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12:09 AM
@PeeHaa I've seen that bug hiding in the shadow.
 
@hakre I was going mad, because the bug just could never happen. Turned out it was a url rewrite that was the culprit :(
 
@PeeHaa Ha, there it moved in the shadow, that filthy URL rewrite. :)
 
:P
@metal_fan Cake is the biggest piece of shit I have ever encountered in the framework world.
Whatever it does, do the exact opposite just to be sure
Hiya @JaredFarrish. Long time
Aaaaaaand it's gone :P
 
I actually never got in contact with cake. I mean those things can happen, but gladly never for me.
@MadaraUchiha: Flagging posts - did you mean chat posts? ref
 
12:21 AM
It's not that I ever had the "pleasure" to really work with it. But sometimes one must be brave and just have to look at what really is going on in there :(
 
^ I left a funny answer anyway ;)
 
@hakre stop stealing karma!!!!11
 
@igorw Karma stealing? Isn't that non-working by definition? Wouldn't stealing karma result in the loss of karma automatically? ;)
 
or whatever those fake internet points are called around here :D
 
Thats Reputationz :) Help me and I will reputationize you!
 
12:31 AM
forgive my reddit terminology
 
@igorw If you want to use the internets you have to follow the rules of the karmanology. Otherwise you will not gainz no reputationz. :)
This calls for more alc.
 
@hakre maybe I will gain some karmaz instead
 
@igorw oh, like this here? youtube.com/watch?v=3ivAFzeNs_s ^^
 
user1125394
12:47 AM
@igorw react servers has a connection opened to each client right? in udp or tcp
 
Anonymous
hmm....
 
@hakre whoa, that's hardcore
@cyril react is mainly just the event loop and a streams abstraction on top of that. if you create a socket server it is a very thin layer on top of stream_socket_server which gives you an evented interface. since stream_socket_server supports both udp and tcp, and can have many connections open at the same time, this is also possible with react.
 
user1125394
what do you think of having a simple socket server that handles connections with clients, and use redis to pass events between your web framework and this server
 
user1125394
redis pubsub stuff
 
1:02 AM
@cyril redis pub/sub is a valid way of doing that communication, and is one of the ways that are currently supported by react (as in: have a library that integrates with the react event loop).
 
@Charles Please review the new answers on stackoverflow.com/questions/1084062/… - just leave some comments, or let me know into which direction I should drive this. I have the feeling the new answers are a bit weak in the sense what you're looking for.
 
I'm going to edit the OP later on to generalize the question. The answers are all way too Apache-specific.
 
Hey all
 
G'evenin'
 
Question.. how can I access another model's function without getting an error saying "Fatal error: Call to undefined method"? (MVC)

Normally I only need to get functions from the controllers own model but now I need another and it won't for some reason that doesn't make sense to me.
 
Ahahaha X_X
Plzzzzzzz solv my problem.geeezzz.. — user1932019 9 hours ago
@BrendonMcBain What framework? Example code, please?
 
user1125394
@igorw more or less just github.com/reactphp/react/blob/master/examples/tcp-chat.php where I plug redis php client
 
Just using MVC basic framework. I am calling function with .. $this->view->display = $this->Model->displayInfo(); and all the views extend the Model.php lib, then I echo the variable display in my view html.
But getting issue with using another controllers model.
 
user1125394
hehe @tereško would answer you
 
1:13 AM
:P
 
user1125394
he likes views extending models
 
@BrendonMcBain Well, call to undefined method is pretty clear. You're invoking the wrong object, or something.
 
All models extend Model* my bad lol
@Charles It's the same as function in a different model but still in the same Model object as it extends from it. I don't understand why it's turned into a problem?
 
user1125394
we all extend molecules
 
@BrendonMcBain Try a method_exists call on the object. And maybe a get_class. Maybe the thing you think it is, it isn't.
 
Never used method_exists before, is it written like this? var_dump(method_exists('libs/Model.php', 'displayInfo()'));
 
@BrendonMcBain Dude, I linked you the manual page. I don't say this often, but go RTFM. Seriously man. Effort. Effort.
 
I read it, how can I put in an object method I'm trying to find lol
 
There are two examples on the manual page that demonstrate the two possible ways to see if a class or instance has a method with a specific name.
I am not going to spoonfeed you.
 
