some standard protocol for password extensions so everyone's password app could hook into it
 
4:12 AM
Some of you might be interested: amazon.com/dp/B00K73NT0S
The 128GB is discounted from $119 to $64 today.
 
4:24 AM
LOL
Great excuse for a day off from someone at my company
"I had a dentist appointment but there was a robbery this morning at the dentist's office so my appointment has been moved to the afternoon while they investigate"
 
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I was going to ask if an expansion card was a PC-Card but apparently it's just an SD card.
 
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Meaning IO slower than anything you can possibly imagine.
 
Well... If it's just to store your iTunes library or some movies, I think that'll be fine.
 
4:49 AM
my computer was struggling this morning to play some parts of watch dogs on medium settings....
My disk was pretty fragmented so I bet that didn't help, but now I have to consider if I should buy a playstation or a new graphics card :p
 
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Depends on how bad the port of Watch Dogs to the PC is.
 
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Since it's Ubisoft, I'd guess it's pretty bad.
 
Only driving is bad
Actually I was able to turn up the graphics A LOT for all other parts
 
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How much of the game is driving?
 
But driving just kills it
Well, it's pretty much like GTA so between missions you go around driving a lot
 
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4:51 AM
What kind of hard drive?
 
Seagate C: and Western Digital D:. SATAII
Maybe 3, I don't remember...
 
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Speed?
 
I vote for a PS4 :P
 
It's been a few years
7200
 
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Maybe get an SSD?
 
4:52 AM
I was considering that as well
My graphics card is also fairly dated by today's standards
 
SSD is very cheap right now.
 
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If the game runs fine otherwise, it's probably that it's trying to pull too much data and shove too much of it off to vram, so it's probably IO-bound somewhere.
 
I thought of that too, since I noticed the HD light blinking when the problem was occurring
 
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So might be GPU memory speed or might be disk speed.
 
I think SSD will improve only loading screen.
 
4:54 AM
Most open world games load on demand
 
Because usually a game will load all the resources needed to draw a scene from the hard drive when you enter an area.
 
However, the ultra textures require 3GB of VRAM
 
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Assassin's Creed 4 runs like crap on my system most of the time, but it's streaming everything off a USB drive and that's somehow not an issue for it
 
High requires 2GB, and medium requires I don't know
 
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And that's going through USB 2.0
 
4:55 AM
My card is 1GB
I can still play it on the higher settings though. I guess it will draw from main RAM as well
 
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Maybe it's just constantly paging stuff in and out of vram then?
 
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id Tech 5 did that a lot, but it got around it somehow (probably helped that it did it progressively and stuff was lower-res)
 
Assassin's creed 4 runs much better now that I upgraded
 
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That said, John Carmack's a genius, so I don't know how Ubisoft's stuff compares
 
No more stutters and freezes
I'm going to try it again tomorrow with a defragmented hard drive:p
 
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4:57 AM
The main issue I have with Assassin's Creed 4 is that all cutscene sounds play faster than the cutscenes
 
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So Edward will finish saying something stupid as usual and he'll still be moving his mouth for about 10 seconds
 
My issue is I lost my 20 hours of gameplay
:p
When I upgraded Windows
 
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I think it's just that the audio is starting too soon since the cutscenes actually look like they're playing at normal speed
 
What Windows are you running on?
 
8.1
Mismatched audio and video drives me up the walls
 
5:01 AM
Ah I see.
I am going to install Windows 7 in my Mac this weekend, btw.
And nil why is your Twitter name Doggerel le Hyphena-?
I've been meaning to ask for a while.
 
Apparently my card is listed under the recommended specs for this game though :p
The CPU is slightly short of the recommended
 
5:18 AM
Nice write up of someone trying out many vid cards and 2 cpus in a matrix setup
His conclusion: The game is optimized very poorly and even top of the line hardware cannot achieve 60 fps on ultra settings
 
I want this project to be overrrrrrrr
 
user457812
I am Owlking, Doggerel the Hyphena- and you will respect my choice.
 
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Also: because I can.
 
NO
YOU ARE NOEL
 
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5:55 AM
I keep thinking I should write a blog post about Swift but then that'd make me one of those people
 
It's ok.
You're one of us.
And write it, I am interested.
 
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Wouldn't know what to write about in Swift.
 
6:13 AM
OK I like my new macbook pro
even though it's more noisy than my previous macbook air
 
What MacBook Pro did you get, nayoso?
I am now so spoiled of the retina display.
I still have 4 more years until I should be buying a new laptop. I hope by then everything are using retina display.
 
