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7:00 PM
 
user895378
@Tek Anything that isn't GoDaddy.
 
Tek
@rdlowrey haha, why's that? bad experience with them?
 
user895378
@tereško awesome
 
GoDaddy is notorious for being bad
 
@rdlowrey ipage
 
Tek
7:03 PM
I've heard of them, just not about their rep
 
user895378
GoDaddy supported an Orwellian 1984 version of the internet.
 
user895378
'nuff said.
 
@gosto no..where it is??
 
Tek
7:05 PM
@rdlowrey pretty sure they backed out of that, I read somewhere I think
 
user895378
@Tek I know they did. After massive consumer pressure.
 
@gosto i will have to pay for it
 
@james no,look down , u can download free
 
user895378
@Tek That's like telling your wife you're totally fine with cheating on her, then telling her you were just kidding. It doesn't matter, your wife won't forget.
 
Tek
lol good example
 
7:07 PM
@rdlowrey
 
@gosto i thought you were joking..thanks for help
 
@james ok
 
@rdlowrey @Tek And AFAIK they have yet to support or oppose CISPA for the same reason they pulled support of SOPA
 
user895378
CISPA support or no ... doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned. I won't ever use GoDaddy again (nevermind that their product offerings blow), and I'll tell anyone who listens to stay away from them as well.
 
Yeah, their name is forever tarnished
 
7:10 PM
yo hallo
 
Too bad the same thing can't be said for the CISPA supporters
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa yo yo
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa Hello
 
@gosto saying that file is temporary unavailable
if you have can you mail me please
 
@rlemon you online?
 
7:13 PM
@gosto this is what happens when you help people who can't do anything for themselves - you become their go-to problem solver
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa yo
 
Github's new icons are sexy
 
@orourkek :)
 
@rlemon why can't I select "Super Tanned Guy"?
 
7:14 PM
@orourkek if file isn't available wot can i do else??
 
@james search for it somewhere else?
 
user895378
 
user895378
Because I can't use a proxy server? Idiots.
 
@james the file is here codecanyon.net/item/simple-admin/109100 if it please you , u can buy it there , it cost 4 dollar
 
@rdlowrey This is what happens when people who don't know anything about technology make the laws governing technology. Scary
 
user895378
7:15 PM
@RepWhoringPeeHaa Today's checklist: [x] inspire internet meme
 
@orourkek thanks for advise
 
@rdlowrey That's what I thought... :)
Ow yeah and we block tpb :P
 
@gosto thanks but i have no money..:(
 
@rlemon And I cannot use backspace in the textfields
 
user895378
@RepWhoringPeeHaa Nice. Compare yours with the US:
 
user895378
7:20 PM
> In addition, the law includes an anti-wiretapping provision, restricting internetproviders from using invasive wiretapping technologies
 
Estonia is such a lovely country; piracy is legal among other things and, well, that about it.
 
@rdlowrey uhhhmmm we don't need those laws. We (our government) are the wiretapping masters
 
Does anyone here have experience with Aptana Studio 3? I can't figure out how to separate my project files from my actual code files, et cetera.
 
7:21 PM
No other country uses that many wiretaps relatively
The technology makes a great export product though
:-)
 
I hate unformatted texts, unless it is some spec
 
what the frell ?!
 
@gosto great man...thanks
 
7:25 PM
@RepWhoringPeeHaa I love the tag on that lol
 
@tereško You were talking about following LSP in PHP, which is part of SOLID, found an article that might interest you
 
Rob
Does anyone have much experience with google checkout - particularly xml parser error messages?
 
do you think that i need it ?
@EventHorizon , can you explain to men , WHT THE FUCK YOU HIGLIGHTED ME , to give that link ?
are you so stupid to imagine that i would know what LSP is without knowing about SLOID ?! @EventHorizon
 
@tereško Because you claimed LSP should be followed in PHP, which is not always true considering PHP is not a full OO language atm anyways.
@tereško It talks about the merits of using SOLID in PHP and why that may or may not be a good thing.
 
.. or did i insult you ego at some point , and you spent the last 30 minutes searching for some way yo reassure your superiority //
@EventHorizon , please ... name few "full OO languages" ..
 
7:29 PM
No not really, I was just reading about SOLID in PHP and figured you might want to read it.
 
@tereško calm down sweety
 
yuck! What happened to github?
 
New icons
 
More cowbell pls
 
7:31 PM
I hate it. Now get off my lawn! :)
 
user895378
Agree -- ugly
 
Your all idiots
since when are pixel perfect icons worse than foggy shits?
 
when there's too many of them
 
Your instead of You're lol
 
Those icons in the newsfeed only add noise and are very not descriptive of what they mean
 
7:34 PM
@Chris Why do you do that? What's the point in insulting the entire room for no reason?
 