1:39 AM
@cyril that should work just fine. I'm guessing you want an external process to send a message to the connected TCP users.
@cyril btw, we do not extend molecules. we are composed of them.
 
@BrendonMcBain am I the only one whos curious why do you actually want to check if certain object does have the method youre looking for?
 
@KamilTomšík Read..
 
@BrendonMcBain sorry, I still dont see the scenario its behind
 
@KamilTomšík there are valid use cases for duck typing, but I agree that it can be a smell
 
@KamilTomšík Basically, I need to access all of my model functions from my views
 
1:42 AM
@KamilTomšík ok, you win
 
@BrendonMcBain so your model is not accessible from view?
 
The only model that can be accessed is its own view model, but I need to access other views models
 
@igorw I'd love to see any problem with duck-typing, really :)
@BrendonMcBain view model?
 
user1125394
@igorw ofc, was making fun of people extending everthing, yes want to have a very basic (and hopefully robust) server to send notifications like pubsubhubbub, server-sent server or websocket don't know, the one that crash the less
 
@KamilTomšík controller model that a view uses.. mvc
 
1:46 AM
@Charles yes, looks like all are looking for the "easy route" (SAPI wise). Was my impression as well. Otherwise if not Mod Rewrite realted, the OP should make this more clear.
 
@BrendonMcBain if youre referring to MVC then theres only one model (at one time)
@BrendonMcBain and that model is usually your domain object
 
@KamilTomšík How could I go about using another model's function or putting that function somewhere that both models can access the ONE function.
?
 
@BrendonMcBain if your models are domain objects, you can inject the shared dependency (IoC) and if not then I'm still not sure what youre trying to achieve (in the terms of real example)
 
btw, to whom it may concern, not realy PHP but Mysql related:
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Q: Randomize Primary Keys Based on Existing Values

hakreI have got an older database for which (at some really questionable and obscure reason I do not like to put too much on topic here) I want to randomize or shuffle the primary keys. I right now have auto-increment fields in the Mysql database tables. I have not many relations, those that exist a...

 
@cyril react is definitely not there yet in terms of robustness if that really matters and will have very high load. that said, the ratchet websocket chat has been running for a few months without issues and one guy had 1K concurrent websocket clients where the process did go to 100% CPU but did not crash (and may have been configured badly, the CPU thing might be fixable by better config).
if you want robust, use erlang :D
in other words: most of the parts for what you want to do exist, but I am sure there are some obscure edge cases that will eventually blow up. if you're willing to deal with that, go ahead. I will gladly help you. but be aware that things may go wrong, and you may have to fix them. :)
 
user1125394
2:06 AM
k, thx , yep erlang and clojure are interesting
 
user1125394
clojure syntax (lisp) is ..not friendly
 
@cyril lisp syntax is easy, you just shift the brace and add commas:
(foo bar baz) => foo(bar, baz)
erlang/prolog, on the other hand...
 
user1125394
2:25 AM
user=> (map (fn [x] (.toUpperCase x)) (.split "Dasher Dancer Prancer" " "))
("DASHER" "DANCER" "PRANCER")
 
2:36 AM
Don't click anywhere in this fiddle: jsfiddle.net/w2fhj/show
 
2:48 AM
Before I reinvent the wheel, I'd like to describe an idea and have you knowledgeable humans tell me if this particular wheel exists: Programmatic pattern identification using a provided set of mathematical operations. Essentially: if(varsetmatch($operation, $testset)) { $results[] = call_user_func_array($operation, $testset); } foreach($results as $result) { if(withinrange($range, $result)) { $matches[] = $result; }
 
is it wise to have a class be my "controller" for all my objects? is this is a standard method/system?
 
@mecu probably not unless you're making a wrapper
 
what's a wrapper?
 
All your object should have their own controllers
 
right now, I just have an array that has all my objects, I was trying to eliminate duplication of creation of objects from within other objects.
 
2:54 AM
A wrapper is something that incorporates one code base into another
Huh?
 
Adapter is what you're looking for
 
Adapter/wrapper, to-may-to/more-accurate-description-with-supporting-link
 
I don't think that's what I want. I was told before I want a factory method, but I'm having trouble understanding it. I'm trying to be able to eliminate creating duplicate objects within subclasses. If I already have the object of a certain value created, it should just point to that. Instead of passing arround half-dozen arrays of objects to test, I thought one "meta" class that could be the base for all classes to start from would work.
 
