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7:05 PM
A question for non-Americans - yes or no, do you know the phrase "10,000 foot view"
 
@Danack don't think so, though I could take a stab at what it means
 
Question for people who speak both American and English then - any idea of an equivalent that non-Americans would get?
 
@Danack "high-level overview"?
 
That's the gist, but way less emotive.....
It doesn't make people imagine themselves looking at something from afar.
 
7:13 PM
@Danack bird's eye view
 
@Danack We use helicopter view over here, but not sure if that's just us :P
 
@PaulCrovella Winner winner chicken dinner.
 
Probably crazy dutch as usual
 
ok, this is official, Uncle Bob (or to be more specific - his organization) is full of shit: 8thlight.com/blog/mike-knepper/2016/09/26/…
 
7:36 PM
@Andrea $x 💩 $x * 2
 
@DaveRandom 💲❎ 🐘 💲❎ ✖️ 2️⃣
 
@LeviMorrison is it normal that there's no mention of Hack in your RFC?
(sorry, maybe this question has already been asked)
 
If you grep TODO you'll see a note that applies (not just to Hack but other languages too)
 
Thank you guys ... @littlepootis , @Gordon , @tereško , @ArianaCarter-Weir
 
7:41 PM
@Shafizadeh when is the interview?
 
@Andrea omg how did I not know that the was an elephant unicode code point
 
@tereško two next days
 
"day after tomorrow"?
 
yes exactly
"two next days" is wrong?
 
@DaveRandom 🐘💩
 
7:43 PM
yeah
 
and what's the correction?
 
"the day after tomorrow" is both the correct English expression and a shockingly terrible movie
 
@Shafizadeh you count the "nearby dates" as: day before yesterday, yesterday, today, tomorrow and day after tomorrow
 
overmorrow?
 
@Andrea heh we say that :P
 
7:44 PM
supermorrow
 
@PeeHaa I think it's archaic or neglected in English now, but it's probably a cognate ^^
 
mine goes to supramorrow
 
@tereško I see, and how can I say day after (day after tomorrow) ?
I mean 3 next days
 
In 3 days
 
@PeeHaa yep: “From Middle English overmorwe, a compound of over + morwe ‎(“morrow”). Compare Dutch overmorgen, German übermorgen, Swedish övermorgon, Danish overmorgen, Norwegian overmorgen (also overimorgen).”
 
7:45 PM
@pmmaga ah .. got it
 
@Shafizadeh there is not special expression
 
:)
 
> übermorgen
I am going to start using this in my day-to-day conversation
 
english basically can do: one, two, many
 
interesting
 
7:46 PM
:P
there is also a special term: "fortnight"(you will see it in either old writing or fantasy books)
which is 14 days
 
@tereško with the occasional exception
 
so looks like mozilla is gonna stop trusting wosign/startcom - google doc report
 
@PaulCrovella that was a fun read
 
@NikiC @bwoebi There's this sort of conflict of single expressions vs multi-statement bodies. For multi-statement bodies you are increasingly more likely to want mutations to be visible outside of the function, whereas for single expressions you are more likely to not. Additionally for single expressions the type info just gets in the way, but for multi-statement bodies maybe not.
 
that thing where when you read about a big case from the prosecution's standpoint, it always sounds awesome
though here I don't think there's any dispute
 
7:49 PM
@tereško good to know :-)
 
@Andrea there are always exceptions in English
 
I think this signals to me to completely omit multi-body statements.
 
@Leigh ah .. thx for your attention
 
Use the long-form inline function syntax with use().
 
@LeviMorrison I think I disagree
 
7:49 PM
@tereško as in any language
@LeviMorrison but that's so loooong
 
@nikita2206 ow :-)
 
@Andrea any natural language
 
@Andrea But it's not "so long" comparatively if you use multi-statement bodies.
Additionally the explicitness actually helps you audit the longer bodies.
That's not helpful or necessary in single expressions.
 
@Andrea yeah, the discussions on mozilla.dev.security.policy leading up to it were pretty damning
 
@PaulCrovella oh yeah, but the document itself is just, smackdown
 
7:57 PM
> As for multi-statement & parameter types: definitely leave those for another RFC. Personally I don't see the point of multiple statements - why save a few characters on boilerplate when you're adding a bunch more in the function body? By that point you're often better off promoting it to a full (non-closure) function or class method anyway. ~Disgruntled__Goat
 
@LeviMorrison As said, I definitely can live with multi-stmts not being in initial RFC
 
8:49 PM
@LeviMorrison Not having multi-statement also means that minor refactorings (introduce a temporary) will also require you to change closure style
 
9:03 PM
@tereško That's......not a special term.
As in, it's commonly used.
 
@Danack really? Maybe I just have that impression since only instance where I have heard it was in the Lord of the Rings books
 
hmm
 
It's possibly it's used more in spoke english than written. But yeah, it's commonly used.
Also, holy shit i am up to 56 slides for the talk @Jimbo.
Current status: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
 
9:26 PM
Are you okay, @Danack?
 
@Tiffany I'm getting a panic attack in early, instead of on the day of PHPNW.
 
Also, is it possible to conditionally set error reporting on if the SMTP server is reachable (that is, an email with an error can be sent)?
Ask your GP for a temporary anti-anxiety
I used to get xanax for traveling, before I was prescribed it regularly.
it's funny, the act of flying doesn't bother me. I love flying. Terminals freak me out.
 
@Danack It's ok. You have 3 more days to panic :P
 
Taking those and sounding intelligent at a conference are probably not compatible.
 
@Danack depends entirely on the dosage and your tolerance level
benzos aren't like alcohol
 
9:30 PM
@Tiffany I luckily don't send many emails....but using a proper email API service like Amazon's one is usually more sane that trying to send them yourself. Also.....I have no idea what server you're hoping to get error reports from.
 
@Danack web server. I'm trying to fix an issue that occurred last week when a few servers shat the bed.
Both the web server and the SMTP were included in that bunch, but the web server came up before the SMTP server did
so a php error was reporting on the website because it couldn't send an email
 
theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/26/… - 4chan: making world smarter, one hoax at the time
 
Wow, the q&a on the spacex presentation was terrible
 
....which had my work email address in the fucking error message -_-
 
Where did they find such a stupid audience
 
9:34 PM
@NikiC it was probably mix of "journalists" and hipsters
 
@Tiffany I also don't think web applications should be sending emails directly. They should be put into a queue, which then get processed by a background worker, which can do things like check that the SMTP server is up, before sending the email.
 
hmmmm
that makes more sense than how it's currently set up.
No, I didn't write this code, for once. :D
I suppose I'll add that to my "goal to-do list" ... that I never get around to
I can't remember if it was you or someone else, @Danack, but thank you for referring me to github.com/PatrickLouys/no-framework-tutorial. I've been reading through it past few days.
 
10:05 PM
@Danack isn't that exactly what the mail transport agent does?
 
apparently not?
 
well this won't protect you if the queue goes down as the smtp did (and to mention it again: most smtp are a queue for messages).
 
 
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Wes
11:48 PM
all at the bar?
 

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