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12:02 AM
well he argues some of the benefits but claims it is incomplete and can lead to some bad designs. I just liked that opening line
 
I'm working on it, bit by bit...
Normally I do reasonably well at that, but this time I drew a large architecture for my product first, and felt I had to implement enough of it to test. It's really not all that much, but...
I'll tell you what, given how hard it is to track down Spring errors, I'll probably never do that again...
 
you know I'm just giving you a hard time, right?
 
@Emmanuel did you see Dave's link?
 
Nope
reading
 
Another one
http://blog.iannelson.systems/12-reasons-why-i-love-unit-tests/
He doesn't even know me yet he criticizes my unique skill set.
> Maybe you're a Dave, and your unique knowledge of a particular system means that you only ever get to work on that one application. Shiny new projects come along, and get handed to your colleagues, because you're too busy supporting the Legacy App From Hell, until you quit to get that better paid job, or walk in front of a bus in desperation.
 
12:14 AM
You know that I've been giving myself a hard time, right?
I'm making good steady progress so far. I have an untested, but compiled server, and a start of a client. Now I just have to test the functionality of the server, bit by bit, and maybe it'll all work...
And I've only got about 5.5 weeks left to finish it.
 
good luck!
 
ok, I'm heading out. @ mention me your thoughts Emm
 
I will read it in more detail in a bit
 
no rush
 
Not to mention I've probably got a week or more of time that I need to devote to paperwork during that time...
 
12:15 AM
bye guys!
 
Later Carl.
 
see ya Carl
 
later carl
 
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See ya, Carl
Ha, I love that, Ahmad!
 
12:36 AM
Good day android programmers o/
 
Hi, Cjames
 
1:25 AM
To the top with you Ahmad
 
1:36 AM
:D
 
1:48 AM
Everything on that list from 2014 just sounds so meh
not really something that's creative
 
user457812
Google has not yet contacted me again about the open source thing
 
hmm...these plugins should get rid of those pesky "declared but not used" warnings
especially in Dagger because of it using reflection to use annotated types and such
 
I kind of like the AirPair idea
@Code-Apprentice That icon next to the line number is great. Installing :)
 
@Code-Apprentice This is awesome!
 
I don't use Otto yet, but I star almost every Square library that I think might be helpful in the near future.
 
2:11 AM
How did I miss those?!!
thanks for sharing man!
 
I'll most likely use Dagger before I use Otto
yah, never saw them linked here, so thought I'd pass it along ;-)
feel free to star them up!
Phrase looks interesting, too.
 
I just went on a Square-lib-starring spree!
 
You gotta catch them all!
 
I went through their list of github repos to see if there was any libraries I don't know about.
 
You know about this right?
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2:22 AM
part of the reason is that someone from square answered one of my old questions about testing. He linked a new library for parameterizing Android tests: github.com/square/burst
@nana nope
 
I never heard about Burst, and they don't mention it on the site I linked to.
 
looking at the commit history, the first one was authored on Aug 7 and committed on Sep 8. So less than 3 months old.
 
I really REALLY love crashlytics. If you don't use it do yourself a favor and start, you will thank me later.
 
@emmanuel you really didn't know these? Pff and you call yourself a Square-enthusiast.
 
I am disappointed you haven't shared them...
I thought more of you Ahmad...
 
2:32 AM
imagine me shaking my head
I did!
I did share them
 
the plugins?
 
@nana I need to add it to my app. I recently learned that my app is crashing a lot more than I thought
 
here he goes to the chat history
 
probably one of the main reasons people unstall my app ;-(
 
You do need to do that. But it's not just for crashes anymore. It's usage and beta deployments, it's really cool.
And free.
 
2:33 AM
Actually, I am such an enthusiast that my teach lead, that worked at Square, gave me a Square t-shirt yesterday... I am currently wearing such shirt...
 
Jul 7 at 15:29, by Ahmad
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Cool merch, I should get myself some nerdy merch.
 
In reality, you cannot call yourself a Square enthusiast until you comprehend how Mortar and Flow work...
@Ahmad I was on vacation...
 
oh lord, I'm not ready for that task
okay you might be excused
 
You might get some Square cred if you are able to use Mortar and Flow... lol
 
2:35 AM
Yeah... I am not worthy.
I did look at it couple weeks ago and gave up.
 
those are the only libs that I might say that might make things more difficult
 
I'm pretty sure nobody except Square uses Mortar and Flow
 
I read the README.md about 5 times already
 
I saw a push online
 
I've read the bog post 3 times
 
2:37 AM
It is starting to make sense just purely due to brute force
 
Remember the Fragment Hate day? That was caused by Flow and Mortar.
 
still no idea really
It starts out simple
and towards the end it's just a clusterfuck.
 
right, and then it feels like it was a lib that Square made so they can feel smart and special
 
LOL I remember fu
 
What I don't get is how come it's Square that is so awesome?
 