I'm still paying for my macbook
 
I used the last MacBook I had for 5 years and it was still quite fine in the end.
I'm now thinking whether I should sell that on eBay. It goes for $350 ish.
 
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My last MBP no longer has a battery.
 
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I believe it's also running 10.7
 
6:29 AM
Mine runs 10.9 actually, and will run 10.10.
How old is it?
 
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It was from 2008.
 
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I could probably update it, I just haven't
 
You can, all 2008 MBP models support it
 
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Actually, I could throw the 10.10 beta on it
 
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At the very least, updating it to 10.9 should improve performance on it
 
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6:49 AM
I just spent 30 minutes guessing what my old MBP's password was.
 
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And now I'm on the machine.
 
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It's very top-heavy without the battery.
 
My battery last for like 20 minutes.
I hope that the newer MacBooks can last longer since the batteries are almost impossible to replace.
 
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I can't get the App Store to work.
 
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It just keeps telling me it can't connect.
 
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6:55 AM
Presumably this is a side-effect of it being 10.7.4
 
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7:27 AM
I used Airdrop for the first time ever today.
 
8:15 AM
Discovered a bug today in one of our oldest apps
Amazing that no one complained about it in the three months since it entered
I guess no one uses that feature :p
 
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8:27 AM
More or less how I felt upon realizing my app would literally crash on startup in certain versions of Android
 
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That bug had been in there for months.
 
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No crash had ever been reported and I'd never been contacted.
 
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Not too surprising since I apparently just had no users on that version of Android. Backwards compatibility was broken but that affected nothing because nobody wanted it.
 
the biggest threat to any computer system is the users. ironically, without the users the system is usually pointless.
 
Morning folks.
@rage How is your Swift today?
 
8:38 AM
morning mate
it's not bad actually
 
@nil any news one your job hunt/offers?
Good to hear :]
 
I've just improved upon my first ever pure-swift application
 
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Might hear something by the end of the week. They're still reviewing stuff.
 
I'm really enjoying writing Swift.
 
yeah me too
 
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8:39 AM
I rewrote Schemer in Swift. That was interesting.
 
@nil Good luck. Got my fingers crossed for you :]
 
@nil I'm also hiring, but only people with the right to live and work in the UK
 
And willing to move/commute to London I imagine? ;]
 
well yes, that'd be a benefit
it's in Kingston
 
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I actually looked into what it'd take for me to work in the UK, and suffice to say it's ridiculous how little they want people coming there
 
8:40 AM
not Kingston, Jamaica, but the original one
 
haha :P
 
Kingston-upon-Thames
 
Don't move to the UK.
Most of us are having a hard time getting out of here.
 
what are you talking about?
I just got here
 
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The cost to just apply apparently gets reduced for game developers though — that's considered a job that doesn't have enough people.
 
8:41 AM
I'm not leaving for a few more years
 
Yeah. There was a big push for game devs last year
Tax breaks and all that.
 
yeah but they also get paid shit
 
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Anyway, I'd eventually like to try living in the UK, but moving there for my first dev job seems like it'd be kind of insane
 
I've lived in UK for almost 30 years now
I'd kill for a warmer climate
 
what? this July was pretty decent
 
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8:42 AM
Eh, depends on how you view developer pay anyway. If you look at Silicon Valley as your baseline, everyone's underpaid since everyone in Silly Valley is overpaid.
 
It's not been bad weather this year but still much colder than I'd prefer :P
 
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It's anyone's guess why you'd incorporate there now
 
I don't know nil, I get paid very similar to what people in Silicon Valley get paid
 
what do the folks in SV make?
 
Captain, you might want to try the other Kingston then
 
8:43 AM
money-wise.
I'd be down for Jamaica :D
 
$150k - $200k
 
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@CaptainRedmuff Varies, but I've seen mid/entry-level stuff start at $80k to $90k due to location.
 
I'm not talking about entry level
 
say whaaaaat? 0.o
I'm massively underpaid in that case :P
 
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And that's keeping in mind that rents around there are ~$1500 to $2000
 
8:44 AM
Just found out this great link. you're welcome :)
 
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I'm not clicking that link unless you explain what it is
 
Pictures of @Dev2rights's mom.
 
it's a collection of mobile security stuff
I've clicked it
 
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Clicked like 50 times.
 
