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2:06 AM
Morning
 
 
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4:37 AM
too bad :(
also soundcloud is only valued at $700 mil?
 
that seems pretty reasonable, valuations have gotten way out of control
 
Gm ALL :3
 
5:12 AM
@eski compare that to survey monkey valued at 2 billion lol
now that is just ridiculous
 
 
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7:47 AM
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@TimCastelijns @TristanWiley @cygery @McAdam331 Got today's part 2 ? I'm reaching some "memory full" error, lol
 
8:27 AM
@codeMagic It's a dupe of this one I think
Morngins all
 
\o
 
yay \o/ It's kfVsfOSbJY0 day!!!1111oneoneoneleven
 
damn
@PeeHaa *Morning
 
heya cold black o/
 
hey peeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaabecca black
lol seen that already
 
8:32 AM
Damnit I'm too slow
 
8:42 AM
PeeHaa I am still laughing my ass off to that question. I mean he states he has a Celeron CPU and uses the words "fairly quickly". Anything related to "fast" and Celeron should never be used in the same context.
 
:P
 
his 1.2 GB RAM is also another great spec detail
even back in 2011 this was just way too small
 
question is of 2009
 
2009 I had (and still have) a intel core duo and 4Gb ram - running linux gentoo - and emulator was fucking slow
 
I had pentium 4 with 608mb ram
and naturally emulator wont boot at all
 
8:54 AM
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2009... I got a gaming desktop at 2011. Still runs smooth without updating... i7 @ 3.6GHz, 16GB RAM
 
nice i7
 
same, 2011, i7 but 8GB. runs smooth too
no ULTRA settings though...
 
i7 in 2011 was quite rare in india
 
9:05 AM
well my graphics card is a gtx580. It is a bit outdated and way too noisy
next year I plan to upgrade it and maybe fix my cooling stuff and replace it with quiter versions
screaming at my wife while I play is not a real option
 
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@OcuS I've not started yet
 
Well, good luck :)
 
9:23 AM
@NickMcCurdy welcome to the room. Please make sure to read the rules: room-15.github.io
 
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9:40 AM
o/
 
short question: anyone here who got some experience with putting the backend part (the one that is actually talking with your server backend) in a separate module? I would like to hear some pro/cons you might have experienced
my basic idea is to separate backend api stuff from the main application
cM, you are here way too early..
 
I have a dedicated oauth module specific for my backend
 
I don't have it in a seperate module, but in a separate repository layer
 
and strictly separated by correct accessibility? Or everything just public
 
9:50 AM
It is publicly accessible, but only because I am the only developer, and I don't know a better way
 
our new product has a OAuth secured API (springboot MVC) and a Angular2JS frontend, both of which are separate projects/entities deployed in their own docker container. it's seems to work well, but that's all I know about this project.
 
i have a separate module for that warren
 
@OcuS s/witch/which
I assume :P
 
dunno what ya talkin'bout... :x
 
:)
 
9:56 AM
thanks ;)
 
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done with today's AoC, nice one
 
o/
 
10:12 AM
@OcuS want a hint?
 
spoiler alert
 
Any pro/cons for that module solution CF?
 
@cygery Nah, thanks. I'll find the solution by myself tonight
Who let @MehdiB. in ? -_-
 
yeah pro is totally encapsulate the dependency and separate the code base
 
yeah should have created a Gist for that..
 
10:17 AM
cons we cant use application class for singleton otherwise it will get messy
 
Shouldn't they throw an IllegalArgumentException, instead of returning a NPE?
 
mmmm, I guess both could be done
 
Tim regarding what?
 
medhi's snippet
why would you return an exception?
 
it's a mandatory processing
you can't return a int value on that (it's a backend code)
hahaha Tim, just noticed the return
should be throw :D
So the estimation was 2 days for doing this
 
10:24 AM
lol
 
lol
 
why do you add spaces between method name and arguments?
 
I can't read code without them
When there's no spaces it feels that its crowded in there :D
(It's just a personal thing)
 
Goooooooood Morning Everyone!!! :D
 
morning womp
 
10:34 AM
hey wompert
 
MehdiB. you are working alone?
 
anybody got an invite to spartahack already?
 
nope, why?
 
because you said it is a personal thing
 
I meant, the spaces are just a personal preference, not a best practice or anything like that :D
 
10:42 AM
I understand. But personal preference is not adequate if you are working in a team
You should all agree about using the same coding standards.
 
and enforce them by auto formatting!
 