2:38 AM
One name
Jake Wharton
 
well...
 
Okay and maybe Jesse Wilson
 
Jake, Jesse, Bob Lee
Bob Lee created Guice and the JSR 330 standard
 
Imagine we would all get to work with people like that, we could be really helpful to the community too.
After couple years :)
 
haha :D
 
2:39 AM
I wish I could have 1hr out of any of those guys' week
 
When I grow up I want to be Jake Wharton :D
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Me too
lol
 
How come he doesn't hang out here? The best place on the intertube.
 
I wish he did...
we should lure him into this dark place...
 
He's in the #android-dev IRC channel sometimes
 
2:41 AM
We need more lollipops.
 
he should come over here, seriously
 
and a van that goes around to give out candies
 
LOL
 
yeah, that'd be awesome
 
how can we manage to do that...?
 
2:41 AM
IF he came here he would be like a demi-god. We would all listen to what he has to say and be really nice to him.
And Nil wouldn't be allowed to talk :)
 
we need to send out emails. "Room 15 has invited you to chat. You may loose all your productivity."
He'd go trough the chat history and realise that we're like his official fan club
and groupies
The #android-dev channel is dead. More people should check out room15.
Too bad nobody knows about stack overflow chat
 
ActionBar changed to Material design, check! =)
Or I mean, Toolbar
 
@nana How does it compare with Google Analytics?
 
yeah...we can conclude he doesn't chat much...
 
lol
invite him in here
why does it only say 3.7k?
 
2:46 AM
I do not have that option
that is meta rep
it threw me off as well
 
ah I see
 
I do not want to just start a room with him
that would be too intimate...my groupie self might get naughty...
 
@Code-Apprentice I don't currently have access to GA on Android so I can't compare. I am sure GA is better, but the good thing about Crashlytics is that once you have it in your project, adding monitoring and such is really easy.
 
Crashlytics is pretty high on my to-do list for my app.
 
DOITNAO
 
2:49 AM
It will definitely be in my next release =p
 
classic
 
3:16 AM
Anyone here ever used Aviary?
 
my new code base has it...
haven't seen how it works yet
 
Did you get it setup using gradle?
I've been running into all sorts of issues
Wondering if it's possible :P
 
@nana How does Crashlytics differentiate between the crashes I cause during development and the ones caused by my users?
 
You have different versions, right?
So you can filter by version and ... let me see, maybe by device too.
 
what do you mean by "different versions"?
do you mean the debug build vs release build?
 
3:28 AM
 
I like dthe new AVD manager in AS.
 
You choose which version of the app you'Re interested in, say 1.1.25
I am missing some translations in my strings, is there an easy way to update the incomplete translation with the string s from english xml?
 
@Dehli compile 'com.aviary.android.feather.sdk:aviary-sdk:3.4.3.350'
 
Yeah, for some reason when I do that I get: Error:Failed to find: com.aviary.android.feather.sdk:aviary-sdk:3.4.3.350
 
do you have mavenCentral() specified?
 
3:34 AM
How would I do that?
repositories {
    mavenCentral()
    maven {
        name 'maven.aviary.com'
        url uri("http://maven.aviary.com/repo/release")
    }
}
I have that
 
@nana Use the string resource editor in the latest version of AS. It combines all translations in a single view.
 
yeah, that is what I have
 
@Code-Apprentice Is that a plugin?
 
@Emmanuel Would you mind looking over my gradle file? I feel bad doing this, but I've been stuck on it for a few hours.
 
@nana nope. It's one of the more-recently-added features of AS.
 
3:39 AM
Where yould I find it?
 
@Dehli you are adding it to the buildscript{}
 
Maybe?
 
wow...AS 0.8.13 completly bogs down my machine
 
I haven't been using gradle for more than a day
 
3:42 AM
too many lines of code for chat
 
Wow! That is neat, thanks!
 
But where does that go?
I currently have it in buildscript
 
you should add that inside your the inner most build.gradle
 
^ the root
 
3:44 AM
put it below android{}
 
But the build.gradle I have is the only one my project has
oh, okay
 
Also, if I may add, maybe you could use either ' or " not both. Not an error, just for consistency.
 
What do you mean?
And thanks a lot @Emmanuel for the help you have been :)
 
does it work now?
 
I am going to test it
but I lost the error message!
 