I'm an ass. It's what I do.
 
@Chris now the child is talked , i knew the you are child since 2 weeks ago , and who educate you is also child
 
@Chris .. seems like you do not really use github
 
@tereško Why not?
 
user895378
@Chris Nobody said "infinitely scalable vector images are worse than raster images." The new layout/styling is just ugly.
 
7:35 PM
because not only icons have changed
 
Yea, I know.
I like the new layout. It get's better and better comparing the one a year ago
 
lol this is bad:
 
Ya'all don't like it, have fun using sourceforge or whatever the fuck the ugly one was
 
they must make chat rooms +18 , or we will get childs here
 
user895378
I dunno, maybe the new github looks really good in Internet Explorer and none of us can see it because we use real browsers :)
 
7:37 PM
@rdlowrey You do understand how lame that just was, right?
"lovely people".
 
user895378
@Chris Who? The IE dev team?
 
OH OH, change it to Imbeciles now!
 
you use IE?
did you fell or something?
 
user895378
noooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
i use IE7 every day
 
7:38 PM
I have to use IE every day
 
I can't uninstall it :(
 
I use IE to clean out my toilet, works every time.
 
<-- IE 6 every day
 
Chris is the most who have bad mouth here , better guys to dont talk to him or report him
 
And IE tester keeps crashing on 7 :(
 
7:39 PM
@DiLer , why hasn't your company dropped the support of 6th ?
 
we need a special bug in IE 6 that allows the company software to store data on the pc that got patched in later IE (6) versions
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa , you would be better off with windows in a VM
 
@tereško I know, I've got a VM with 8. It's just that the VM with 7 died at some point (blue screen :P)
 
well , IE9 has a very good IE7 emulation built in
 
7:42 PM
Every few months I log onto our site with IE <4 just to freak out our analytics people
 
user895378
@orourkek lol
 
@rdlowrey , thats evil
 
user895378
whip out the old AOL-branded version of IE
 
No styling loads whatsoever, and barely anything works, but it's great fun to see it on the traffic reports :P
 
user895378
drop a "Mosaic browser bomb" on the apache log files
 
7:43 PM
Netscape ftw.
 
Are you sure?? (honest question)
I tend to not take some piece of software's word when stuff gets emulated
 
yes , i am quite sure
 
only addition is a working console.log()
oh , and IE9 developer bar lets you to collapse it to just line a the bottom , where you can choose the rendering modes
 
nice. Will try it out tomorrow. Beats booting up VM's.
btw the atomfeed is nice at github. Or was it already there?
 
8:22 PM
So much fun:
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa because you were likely checking out the page while I was making changes to it. :P
 
@rlemon k :)
 
prolly stupid question, but, is different port considered as cross/different domain?
 
@webarto for "same origin policy"?
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa yes, that's right.
 
@webarto yup. cross domain
 
#fml
 
8:51 PM
protocol, host and port must be the same
 
thanks
 
7 messages moved to bin
 
my face expression when they told me to put user/pass in iframe URL... pokit.org/get/img/b91861a794f7b5dd107a22908b0c91e0.png
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa rlemon.github.com/lememe
no word wrap yet
i'm a little annoyed at how custom fonts never have the same height.
but i fixed the bugs I made :P
 
you made bugs? :-/
 
@Chris I like the cross-universe compatibility.
@rlemon nice
 
@RepWhoringPeeHaa Yup. It's definitely useful.
 
user895378
@rlemon Yes!
 
lol
 
user895378
Brogrammer Deluxe Meme
 
ill switch the name from too tanned guy to Brogrammer
 
Freedom! See you guys later
 
user895378
9:03 PM
adios
 
later @CharlesSprayberry
 
@Chris I feel like that could be a little more epic than it is
 
@ircmaxell Yea
Does this work in IE6 Mobile Blackberry Wi-Fi Commodore64 KitchenAid Caveman extended fingernails toejam 2.0?
Yep.
 
it's good, just not what it could be
 
I almost died.
mwhahahaha
 
9:07 PM
@media only print
{
    body * { display: none !important; }
    body:after { content: "Don't waste paper!"; }
}
 
People are wasting interwebs space
It's awesome!
cool repo name
 
Hey Anthony! How's everything going?
Question, anyone knows exactly how stream wrappers work?
Actually, never mind. I think I'm going to write my own dummy and see what it does...
 
OK, this is really annoying. Uploaded an image to github to use in a github wiki page. The link definitely does work, but including the link in the wiki results in a broken image.
I've done this before and it worked fine, as far as I can tell I did the exact same thing this time, but it balked.
 