It's list of top 10 security holes in mobile apps
 
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8:45 AM
Are they all dumb ones like buffer overruns?
 
you can read them
 
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#1) Server-side issue, not a mobile app issue.
 
so Captain, $150k translates to approximately £90k
which isn't unachievable in London
 
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#2) Matter of opinion.
 
OWASP kinda well-known for it's security-issues lists.
 
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8:46 AM
#3) Yep.
 
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#4) Would have to read more to see what that means..
 
It's not mine creation, just found it and was really impressed.
 
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A lot of these sound less like mobile app issues and more like server-side stuff or typical bad behavior due to deadlines and whatnot where you compromise on stuff because you've got to ship and your client's not considered this very well
 
they are still valid
most of them
 
morning and lol Captain
 
8:47 AM
and a mobile project isn't just about client side development
 
user457812
No, but a mobile app is a client-side application.
 
true that
 
word
 
morning Jim
 
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Usually. Technically it could also be a server.
 
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8:48 AM
Either way, semantics.
 
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Short explanation: balancing security and deadlines is hard.
 
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Also people are lazy about error handling.
 
Security is hard anyways
 
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Sort of like that Swift removed exceptions since now your stuff just crashes if you do a bad thing.
 
there is no exceptions in swift?
didn't know that
 
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8:49 AM
There's no exception handling.
 
So there is everything on error-codes?
 
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Yes.
 
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I mean, technically, I know how to add exception handling.
 
@rage Maybe in London. I'll be struggling to earn half of that up north :/
 
morning Marton
 
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9:20 AM
gist.github.com/nilium/8369065a7b7801aa79db ⇐ In case anyone is wondering how to more or less tack exception handling onto Swift.
 
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If anyone uses that code, by the way, they are a terrible human being
 
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I guess that also sort of illustrates Swift's C interop: it's just there.
 
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If you include it in the bridging header, it will make it available.
 
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9:34 AM
Mac OS 10.9 now installing on the old MBP.
 
Errors codes aren't very handy.
It's unix legacy for me. It's kinda ok in processes to return error codes, but inside program, error code isn't enough. How do you pass stack trace with error code? Some useful information?
 
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Error codes are potentially much more useful with enum cases.
 
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e.g., enum Error: LogicValue { case Success; case Timeout; case Response(code: Int, detail: String); /* ... */ }
 
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Where its implementation of LogicValue should ideally return true for success.
 
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Also, a stack trace is what you get when something isn't recoverable, in which case you can raise an exception and let everything crash.
 
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9:49 AM
You're not doing anything programmatic with that information.
 
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Error codes are for handling errors, which is what people think they're doing by catching exceptions when an exception really ought to be some sort of unrecoverable error since it's going to potentially screw up stuff in the process of unwinding the stack anyway.
 
Exception aren't always unrecoverable. There is even Monad Try in some languages, which is server exactly this purpose.
 
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Which is more or less what I just wrote.
 
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Here's another way to think of it: an exception is an error code that plans to take your entire program with it.
 
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Whatever data is attached to it, it's probably not useful to you upon catching it beyond possibly knowing its name and whether you can swallow it, in which case it shouldn't be an exception anyway.
 
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9:54 AM
Either way, error codes are useful if you don't ignore them. Problem is just that everyone ignores them.
 
akk
1:10 PM
Hi any body know how to clear treecontroller.
 
 
1 hour later…
2:51 PM
Hi guys,
Anybody with experiences with GameCenter here ?
 
3:15 PM
I did some stuff
I really hate the autorotate stuff in iOS
its always a pile of crap
 
4:01 PM
@Dev2rights, I'm trying to code a wrapper for GameCenter to use in Unity engine as a plugin
here's the implementation of the wrapper : gist.github.com/sepehrom/8abfc5cea2263eaaad71
Everything works perfectly like updating achievements , submitting score and etc
But there's just a minor problem in showing leaderboard
leaderboard is shown when I call it for the first time ( where I do authenticate before showing the leaderboard )
and its delegate is set correctly so when I press done button, it gets dismissed
But that delegate callback does not happen in upcoming calls...
For example when I show leaderboard for the second time, I can't dismiss it again
There must be some problems with instances and delegates, but I can't find what it is
Can anybody take a look at the code and help me out ?
 
4:49 PM
anyone?
this room is so dead rn
 
5:09 PM
Cant say i had that issue unfortunatley
 
007
6:00 PM
hey anyone there
 
Hi, can anyone help with a Today widget question?
 
007
ios
 
6:30 PM
0
Q: Why is xcodebuild not building dependencies when testing?