3:47 AM
compile "com.android.support:support-v4:21.0.+" vs compile 'com.aviary.android.feather.sdk:aviary-sdk:3.4.3.350'
 
@Dehli Are you using Android Studio?
 
ohh, yeah. That was just from copy and pasting
I don't normally mix my single and double quotes
and Yes I am @Code-Apprentice
Thanks @nana
 
no worries, I am an ass about consistency :)
 
Your project should have at least two build.gradle files: one in the root directory of the project and one in the module of your app
 
Is the module inside of the src folder?
I'm a beginner at Android development
 
3:49 AM
no, the module contains src
 
I thought the root contained src
 
Yo @Cjames you going to that Meetup?
 
the module is where all your codebase resides
 
@LawGimenez probably law do you wanna go to?
 
Im not into meetups, Id rather open my book and code on my own.
 
3:52 AM
Also @Emmanuel, I believe there is a newer version of Aviary (.351)
 
no idea
 
Em, what are they using the Aviary SDK for? I thought it was a messaging app.
 
@Dehli At the top of the Project view, does it say a "Project" or "Android"?
 
Project
Okay, So I was in the module
:)
 
3:54 AM
Is Gradle a bit like CocoaPods?
 
the use case is dumb IMO
just to format your user pic
I am going to propose we remove it
 
To resize it and such?
 
never used CocoaPods, so don't know
 
It's a dependency manager for iOS
 
gradle does more than just dependency management. It's a complete build tool.
 
3:56 AM
yeah
I think there is no actual benefit for us
 
Oh, wow
 
hmm....it takes 5 mins to build my app...wtf?
 
thanks again for the help :)
 
Didn't you have this issue two days ago Code?
 
no wasn't me
this is the first time I've used AS for over a week
first time I've tried to build my app in like months
 
4:03 AM
do you have the gradle daemon turned on?
 
no
need to do that...
I think there are other issues, though. My whole system was getting bogged down. I restarted to see if that might help.
and had some I/O errors on my SSD during the reboot ;-(
okay that build took 45 seconds. Much better
can probably improve on that by turning on the gradle daemon.
 
htop
oops :)
 
4:24 AM
Random interruption of excitement: I have finally played with Swift. I want everything to be Swift. That is all.
 
Swift is great!
It's a lot like Scala
 
hmm...I can't get Crashlytics to verify that my app is set up and running...
oh weird...it's listed, even though the "waiting" thing never stopped flashing
 
The integration is slightly strange, but once it's done, it's ok. I think they went with little too much chrome.
 
4:43 AM
wtf is Kotlin?
hmm...yet another JVM language
 
user457812
5:01 AM
Kotlin is like safe-Java.
 
user457812
Whereas Java will just assume that you've got bullets in the gun before shooting yourself in the foot, Kotlin will kindly require you to check if you have bullets.
 
now I need to figure out what other features I want to get ready for my next update...or if I should just release the same feature set with only Crashlytics tracking added
> #Contains API Secret used to validate your application. Commit to internal source control; avoid making secret public.
 
user457812
Hence why q = getSomethingThatMightBeNull(); q.foo() in Kotlin is an error, but q = getSomethingThatMightBeNull(); if (q == null) { return; } q.foo() is not.
 
But my project is Open Source! I don't have "internal source control"
 
5:27 AM
How long does it take a crash to show up in my Crashlytics Dashboard?
 
Seconds.
 
Hmm...I threw a RuntimeException to force a crash, but I don't see it in the Dashboard.
mkay, takes a few more seconds than that...but I see it now
 
Anyone here uses Dagger?
 
not yet ;-(
 
Aren't you using it?
 
5:44 AM
yes, but I had a question...
 
hmm...now I need to figure out how to get Crashlytics to play nice with build flavors
 
 
2 hours later…
user457812
7:21 AM
 
user457812
Fine work, Google. Fine work.
 
New Gmail looks good, is the leak true?
 
user457812
Google+ has apparently decided it does not want to exist for me right now.
 
yo 0/
 
user457812
Anyone else experiencing error 500 on Google+ or is it just me?
 
7:26 AM
Contacts not accessd?
 
user457812
What?
 
It's also 500 on my end
 
user457812
So this is what it looks like when Google points a loaded shotgun at their feet and doesn't think twice.
 
Their polls feature is quite nice.
 
user457812
Yes, it is quite nice, what with the whole not existing right now thing
 
7:31 AM
XD hahaha "Thats all we know"
 
Maybe some intern pushes a broken code
 
user457812
This is doing a lot of good since it's actually fucking youtube accounts too (Google+ dictates which users can manage youtube accounts, and since Google+ is currently choking on its own saliva, it's impossible to determine who's a manager for a youtube account).
 
user457812
「う~ん、いい香り♡」→ http://t.co/70ThD9KKVE
 
user457812
In lieu of anything working as intended, have a squirrel
 
7:36 AM
You understand Japanese, nil ?
 
user457812
No.
 
google short url is down also
 
user457812
The question to ask now is, exactly how much of Google is down?
 
user457812
Contacts is down.
 
user457812
Hangouts, being part of Google+, is dead.
 