@dyelawn "wrapper" is kind of ambiguous, does not communicate the intent and is way overused in bad ways. an example commonly seen on StackOverflow "database wrapper"
 
Hey guys... having some real challenges just getting a simple fetch_assoc to work... learning php from scratch and the mysql_connect is just so damn easy... PDO is tough! Here is my post - please let me know if you can help! stackoverflow.com/q/14063932/1788087
 
3:00 AM
What are your objects? Context would help
 
There error I am having has to do with these two lines:

$dsn = "mysql:host=$dbhost;dbname=$dbname";
$dbh = new PDO($dsn, $dbuser, $dbpass);
@dyelawn The only object I have created is what I put above
 
what error are you seeing?
 
"Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'PDOException' with message 'SQLSTATE[28000] [1045] Access denied for user 'y'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' in /home/theaudit/public_html/_sandbox/index.php:13 Stack trace: #0 /home/theaudit/public_html/_sandbox/index.php(13): PDO->__construct('mysql:host=loca...', 'y', 'z') #1 {main} thrown in /home/theaudit/public_html/_sandbox/index.php on line 13"
 
teams, conferences (which teams are a part of), games (which has 2 teams), stadiums (which are sometimes part of games), coaches (which are sometimes part of teams). Right now, I just have, for my teams, $teamarray[$teamid] = new object;... before I set a new one, I see: if (!isset($teamarray[$teamid]) $teamarray[$teamid] = new object;
 
Well, it's because your credentials are incorrect
 
3:02 AM
@ircmaxell what credentials might those be?
 
the ones you're passing to the constructor. In this case, y and z
the database username and password
 
@ircmaxell have you seen anything like what I'm talking about? Here are some advanced math operations -> here are some data sets -> do they data sets match format of operations? -> if so, find best one(s)
 
those are just placemarks.. I'm using other data there...the correct ones.
 
@BenJones Well, that's the point. They are not correct (mysql is saying you don't have access with those credentials)
 
@BenJones not according to your mysql server: "Access denied for user 'y'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'"
 
3:04 AM
@benjones I was not asking about your objects; your question is worthless
 
@dyelawn you can use set operations for that. array_map, array_filter, array_reduce, etc...
 
@ircmaxell Thank you! stupid mistake. I had replaced them with x,y,z for question on here and forgot to switch them back. Thanks!
@dyelawn OK thanks
 
@BenJones Any time. Next time, in the question, be sure to detail the error you're getting, especially in this case...
 
Maybe it would be more accurate to say that I'm looking for a library of mathematical functions that tests for format of data and accuracy of prediction.
 
uhhhh
 
3:10 AM
Maybe it would be less accurate to say that
Consider: I have a set of data which contains fifty objects which each has three arbitrary numerical values. I am trying to spot a pattern between them. One potential pattern would be a linear relationship between two variables. Another would be a Pythagorean triplet structure between all three. I want to find which is more accurate
But instead of using only numerical values, I want to determine if the data is fit for another operation; say, a Riemann sum
 
@dyelawn I think your attitude is not one that fosters a healthy learning environment. In my opinion, you should respect people and their questions -- there is no such thing as a worthless question.
@dyelawn just keep in classy ;)
 
@benjones sure there is, I'm probably asking one right now
But you should copy and paste your error codes in a google search box before you ask questions
Or, if you're feeling super crazy, consider momentarily the words included in the error message, and why the author of the code may have included em
 
3:33 AM
prototype.php.net is getting ready for release in the next few months. Message me with feedback.
And @tereško, I know it's going to drive you nuts.
 
My feedback: the link is no working
 
Somebody center-aligned the documentation.
@dyelawn Is now.
 
Hello, I'd like to know your opinion about how strictly uniform the code should be. I am recently working on small size project with a friend and he keeps using php4 syntax everywhere, avoiding any other structure other than very basic plain class, using old mysql driver....
 
Thanks
 
3:36 AM
@enrey Small projects benefit the least from strict standards, but I'd definitely ditch PHP 4 support.
 
I, on the other hand, am always trying to do singletons where possible, using SPL...
 
@enrey I'd also recommend against singletons.
Hit me with any other questions you've got; I'm in a good mood.
 
but he's not gonna change his stuff, because all his co-workers are doing same thing...
what's wrong with singletons?
 