@Christian that's a good idea
and yes, I've done a lot with stream wrappers
 
Hi any symfony 2 gurus around that can help with this : stackoverflow.com/q/10523848/1343560
 
9:19 PM
I get a rash when I hear guru/master/ninja... should be added to HTML9 specs...
 
hey, mates!
have you ever used http://phpactiverecord.org?
 
@ircmaxell so.. mongodb?
@ircmaxell i think it's just much easier to start a project with activeRecord
 
It's also very easy to take an arrow to the knee.
 
@IlyaDoroshin It's easier to bootstrap a project with AR. But it'll significantly hamper long term maintainability
@Chris I see what you did there
 
9:26 PM
@ircmaxell im totally agree with that
 
:D
 
@IlyaDoroshin Which is more important? Early writing? Or long term reading and flexibility?
 
@ircmaxell it depends on project..
 
@IlyaDoroshin Well, I would say that there are only two types of projects in this case. Proof-of-concept projects, and production projects.
POC == prototype == throw away when done, and build a real version of the application
 
@ircmaxell yeah, poc better to bootstrap with ac
 
9:28 PM
... this would be a nice place to start a rant on RoR
 
@IlyaDoroshin possibly. Not always
 
ror is awesome ^_^
 
then stick with it ..
 
@tereško that's my catch-phrase :-P
 
it's hard to move to ror, when everything's written with php
 
9:30 PM
@ircmaxell And the fun starts when the PoC turns production :)
 
and php5.3 is quite ok now
@NikiC yep :)
 
PoC - Piece of Crap?
 
@NikiC Which is why I said not always to that question
@GordonM Proof of Concept
 
@GordonM proof-of-concept .. pay attention to the context
 
When it ends up in production code I think my acronym is probably more apt :)
 
9:32 PM
which reminds me that it is over midnight and i tomorrow still have work
 
Never be afraid to throw code away. It's better to throw away early than to wish you had late...
 
.. typos
 
Code is not a dangered species you know, it's okay to let go.
 
Then again I have to deal with far more PoC code in live applications at work than I'd really want to have to :/
The joys of working for a head developer who knows a lot less about code quality than you do.
 
ehm, sorry, doesn't ruby have documentation?
 
9:36 PM
OK, another question. Been pondering over this one for some time...
Basically, at work, we're fed up keeping arrays of data such as ISO languages, country codes, airline codes etc...
and we thought "we're using this framework, why not add something to it to handle this?"
the question is, how do we keep this information?
we'd rather have each type of info stored in a separate file (we don't need airline codes in each project, for instance).
 
I use a database for that...
 
db and caching layer infront of it
 
on the other hand, it's a bit strange to have a whole class just to keep an array.
 
after all, it's data, not code or configuration...
 
True, but what's the point when we're loading this data as a bulk each time
 
9:39 PM
That's what caching is for
you manage it in the DB...
 
TBH I think it's a bit overkill to use a DB in place of a simple array...
I did think about it before, but I still can't see the advantage. We wanted something were we could overwrite a file and the info gets there, not having to run a patch query instead...
 
user895378
Tack on to earlier discussion: IMHO, If you have to substantially alter the Interfaces between a PoC and a Production version your PoC is a waste of time. While I wouldn't personally suggest using ActiveRecord in my PoC, if you can implement it without irrevocably changing your Interface declarations I don't see too much harm. The "concept" is about interfaces, and since interfaces don't specify constructors, you can ignore the strict DI constraints you would employ in production code.
 
$html = file_get_contents("https://www.union.ufl.edu"); produces this in the error logs: "HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error"; however, the site works fine in a browser. Any ideas?
 
How come in some browsers
When people click to download the file
it downloads the download.php file instead
really odd
 
@rdlowrey That's a bit narrowing on what a POC is. POC can be from the interface level. Or it can be technology level (can we even do that), or the UI level even
 
9:44 PM
@user890395 use CURL
 
I basically have a button which leads to a page called download.php
 
user895378
You're right. Since I deal with backend stuff all day I have a narrower view of the PoC.
 
howdy
 
and on there at the end, it sends you via header("location")
 
just checkin' out this chat room
 
9:45 PM
to the actual file
 
welcome!
 
thx ircmaxelll
 
But some guy said, dont know what browser, that he clicked it and it downloaded the download.php file
 
@ircmaxell , i would separate them as : 'interactive wireframe' => 'prototype' => 'proof of concept' => 'project'
 
can I rant about SOAP?
lol
 
9:46 PM
@netrox We know it's terrible, no need for rant.
 