7:38 AM
@nil Gmail is temporarily unable to access your Contacts. You may experience issues while this persists. Learn more
this?
 
user457812
There's a whole lot more than that that's broken right now.
 
user457812
Visited Google+?
 
user457812
Like I've been mentioning?
 
They're releasing something big
 
user457812
Google took a double barrel shotgun to both feet.
 
7:39 AM
You mean BIG ?
 
LOL
 
user457812
Greater chance that maintenance went severely wrong and it's not a release.
 
user457812
A release doesn't take down Google+.
 
yea u r right
error 500
 
user457812
Whatever, going to sleep now that I know why the YouTube app on iOS is now more broken than it already was.
 
user457812
7:41 AM
Which, by the way, if you have an iPad, install the YouTube app and use it in landscape mode (hint: it's broken).
 
@nil cya, night!
 
bye
\0
 
o/
@TheLittleNaruto you doubt him ? :p
 
7:58 AM
Morning \o
 
o/
yo Abdellah
 
\o Morning all
oy TGM
 
plus is now up
 
gmail said that he can't load my contacts
 
same
reload gmail
 
8:09 AM
(y)
 
#same for me also
#blame-google
 
(y)
 
8:33 AM
@TGMCians of course not! xD
 
hehe
you passed a audit
 
\o
 
0/
 
\o
 
8:46 AM
@Ahmad Can I have RSS Feed link of C&H ? Pleassse. ^^
 
U are not planning to do it in village, right?
 
Ofcourse, That's what I planned xD
 
Now village will be filled up with all my fav comics feeds xD
 
baka
 
9:34 AM
hello all!
 
9:47 AM
Hey Ed
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Q: Unmarshalling unknown type code

TheLittleNarutoSo, I am getting Unmarshalling unknown type code exception. I checked out almost all post on SO and dint find anything relevant. I did nothing unusual, just made a model class which is : TripEntity.java public class TripEntity implements Serializable, Parcelable { @SerializedName("trip_id"...

 
9:58 AM
Yaay WebFragment display poor quality of a virtual visit
 
10:30 AM
 
10:42 AM
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Q: How to view the source code package under android.res

belle tianAll garbled ,I want to see is how to write code in images and animations

 
11:20 AM
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TouregsysMainActivity: public class MainActivity extends ListActivity { private ProgressDialog pDialog; private static String url = "http://192.168.1.5:3030/api/db/Control"; JSONArray slides = null; ArrayList<HashMap<String, String>> slideList; private static final String TAG_SCAN = "...

look at the comment
 
I loled xD It's removed now
 
was about to upvote the gibberish comment
 
:/
 
Any Idea ?
1 hour ago, by Abdellah
Yaay WebFragment display poor quality of a virtual visit
 
what is a virtual visit?
 
11:25 AM
Office tour
But when I use the browser there are no problem
 
morning o/
 
o/
 
\o
 
11:45 AM
I just made a custom ArrayAdapter (for a ListView) for my Fragment. The List loads very fast, but the scrolling is not smooth
It stutters
 
Are you using the ViewHolder pattern?
 
Yes, I'm pretty sure I do
Wanna take a look at my code?
 
It would be nice that you post a question on SO
accordingly to the room's rules
 
Okay, I will!
 
who is using the support library at rev 21?
 
11:50 AM
I do
 
did you try SwipeRefreshLayout?
 
I will, the next time I do a build...
 
Nope
 
Not I either...
With the things I use, I could probably be on v17 of the support library, or earlier...
 
bb I tried that yesterday. does not work on empty lists, apparently
 
11:52 AM
neither the old one worked on empty list
 
it did to me
 
which revision ?
 
20
 
it is not possible. I am on 20, and it does not work on empty list
 
it works to me
o.O
I am swiping right now
 
11:54 AM
are you sure you are on 20?
 
yes
 
I dunno
my trick was to wrap the emptyview around a scrollview
and the scrollview in the swipe widget
 
what do you have on your list's scrollListener method ` onScroll`?
 
nothing, I didnt override it
 
inside my swipe layout I have a frame layout that contains both the list view and the empty textview
 
11:58 AM
ok, then you are using the same trick, more or less
 
you're gonna need this to be able to scroll your list without refreshing: cl.ly/text/1R442Z1t2w3v/mListViewsetOnScrollListenerne.txt
 

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