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12:00 AM
I could understand doing some stuff via CLI, like file manipulation and text editing
 
user457812
No.
 
But browsing the internet?
Ugh
 
user457812
There are a variety of desktop environments for Linux.
 
user457812
Alright, that USB key worked.
 
12:01 AM
Lol, and everybody seems to hate them all and yet fight over which one is better
 
Nice! :D
 
user457812
I should probably buy some new USB keys.
 
I always thought Linux was used through pure CLI
which is crazy
 
user457812
Linux is a kernel.
 
Good point
 
user457812
12:03 AM
It mostly depends on how much of a distinction you want to make between what Linux is and what the userland stuff is.
 
I wish nothing was ever deallocated.
 
I also have the bad habit of saying Linux
When I mean GNU / Linux
 
That would make my life easier
And less memory efficient.
G2G
 
user457812
I'd personally rather use a BSD, but compatibility with those is harder since most people focus on GNU / Linux.
 
user457812
So, you end up with generally worse hardware support and whatnot.
 
12:55 AM
Good morning everyone
 
1:12 AM
Good morning boys, @nayoso.
 
user457812
Downloading Windows 8 is taking a while.
 
user457812
On the upside, I don't have to install Win7 updates to install Win8.
 
Interesting thought: Should you hash the answer and question of the security questions when saving them to database (e.g. mother's maiden name).
 
Depends on what they are used for
 
Seeing that many answers aren't case sensitive, it seems like they didn't hash it.
 
user457812
1:16 AM
On the downside, I can't go directly to 8.1 because my key is only for Win8 and Microsoft makes a distinction despite 8.1 being free.
 
user457812
Or they hash a lowercased answer and compare your lowercase answer.
 
I'd consider it to be overkill if all the answer allows you to do is generate a link to be emailed to your account address
However, if the answer showed your social security number etc then yeah, hash the shit out of it
 
user457812
Store nothing sensitive in plaintext.
 
And I agree re: BSD
GNU is the hammer pants of the open source world
It was totally in fashion for a while, but now not many people want to be associated with it
At least that's the impression that I get
I'm sure the foundation still has a lot of members, but young developers don't seem to accept their reasoning
I am getting a free Packt ebook for being a technical editor
Any suggestions?
(I get to choose which one)
 
user457812
Dunno. Just avoid the instant starter ones. They're mass produced and handed off to people who shouldn't be writing guides.
 
1:24 AM
You mean the ones with "Instant" in the title?
 
user457812
Yes.
 
Hmm "Mastering Windows 8 C++ Development" could come in handy
Although I think by banging my head against it for a while I've figured out a lot of the confusing parts
 
user457812
What do you want to bet it's managed or COM-ified C++?
 
From my experience, you don't have to use COM that much
The WinRT libraries will do that for you
But a big yes for managed
They introduce the "hat" symbol and "ref" and "val" keywords
I also find that you cannot mix public plain C++ types and C++/CX types in the same DLL
So for our project we have a "WinRT base" DLL and a "Project base" DLL haha
Have to look into the author
 
user457812
Long as you don't get the book I was asked to review.
 
1:36 AM
You have any experience with F#?
 
user457812
I only looked at it once years ago, so no.
 
user457812
I've heard it's nice.
 
A guy I knew used it for part of his project
I should ask him why
Because I had to update Mono just to compile it :p
 
user457812
I'm pretty sure back when I looked at it, I had no appreciation for functional programming at all, so that probably didn't help.
 
user457812
I think with functional stuff you need to have enough exposure to have an ah-ha moment. Or you need to really, really like recursion.
 
user457812
1:40 AM
Well, you need to like recursion and like it because it's a coherent expression of a function compared to loop iteration.
 
Any thoughts on this, iOS devs? dropbox.com/s/i2wl55wgl6uw5ye/…
It looks like I'm just asking questions but I am also reading your answers.
Re secret answers hashing: Noel's approach makes sense.
 
user457812
The insane person always makes the most sense.
 
I got this email as well
I am pretty much going to ignore it
Most of it doesn't apply to me since our client's apps are only released in Japan
 
user457812
Alright, Win8 downloaded and preparing to install.
 
Get 8.1 as soon as possible, then 8.1 Update 1 haha
 
user457812
1:44 AM
I intend to.
 