@levimorrison could you help disabuse me of my crazy notions mentioned above? Because I think it's about as 42 as it gets
 
117
A: Who needs singletons?

GordonSingletons have very little - if not to say no - use in PHP. In languages where objects live in shared memory, Singletons can be used to keep memory usage low. Instead of creating two objects, you reference an existing instance from the globally shared application memory. In PHP there is no such...

 
3:38 AM
@LeviMorrison One small suggestion. Bump the font-size of the code blocks slightly. I bumped it to 1em, and it looked nice (dropping padding slightly as well)
 
ah, well I use it for caching data from sql mainly
 
@ircmaxell Once upon a time I had the fonts nice and large. It looks like people have been tampering again :(
 
Yeah, I like the overall flow, but the code-blocks are just slightly obscure...
 
I'm on a tablet and the text input for the search block is overlapping the border underneath the header
 
This page seems a bit off as well: prototype.php.net/manual/en/function.nl2br.php (just an example). The prototype is HUGE, and the code blocks are tiny...
Off to bed, good night!
 
3:42 AM
I agree. And the fixed sidebar is a little distracting
 
so anyway, what would you do? Rewrite everything into php5 or just not bother and keep the code schizo-php4-php5 ?
 
Oh, but awesome work, I like it a lot better than where it was a few months ago! Keep it up @LeviMorrison
 
or adapt and write everything in php4?
 
@nile I don't have fixed sidebar, where is that?
 
On the page @ircmaxell linked to. I'm not sure of its compatibility on mobile devices though.
 
3:45 AM
I now have fixed sidebar without reloading page, only switching from portrait to landscape. Php = skynet
On a serious note, gutters are way too small
 
@ircmaxell Hasn't been me, lately. Several people have been committing. I'm going to do some touch-up this week though.
 
I like the "Start Here" approach, but would also be nice to have documentation accessible via UInteraction from the front page and/or drop down.
 
I'm trying to kill the drop down.
I hate it.
And I have UX reasons I can cite if needs be.
 
I like drop down in certain settings; there may even be a productive implementation for reference materials and technical writing, but I've yet to see it
 
@LeviMorrison it's cool, I like it, howewer it miss-selects when my mouse is in its way
 
3:52 AM
@dyelawn The search is optimized for documentation searching as it is.
 
@LeviMorrison are you in charge of the redesign?
 
@igorw No but I have commit access.
There isn't anybody in charge of it.
I'm about as official as it gets.
 
@LeviMorrison should be made more responsive / small viewport friendly
 
@levimorrison it may be optimized for documentation, but sometimes the less-prepared could use a push in the right direction
 
3:55 AM
overall reaction: making php.net pretty, are you INSANE?
love the search completion
code samples should have scroll overflow
 
without a learn by doing, oh, lookee here, I copied and pasted some code tutorial button. But yes, search completion is nice
 
@SoulEnrapturer hello
 
@Nile hows you?
 
@SoulEnrapturer good, you?
 
3:58 AM
@LeviMorrison please get rid of the javascript scroll effect and just use normal anchors
 
@igorw where is this effect?
 
@Nile quick toc on the right hand side
 
@all Could somebody recommend me a nice book for learning object oriented PHP-I have learned structured PHP and now I want to switch to PHP 5.Any advice?
 
@SoulEnrapturer Power PHP
 
@Nile i'm sick but keen to learn thats y here
 
4:00 AM
@igorw I hope to remove that thing. I was in the progress of doing so when I got busy.
 
@LeviMorrison glad to hear
 
For the reference, it's a CSS position:fixed style, not JavaScript.
 
@Nile Who's the writer?
author
 
@LeviMorrison I'm referring to the effect when you click on one of the quick toc links
 
4:01 AM
@SoulEnrapturer I didn't suggest it. It was @shiplu.mokadd.im
 
@LeviMorrison the whole page scrolls slowly with javascript, instead of just jumping to the anchor directly
 
@igorw Oh that part of it. I see.
 
@ Nile sorry I didn't see the name
 
@Nile @SoulEnrapturer PHP 5 Power Programming. Andi Gutmans
 
why are you pinging me?
 
4:02 AM
@shiplu.mokadd.im thanks
 
@LeviMorrison but the general fixed-ness of the menu is also an issue. when your viewport is not wide enough, it hovers over the content. there should at least be a way to collapse it.
 