yeah but not at this level of detail
 
and a git pre-commit hook :D
 
you should have a rule for that as well
we agreed on every single coding rule which is configurable in AS
you can even enforce it more when you use tools like checkstyle
and yes, those details count!
imagine how ugly the mix of no space, one space, two spaces would be and now you got a new colleague who even makes them on a new line!
you do not want to read that code
 
Yeah agreed
 
10:48 AM
MehdiB, We are reading code all day long -- so I am interested in all level of details
 
it's just that this very rule hurts my eyes when there is no space
 
it breaks my heart when I see spaces
 
it's an obsession that my mentor gave me .. :D
 
it is not about if there is a space or not, it is about having agreed on a rule within your team
what ever rule you have, you will learn to get used to stuff you personally do not like
same with m-notation
 
god I hate the m-notation
 
10:51 AM
there are pro/cons on that topic but what ever you do: do not mix them
 
I mean how is it even useful in 2016, where we have IDEs
 
I find them pretty good, but I also use s-notation
 
But I agree on the principle
 
it is for code reviews
where you see only parts of the code
 
also there are people that are this-ing all the time
 
10:52 AM
how so? code reviewers don't have access to all the code?
 
they have, but do you check out every PR and review it in your IDE?
don't you review the code mostly in a browser?
 
yes, but never bothered me, on the contrary it forces me to scroll through the code and understand better the context and logic
 
if you have to do that to understand the code, the commit is too big
(my opinion)
 
I really want to refactor my code and remove m-notation
the more I see it the more it annoys me
 
well, we do not review every single commit. We review complete features which might contain dozens of commits
 
10:59 AM
there are easy ways to do that since AS 2.1 I think
mark you can do refactoring based on templates
see this vid realm.io/news/… at 0:52
 
I know an architect on a project that enforced a limit to class fields on business logic classes
and enforced the use of a mini framework where almost everything was declared method-locally
 
Hello everyone
I am trying to send multipart request with form data using Retrofit 2.1 but getting 'java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: @Body parameters cannot be used with form or multi-part encoding.'
 
hi
thanks for sharing your error message with us
 
@TimCastelijns bookmarked, only in half day today, we're going out for Christmas dinner at 3 today
thanks for the link
 
sweet
 
11:07 AM
Gonna be a full day of drinking
RIP my wallet
 
with the family?
 
wow nice mark
 
na with work
Finish at 1, will be going into town for a drink, dinner is at 3, then will be out with work ones the rest of the night
 
dinner at 3, supper at 5? :D
 
I was about to ask, 3am or 3pm :D
 
11:10 AM
mark, here we usually get free drinks and food
company is paying everything
at the end of the year, that is
 
Tim can you tell me what can be the solution for the above mentioned error. My endpoints are like this
@Multipart
    @POST("ecom/services/user/update")
    Call<User> updateUserWithAttachment(@Part MultipartBody.Part file, @Body RequestBody updateUser);
 
have you googled the error?
 
please use gist or something similar and post the link of it here
 
haha well dinner is at 3, essentially it's a late lunch because the dinner times were fully booked for most places
the company i'm at is a startup so it can't afford to spend the money raised from our last round of funding to go towards a night out haha
when I was at SAP they paid for everything
free bar, free food
was great!
 
sweet
the company I'm at is super small, we never do anything
 
11:14 AM
man, those startups
 
The food is paid for, drinks we'll have to get ourselves, which is probably a good idea because Scottish people and Irish people like drink
 
yes I have Googled the exception I found solutions with multipart only and i need to send data too along with request
 
How small @TimCastelijns?
I was like the 13th employee or something
We have 19 now
 
tim is the owner and programmer
 
1 boss, 1 me, 1 part time student
 
11:15 AM
Woah
that IS small
 
boss manages stuff, doesn't program
 
he should, though
 
the company I'm at, is super huge, and we don't do anything :D
 
he can't
 
Why hasn't a web dev been hired to help out haha
 
11:16 AM
like, he should help you with server side python stuff, at least
 
you guys not raised any money?
 
he doesn't have the skill, he literally can't help
but he does other important stuff
raising money? :D what is that? :D
 
haha
the US startup ecosystem is different than the rest of the world
 
take the money and put it in the attic
 
Wait, @TimCastelijns are you not getting paid?
 
11:19 AM
I am lol
and the clients pay my boss
but what is this raising money you speak of?
 