I had 8.0 for a while before 8.1 came out
It was semi-annoying to use and very annoying to program for
 
user457812
More importantly though, I just want 8 minimum for the HDPI support.
 
I've noticed over the years that dot zero releases from MS are scary things. It usually takes an update or two before they stabilize.
 
user457812
If Microsoft's are scary, Apple's should be utterly terrifying.
 
Why is that?
 
user457812
1:48 AM
Rule of thumb: each new release of OS X is broken in some way until x.x.1
 
user457812
The problems have gotten less awful over the years though.
 
user457812
Now they're usually limited to battery issues, fan issues, monitor issues, and wifi issues.
 
user457812
BAD WINDOWS 8, BAD, WHY DID YOU DO THAT
 
user457812
WHO TOLD YOU TO REPAIR A USB DRIVE ON BOOT!?
 
user457812
WHY
 
1:52 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 
user457812
Thank god that wasn't the time machine disk
 
Repair means format, is it?
 
user457812
No, but I'll be damned of I trust Windows to repair a drive that works.
 
I don't actually know what repairing does on Windows
Sometimes I am convinced it just does it for fun
And outputs "OK"
 
user457812
I don't know and don't want to know. That disk is to remain untouched.
 
user457812
1:56 AM
How the hell do I skip this Win8 tutorial
 
IF YOU ARE ON WIN8 TUTORIAL THEN HOW CAN YOU BE IN NSCHAT?
MAYBE YOU SKIPPED THE TUTORIAL ALREADY AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IT.
 
user457812
It's called an iPad.
 
The magical iPad.
 
user457812
Forgot to do a crucial step after installing windows: disable all system sounds.
 
DUNG DING DUNG DING DUNG
 
2:06 AM
So Noel, you booted Laddu?
 
user457812
Temporarily. She can join whenever she wants.
 
Why did you boot her?
 
user457812
She was being a pest.
 
To you personally or the room at large?
 
user457812
Both simultaneously.
 
2:07 AM
Well, I was there.
 
and?
 
user457812
She decided to insult someone's code and I pointed out there was nothing wrong with it so she continued insulting everyone.
 
Yeah.
 
user457812
So I removed her access long enough to silence it.
 
user457812
Past that, nothing is stopping her from joining.
 
2:09 AM
If you put a letter in a public mailbox without a stamp, what will happen to it?
 
user457812
Does it have a sender's address on it?
 
Yes
 
user457812
If yes: probably gets returned.
 
It will be returned to the sender, but if they do it many times enough they'll just throw it in the bin.
 
Because I was wondering
What if I reverse the two addresses?
Free postage, bitches!
 
user457812
2:10 AM
Otherwise, I believe the letter is to be opened and destroyed.
 
That would work within the same postal zone, but probably not outside.
 
Lol until it gets thrown away
 
And it will vary by country.
Here in the US you could probably go to prison for mail fraud if you got caught.
 
user457812
I have 87 updates to install before I can install 8.1
 
user457812
YES, STICKY KEYS IS DISABLED BY DEFAULT.
 
user457812
2:13 AM
NEVERMIND I WAS WRONG SCREW MICROSOFT
 
Lolololol
I tried to install Vista for someone, and there were hundreds of updates
required several restarts, and then got stuck on an update
It would fail to install every time...but then report that there were uninstalled updates
 
user457812
I had that issue with installing vista service packs.
 
user457812
I was never able to update vista as a result.
 
BTW, when is Ethen usually online? I've been trying to catch him online for a few days now.
 
user457812
Random hours.
 
2:24 AM
bought my ticket. i am broke
 
user457812
Why go if it costs too much?
 
Anyway, I'm gonna sign off for the night
 
because its WWDC
have to go at least once. its a blast. and cool lunch time talkers, I hope JJ does it again or some other director. and then the bash seems hella fun
so I'm going, i was lucky to get a ticket and not missing it
 
user457812
"There was a problem installing updates."ahdnfidncidnfkmcdkdmckdmdkmelxmcji
 
Lol out of all the people in the world Max gets a ticket :p
5
Great luck
 
2:30 AM
:P
 
Be sure to inform them about all their bugs
 
i get to meet developers. gunna try and hangout with them. get app stickers.. and i will
 
user457812
Well, if he earned it, there's nothing more to say
 
I go to stump the experts, "Y U MAKE BUGS!!!"
 