Ethen A. WilsonWhen I run xcodebuild, it crashes. It seems that it is not compiling the test target's dependency, which is the main app. The test target is called NiknikTests, while the app's target is called WTATest3. Ld build/UninstalledProducts/NiknikTests.xctest/NiknikTests normal i386 cd "/Users/ethen...

A 50 bounty and no answers/comments?
 
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7:06 PM
Alright, finally got Yosemite downloading on the old MBP
 
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Difficult only because I'm incapable of typing a randomly generated password correctly and because that MBP will not under any circumstances automatically connect to a wifi AP without logging in
 
007
hello nil
how are you
 
7:35 PM
So there is no URL Scheme for FaceTime Audio?
 
I'm back
@DestinyDawn I can help
 
Hey
 
007
7:56 PM
hey i am getting bullets when i am encoding my attributed string
i want to remove them
any idea
 
8:24 PM
what bullets?
 
9:08 PM
Filter them out
 
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Bullets?
 
2
Q: NSString value validation in iOS

Harish SaranThis simple validation method for NSString makes trouble. I have an NSString value and I want to validate the string, i.e, if the string contains only 'a to z' (or) 'A to Z' (or) '1 to 9' (or) '@,!,&' then the string is valid. If the string contains any other values then this the NSString is inv...

 
9:23 PM
@Feeds ????
Nil, you removed yourself as an owner of the room?
Oh never mind, I guess lol
 
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Yes.
 
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Because I wanted to.
 
lol
I know where you live, nil.
 
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Not exactly hard to find that out.
 
9:32 PM
Is that right lol?
 
user457812
Are you asking if the thing on my LinkedIn/most other profiles is right?
 
Donnie Three-Toes
It's on your LinkedIn?
Darn, I need to get better at stalking people
 
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Donnie Three-Toes?
 
cowersworth
 
user457812
Are you looking at my old Yahoo account now or something? O_o
 
9:35 PM
Wait, Donnie Three-Toes was wrong?
darn
 
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I'm also not really sure where I've used cowersworth.
 
Kristin Carew?
Donnie Three-Toes sounded so like you lol
 
user457812
I used that years ago for Flickr, I can't remember anything else
 
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I ended up dropping it because someone complained to me that that was their nickname
 
OH YEAH
Donnie three-toes?
 
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9:38 PM
Yes.
 
How do multiple people have that as their nickname lol
 
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How do multiple people have the name Noel Cower?
 
user457812
There are multiple people with my name. I find it weird, but they exist.
 
They... don't?
Oh wow
Kill them
Kill them all
 
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I'd rather not. Ambiguity is a good thing.
 
9:39 PM
Why?
I want to stand out like a sore thumb
That's why I'm going to murder my three other clones
 
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I used to. I'd rather just be invisible these days.
 
I promise not to stalk you, nil.
 
user457812
These days it's hard just going out for a daily walk because being male and alone in a park looks weird.
 
Just bring one of your cats
 
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Everyone's paranoid of strangers, and any adult that's not part of a group is one.
 
9:41 PM
Everyone is way less suspicious-looking when they have a furry friend
 
10:05 PM
I love barbs on my knives
That way if you stab someone they can't pull it out
Oops I meant something and it
Ugh, I wish you could just make an IB connection with a segue instead of having to use an identifier.
Especially since you can't use constants in IB, that is really annoying
 
10:42 PM
Nil, is it because of new job you are getting?
 
11:01 PM
huh?
I have a core data doubt.
It's in general, actually.
 
Shoot. I doubt I have enough expertise to answer your question, lol.
 
lol
Okay
When we fetch from core data, if the gonna be fetched objects are already in the context, then they are returned from the context.
 
Leaving for home. Bye all! Have a good weekend
 
If not, then they are taken from the store
how to know if they are coming from the context?
 
Have to read documentation. Two years I read last time.
Good question thiugh
 
11:12 PM
I have read
But theres no way
I will explain next time you come here
happy weekend
 
user457812
11:37 PM
Speaking of jobs, I now have a job.
 
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Not saying much else about that for now.
 
@nil AAAA Congrats!!!
 
user457812
Anyhow, I start on Monday, so cue me adjusting to learning to program in a team and otherwise getting used to working somewhere again.
 
11:59 PM
And waking up in normal hours.
And AGILE
 
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It's apparently waterfall.
 
And talking to people
Oh wow.
 
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Well, the team I'd be on to start is waterfall, the other one's Agile.
 

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