@Nile I thought you somehow got into the book conversation
 
Php is built on C??? ...huh
 
@LeviMorrison I hope I'm not being too harsh on the feedback, just trying to be helpful ;-)
 
hai all
 
4:03 AM
@LeviMorrison overall I'm very impressed
 
@dyelawn Yes. JS, Python, Ruby too
 
@shiplu.mokadd.im Y not on java ?huh
 
@igorw The main things I hope to do with it are in this order: make it full-screen, remove the quick TOC, and kill the dropdown menu.
 
sounds good
 
user50049
Almost every interpreted language in existence is written itself in C or C++.
 
4:05 AM
@SoulEnrapturer I dont know about it.
 
@LeviMorrison I like the top menu which drops down (documentation, community), but the sub-item font size should be increased
 
user50049
+1 for killing the dropdown. I don't think I've ever used it.
 
@LeviMorrison and contrast also increased, the text is hard to read
 
user50049
Verb tense is hard. Let's went shopping.
5
 
@shiplu.mokadd.im @Nile thanks both of you..I'll try both recommendations
 
4:06 AM
@timpost that would be a useful thing to include at the very beginning of something that someone with no e pertinence in computer programming reads to learn the language
 
I didn't recommend anything!!
 
@SoulEnrapturer Java is written in C and C++ See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)
 
@igorw Dang it; I thought I was largely done with type related issues :)
I spent a month on them.
 
@LeviMorrison they're only suggestions, ignore at will
 
And C++ is better C in early days. So you can call C is the mother of all languages.
 
4:07 AM
@Nile You sent me to a link where there were some stuff about learning php
 
I don't believe I did.
 
Assembly is not a language like that. Its just machine instruction with a readable way
 
If C had templates and anonymous functions I would probably never use C++.
 
@shiplu.mokadd.im but I think binary is the mother of all
 
@levimorrison sounds like too much text style nesting. Step 1) style text only on base elements. Steps 2 - ???) do everything else. Step ??? + 1) do class based text styling
 
4:09 AM
@SoulEnrapturer Binary is not a programming language
 
@SoulEnrapturer I certainly didn't.
It was @shiplu.mokadd.im
 
@Nile I m so dumb man
 
@dyelawn Unfortunately I didn't do the major groundwork for the site. I am tempted to start from scratch on styling for my local host.
 
@shiplu.mokadd.im but every thing whether instruction or whatever is translated into a machine language called binary
 
4:11 AM
As long as the HTML markup stays the same and the end result is that it looks essentially the same then I'll be fine.
 
See this image. Lots of things will be clear. !programming language hierarchy
 
By the way, Fortran isn't dead.
It's very much alive.
A lot of scientific applications use fortran and as such support for new hardware is added to take advantages of performance gains.
And fortran and C don't really share much.
 
Most mainstream languages are descendant of C
 
@shiplu.mokadd.im I know you are right ...but I will say what if a man had to program using a the lowest level machine instructions
 
@levimorrison I'm just trying to sound smart in a group over my head. But I get paid mostly as a designer and have spent wayyyy too much time on text style in the past
From what I see, the only major issue is the gutter-sizing. White space is awesome, especially in technical writing
 
4:15 AM
@dyelawn I could probably use your help. I've learned a lot about type recently but I'm still not very good with it.
 
@LeviMorrison yeah I was looking for an algorithm ,which I could only find implemented in assembly or fortran
@all are all type of symbols supported by php/html
what if I have superscripts/subscripts and complex equations
 
@levimorrison would be happy to help, send me a message via SO or email and let me know how to get involved
 
@SoulEnrapturer Use LaTeX
 
@LeviMorrison what if I want to show them in my webpage instead of using some latex supporting plugin
I know latex supports more than 75% of them
So it seems I 'll have to add images instead
 
Mathml
 
or mathjax, yea
 
@dyelawn whats Mathml?
Oh wow mathjax -thats a good option I presume
 
One of a few well-regarded XML specifications for mathematical notation
I believe it's the one used by Khan Academy
By using an XML specification rather than a js tool that simply alters the appearance of your items, you maintain portability of your mathe,atics
Others include OMDoc and XDF, but as far as I know, only MathML is documented by W3C
 
@dyelawn I m familiar with XML ,seems it will be easier thanks
 
@LeviMorrison thanks for the singleton info, seems it's slightly different than I though, I don't use plain singleton then, just static factory method
 
user50049
4:29 AM
@SoulEnrapturer Stack Exchange uses Mathjax on a few sites, I believe they've contributed money and code to it as well.
 