What happened to your scholarship app?
I want to play the text-based Max game
 
2:31 AM
i don't think i will win
if i win, that will be the worst luck ever
apple won't give refund
i didnt do a text based game:P
 
I don't suppose you are allowed to sell your ticket either
 
i did the card view, each card different information. i saw other WWDC kids and i don't think i would win. buying ticket is expensive but guarantee i go
 
user457812
Really wish I could install 8.1 already so I can have windowed metro apps.
 
or i would be in sac sitting in my room downloading videos the next day. won't get to meet peoples
nope. had a little box, i thought it was funny
"i agree not to buy more than 1 ticket or sell it"
i didnt see a place to buy more than 1? do i click the link again to buy more? XD
:O what if the link got out? I'm surprised it doesn't get out
 
user457812
Now it's 92 updates.
 
user457812
2:34 AM
Windows doesn't know what it's updating
 
user457812
I think the number might be randomly generated.
 
borrrden would you go if you were selected
 
"windowed metro apps"_
?
I wouldn't be selected because I didn't apply
 
why not
 
Going to SF is expensive and requires taking time off from work
 
2:36 AM
lol
ya it is
 
It costs a hell of a lot less for you :p
International flights are shamefully expensive
 
oh ya
ya i live a hour and a half from it soo cheap for that
but i had to take 2k out of my savings for this:[ probably gunna spend hella more
 
2k includes what?
 
$2000
 
I mean what did you spend it on?
 
2:39 AM
ticket, $1600 and then maybe hotel
 
user457812
Well, at least I got Firefox installed and can now use a browser on Windows without feeling like I'm dirty.
 
lol what do you mean "maybe" hotel?
So $400 for a ticket?
 
i will only eat twice a day, starbucks morning and then pizza at night probably. and my parents can get me a room for like $60/night for non-wed and then like $100-$130 for thursday and friday
 
If they have rooms that is
 
well i know places to stay there too so i can stay somewhere free
 
2:40 AM
Everything is probably already sold out close to the center
How many days?
 
if it is i know 2 people who live there and can stay there probably
else i will be a hobo
monday-friday.
 
So 5 days of eating out
 
I'm going to be there sunday but i don't need a room, but my parents are staying maybe for a few nights but on sunday don't people line up all night?
 
Unless you go out to fancy places, I imagine it will cost $45 a day at most
 
i won't, i don't each much 😆 only before 6, probably stick with some pizza... and a drink from starbucks in mornings
 
2:42 AM
So far that's $625 or less
Are you planning to buy over $1000 of other things?
If you really only eat that much it will be more like $500
 
what?
lol the ticket was $1600
so $400 left
 
Oh
Is that right?
 
yes
been that every year
 
I thought you meant ticket + 1600
 
if it was $500 i wouldnt care at all XD
lol i wish
 
2:44 AM
Yep, I'm never going to WWDC
 
hahah XD
 
What could possibly be worth $1600 there...
 
I'm probably only going this year and then wait 5-10 years
 
I went to GDC once
 
nothing, we are paying each of their paychecks
 
2:44 AM
That was $900, and that was bad enough
 
i think its funny.. I've been to facebook events for free. mark doesnt need to charge me for them to hangout. but apple, they be like we aren't in cupertino, give us money
 
Does anyone have any experience with dealing with temporary objects with core data?
 
What do you mean?
If they are temporary why do they need to be part of core data?
 
well my app basically fetches a number of products from a web service. I want to save a product to local storage when the user decides to view it. However I don't want to save every product that is fetched from the server.
At the moment I'm creating each product with Product *product = [[Product alloc]initWithEntity:entity insertIntoManagedObjectContext:nil];
 
user457812
Why isn't there a space between the ] and the 'init...' selector?
 
user457812
2:56 AM
What horrible, sadistic person does such a thing?
 
Lol ><
Well stop creating them that way then
 
Its all the same to the compiler :)
 
Anyone can write code that a compiler can understand
 
Anyway when I want to save I insert the product into the main NSManagedObjectContext with [context insertObject: product]; then save the context
 
So what's the problem?
 