Investment from VCs
 
Venture Capitalist
Investment funds
 
I've never heard of something like that
 
vulture capitalists
 
11:23 AM
that's in the US mostly
you build your product prototype or V0.1
you go pitch the idea etc... in front of investors
if they like it they inject money on your startup
 
we mainly build stuff for other companies
 
so if it's at the instant "t" evaluated at 500k$
the investors take let's say 20% of the company and inject 2M$
and the evaluation of your company becomes 8M$
etc...
that's why startups get excessively evaluated quickly
 
I don't think that's a thing in my country
you're on your own basically
 
yeah same in my country
 
you have to work on your personal projects while employed and once you're certain it's gonna succeed then you're on your own and focus on it full time
 
Is that not the same as everyone?
You can't work on your own project in the US unless you know it'll pay the bills
 
and it won't, because someone else already made it xD
 
The difference is After the release
the probability to get funding
in the US is high
(talking about IT mostly)
hahahahaha :D
 
@TimCastelijns true but social media websites were done before Facebook arrived
It's not about the idea, it's about the execution
 
11:29 AM
like the iPad... Microsoft had a tablet back in 2000
 
did you guys know that Slack worth 3B$ today ?
 
was ahead of time
probably because all the stored data they have collected
 
I've really grown to hate facebook over the past year or so. It becomes more shitty every time I open it
 
there is nothing more worth than data or micropayments...
 
I hate Facebook but it wont go away, it's captured everyone and it'll be hard for someone to steal the market
Bebo messed up and everyone flocked from it to Facebook
 
11:30 AM
Warren yeah they say "being too early is synonym to failing" or something like that
 
but Facebook is incorporated into WhatsApp, Messenger, Instagram
I use Facebook only for Messenger but it's still Facebook
 
I'm not looking for something else :) I don't care for social networks anymore. I just use it to chat now
 
I use WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook
I use Snapchat despite it being one of the worst apps I've used on Android, everyone else is on it. No point getting something which everyone else doesn't have.
 
I closed my FB account in 2013, never used it since
except for testing OAuth Modules on projects :D
 
Jan 24 '12 at 17:53, by WarrenFaith
<-- not using facebook
5 years later, still valid
 
11:33 AM
I use facebook to stalk people and to chat with some people. Otherwise it's just a big pile of crap
 
hahaha
I've seen however that France starts to have Funds for startups etc..
 
lol
 
anyway money is not the issue @Mark we haven't hired other devs because we never had enough projects going on to keep them busy, but we do now. So in the new year we will be expanding
 
Sounds cool Tim!
I thought you were considering joining a company in Amsterdam?
 
I will keep that to myself until it's certain
 
11:41 AM
nice
 
okay, nice one :)
 
exciting times coming up for me
 
boooooo amsterdam
 
Just come to a proper city
 
11:45 AM
like
 
Well my booooooo amsterdam remark should give you a hint :P
Just think about the natural enemy of amsterdam :D
 
Amsterdam seems really nice
never been but will go eventually
 
does that mean that you are close by? When I look outside my window I can see the PSV stadium..
 
When I look out of my window, with a pair of binoculars, I can see the Kuip :)
 
when I look out of my window I can see other windows :D
 
11:54 AM
windowception \o/
 
:D
 
I can't see shit because of the fog of war!
 
hahahaha! :D
 
You can see the PSV stadium?
holy shit I'd go watch them every week
they're a good team
I'm not close by but loads of people I know go to Amsterdam for emm recreational activities
They say the cafes are good
 
12:06 PM
I'm working on an App, where we were about to use Api.ai but we didn't when they got acquired by google a few months ago
 
nice
 
so it was about this
 
anybody knows how to text wrap in eclipse
 
Eclipse? Do you need a super nova?
 
its for AOC
 
12:09 PM
I would drop it like its hot
 
PSV is decent for netherland's standards, but pales in comparison to other european teams
 
Tim what are you using for AOC?
IntelliJ?
 
like the national team :)
 
Indeed
When it comes to european/world cups, I am a german
CF funny guy (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I use python
 
ha same here
 
12:14 PM
ohh oops i thought you must be using java
:/
 
no I hate java for short scripts
 
s/for short scripts/
 
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12:41 PM
anyone used the google query autocomplete api ?
(not the sdk, only the webservice)
I see on the docs that the Autocomplete Places API, shoudln't be used with a Map provider other than google maps
And I wonder if it's the same for the Autocomplete Query API (which seems to do almost the same than places)
 
1:38 PM
drops a needle
 
drops another needle
 
drops mic
 
eats drop
 
:P
 
:P
 
1:41 PM
do you know what this is CF?
 
2:17 PM
I see a dickbutt... oh no, sorry, just a cock. chuckles
 
Tim , liquor chocolates ?
 
not exactly
 
Holy fuck I am stupid... I have been debugging google maps to find out where the hell another "My location" icon is coming from
Turns out google maps also addds one automagically on exactly the same spot as my custom icon
 
2:50 PM
lol
 
I mean on exactly the same spot
wow much confuse amaze
 
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