I've moved to Rails but I miss some bits of PHP
 
@tereško I agree with the interactive wireframe. The POC seems more to me like a "prototype for technology instead of UI"
 
user895378
@Christian Either way, caching is the answer. If you don't want to store it in the DB (DB is my preference too) with memcached (or equivalent), you could always use APC (or equivalent) with a TTL of maybe 30 seconds. That way when you update the underlying data you'll only have a small window where stale information could be served ...
 
user895378
@netrox Rant about whatever you like.
 
SOAP is a really useful tool
 
9:48 PM
I was hired to do SOAP services and its' been nothing but hell and I cannot understand why it has to be so overly complicated for just THREE SIMPLE METHODS! I am like WTF?!?! why not REST?!?! So I asked the company that use SOAP if they offer REST and they don't.
 
it's completely misunderstood.
 
Thanks @tereško ... I don't get an error now, but I do get "Server Error in '/' Application." followed by "Object reference not set to an instance of an object." and some other debugging info on the page
 
and is a really well design^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Sorry, I couldn't do that all with a straight face
 
@Moyersy , like being able to say "php sucks" in php chat room , and people accepting it as a normal statement, instead of attacking you ?
 
user895378
@ircmaxell lol
 
9:49 PM
well I guess I do miss the fact that PHP people accept the warts
 
so I spent days trying to get SOAP working ... it's a chlalenge since there's little info on PHP and SOAP
tutorials were filmsy
not helpful enough, especially with complexType elements
 
@te
 
@netrox SOAP is an industry standard, whilst REST is more of a methodology. They're not quite the same thing.
 
and today, I finally got it figured
@GordonM, I know
I understand that
 
@Moyersy and rails people thinking that RoR was written my Jesus , tested by Buddha and spread by Mohamed
 
9:51 PM
In startup we are practice Continuous Delivery follow immediate by Continuous Revert To Old Code.
 
(or you can use some other fictional characters , if you like )
 
A big push and I think PHP could get right back on course
 
@rdlowrey Caching isn't really a huge concern. Storing this info is my major issue.
 
also... what's the status on PHP6? Will we ever have PHP6?
 
no
 
9:52 PM
@netrox , dead in the water
 
I remember being talked about it for years and I still don't see PHP6
 
:-X
 
@ircmaxell lulz
 
then what's gonna happen next?
 
@netrox , php5.3 was "php6 without utf8" (over-generalizing .. but that's the gest of it)
 
9:53 PM
I'm sure there will be a PHP 6 eventually, but it's not going to be the PHP 6 codebase that they started all those years back.
I really would love to see a PHP development roadmap at some point though.
 
user895378
Why bother working on PHP6? Who needs easy internationalization? People outside English-speaking North America don't use computers anyway? :)
 
yeah it'd be nice if they start from scratch while maintaining the familiar PHP syntax
 
You can only able call yourself senior programmer if you are spend more minute in meeting as in write code.
later
 
user895378
peace out
 
laterz
 
9:54 PM
Maybe they'd have had more luck if they'd gone UTF8 for PHP 6 instead of UTF 16
 
for sho yo'
 
later
 
I'm part gipsy so I predict that php will die out before it's 8.0 release.
Then again I've always wanted to be on titanic, so, WOO!
 
Languages never die out completely. You can still make quite a lucretave living as a COBOL programmer if you're willing to endure the pain of COBOL.
 
9:55 PM
@GordonM yes
But ICU for historical reasons uses UTF-16 :/
 
Hysterical raisons
 
js and ruby seems to be the languages to be in atm
according to github anyway
 
The same reason that you can still make a living as a COBOL programmer :)
 
I sorely hope PHP6 will get rid of all the inconsistencies in the older versions, better i18n, multibyte parsing & functions, and is by all means NOT backwards compatible at all... should I keep wishing?
 
since JS too has encoding issues , i am not too worried
 
9:57 PM
 
@sg3s "Dream until your dream comes true" - Dream on - Aerosmith
 
just curious... is there Javascript language for server side... like PHP? Maybe there is but I am not sure... its always JS on client side
 
node.js ?
 
@netrox Node.JS
 
node.js
JINX!
 
9:58 PM
wow
 
that was .. unexpected
 
I guess I'll check that out, thanks you all :)
 
@netrox , so , how was the flight , and is this your first time visiting this planet ?
 
:p
 
flight's kinda turbulent. but at least im here
 
9:59 PM
The world would be lost without philosophical bands.
 
@sg3s If it really came to that, you'd be begging for backwards compat.
 
"wiking up node.js"
 
Oh wait, it's screwed already. Aw snap.
 
@Christian , you're talking about Tool ?
 

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