2:59 AM
however when I fetch the products again my one to many relationship is gone
product.prices returns null
 
Did you insert the prices as well?
 
yes
 
Dunno what to tell you then, make a stack overflow question about it
And post all the relevant code
You might look into using child contexts though
I'm not sure exactly how you are deciding when to save data and all that though
Also if you insert the prices into the context before the product you won't be allowed to link to them
You can't create cross-context relationships
 
Oh man dealing with zend view rendering is painful
 
Basically when a user selects a product it shows a detail view then the product is saved
heres the code I call on product when I want to insert into context
 
user457812
3:13 AM
1 message moved to bin
 
Thanks for your help I'm looking through the solution from the link you posted
 
user457812
Good god I wish these updates would finish installing already
 
user457812
3:37 AM
SO CLOSE TO UPDATED
 
user457812
(cue windows update saying there was an error)
 
3:57 AM
does anyone know whether you can register two apps with one google api account? you should be able to right?
 
yes you can
 
Yes you can.
 
Telkitty must be Asian.
^_^
 
4:06 AM
I always thought she was Samoan.
 
Anyone who uses ~_~, ^_^, and ಠ_ಠ must be Asian.
 
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
( ‾ʖ̫‾)
 
MICHAEL MUST BE ASIAN
 
user457812
4:37 AM
Well, Windows 8.1 is actually downloading, so that's an improvement.
 
HAHAHA he is still stuck on Windows
 
user457812
Now I'm getting really pissed off at the lack of a command key and support for ^E/^A in textboxes on Windows.
 
the picture shows mac eat windows
 
I'm trying trying to encourage Nil.
since he has to use it.
then again, I'm not really certain that Apple is elevating the art of hardware.
 
4:44 AM
I don't care what you guys say, the new Mac Pro is gorgeous.
 
user457812
It's the cube, but with rounded corners.
 
The fan is revolutionary.
This is ridiculous. I can not play any Wikipedia videos in Safari.
 
user457812
5:14 AM
Win8.1 appears to be applying itself now
 
user457812
I'm not sure at what point it will decide to actually notify me of this
 
applying itself to what?
doing a "rm -rf ."?
 
user457812
That doesn't work on Windows.
 
user457812
Gotta use rmdir
 
user457812
5:18 AM
Seems powershell does not respect text scaling options
 
Winter is coming in Australia.
 
5:33 AM
Thank your parents for your names.
 
:] Michael what are some good (cheapish) places in SF to eat? any really good pizza?
I like R+D but its expensive:P
I don't think health book (if its real) will be announced at WWDC.. They will announce that app with the iWatch
 
5:49 AM
Ok finished Orange is the New Black
Now just need to wait for season 2 in June
 
hello evryone
 
hello NamoNamo
 
@MichaelDautermann @borrrden @MaxHasADHD
 
don't forget to ping everyone else too!
 
i want to implement for one app. in that app i want to host multiple events. right now our company host new app for each an every event, so now decided to make a single app for hosting multiple events. can u guide us
 
user457812
6:05 AM
Good job Windows 8.1 for only taking up 16gb of space.
 
@MichaelDautermann can u develope this kind of app.
 
user457812
Which I only consider an achievement in relation to its GALLERY MODE.
 
user457812
room mode changed to Gallery: anyone may enter, but only approved users can talk
 
user457812
@NamoNamo Hello, I see you have not bothered to observe the rules for this room. Observe them or leave.
 
yes, you should design an app that can host multiple events Namo^2
I have faith in you. You can do it!
 
6:07 AM
I have faith in you too NamoNamo!
Please show us once you finish.
 
I am anxiously awaiting results!
 
Yes sure once done i will show you.
 
Don't forget to ping everyone too!
 
user457812
Hm, why does he have write access. Let me fix this.
 
user457812
Windows 8.1 is so close to actually doing DPI scaling right
 
user457812
6:10 AM
So close and yet so damn far because apparently they forgot to adjust the size of the taskbar depending on DPI scaling.
 
user457812
So if you scale one screen, the taskbar is huge on the other screen even if windows are the right size.
 
Lol I've never tried it with two screens
 
nil, watch Love Live.
 
user457812
No. No, no, no.
 
user457812
It's like Microsoft knew something was wrong, had a good idea, and then just forgot the taskbar existed 'cause they hate the regular desktop more than anything else in the world.
 
user457812
6:13 AM
Swing and a miss, Microsoft, you big, dumb, giant babies.
 
But it's good.
 