@TimPost well I'll be considering that too,coz what I wanna do might require both of them
 
hello friends
@SoulEnrapturer
 
user50049
@SoulEnrapturer I've been wanting to play with it too. It's just one of those things that I never find a reason to poke.
 
@Dhaval hi
 
@SoulEnrapturer i have some question about PHp website...
 
4:34 AM
Now I'm going to ask once more with hopes I don't get banned/ignored, and on the off chance that someone missed it, or I might explain better. Does anyone know of a library, PHP, C, C++, unwieldy Excel sheet, or otherwise, that runs a set of mathematical functions for any arrangement of appropriate values in a given data set to identify patterns?
 
@TimPost why?I think its just coz the tool is new
 
Or, a simple way to accomplish such a goal that I'm missing bc I'm lost in the matrix and can't see the obvious
 
@DhavalKhant Do ask bro?people here respond well
 
can i deploy my website on windows hosting ?
PHP Website
 
@DhavalKhant well havent tried that but I think yes
@dyelawn could you answer him?I don't know much you know
 
4:40 AM
Si
 
Just add a new live tile -> make live tile web server -> take live tile live -> bam, windows hosted php website
 
@enrey A minor improvement in my opinion. My advice: try to write unit tests using PHPUnit.
If something becomes hard to test, re-evaluate the design.
That improved my PHP programming quite a bit.
 
@levimorrison 100% line coverage in my app which has been refactored over last couple days
 
user50049
That tends to improve design conception across the board.
 
4:43 AM
@dyelawn Good work :) Are you happier with your project?
 
Happier with its portability, and the amount of time I spend cursing an inanimate object
Also the amount of time I get to think about new things that I can make the box do, bc I don't have to spend as much time worrying about what's gonna break
 
I definitely know how that feels.
I spent two years dealing with that fear and for good reason.
We have some tests now at work but largely the code is untestable/difficult-to-test and is in need of major refactoring.
 
@LeviMorrison, prototype.php.net buglet: the floating nav on function pages overlaps the content at resolutions under 1200 wide. Need a screencap/repro instructions?
 
@Charles No need: I'll kill that floating navigation page. I don't like it and it takes up a lot of space. Of course I'll have to find a new home for language selection, but it didn't really belong there in the first place.
 
@dyelawn a formula might be represented in different ways...does MathML provide multiple ways to display it
 
4:47 AM
It's actually influenced my latest left field idea quite a bit. help me out and tell me if Im onto something; not even necessarily with a library recommendation, but rather, with a "yes" or "no" as to whether it can be done.
@soulenrapturer no CSS does
 
Or any number of image editing libraries available in ohp
 
@LeviMorrison Cool. It's also slightly less obvious that the "tree" on the left menu is actually a tree. For example, inside error_reporting, the PHP Manual / Function Reference / Affecting ... / Error Handling / ... Functions sets being completely flat and on the same level is somewhat jarring.
On the live site, there are up arrows to the left of each title, which helps imply that it's a hierarchical nav.
 
@dyelawn I think you might take something that is an interface to some other language and use other languages libraries,if php supports interfaces(I don't know whether it does)
 
@Charles Which helps the hierarchy but not the aesthetics. Maybe I'll work on that tomorrow. It seems like an easy enough chunk to work on for now.
@Charles Also, it will be left-aligned and full width once I'm through with it.
 
4:52 AM
@LeviMorrison Yeah, wish I had a solution instead of just whining though. I will say that it looks a bit nicer than the first shot a while back...
 
@Charles Also, it's more like a vertical bread-crumb trail than a tree.
 
@levimorrison help me out with a yes or no. I've got a repeated data set of contributing factors and results. I want to make a decision about predictive modeling based on past results. Is it reasonable or attainable to search for patterns within programmable mathematical functions with a given set and an actual result?
I'd like a horizontal breadcrumb below the main navi, a la symfony, but with a more understandable breadcrumb structure (I.e. documentation, reference, and cookbook are not seperate things)
 
@LeviMorrison Yeah, it's just not apparent that there's a connection between the elements, that's all.
 
@dyelawn Not entirely sure what you are asking.
I think "yes" is correct.
 

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