I'm eager to see what NamoNamo does.
 
user457812
Actually, Windows also seems confused about whether it should display the context menu as big or small.
 
user457812
It's actually been alternating between the two DPI levels and I'm not really sure what's triggering it
 
user457812
6:16 AM
Also, it doesn't scale screen dimensions to match physical monitor size, so I'm stuck with a really tiny area where I can move my cursor between screens.
 
Are people still waiting for an iPad where you can plug keyboard and mouse and monitor into?
I think that dream is not going to happen for good reasons.
 
user457812
The Windows Mail app appears to be.. not working.
 
user457812
At all.
 
user457812
I am not entirely sure what I did to anger it
 
So let me ask you something I should've asked you 8 hours ago.
Why are you installing Windows?
 
user457812
6:27 AM
To install some games and check the status of MSVC
 
What is this game you are talking of.
 
user457812
I fully expect the latter to result in complete and utter disappointment or worse.
 
Btw Portal 2 is $5 everyone. I've been waiting for this moment but I haven't finished Tomb Raider.
 
user457812
There are people who still don't own Portal (or Left 4 Dead)?
 
There is one over here.
I have a rule that I wouldn't game new game unless I finish everything first.
But I have been breaking that rule lately.
And the other rule is that wait for at least 6 weeks before buying a new game except Pokemon.
(And Zelda and Mario)
This morning I took a photo with this guy.
 
user457812
6:32 AM
Windows now appears to be confused about whether it can have a metro app open on one screen and the desktop visible on another
 
Apparently he's famous.
 
user457812
So if I switch to the desktop on one it goes to the desktop on the other
 
Oh God I've been listening to Love Live on iTunes on repeat for an hour.
 
user457812
Yet more big-dumb-giant-babyism from Microsoft.
 
user457812
Ok, it apparently only has this problem if Firefox at any point gets moved onto the secondary screen
 
user457812
6:34 AM
If Firefox never leaves the primary screen, it has no problems.
 
user457812
store.steampowered.com/app/238010 <== Deus Ex: HR DC is now apparently Steamplay, by the way.
 
user457812
So, uh, I know what I'm installing once I get back on Mac OS.
 
I have a confession to make.
 
user457812
If it's to confess that you've never played Deus Ex: for shame.
 
user457812
Except Invisible War. You can say you've never played Invisible War and that's A-OK.
 
user457812
6:41 AM
Not a terrible game by any means, but it did not live up to the rather lofty expectations of a Deus Ex sequel
 
user457812
How weird is it that a movie about Titanfall is being sold on Steam, but not Titanfall itself?
 
Well to track back a bit, that wasn't the confession I was going to make.
 
I don't remember the original well
But I do own it. It fails to run anymore, if I remember correctly
 
I had a ramen for lunch and now my stomach isn't handling it well.
It's not a very good idea to ask for the hottest ramen in the restaurant every time we eat there.
 
I had an extremely painful experience with that once
And the worst part of it was I had to use a Japanese style toilet ><
In the store's defense, they did warn me before they let me order it
 
user457812
6:52 AM
You know what, I've changed my mind.
 
user457812
Windows is really far from getting DPI scaling right
 
user457812
What Windows 8.1 is improved DPI scaling at the cost of Windows being extremely, deeply confused about what the hell it's even doing
 
user457812
 
user457812
I offer you an example of Windows being really not quite sure what's going on.
 
@borrrden Oh god, my biggest nightmare is using this toilet.
 
user457812
6:55 AM
It knows there are windows and one of those windows seems to have its crap together but the desktop context menu seems to think it's on another screen and the Snipping tool apparently decided it doesn't follow the rules.
 
7:22 AM
@MaxHasADHD When you're there, go to "What's new in UIKit" and "Hidden Gems in Cocoa" and also "Update to the Objective-C Language". I enjoyed those very immensely in the past few years. I hope they'd do it again this year.
 
7:34 AM
I enjoy the last two
I dislike UIKit and UI in general
P.S. why would my hard drive randomly lose its label under OS X o,0?
It's turned into 1501501550
 
What label did it have before?
Anyway, home time.
Talk to you guys later.
 
Sam
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I had to expand the Stack Overflow profile to make sure it wasn't Jesus typing at us.
 
It was Macintosh HD
 
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calling from inside the machine
 
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